[03:16] hi all..the night owls up? [03:19] twit twoo [03:20] hey [03:20] might watch the captive now [03:20] also anyone ever used rosetta stone? [03:21] no but when my boss was on who wants to be a millionaire in ireland that was the focus of the question that stumped him [03:21] oh [03:22] i was one of his phone a friends but he'd already used that option by then. [03:22] how far did he get [03:24] around 16k iirc [03:38] net die? [03:40] :D [03:41] installing rosetta now [03:41] wonder how useful it is [03:41] i just have a feeling learning a language using a cpomputer app is gonna be hard [04:00] wow american man lets himself get swallowed whole by anacaonda so he can film inside it [04:00] might watch that on discovery chan [04:00] Steve Irwin 2.0 [04:10] sounds crazy to me;p [04:10] sodding windows8 [04:10] cursor just suddenly sticks..for no reason [04:11] i'd consider hardware and drivers before OS [04:11] its my new laptop though [04:11] and the trackpad [04:11] surely should all be fine [04:13] ;) [04:15] when you're typing perhaps? [04:17] nah like say im browsing with ffox suddenly cursor stops and i have to basically close lid/reopen and its fine again [04:17] or sometimes pulling up task manager fixes it [04:17] o0 [04:18] i only ever clean install machines i get. [04:18] hm i really dont like 8 tho [04:18] using a 3rd party app to get the start button/menu back [04:18] indeed [04:18] classic shell doesn't quite work out [04:19] maybe go back to 7 :P [04:19] ya been considering that [04:20] if it supports CSM / legacy boot it'd be easiest. you can EFI install 7 of course, but it needs some manual file placement [04:20] CSM? hm [04:21] compatibility support module, it's how some refer to legacy boot provision [04:30] phones4u stock being auctioned 600k items [04:30] what does it mean 'buyers premium 20%' in relation to an auction? [04:39] hm might bid on a few things [05:04] a desk phone for hipster value and irony :-) [05:07] 20% premium means 20% fee? [05:39] bah [05:39] no homeland [05:39] asnd no gotham [05:39] stinky tv week [05:40] in 3 weeks it'll be wall to wall repeats of crimbo specials [05:40] :( [05:41] though you might get pressies of new dvds or blu rays [05:46] what time do you work?! [05:46] quite late atm:) [05:47] of work atm, insomnia amongst other things [05:47] i get 4 hours sleep a day, usually at random times [05:55] seems quite good [05:55] have to say the words back and somehow it can tell if you say it right [05:55] like the pronounciation [06:05] neat eh [07:54] morning all === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:19] mehhh [09:25] eeyyyyy! [09:26] I'm going to agree with "meh". so many conf calls, so little care. [09:26] had to spend the night in my sons bed last night while he slept in my bed [09:26] at least i got more sleep than previous night [09:26] at least you didn't have anyone hogging the covers! [09:26] twice a week some random IT guy comes to a little used server room near my office to make offerings to the novell gods [09:27] IT dept promised that novell would be long gone by now [09:28] I thought novell was no longer a thing [09:29] it shouldn't be [09:29] trouble is, they did what they were supposed to rather well [09:29] maybe there is a novell shrine, like they have in Japan [09:29] there is. [09:29] yes, novell had quite a long stretch [09:29] packets of viennese whirls have been found in there [09:37] ./3 [09:46] novell netware was ace :D [09:49] Viennese Whirls are a powerful incentive to the Gods of Novell [09:50] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04p5b36/hardtalk-mitchell-baker-executive-chairwoman-mozilla [09:52] Hard Talk [09:56] Good morning all; happy Giving Tuesday! :-D [09:58] * davmor2 give JamesTait internet cake [09:59] davmor2, I'm not falling for that one, I know the cake is a lie. ;) [10:00] * davmor2 gives JamesTait a lie [10:26] morning boys and girls. [10:29] morning brobostigon [10:34] morning MooDoo [10:34] yes === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:39] any one tried to create an account on the linuxpadawan site? [11:40] the what? [11:40] http://wiki.linuxpadawan.net/AboutUs [11:42] oh dear [11:42] don't think it works properly [12:41] what happened to ubuntu-beginners and why "oh dear"? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:45] yet another wiki === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:49] ali1234: on't think he's a fan of wikis [12:49] Oh I am. [12:49] but? [12:50] I have no idea what happened to ubuntu-beginners. [12:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam links to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-beginners/2013-August/002541.html [12:51] which is 404 [12:51] google has a cache. basically it died of natural causes [12:52] https://web.archive.org/web/20140817091812/https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-beginners/2013-August/002541.html [12:52] so the people who were active have setup a new thing to be inactive in? [12:52] hmm that's interesting. i just searched wayback machine and it only had an archive of the 404 page [12:52] seems that way yes [12:53] but it doesn't reflect on ubuntu this way [12:53] so who cares? [12:53] hence "oh dear" [12:53] seems defeatist :( [12:54] Just seems an odd thing to do. [12:55] if you read some more of the thread it's not so simple [12:55] i'm all up for people sharing and helping [12:55] the scope of the new thing is rather different [12:56] the first sentence on the about page is not necessary [12:57] this really annoys me actually [12:57] you have to contribute the way we say, or go somewhere else [12:57] and even if you go somewhere else, we'll still bitch about how you're doing it wrong. constantly. [12:59] i don't think i've heard of ubuntu beginners [12:59] was it a community thing? [13:01] it was a gateway thing [13:01] get new people to the right places [13:01] kind of triage? [13:01] kinda [13:02] ubuntu-uk is good for that...for UK types [13:02] right. linuxpadawan seems to be more about mentoring absolute beginners, which is a totally different thing [13:02] i guess other chans are less well populated [13:03] ubuntu-uk is so ridiculously off-topic all the time, it barely deserves to be in the official namespace [13:04] Partly because the team such as it is is disfunctional. [13:04] not that i think being off-topic is bad [13:05] Some other loco teams have contributors (to translations, docs, bugs etc) who don't consider themselves part of the ubuntu "community" (whatever that is) [13:05] well, you know what i think about "community" [13:05] i do [13:05] hence quoting it [13:06] * popey forages for food [13:06] off topic is nice if it is not cliquey. somehow this chan achieves that [13:08] http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/2/7318775/sinclairs-zx-spectrum-is-coming-back-as-a-retro-gaming-console [13:10] i knew someone that had a spectrum48 with a real keyboard - what was that? [13:10] Sam Coupe? [13:10] or the one Ben Heck made? [13:11] speaking of which http://www.indieretronews.com/2014/12/rock-boshers-dx-zx-spectrum-inspired.html#sthash.1MGU1sUP.uxfs [13:11] it was during the original zx days [13:11] http://tikipod.com/rockboshersdx/ direct link [13:11] so earlier than 1989 [13:11] spectrum +2? [13:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#mediaviewer/File:ZX_Spectrum_Plus2.jpeg [13:12] no, it was before any +2 or QL etc [13:12] it was a current ZX spectrum modded into a proper keyboard that looks abit like the sam coupe [13:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#mediaviewer/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg [13:12] spectrum+, 48k [13:12] nope [13:13] was not official sinclair product [13:13] dunno then [13:13] i also didn't dream it [13:16] russian spectrum clone maybe? [13:16] http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODIyWDEwMDA=/z/EhMAAOxyVaBS8Ay~/$_35.JPG [13:16] heh i was just on http://k1.spdns.de/Vintage/Sinclair/82/Clones/Russia/Delta-S%20(Delta-C%20%3A%20%D0%94%D0%95%D0%9B%D0%AC%D0%A2%D0%90-%D0%A1)/ [13:16] looks like there were a few clones out there [13:16] yes, lots [13:16] russians cloned all the home computers into the 16 bit era [13:16] http://kevman3d.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/tech-fixing-dktronics-keyboard-for-my.html [13:17] it had this keyboard [13:18] http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=1000123 [13:18] there was a sinclair pc with a keyboard like that but it was a full pc and not a spectum [13:32] \o/ soup [13:32] zmoylan-pi: PC 100 [13:32] iirc [13:33] no, PC200 [13:35] i think amstrad was trying to bring their pc business upmarket with sinclair name :-P [13:35] or not sully the amstrad name with a crappy pc ☻ [13:36] but if sinclair announced a pc/tablet/phone tomorrow i'd probably buy it just because he does some weird and wonderful stuff [13:41] amstrad/viglen are worst company ever [13:41] shame nobody at BBC realises that al sugar made money buying property in a rising property market === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:59] amtstrad was popular for a short time in the late 1980s and early 90s, and then flopped [14:01] Their PCW8256/9512 and their PC1512 and PC1640 were insanely popular [14:01] there was a time when it was hard to walk into an electricals shop without encountering a bunch of amstrad machines [14:02] they had a laptop that ran on d batteries, the alt laptops with a 16 bit isa expansion slot. the nc100 and nc200 and first no keyboard pda. some original ideas for the time [14:02] if implemented badly [14:06] I think that new SpectrumConsole is lame [14:06] "Plays all Spectrum games"... well, the hardware may run them, but you need more keyboard for many of them [14:06] i don't think spectrum games can hold up today, no matter how big of a hipster you are [14:07] popey: yay that was for it's wordprocessing package more than anything else iirc though right [14:07] How are you supposed to press the keys required to redefine the keys when they're not on that keypad? [14:07] i installed a zx spectrum emulator a few years ago on my brother pc. his kids didn't get off the pc for about a month till my brother deleted it to get his pc back [14:07] awilkins: magic [14:07] they will probably patch all the games and then sell them to you for £1 each [14:07] from a download store [14:07] Some things like Head over Heels were impossible to play without a well-tuned keybinding as well [14:07] because everyone loves download stores right? [14:07] The press announcement says "free" [14:08] free downloads... [14:08] But maybe that means a free download store. [14:08] freemium? [14:08] naggy adverts [14:08] And not .TAP files [14:08] £100 though [14:08] That's just daft [14:08] How well does a Pi do at Spectrum emulation? [14:08] It's just a massive retro-cashin. [14:08] getting the rights to all the games will be fun. i know amstrad tried with their em@iler gizmo [14:09] DO you have to download the games, define a keybinding, and then load it onto an SDCard? [14:09] WHo knows... [14:09] they probably haven't even thought it through [14:10] or they have a keyboard addon ready to kickstart :-) [14:10] Good morning peeps :) [14:13] raspberry pi can easily emulate a spectrum [14:13] any computer made in the last 15 years can do it easily [14:13] there are a few videos of people putting pi inside a dead zx spectrum case [14:13] and if you have patience you can use original rubber keyboard [14:19] bigcalm: morning [14:20] Ug [14:20] why would you want to? I absolutely hated that keyboard [14:20] only for stress relief [14:20] the response was useless [14:23] you could use it as a coaster while browsing the web :-) [14:24] perfect keyboard for tweeting as your brain is constantly working out ways not to type long messages on it :-D [14:48] Most modern keyboards are still made from the same lousy technology [14:48] They just evolved it by making the rubber thinner and adding hard keycaps [14:49] Even a Model M is a membrane keyboard [14:49] But with a much better actuation mechanism [14:52] morning everyone [14:53] howdy knightwise [14:54] hey MooDoo [14:55] how are you today ? [14:56] knightwise: yeah good thanks, finally completed the christmas shopping [14:57] ah this is going to be easy for us this year :) we are gonna give the money to charity :) [15:05] so what was on your wishlist this year ? [15:11] a new phone. [15:13] heh [15:13] same here :D [15:13] but almost certainly a different phone [15:13] i just got an iphone [15:14] i am thinking about the geekshone revl [15:14] revolution* [15:20] Moodoo ? YOU and IPHONE ? [15:20] I got my Oneplus One last week on thursday [15:21] pretty happy with it :) [15:24] :) [15:25] knightwise: yeah i wanted a change away from android/cyanogenmod [15:25] and .. do you like it ? [15:25] love it [15:25] just works [15:25] True .. [15:25] i have that experience with my macbooks in the house [15:27] boss has just purchased a macbook pro can't fault it [15:27] I have the 15 inch pro as my main machine for the company [15:27] doing stuff on it like video's and stuff is just perfect [15:27] I'm trying to fight the urge to open the XPS 13 parcel [15:27] * brobostigon will stick with android, only viable option to go with my pebble. [15:28] Mr. Father Christmas told me that he's not going to give it to me until Christmas Eve, the traditional gift exchange day in Finland [15:28] I did tell him quite a few times that future Mrs. Father Christmas isn't impressed with this idea [15:28] Lol :) [15:30] hmmm.. i have a little bit of a chance of a lifetime here to buy a prosumer camcorder [15:30] ... little short for geek-cash .. so might look at selling off some gear first :) [15:31] cm11 runs on it, thats goood, :) [15:34] * popey wants to see an Ubuntu port on the OnePlus [15:38] popey that WOULD be cool [15:38] very curious about that [15:40] if I had one I'd certainly have a go [15:42] im looking forward to the ubuntu phone , curious how that is gonna turn out [15:44] anyone particularly familiar with kerberos/PAM [15:49] knightwise: me too! :D [16:22] Anyone know of (braces self) a Markdown parser for VBA ? [16:23] Getting sick of Word being incompatible with any sane document format [16:23] Had bright idea that if I was converting Markdown to Word, with Word, then that would be super-compatible. [16:24] Open Word, load macro, parse markdown, watch it write document, tart it up a bit, done [16:50] awilkins, in the old days you could do javascript in the windows scripting host; is that still doable for Word stuff, or are you obliged to use vba for that sort of thing now? (I ask because there are loads of JS markdown parsers) [16:51] aquarius, might be possible from outside Word [16:51] You can AFAIK manipulate Word objects from WSH [16:52] Used to do that kind of thing to make custom loaders that needed in-document macros to work [17:00] !help [17:00] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [17:00] i want to ask about android-x86 which is ubuntu based system [17:01] I recently installed andoid-x86 in my hdd with the windows 7 [17:02] I used grub to choose which OS I wanted to boot [17:02] but recently I upgraded to windows 8 and now the grub is not loading at startup [17:03] would you please help me getting grub bak to work, I already googled but didn't find anything and I don't know anything about ubuntu [17:04] ? [17:05] aquarius, Thanks for the idea, now all I have to do is find a JS markdown parser with a pluggable formatter [17:05] And rewrite that to do Word calls instead of spewing HTML [17:06] adam__, android-x86 is not an Ubuntu based system [17:07] I think it is and it uses the same commands in terminal [17:07] It's Android, compiled for x86 processors ; the only similarity they share is that they are both based on Linux [17:08] aha , then would you please help me fixing grub ? [17:09] if you don't mind ^^ [17:14] Hmm, even better : Python + pywin32 [17:45] Hello....i had a question about error codes in Ubuntu [17:46] when i put "sudo apt-get update" into the sTerminal, it gives me "Err http://ppa.launchpad.net utopic/main Sources 404 Not Found Err http://ppa.launchpad.net utopic/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found Err http://ppa.launchpad.net utopic/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net utopic/main Translation-en_US [17:46] how can i fix this? [17:51] plz help....... === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:28] ok, i was just printing out the enormously long UK visa application and my printer started smoking. I installed the Samsung Unified driver only minutes before. Could getting the wrong driver cause my printer to catch fire? [18:28] Or is this the fault of the UK Home Office? [18:29] o_O http://www.geek.com/microsoft/microsoft-futuristic-cybercrime-computer-lets-you-see-and-hear-botnet-activity-1610635/ [18:30] err [19:56] diddledan: maybe it would be better to block it maybe ;) [19:56] davmor2, celestah? [19:57] or however he spelt it [19:57] just looking at the title of the link you posted :) [19:57] aah [20:52] http://nodatime.org/1.3.x/userguide/trivia.html [21:18] is there an opengl debugger packaged? [21:18] i ported some old code to VBOs and it runs really smooth now, except every fourth time i run it, it locks up the computer [21:27] Hi all. My computer boots up and logs in but about 2 minutes later it freezes. Responds to nothibg. All applications crash. This started happening about 90 minutes after am upgrade [21:27] I am running Xubuntu [21:29] ali1234, I can't help with your problem, but I'm curious what VBOs are? [21:30] vertex buffer objects [21:30] aah [21:30] and it's happening again [21:30] odd that it only occurs every fourth run [21:30] approximately* [21:30] what happens is you run it a few times and it's fine [21:31] suggests there's an interaction with either something else on the system or with hardware [21:31] then you run it and it renders 1 frame every 10 seconds [21:31] and then every window starts taking 10 seconds to redraw [21:31] then you get XID error 8 (GPU stopped processing) on dmesg [21:32] possibly a driver bug? [21:32] yes, quite likely [21:32] I have no idea how to go about debugging drivers tho [21:32] more likely i'm just doing it wrong [21:32] heh [21:33] Is there a hardware issue with Ubuntu? I mean I have a suspicion this is a hard drive issue [21:33] oh hello again Safiyyah o/ [21:33] Safiyyah: tried booting an older kernel, yet? [21:34] hmm now THAT is interesting [21:34] ello daftykins [21:34] problem seems to be related to nvidia-settings [21:34] ooh [21:35] [ 1891.223186] NVRM: Xid (0000:01:00): 8, Channel 00000003 [21:35] argh [21:37] Daftykins I don't know how to do that [21:37] It happened about 90 minutes after an upgrade [21:37] Safiyyah: hold the left hand shift key at bootup, just before the computer is about to boot from the hard disk. you'll get the GRUB menu, select 'advanced options' then pick another kernel [21:37] when was the upgrade? [21:38] I updated [21:38] yes, when? [21:38] I think I have been running Xubuntu for a month [21:38] It's been perfect.... Until now [21:38] so this has been happening for 1 month minus 90 minutes? [21:38] On Sunday night. [21:39] No it was fine until the update on Sunday [21:39] And now the machine freezes [21:39] okay, and you are running 14.10? [21:39] 14.04 methinks [21:39] Safiyyah is wise and sticks to LTS [21:39] oh yeah [21:39] well, i'm on 14.04 too [21:40] It also brought back the guest account which I had disabled all on its own [21:40] no problems until this weird opengl stuff today... but maybe it is related somehow [21:40] doubt it though, in a LTS [21:40] I thing am on 1404 I only use LTS [21:40] Running 14.10 on the laptop [21:40] Safiyyah: so go try the older kernels to see if it makes a difference [21:40] Only annoyance is that MySQL Workbench (Oracle builds) are broken [21:40] Had to recompile it from source [21:40] no, look at the logs first [21:40] before oyu start changing things up [21:41] Okay doing that now... Am on and chat on the mobile phone [21:41] always check out logs, children! [21:41] your* [21:43] and most definitely always check your logs before flushing them [21:43] logrotate? [21:43] Daftykins there was some device error messages before it flicked to the log in screen [21:44] hmm yeah there's a kernel update [21:44] I guess I will find out if it is still stuck in 5 minutes [21:44] I hope it's the Kernel and not a deal hard drive [21:44] Safiyyah: if you can boot a live session we can check the hard disk health [21:45] daftykins, don't you dare. you've killed enough hard disks already! :-p [21:45] All my live disks are really old. [21:45] Lol can't I just do the memtest on the grub menu? [21:46] diddledan: MOAR [21:46] you can run memtest sure, that has nothing to do with the disks though [21:46] hilariously i'm in memtest on my desktop right now, i thought i'd see if my old core 2 quad wanted to run at 1066MHz again... [21:46] answer: no [21:47] Okay. We'll see how long it works before it dies [21:48] So there was a kernel update ali1234? [21:48] Wilk start watching out for those. As I normally also hold off flash updates as well [21:48] yeah, sometime since october 28th [21:48] Because suddenly all flash stops working. I refuse the update for a couple of months normally [21:48] avoiding updates is pretty head-in-sand thinking [21:49] Will now start refusing the Kernel updates [21:49] especially when it's a few key presses to go back to an older one [21:49] Lol I need a working machine Daftykins lol [21:49] november 13th [21:49] sure you do, but you've yet to tell me whether you've booted an older kernel or not yet. [21:49] you know what else is just a few key presses? checking the syslog for the true error message [21:49] doing so would make a lot more sense ahead of a memtest [21:49] Daftykins I have booked in the older kernel [21:50] I am playing around on the computer [21:50] what, so it worked? [21:50] .... Remember it was logging in and freezing after 5 minutes [21:50] So am waiting for the freeze [21:50] nah i forgot that part already, if i ever read it :> [21:50] Lol [21:51] i have to go grab some laundry, back in a bit [21:51] It's still froze. It closed Firefox automatically. If I select anything from the whisker menu. That also crashes [21:51] Yep definitely frozen [21:52] press ctrl-alt-f1 [21:53] Too late. I pressed log out and got a frozen everything. Had to power off [21:54] Ali1234 I am logged in again with an older kernel [21:54] dmesg | pastebinit [21:54] Will try again once it freezes [21:54] Okay [21:56] I don't have that straight line on my keyboard [21:56] What now? [21:56]