[08:12] <dholbach> good morning
[13:24] <akiva-thinkpad> will there be a community session today?
[13:40] <dholbach> yes :9
[15:47] <Nothing_Much> whoa, I can actually be here today!
[15:50] <wolfgang> Hi this is trial
[15:50] <Nothing_Much> Hey wolfgang
[15:51] <Nothing_Much> session doesn't start for another 8:55
[15:55] <wolfgang> why nobody asks
[15:56] <dholbach> welcome everyone
[15:56] <dholbach> we're going to start in about 4-5 minutes
[15:57] <Nothing_Much> woo!
[15:58] <Zephyros> Hello
[15:59] <wolfgang> hi
[16:01] <popey> yo!
[16:02] <balloons> yo-yo?
[16:02] <dholbach> let us know if you have any questions
[16:02] <dholbach> please prefix them with QUESTION
[16:02] <dholbach> so we can more easily pick them up
[16:03] <jgray> QUESTION: Are there any developments regarding the Ubuntu Phone platform?
[16:04] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Will the Ubuntu server platform be rolled into the convergence strategy?
[16:06] <dpm> jgray, Knightmare, we'll get to your questions soon, thanks!
[16:09] <hellowordl> QUESTION: What have you learned from Jolla?
[16:10] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Are any of Ubuntu's mobile partners under any obligation to feed back any improvements they make back to the core project?
[16:10] <wolfgang> QUESTION: What did happened to Ubuntu Edge Project
[16:10] <dpm> wow, lots of good questions, you guys keep us busy!
[16:10] <boghison> QUESTION: Since RTM is finished, will the desktop get a little more attention?
[16:10] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: How is Babby Formed? How Girl Get Pregnant?
[16:11]  * akiva-thinkpad hides
[16:11] <Nothing_Much> akiva-thinkpad: I think this place only allows sfw questions >.>
[16:11]  * akiva-thinkpad apologizes
[16:11] <jgray> Thanks!
[16:11] <Nothing_Much> QUESTION: Will the Ubuntu Edge case be used by any other company who wants to make an Ubuntu Phone?
[16:12] <fdassdff> QUESTION: is there any possibility of getting Dekko in a PPA for use on the desktop, like the rest of the core apps?  I'd love to test it.
[16:12] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Is Ubuntu TV still a thing?
[16:13] <akiva-thinkpad> Knightmare, yes; backburner
[16:13] <taiebot> Question: community testing. Is there any way we can leverage the community testing to enable faster stable release? if i understand there is autopilot + QA which does manual testing. All the vivid devel-images are very stable but they do not get any of the QA work as it is only focused on rtm
[16:15] <balloons> an excellent question taiebot :-)
[16:15] <mhall119> balloons loves questions about community testing :)
[16:16] <taiebot> balloons: i can not code but i can test
[16:16] <balloons> taiebot, I would love to see a greater leveraging of the community's willingness to flash bleeding edge images. At the moment the best way to help out is to just do it and report bugs and issues as you find them. I'm hoping in the future as the QA team solidifies there process we as a community can hook into it more
[16:16]  * mhall119 learned that "Jolla" is finnish for a small boat
[16:16] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Are there any pressing deadlines that need to be met, that could use some shoring up by community members?
[16:17] <balloons> taiebot, we had a discussion about this briefly at the last UOS
[16:17] <wxlTab2> QUESTION: are any ports active? I'd love to test on my galaxy tab but the info on it is super outdated to the point that relevant files are (were) hosted on Ubuntu one.
[16:17] <akiva-thinkpad> mhall119, did you know that Portage is a Canadian term for moving a canoe across land?
[16:18] <mhall119> akiva-thinkpad: I do now :)
[16:18] <wxlTab2> there's something to learn from BlackBerry: how to fail!
[16:18] <akiva-thinkpad> wxlTab2, ;_;
[16:18] <Nothing_Much> it's a simple process to fail
[16:19] <akiva-thinkpad> If Blackberry dropped Rim and went with Linux, I think it would have attracted so much more interest.
[16:19] <taiebot> balloons: so much bug triaging when we all find the same bug
[16:19] <Nothing_Much> blackberry didn't update or move away from nostalgia people
[16:19] <Nothing_Much> akiva-thinkpad: oh oh! if BlackBerry adopted Ubuntu Phone, that'd be amazing!
[16:19] <fdassdff> QUESTION: technically I guess this isn't a question, but I came in late... did you guys mention the Padwan service yet?
[16:19] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, I know!
[16:19] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, could they do that; don't they use qml?
[16:19] <balloons> taiebot, yes indeed. It would be better to have the test results and test in a more accessible place. This is really for lack of tools not for any other reason
[16:20] <Nothing_Much> well akiva-thinkpad, blackberry uses some weird OS I've never heard of for their OS
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> RIM I think
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> "Research in Motion"
[16:20] <Nothing_Much> research in motion was BB's former name
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> they apparently have claimed that they perfected the mobile operating system.
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmm
[16:20] <Nothing_Much> plus they continued development for Adobe Flash on mobile... *vomits*
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> wierd
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[16:21] <Nothing_Much> oh it's called QNX
[16:21] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, there was a fairly long uos session on that...
[16:21] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, funny enough; we all had Homestar Runner in mind when we thought of sites that still use flash.
[16:21] <Nothing_Much> yeah, i had to miss that flash thing because I was training at my job
[16:21] <Nothing_Much> yeah..
[16:21] <Nothing_Much> I can't wait for the day Flash dies a horrible death
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> but there's other sites that use Flash, but it's strictly for streaming video
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> that's pretty much it
[16:22] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, I disagree; I like my browser crashing.
[16:22] <akiva-thinkpad> Its fun.
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> if you use IE, then yeah, it can be fun crashing
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> since Fx and Chromium only have the plugin crash :P
[16:24] <taiebot> Question: Will app be able to open under 1 sec. For the moment it is hovering between 4 to 5 sec. Is there anything in the pipeline hardware or software which will improve app startup time?
[16:24] <rael_gc> QUESTION: I got surprised how simple and nice upstart is. Since systemd is so controversial, even on Debian... any chance Ubuntu keep upstart, at least, in the next releases?
[16:25] <Nothing_Much> systemd really rustles old people's jimmies
[16:25] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Could your phones ever be made to use Coreboot?
[16:25] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, I heard Debian forked :o
[16:25] <mhall119> rael_gc: it will be better for us to switch to systemd as soon as we safely can, otherwise it's just more work for us
[16:26] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Can the Ubuntu SDK work on 15.04/unity8 yet?
[16:26] <dholbach> on vivid that's the unity8-desktop-session-mir package
[16:27] <Nothing_Much> akiva-thinkpad: by a bunch of old hippies that dislike change
[16:27] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, mmmm maybe. Its a bit more sophisticated. SystemD is being given a lot of control by the system
[16:28] <Nothing_Much> that's funny considering how many people WANT control over their system
[16:28] <Nothing_Much> *systemd
[16:28] <akiva-thinkpad> I think people fear that, and would rather that programs be smaller, and more focussed.
[16:28] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, well its either one big umbrella app, or many small targetted apps.
[16:28] <akiva-thinkpad> afaik
[16:28]  * akiva-thinkpad is not an expert
[16:29] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:29] <Nothing_Much> the shell, yes
[16:29] <Nothing_Much> aww
[16:29] <wxlTab2> QUESTION: python support in the SDK? pretty please?
[16:30] <akiva-thinkpad> wxlTab2, its there, sort of
[16:30] <wxlTab2> explain? I couldn't find it
[16:30] <akiva-thinkpad> wxlTab2, the tests are written in python, and there is syntax highlighting
[16:30] <akiva-thinkpad> no autocomplete though afaik
[16:31] <akiva-thinkpad> wxlTab2, in the core apps; there is a folder called "tests"
[16:31] <akiva-thinkpad> you cd into that, and run autopilot3
[16:31] <akiva-thinkpad> its also built with the project
[16:31] <akiva-thinkpad> the project templates also contain tests
[16:32] <justcarakas> Is somebody workin on porting the spotify QML client to ubuntu touch ?
[16:32] <akiva-thinkpad> I'm working on a plugin that will allow you to run the tests from the sdk.
[16:32] <wxlTab2> why are the two languages suggested c++ and js?
[16:32] <akiva-thinkpad> wxlTab2, suggested where?
[16:32] <wxlTab2> oh developer.Ubuntu.com or wherever it is
[16:32] <akiva-thinkpad> Javascript is similar to QML
[16:33] <akiva-thinkpad> maybe that is what it means
[16:33] <akiva-thinkpad> c++ is qt so
[16:33] <wxlTab2> maybe. I honestly haven't dug deeper
[16:33] <akiva-thinkpad> wxlTab2, hang out in #ubuntu-app-dev
[16:34] <akiva-thinkpad> wxlTab2, and if you are a redditor, subscribe to r/ubuntuappdev
[16:34] <wxlTab2> already there, idling
[16:34] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[16:35] <ahayzen> justcarakas, there is a spotify QML client?
[16:35] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[16:35] <taiebot> QUESTION: will qt 5.4 make it in 15.04?
[16:37] <akiva-thinkpad> taiebot, 5.4 is out?
[16:37] <akiva-thinkpad> Whats the changelog?
[16:37] <taiebot> akiva-thinkpad its in RC at the moment
[16:38] <wxlTab2> well popey point anyone you know that has this deep knowledge at me and I'll do everything I can! I'm patient :-)
[16:38] <taiebot> akiva-thinkpad http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2014/11/27/qt-5-4-release-candidate-available/
[16:39] <wxlTab2> unfortunately I already tried to ping the maintainer :-(
[16:40] <dpm> http://wiki.linuxpadawan.net/AboutUs
[16:42] <mhall119> ahayzen: cutespotify
[16:42] <mhall119> I think Elleo ported it from Meego to Ubuntu
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: How does DPM pronounce Postgresql? It sounds Spanish/Portuguese.
[16:44] <ahayzen> mhall119, ooo interesting
[16:45] <mhall119> akiva-thinkpad: it's probably Catalan :)
[16:45] <balloons> ^^ :-)
[16:45] <akiva-thinkpad> just my luck :P
[16:45] <balloons> akiva-thinkpad, just roll all of the R's.
[16:45] <balloons> hehe
[16:45] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[16:47]  * akiva-thinkpad doesn't know either.
[16:47] <akiva-thinkpad> Coreboot boots pretty insanely fast.
[16:48] <akiva-thinkpad> yes popey is on the ball
[16:49] <mhall119> I know running QtCreator on Mir/Unity8 is an early target
[16:49] <mhall119> zbenjamin might know more about that
[16:51] <akiva-thinkpad> WHAT?
[16:51] <akiva-thinkpad> They put a java vm in a click package?
[16:51] <akiva-thinkpad> rofl
[16:52] <mhall119> just because you *can*, doesn't mean you *should* :)
[16:52] <akiva-thinkpad> Lol
[16:52] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Next Canonical Event?
[16:52] <dholbach> popey, dekko daily build: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/+recipe/dekko-daily
[16:52] <mhall119> QUESTION: what happened to popey's cat? It's not an Ubuntu Hangout without popey's cat :(
[16:53] <dholbach> mhall119, the cat was there in the beginning :)
[16:53] <justcarakas> QUESTION: can you also use and external sqlite database ?
[16:53] <mhall119> ah, I was listening but not watching, carry on
[16:53] <mhall119> justcarakas: what do you mean by "external" here?
[16:53] <zbenjamin> mhall119:  i know nothing about running QtC on Mir/Unity8 :/
[16:53] <old_guest> QUESTION: if I buy an ubuntu phone, which will be the advantages of using Ubuntu on computer (unity7). There will be some type of interaction between the two? Or we just have to wait for unity8 for desktop?  Thank's
[16:54] <mhall119> zbenjamin might *not* know more about that
[16:54] <taiebot> Question: Will there be a way to create apps via bookmarking a website?
[16:54] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Why does qtcreator tell me that it can find no valid kits for creating the Go Applications? Where can I grab these kits from?
[16:54] <justcarakas> mhall119 a file provided in my click package
[16:54] <mhall119> taiebot: essentially yes, there's a template in the Ubuntu SDK where you just give it the URL and it'll build a webapp Click package
[16:54] <ahayzen> justcarakas, localstorage uses sqlite
[16:55] <mhall119> justcarakas: yes, and as ahayzen mentioned the build-in Qt/QML LocalStorage already uses one
[16:55] <justcarakas> but can you populate the local storage with a sqlite db file ?
[16:55] <mhall119> U1DB technically uses sqlite too, but it abstracts it behind a schema-less interface
[16:55] <taiebot> mhall119: that is quite a pain. I should be able to set as an app any website
[16:56] <mhall119> justcarakas: I believe you can use the same sqlite db file
[16:56] <justcarakas> ok thx :) mhall119
[16:56] <taiebot> mhall119 may be a scope could do this but i am not sure
[16:56] <mhall119> taiebot: there has been discussion about making an easy way to do that, if you're interested in building such a thing go for it
[16:56] <taiebot> popey: yes!!! please
[16:57] <mhall119> yeah, webapps can be a bit more complicated than just a bookmark, but you can start with that
[16:57] <dholbach> zbenjamin, do you know about go kits?
[16:58] <mhall119> good show guys!
[16:59] <taiebot> Thank you for your answers!!
[16:59] <mhall119> always make jose happy :)
[16:59] <popey> that was awesome
[16:59] <dpm> o/
[16:59] <Knightmare> Bye
[16:59] <dholbach> thanks everyone! :-)
[16:59] <popey> so many good questions
[16:59] <ahayzen> thanks popey dpm dholbach :)
[16:59] <dpm> indeed, really good questions today
[16:59] <wolfgang> sorry I missed it  because of some homeworks
[17:00] <wolfgang> see you next meeting
[17:03] <dholbach> fdassdff, I'm working on the dekko daily build - https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/+recipe/dekko-daily has the details
[17:03] <dholbach> some things still need to be fixed there
[17:03] <fdassdff> Awesome, thank you!
[17:04] <dholbach> once it's done I'll transfer it over to the dekko team so they can take care ofit
[17:04] <dholbach> of it
[17:20] <bprs> QUESTION: When will netatalk be upgraded from 2.x to 3.x?
[17:22] <mhall119> bprs: the live broadcast is over, if you have questions you can ask them in another channel (#ubuntu-touch for phone, #ubuntu-app-dev for SDK, #ubuntu-desktop for desktop and #ubuntu-devel for anything core)
[23:33] <AndrMatr> Are people on here?