=== vick is now known as victorek [15:45] hello friends! I'm considering converting to UbuntuStudio. I'm not a very experienced Linux user, but I know some stuff. Tryiong AV Linux. Can I install the AV Linux programs in Ubuntu Studio? There are some interesting programs I would like to try... [18:39] Velho: there actually are no "avlinux" programs [18:39] Velho: the software in the audio production work flow are basically the same, and typically, the same versions [18:40] what i tell users is, the "best" distro for production will typically be the one that one is most familiar with.. if one is familiar with debian/ubuntu, then, ubuntustudio is a nice choice, since, it come with things pre-configured for audio produciton, and other production work [18:40] that being said, one can easily install main ubuntu, or *any* official flavor, and install the ubuntustudio applications.. ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu [18:41] AVlinux is built on a debian base now, and, i actually use it as well.. and also KXstudio [19:01] holstein, thank you for the lesson [19:02] So, What is pre-installed in any distro can be installed in any other distro? [19:02] Velho, all buntus use the same repos so ... yes [19:04] cfhowlett, for ubuntus, I can clearly undestand. But ubuntu is Debian based. Any other debian distro can use repository files from Ubuntu without COMPATIBILITY problems? [19:04] Velho, nope. [19:05] Velho, compile a debian file from source, sure. [19:07] cfhowlett, is it hard to compile a source? [19:07] !source | Velho [19:07] Velho: You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html [19:07] !compile [19:07] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first). Also read !checkinstall [19:08] Velho, IMHO no, but I'm an atypical user [19:09] so, Debian distros are not necessarily compatible, right? This issue is been hard for me to understand... if theres a site or a video talking about it, I would like to understand it [19:09] the sources will say what they support.. [19:09] !ppa [19:09] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [19:09] even ppa's, that *do* support ubuntu, are use at your own risk [19:10] when you compile yourself, you can taking that responsibility on as well.. and, TBH, you really shouldnt need to compile anything from scratch to do audio production [19:10] I just aknowlege the existence of PPA today. Still trying to truly understand what these are, and mean [19:11] Velho: if you and i made a new app, and wanted to get it to users using ubuntu, one "easy" way to do that would be to provide and maintain a PPA [19:11] falk, who makes KXstudio, for example, does this to port his software, and versions of software into the ubuntu base [19:12] hmm, so PPA ate like non-official repositories? [19:12] *are [19:12] Velho: basicallly.. sources that users can add "at their own risk" [19:12] cfhowlett, what do you mean by "atypical user"? [19:13] officially unsupported. you break it, you fix [19:13] do you guys use PPAs? [19:13] Velho, most users don't know or want to know the kind of things I like to play with. they just want their box to work. [19:14] Velho: if i want an application, i will try a PPA, knowing the risk, and accepting it [19:15] holstein, well, I guess that's what I do wenever using Windows, Facebook, Google, etc... ;) [19:17] its similar.. but, you can integrate this into the packageing system.. you can add the google ppa, and then, any package manager can search and install packages from that source [19:34] holstein, I'm understanding it a little bit more, thanks :) but not entirely yet. [19:35] Velho: i wouldnt worry too much about it, anyways.. you *really* dont need extra sources, or compiling from source to get started with audio production [19:35] Velho: you can also get quite a bit of work done using ubuntustudio "live".. so, i suggest trying that, and getting used to the main tools.. [19:37] holstein, so what do a windows user needs to know to make pro-audio in Linux? [19:37] Velho: i think just this.. that its *not* windows.. and its not intending to be windows [19:38] *all* the software you use in windows.. *any* of those vendors are welcome and encouraged to make any/all of that software available to you in linux [19:38] if they dont/wont, then, linux cant do anything to facilitate that.. its not preventing support for anything.. all of linux is open and anyone can easily support it [19:38] i say, take it patiently, and try starting from the same place one did in windows [19:38] holstein, I already played with the main tools. From what I understand, the concept is: everything is connected to and from Jack. I still need to study about the rt-kernel [19:39] Velho: no you dont [19:39] Velho: just use the kernel that ubuntustudio ships with [19:39] what if i need to record audio? [19:40] audio in real time I mean? [19:40] Velho: RT doesnt enable the ability to record audio [19:40] and, do you need to record in realtime? and what does that even mean? recording in realtime? [19:40] have you hit a "bottle neck"? with latency? [19:40] holstein, a false statement, I know... [19:40] realtime is good for *only* 2 things [19:41] either you need it, or you dont [19:41] realtime doesn't exist, one will always have a latency [19:41] its for realtime effects processing, and using software instruments.. otherwise, you dont need it [19:41] lowlatency is good enough for me, personally [19:41] sure. thats why i say "low latency" [19:41] and thats what im talking about.. lower latency [19:41] I'm a reall noob to Linux, but I know a lot about digital audio [19:42] now, for me, i need/want around 8ms latency at least for "realtime" audio work.. realtime effects and software synths [19:42] if i cant get 8ms, i dont need/want 12.. or 20.. or 40ms.. its can literally be *whatever* [19:42] 10ms latency is good enough for me. [19:42] i can't tell the difference with lower than that [19:42] holstein, do you get those 8ms latency with the "normal" ubuntustudio kernel? [19:42] you typically cant do 10ms latency on an internalu sound card.. so, the hardware will typically be the "botle neck" [19:42] bottle* [19:43] Velho: yes.. i can achieve 8ms latency with the included "stock" lowlatency kernel shipped with ubuntustudio.. with *many* audio devices [19:43] now, for 1.2 ms with my firewire device, i need and rt kernel .. but i dont *need* that funcionality [19:43] holstein, my jaw is dropping. You mean with the internal sound card?? [19:44] Velho: no.. i dont use internal sound cards for audio production [19:44] Velho: in any operating system [19:44] they are not made/intended for that.. so i dont bother [19:44] if i want to use one, i expect and accept the limitations of them [19:44] i have used one for a pianoteq appliance for example.. but, i didnt run jack on that device [19:45] all i wanted was a "player" for pianoteq.. [19:45] it was connected via USB to the keyboard, and pianoteq was running alsa only.. since i didint need pulse or jack for what i was doing [19:45] holstein: what keyboard do you use with pianoteq? [19:45] delt: anything midi, or midi usb [19:46] korg, roland, ....? [19:46] at that time, it was an old weighted alesisQS8.1 [19:46] my problem is that I have a Edirol FA-66 and there are no drivers for Linux :( I was considering using UbuntuStudio as a Guest on VirtualBox, and host it with my Windows 7, that has the edirol drivers [19:46] Velho: i read that works "out of the bos" [19:46] box* [19:46] Velho: *nothing* vitualized will work with audio production [19:46] Velho: you would be better, as i stated, to use the live iso [19:47] (modified) m-audio oxygen 88 here, quite happy with it. been playing piano/keyboard for about 2 years now. [19:47] holstein, I'm preparing a dual Boot laptop, with Windows 7 and UbuntuStudio [19:47] sure. but, why? [19:47] why not just tyr it live for a while.. [19:47] i also have a cheap yamaha 61 key as second controller, works quite well too [19:48] anyways.. the way i did it was, i had linux only on a laptop. for over a year [19:48] i learned to use the OS.. so i wasnt troubleshooting so many things [19:48] holstein, because I already tried it live, and I want to do serious stuff with that [19:48] Velho: sure.. there is not more or less "serious" stuff.. [19:48] Velho: you only have an installed version.. that is all [19:49] Velho: and, do install.. im not saying dont.. im just saying, you can learn a lot from the live iso [19:49] holstein, but is the live cd as fast as an installed version? I feel the installed version is always faster [19:49] sure. but, again.. is that a problem? is that the bottleneck? [19:50] holstein, but why play with the live cd when I can just install it? Plus, I can save all the configurations... [19:50] believe me, you'll want to install eventually... im just suggesting learning to set the edirol up with jack, for example, before running it natively [19:50] or installing it as a desktop and using it.. [19:51] holstein, from what I've searched, Edirol FA-66 is not supported to linux [19:51] i mean, you didnt get windows7, and emmediately, without having years of experience with windows, try and start doing audio production [19:51] holstein, hmm, great point! [19:51] Velho: edirol doesnt support linux, sure.. but is it the USB or the firewire one? [19:52] the firewire one is "full support" on the ffado stie [19:52] holstein, firewire. I've read somewere that several firewire devices have problems with linux [19:52] site* [19:52] and the usb one is "class compliant" [19:52] holstein, gonna check it right now! [19:52] what you are doing is, doing it like you do in windows [19:52] you are looking at the site, for drivers [19:53] in linux, the kernel *contains* the drivers.. basically [19:53] so, you set up jack to use the ffado "firewire" driver, and jack will "just work" with that device [19:53] you dont need to install anything extra.. [19:53] now, you also need a supported firewire chipset.. which can be a problem [19:54] holstein, thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction! I can't believe that I get full supported drovers for Linux <3 [19:55] well, YMMV [19:55] i have several firewire chipsets that im hoarding away [19:55] the typically more expensive "texas instruments" work great [19:56] holstein, let me get this straight: I can just plug the FA-66 and it will work , like the "plug and play" in windows? [19:57] Velho: if a driver supports it, the kernel should load it automatically [19:59] Sorry I have a several problem, I install lxde packages and all fine, only clementine have small fonts [19:59] Thank you my friends for all the teachings and support! I need a power nap now. Thank you again for all the help! I'm really exited to make music with ubuntu! <3 [20:01] I will try repair this with a command that I found on internet, I am not remember but are to dpi from comman line, But now can't enter to my session, only guest [20:02] I put my password and can not enter to my session, nor the UbuntuStudio or LXDE [20:03] I can not enter my session only guest [20:09] i've been trying out freebsd in a vm lately..... powerful OS for server applications [20:09] Velho: no.. in windows you'll need a driver, likely [20:10] i had tried it out several years ago but it wasn't great... trying it out again now, and i'm pretty impressed [20:10] Velho: in linux, the driver is "baked in" basically [20:10] Velho: but, it depends on the chipset, and other variables.. [20:10] wachin: i would go to tty,a nd see that your password is working [20:11] !tty [20:11] To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution [20:11] wachin: can you login in tty? [20:11] then, if you can, you'll want to get rid of your session errors.. i'll just remove ~/.config ..i'll just rename it, or move it [20:12] hi holstein [20:12] wachin: *dont* just run "random" commands from the internet.. "sudo" commands can break things.. [20:12] ups [20:12] thanks, I go [20:12] go where? tty? [20:13] (the command I remember only in part that have: session, dpi, sudo) [20:13] (or xsession) [20:13] wachin: if the system is not broken, then you dont need to address the system with a sudo command [20:14] OK [20:14] wachin: i suggest determining what is wrong *before* running commands [20:18] Hi again holstein, I could enter the session of tty6 and put my user and password, working fine [20:19] wachin: sure.. so, you have this as fact.. you *can* login to your users account.. you *can* use the guest account GUI.. [20:19] so, that means to me, the GUI, and main system are likely just fine.. and your user account is working fine [20:20] so, what would i do? start by renaming ~/.config ..reboot, and let that "respawn" fresh configs.. see if i can boot into my user as expected [20:20] my no, only can enter on tty6, this from this guest. But when session out, and go to enter to my default session can't enter [20:20] I will go to put ubuntustudio from live dvd to erase ./config [20:20] wachin: sure.. thats what im sahying [20:21] thanks for the help [20:21] wachin: you *can* login to your user. in tty.. so your user is fine [20:21] oh [20:21] wachin: you *can* login to the guest session GUI.. so the main system and gui are fine [20:21] wachin: the issue, as i see it, am implying, and saying, and suggesting a fix for, is in your users /home configs for the GUI [20:22] wachin: no need to reboot, just move your .config directory from tty6 where you logged in [20:22] I tried but I returned again, the password is OK, but I am rejected [20:22] wachin: thats what i say "rename" and not remove.. so, you can easily revert this suggested change *if* its not the "Fix" [20:22] ok [20:22] wachin: sure.. we tested the password in TTY [20:22] wachin: so, your users password works in TTY.. and you *can* login, in tty [20:22] yes, only can enter in tty6 [20:23] wachin: you still have a shell logged in on tty6? [20:23] so, from there, you can rename the users config. or a live iso.. [20:23] go back to tty6 and just type "mv .config .config_" [20:23] ohhhhhhhh [20:23] might need ~/.config .. [20:24] je je, [20:24] then try to login again in the graphic system [20:25] je je, I am avanced user to the terminal, but I will go to use you steps [20:25] ups [20:25] wachin: not sure what you are saying, but, in the terminal, you can rename, or move the configs for the users.. ~/.config specificially [20:25] is: "I am not advanced user to terminal commands" [20:26] just type in tty6: mv ~/.config ~/.config_ [20:28] yes I did it right this time [20:28] now try to login again in the graphic system. [20:28] whell I will go back [20:28] see you later [20:29] see you later holstein [20:29] you're using irc on the guest account now? [20:30] yes [20:30] good by [20:34] weird, software-center somehow got uninstalled from my desktop machine.... [20:34] apt-get'ing it now... [20:34] i know exactly where mine went ;) [20:35] yeah, a few packages mysteriously vanished on this box.... [20:36] my brand new hard disk better not be bad...... >:( === Pici is now known as Guest74903 === holstein_ is now known as holstein [22:26] hello [22:27] :)