[15:45] <Velho> hello friends! I'm considering converting to UbuntuStudio. I'm not a very experienced Linux user, but I know some stuff. Tryiong AV Linux. Can I install the AV Linux programs in Ubuntu Studio? There are some interesting programs I would like to try...
[18:39] <holstein> Velho: there actually are no "avlinux" programs
[18:39] <holstein> Velho: the software in the audio production work flow are basically the same, and typically, the same versions
[18:40] <holstein> what i tell users is, the "best" distro for production will typically be the one that one is most familiar with.. if one is familiar with debian/ubuntu, then, ubuntustudio is a nice choice, since, it come with things pre-configured for audio produciton, and other production work
[18:40] <holstein> that being said, one can easily install main ubuntu, or *any* official flavor, and install the ubuntustudio applications.. ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[18:41] <holstein> AVlinux is built on a debian base now, and, i actually use it as well.. and also KXstudio
[19:01] <Velho> holstein, thank you for the lesson
[19:02] <Velho> So, What is pre-installed in any distro can be installed in any other distro?
[19:02] <cfhowlett> Velho, all buntus use the same repos so ... yes
[19:04] <Velho> cfhowlett, for ubuntus, I can clearly undestand. But ubuntu is Debian based. Any other debian distro can use repository files from Ubuntu without COMPATIBILITY problems?
[19:04] <cfhowlett> Velho, nope.
[19:05] <cfhowlett> Velho, compile a debian file from source, sure.
[19:07] <Velho> cfhowlett, is it hard to compile a source?
[19:07] <cfhowlett> !source | Velho
[19:07] <cfhowlett> !compile
[19:08] <cfhowlett> Velho, IMHO no, but I'm an atypical user
[19:09] <Velho> so, Debian distros are not necessarily compatible, right? This issue is been hard for me to understand... if theres a site or a video talking about it, I would like to understand it
[19:09] <holstein> the sources will say what they support..
[19:09] <holstein> !ppa
[19:09] <holstein> even ppa's, that *do* support ubuntu, are use at your own risk
[19:10] <holstein> when you compile yourself, you can taking that responsibility on as well.. and, TBH, you really shouldnt need to compile anything from scratch to do audio production
[19:10] <Velho> I just aknowlege the existence of PPA today. Still trying to truly understand what these are, and mean
[19:11] <holstein> Velho: if you and i made a new app, and wanted to get it to users using ubuntu, one "easy" way to do that would be to provide and maintain a PPA
[19:11] <holstein> falk, who makes KXstudio, for example, does this to port his software, and versions of software into the ubuntu base
[19:12] <Velho> hmm, so PPA ate like non-official repositories?
[19:12] <Velho> *are
[19:12] <holstein> Velho: basicallly.. sources that users can add "at their own risk"
[19:12] <Velho> cfhowlett, what do you mean by "atypical user"?
[19:13] <cfhowlett> officially unsupported.  you break it, you fix
[19:13] <Velho> do you guys use PPAs?
[19:13] <cfhowlett> Velho, most users don't know or want to know the kind of things I like to play with. they just want their box to work.
[19:14] <holstein> Velho: if i want an application, i will try a PPA, knowing the risk, and accepting it
[19:15] <Velho> holstein, well, I guess that's what I do wenever using Windows, Facebook, Google, etc... ;)
[19:17] <holstein> its similar.. but, you can integrate this into the packageing system.. you can add the google ppa, and then, any package manager can search and install packages from that source
[19:34] <Velho> holstein, I'm understanding it a little bit more, thanks :) but not entirely yet.
[19:35] <holstein> Velho: i wouldnt worry too much about it, anyways.. you *really* dont need extra sources, or compiling from source to get started with audio production
[19:35] <holstein> Velho: you can also get quite a bit of work done using ubuntustudio "live".. so, i suggest trying that, and getting used to the main tools..
[19:37] <Velho> holstein, so what do a windows user needs to know to make pro-audio in Linux?
[19:37] <holstein> Velho: i think just this.. that its *not* windows.. and its not intending to be windows
[19:38] <holstein> *all* the software you use in windows.. *any* of those vendors are welcome and encouraged to make any/all of that software available to you in linux
[19:38] <holstein> if they dont/wont, then, linux cant do anything to facilitate that.. its not preventing support for anything.. all of linux is open and anyone can easily support it
[19:38] <holstein> i say, take it patiently, and try starting from the same place one did in windows
[19:38] <Velho> holstein, I already played with the main tools. From what I understand, the concept is: everything is connected to and from Jack.  I still need to study about the rt-kernel
[19:39] <holstein> Velho: no you dont
[19:39] <holstein> Velho: just use the kernel that ubuntustudio ships with
[19:39] <Velho> what if i need to record audio?
[19:40] <Velho> audio in real time I mean?
[19:40] <holstein> Velho: RT doesnt enable the ability to record audio
[19:40] <holstein> and, do you need to record in realtime? and what does that even mean? recording in realtime?
[19:40] <holstein> have you hit a "bottle neck"? with latency?
[19:40] <Velho> holstein, a false statement, I know...
[19:40] <holstein> realtime is good for *only* 2 things
[19:41] <holstein> either you need it, or you dont
[19:41] <Velho> realtime doesn't exist, one will always have a latency
[19:41] <holstein> its for realtime effects processing, and using software instruments.. otherwise, you dont need it
[19:41] <delt> lowlatency is good enough for me, personally
[19:41] <holstein> sure. thats why i say "low latency"
[19:41] <holstein> and thats what im talking about.. lower latency
[19:41] <Velho> I'm a reall noob to Linux, but I know a lot about digital audio
[19:42] <holstein> now, for me, i need/want around 8ms latency at least for "realtime" audio work.. realtime effects and software synths
[19:42] <holstein> if i cant get 8ms, i dont need/want 12.. or 20.. or 40ms.. its can literally be *whatever*
[19:42] <delt> 10ms latency is good enough for me.
[19:42] <delt> i can't tell the difference with lower than that
[19:42] <Velho> holstein, do you get those 8ms latency with the "normal" ubuntustudio kernel?
[19:42] <holstein> you typically cant do 10ms latency on an internalu sound card.. so, the hardware will typically be the "botle neck"
[19:42] <holstein> bottle*
[19:43] <holstein> Velho: yes.. i can achieve 8ms latency with the included "stock" lowlatency kernel shipped with ubuntustudio.. with *many* audio devices
[19:43] <holstein> now, for 1.2 ms with my firewire device, i need and rt kernel .. but i dont *need* that funcionality
[19:43] <Velho> holstein, my jaw is dropping. You mean with the internal sound card??
[19:44] <holstein> Velho: no.. i dont use internal sound cards for audio production
[19:44] <holstein> Velho: in any operating system
[19:44] <holstein> they are not made/intended for that.. so i dont bother
[19:44] <holstein> if i want to use one, i expect and accept the limitations of them
[19:44] <holstein> i have used one for a pianoteq appliance for example.. but, i didnt run jack on that device
[19:45] <holstein> all i wanted was a "player" for pianoteq..
[19:45] <holstein> it was connected via USB to the keyboard, and pianoteq was running alsa only.. since i didint need pulse or jack for what i was doing
[19:45] <delt> holstein: what keyboard do you use with pianoteq?
[19:45] <holstein> delt: anything midi, or midi usb
[19:46] <delt> korg, roland, ....?
[19:46] <holstein> at that time, it was an old weighted alesisQS8.1
[19:46] <Velho> my problem is that I have a Edirol FA-66 and there are no drivers for Linux :(   I was considering using UbuntuStudio as a Guest on VirtualBox, and host it with my Windows 7, that has the edirol drivers
[19:46] <holstein> Velho: i read that works "out of the bos"
[19:46] <holstein> box*
[19:46] <holstein> Velho: *nothing* vitualized will work with audio production
[19:46] <holstein> Velho: you would be better, as i stated, to use the live iso
[19:47] <delt> (modified) m-audio oxygen 88 here, quite happy with it. been playing piano/keyboard for about 2 years now.
[19:47] <Velho> holstein, I'm preparing a dual Boot laptop, with Windows 7 and UbuntuStudio
[19:47] <holstein> sure. but, why?
[19:47] <holstein> why not just tyr it live for a while..
[19:47] <delt> i also have a cheap yamaha 61 key as second controller, works quite well too
[19:48] <holstein> anyways.. the way i did it was, i had linux only on a laptop. for over a year
[19:48] <holstein> i learned to use the OS.. so i wasnt troubleshooting so many things
[19:48] <Velho> holstein, because I already tried it live, and I want to do serious stuff with that
[19:48] <holstein> Velho: sure.. there is not more or less "serious" stuff..
[19:48] <holstein> Velho: you only have an installed version.. that is all
[19:49] <holstein> Velho: and, do install.. im not saying dont.. im just saying, you can learn a lot from the live iso
[19:49] <Velho> holstein, but is the live cd as fast as an installed version? I feel the installed version is always faster
[19:49] <holstein> sure. but, again.. is that a problem? is that the bottleneck?
[19:50] <Velho> holstein, but why play with the live cd when I can just install it? Plus, I can save all the configurations...
[19:50] <holstein> believe me, you'll want to install eventually... im just suggesting learning to set the edirol up with jack, for example, before running it natively
[19:50] <holstein> or installing it as a desktop and using it..
[19:51] <Velho> holstein, from what I've searched, Edirol FA-66 is not supported to linux
[19:51] <holstein> i mean, you didnt get windows7, and emmediately, without having years of experience with windows, try and start doing audio production
[19:51] <Velho> holstein, hmm, great point!
[19:51] <holstein> Velho: edirol doesnt support linux, sure.. but is it the USB or the firewire one?
[19:52] <holstein> the firewire one is "full support" on the ffado stie
[19:52] <Velho> holstein,  firewire. I've read somewere that several firewire devices have problems with linux
[19:52] <holstein> site*
[19:52] <holstein> and the usb one is "class compliant"
[19:52] <Velho> holstein, gonna check it right now!
[19:52] <holstein> what you are doing is, doing it like you do in windows
[19:52] <holstein> you are looking at the site, for drivers
[19:53] <holstein> in linux, the kernel *contains* the drivers.. basically
[19:53] <holstein> so, you set up jack to use the ffado "firewire" driver, and jack will "just work" with that device
[19:53] <holstein> you dont need to install anything extra..
[19:53] <holstein> now, you also need a supported firewire chipset.. which can be a problem
[19:54] <Velho> holstein, thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction! I can't believe that I get full supported drovers for Linux <3
[19:55] <holstein> well, YMMV
[19:55] <holstein> i have several firewire chipsets that im hoarding away
[19:55] <holstein> the typically more expensive "texas instruments" work great
[19:56] <Velho> holstein, let me get this straight: I can just plug the FA-66 and it will work , like the "plug and play" in windows?
[19:57] <delt> Velho: if a driver supports it, the kernel should load it automatically
[19:59] <wachin> Sorry I have a several problem, I install lxde packages and all fine, only clementine have small fonts
[19:59] <Velho> Thank you my friends for all the teachings and support! I need a power nap now. Thank you again for all the help! I'm really exited to make music with ubuntu! <3
[20:01] <wachin> I will try repair this with a command that I  found on internet, I am not remember but are to dpi from comman line, But now can't enter to my session, only guest
[20:02] <wachin> I put my password and can not enter to my session, nor the UbuntuStudio or LXDE
[20:03] <wachin> I can not enter my session only guest
[20:09] <delt> i've been trying out freebsd in a vm lately..... powerful OS for server applications
[20:09] <holstein> Velho: no.. in windows you'll need a driver, likely
[20:10] <delt> i had tried it out several years ago but it wasn't great... trying it out again now, and i'm pretty impressed
[20:10] <holstein> Velho: in linux, the driver is "baked in" basically
[20:10] <holstein> Velho: but, it depends on the chipset, and other variables..
[20:10] <holstein> wachin: i would go to tty,a nd see that your password is working
[20:11] <holstein> !tty
[20:11] <holstein> wachin: can you login in tty?
[20:11] <holstein> then, if you can, you'll want to get rid of your session errors.. i'll just remove ~/.config ..i'll just rename it, or move it
[20:12] <wachin> hi holstein
[20:12] <holstein> wachin: *dont* just run "random" commands from the internet.. "sudo" commands can break things..
[20:12] <wachin> ups
[20:12] <wachin> thanks, I go
[20:12] <holstein> go where? tty?
[20:13] <wachin> (the command I remember only in part that have: session, dpi, sudo)
[20:13] <wachin> (or xsession)
[20:13] <holstein> wachin: if the system is not broken, then you dont need to address the system with a sudo command
[20:14] <wachin> OK
[20:14] <holstein> wachin: i suggest determining what is wrong *before* running commands
[20:18] <wachin> Hi again holstein, I could enter the session of tty6 and put my user and password, working fine
[20:19] <holstein> wachin: sure.. so, you have this as fact.. you *can* login to your users account.. you *can* use the guest account GUI..
[20:19] <holstein> so, that means to me, the GUI, and main system are likely just fine.. and your user account is working fine
[20:20] <holstein> so, what would i do? start by renaming ~/.config ..reboot, and let that "respawn" fresh configs.. see if i can boot into my user as expected
[20:20] <wachin> my no, only can enter on tty6, this from this guest. But when session out, and go to enter to my default session can't enter
[20:20] <wachin> I will go to put ubuntustudio from live dvd to erase ./config
[20:20] <holstein> wachin: sure.. thats what im sahying
[20:21] <wachin> thanks for the help
[20:21] <holstein> wachin: you *can* login to your user. in tty.. so your user is fine
[20:21] <wachin> oh
[20:21] <holstein> wachin: you *can* login to the guest session GUI.. so the main system and gui are fine
[20:21] <holstein> wachin: the issue, as i see it, am implying, and saying, and suggesting a fix for, is in your users /home configs for the GUI
[20:22] <delt> wachin: no need to reboot, just move your .config directory from tty6 where you logged in
[20:22] <wachin> I tried but I returned again, the password is OK, but I am rejected
[20:22] <holstein> wachin: thats what i say "rename" and not remove.. so, you can easily revert this suggested change *if* its not the "Fix"
[20:22] <wachin> ok
[20:22] <holstein> wachin: sure.. we tested the password in TTY
[20:22] <holstein> wachin: so, your users password works in TTY.. and you *can* login, in tty
[20:22] <wachin> yes, only can enter in tty6
[20:23] <delt> wachin: you still have a shell logged in on tty6?
[20:23] <holstein> so, from there, you can rename the users config. or a live iso..
[20:23] <delt> go back to tty6 and just type "mv .config .config_"
[20:23] <wachin> ohhhhhhhh
[20:23] <holstein> might need ~/.config ..
[20:24] <wachin>  je je,
[20:24] <delt> then try to login again in the graphic system
[20:25] <wachin> je je, I am avanced user to the terminal, but I will go to use you steps
[20:25] <wachin> ups
[20:25] <holstein> wachin: not sure what you are saying, but, in the terminal, you can rename, or move the configs for the users.. ~/.config specificially
[20:25] <wachin> is: "I am not advanced user to terminal commands"
[20:26] <delt> just type in tty6: mv ~/.config ~/.config_
[20:28] <wachin> yes I did it right this time
[20:28] <delt> now try to login again in the graphic system.
[20:28] <wachin> whell I will go back
[20:28] <wachin> see you later
[20:29] <wachin> see you later holstein
[20:29] <delt> you're using irc on the guest account now?
[20:30] <wachin> yes
[20:30] <wachin> good by
[20:34] <delt> weird, software-center somehow got uninstalled from my desktop machine....
[20:34] <delt> apt-get'ing it now...
[20:34] <holstein> i know exactly where mine went ;)
[20:35] <delt> yeah, a few packages mysteriously vanished on this box....
[20:36] <delt> my brand new hard disk better not be bad...... >:(
[22:26] <studio-user626> hello
[22:27] <studio-user626> :)