[00:39] <MichaelP> how do i uninstall everything kubuntu-active installed ?
[00:46] <MichaelP> anyone here
[00:48] <bprompt_> sorta
[00:48] <MichaelP> trying to figure out how to remove everything kubuntu-active installed
[00:49] <bprompt_> hmm I'd agree with Ben64, notice his reply
[00:51] <MichaelP> That is what i like about arch... say you install just kdebase.... pacman -Rscn kdebase everything is removed.... ubuntu supose to be easy....
[00:56] <MichaelP> I thought active would be different... but i guess since it not touch screen it not... only bad thing... you can't logout... either sleep lock or reboot
[02:53] <me3> ok i just did a steam update with a game called robocraft and all my desktop icons disapeared
[02:53] <me3> not many , but firefox , thunderbird and a few liks to folders
[02:54] <me3> anyway to make them come back?
[02:56] <me3> so is this chat working or are there some 50 afk people?
[07:29] <soee> good morning
[08:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:28] <dooly> hello i have using kubuntu for quite some time on a wacom stylus pc however i have never been able to configure it for the tablet, and am now wondering if there in the mean time with so many tabletpcs out the ufthere are any default configs
[10:29] <dooly> let me refrase.
[10:30] <dooly> there is a kubuntu-config-tabelts however no where can I find how to activate that config
[11:16] <mokush> any idea how I can set git to use ksshaskpass? I did set the env var ssh_askpass= to the executable, but no dice
[11:17] <mokush> this seems to be working by default, but with the gnome sshaskpass, on 14.10 with plasma4, but when upgrading to plasma 5 it's broken
[11:43] <Yyo80pl> bello
[11:44] <Yyo80pl> nessune che scrive
[11:48] <Yyo80pl> va be io vado via.... ciao
[11:52] <alvin> How do I add an icon to the taskbar in plasma5? (for example: konsole). In KDE4, you could right-click the program in the application menu, but now this option is not available.
[12:14] <soee> alvin: im using icon task only and i can pin it
[12:15] <alvin> soee: Do I need to add some widget first?
[12:18] <soee> alvin: replace taskbar with icon task on;y
[12:18] <alvin> I've set the task manager to "icons only", but I can still not add programs
[12:18] <alvin> The only possibility is add/remove to/from favorites. Not "Add to Panel"
[12:19] <soee> but you want it to be visible on panel all teh time ?
[12:19] <alvin> Yes, a bit like the old "quick launch" in MSWindows
[12:20] <soee> open app, when it shows up on panel, right click on it and choose Show it when not running
[12:21] <alvin> soee: Thanks. That was exactly what I was looking for.
[13:42] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning folks
[13:51] <lfrlucas> Hi. When will kde 4.14.3 be realeased for kubuntu 14.04, under kubuntu backports ppa?
[13:56] <alvin> It's not packaged for 14.10 yet. Probably around the same time.
[13:57] <lfrlucas> hmmm ok
[13:58] <alvin> Problem. I need smartcard support in freerdp. So, I backported freerdp-x11 from Vivid to Utopic. That works. Even with KRDC. Smartcard support is now compiled too (it wasn't before). Until I actually insert a card. Then it... Segmentation fault (core dumped) Is it possible to file bugs against not-yet-released packages? I really, really want smartcard support to work.
[14:03] <Walex2> alvin: well, all distributions encourage people to report problems with beta-test sw.
[14:03] <Walex2> alvin: much better to get the report before the distro is released than after.
[14:04] <Walex2> alvin: your issue is however with a backport. You would have to show that the same issue happens under 'Vivid'
[14:04] <alvin> That's only logical. But I can't use ubuntu-bug on a package that I compiled myself. You can't even use it on packages from kubuntu's ppa.
[14:04] <alvin> That makes sense
[14:04] <alvin> I really want this to work, so I guess I'll have to install vivid. And not in a vm.
[14:05] <alvin> I'll try another smarcard reader first. Let's see.
[14:05] <Walex2> alvin: most likely it will happen under Vivid too, they are not that different. But the people who work on distro releases pay a lot more attention to bugs right for the release they are trying to push out.
[14:07] <alvin> Hmm. Same issue with other reader
[14:08] <alvin> Yes, but I don't think this particular issue has priority. Bug #1020023 is old
[14:09] <BluesKaj_> too bad plasma 5 has become the default 15.04 desktop, if one upgrades after insatlling
[14:09] <alvin> It has? I'm currently trying it. Nice, doable, but absolutely not ready.
[14:09] <BluesKaj_> I don't like the flat "look"
[14:10] <BluesKaj_> reverted to 14.10/plasma 4
[14:10] <alvin> It needs some tweaking. I'll have to look into it too. For example in Quassel (this), names in the nick and channel list are too far apart.
[14:11] <alvin> Also, The -minimize option in Quassel is ignored. I just starts full screen. And the owncloud client complains about not having a system tray (although it works)
[14:12]  * BluesKaj_ sticks withj konversation... guess I'm becoming a Luddite :)
[14:13] <alvin> locales are the worst part in my opinion. I'm Flemish, so I chose "Belgium" in KDE. (but wanting KDE in English). It then succeeds by setting days off in French in the calendar, choosing Dutch as language for the programs, and trying de_BE as a locale. That's German, and does not even exist. Yes, this country has 3 official languages, but I don't think the DE should reflect that by using all 3 for different stuff...
[14:13]  * monkeyjuice likes konversation also
[14:13] <alvin> Manually changing /etc/default/locales, reconfiguring them by hand, and NOT touching the settings in KDE is the only option.
[14:14] <alvin> Quassel might need more functionality, but I like the client-core setup a lot!
[14:14] <BluesKaj_> I can't imagine having to deal with the locale problem
[14:15] <alvin> It's terrible. It was a problem before, but it's certainly worse now. The good part is that it has changed, so someone is trying to get it right.
[14:15] <lfrlucas> Anyone experiencing memory leak in kdeinit? I'm using kubuntu 14.04, and kdeinit memory increases 2 or 3 mbytes every time I ssh into the machine!
[14:16] <alvin> Yes, I do think I know the problem on my collegue's machine. Let me see.
[14:16] <alvin> I think it is related to some *kit
[14:17] <alvin> Must be bad. I'm still nog logged in.
[14:18] <alvin> Aha. Yes, his machine is using 4213MB swap and the 4GB ram is full too.
[14:18] <Walex2> alvin: I would expect a Flemish locale to exist ready-compiled, otherwise it is not too difficult to compile one.
[14:18] <alvin> Walex2: nl_BE.UTF-8, yes. But it can't be chosen from the GUI.
[14:19] <lfrlucas> This is a serious bug. I'm concern why no solution has been proposed. The bug is reported in  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934
[14:19] <Walex2> alvin: then don't choose it from the GUI :-)
[14:19] <lfrlucas> ubottu: That's it
[14:19] <Walex2> leak in a GNU/Linux GUI? Stop the presses! :-)
[14:19] <alvin> You need to put the value in /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local and reconfigure locales.
[14:20] <alvin> It looks like /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd is the culprit. (Yes, a *kit)
[14:21] <alvin> His machine is directly connected to the internet and all those hail mary tries make the memory rise.
[14:21] <Walex2> alvin: that is IIRC deprecated, and its deprecation was one of the reasons for the spread of (the virus knowns as) SystemD...
[14:22] <lfrlucas> We are using kubuntu in all machines of our university laboratory, and this bug is really affecting us. We use ssh a lot. Even our scripts use ssh
[14:22] <alvin> It's a pretty default 14.04 installation. Yes, I dread the coming of systemd. Upstart was bad, but what will we get now...
[14:22] <Walex2> alvin: I suspect that the Ubuntu calculation is that by the time 18.04 is released things will have changed...
[14:22] <lfrlucas> alvin: so, no work around is known?
[14:23] <Walex2> lfrlucas: if 'policykit' offends you, cut it off :-)
[14:23] <alvin> I haven't looked into it yet, but I suspect my collegue will start complaining soon.
[14:23] <lfrlucas> isn't policykit required by other apps?
[14:24] <Walex2> lfrlucas: not really. it just handles device ownership. Some other apps require its _presence_. I think it can be disabled.
[14:24] <alvin> hplip Depends policykit-1
[14:24] <alvin> That's not too bad. I thought it would be worse
[14:25] <alvin> You can use SSH as long as you don't need HP printers :-)
[14:25] <lfrlucas> alvin: i don't have hplip
[14:25] <Walex2> alvin: 'policykit' base role is to 'chown' the '/dev' files to whoever is logged into the main console tty, but in my case it usually gets it wrong.
[14:26] <lfrlucas> alvin: is it secure to remove policykit?
[14:26] <alvin> Ouch, no. I simulated it
[14:26] <alvin> apt purge -s policykit-1
[14:27] <alvin> Try that. It'll show what a purge would do.
[14:27] <lfrlucas> are you sure?
[14:27] <alvin> -s stands for "simulate"
[14:27] <alvin> It will not actually purge the packages
[14:27] <lfrlucas> alvin: it tries to purge most of my KDE packages
[14:28] <alvin> Indeed. Not recommended.
[14:28] <lfrlucas> i guess policykit is an important dependency
[14:29] <lfrlucas> Walex2: it seems that policykit is important
[14:30] <lfrlucas> Walex2:  if it handles device owership
[14:30] <alvin> I'm trying to find an existing bug
[14:31] <Walex2> lfrlucas: its job is: if you insert a USB stick it changes ownership of the newly appeared device to the logged in user.
[14:31] <alvin> There's bug #1092390 but the ssh connections here are not accepted.
[14:31] <Walex2> lfrlucas: there are other ways to handle that.
[14:31] <lfrlucas> alvin: this bug is reported here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934
[14:32] <lfrlucas> But nobody cares about it
[14:32] <alvin> It will probably be consumed by systemd
[14:32] <Walex2>  to 'kded4' growing, I have put aside a script to restart it when it grows too big
[14:32] <soee> Walex2: on what Kubuntu version this happens ?
[14:32] <lfrlucas> I don't understand how people lives with ths
[14:32] <lfrlucas> *this
[14:33] <Walex2> alvin: 'kded4' probably won't be consumed by SystemD, but the plan is to replace distributions with SystemD.
[14:33] <soee> i remeber i had it to, but it was goine on 14.04 maybe
[14:33] <Walex2> soee: 12.04 with the 4.14 from the PPA
[14:33] <alvin> 14.04 LTS here, without PPA's
[14:33] <lfrlucas> I'm using 14.04
[14:33] <Walex2> soee: these leaks tend to be highly context dependent, that is they happen only in certain usually fairly special cases
[14:34] <soee> ah ok
[14:34] <lfrlucas> With or without ppa  this bug exists
[14:34] <alvin> Yes, when SSH is not connected to the internet, it will not get that many hits.
[14:34] <Walex2> soee: I have a number of bizarre long standing issues that "just happen", e.g. in Konsole sometimes the digit "8" becomes a special key.
[14:35] <lfrlucas> We have scripts that run ssh frequently and our machines are not reboot everyday. That's why we detected this bug easily
[14:35] <Walex2> soee: in Emacs for example sometimes I have to run 'search-replace-regexp' *twice*, because the first time it just does nothing.
[14:35] <lfrlucas> Walex2: I never had that problem with 8
[14:35] <alvin> I wonder what changed in 14.10. I can no longer reboot from within KDE. I need to log out and use another TTY to give the reboot command. Otherwise, it's just a blank screen
[14:36] <Walex2> alvin: that's most likely an 'Xorg' driver problem or an ACPI problem
[14:36] <alvin> Maybe I need to switch to systemd, but I'll have to relearn too much. Tried it once, then wanted to disable networkmanager. Didn't work anymore. (Wel,l, it did work, but systemd knew better and re-enabled it automatically)
[14:36] <alvin> It wasn't there in 14.04
[14:37] <Walex2> alvin: SystemD switches *you* :-)
[14:38] <Walex2> but practically speaking since 'upstart' has gone into two LTS releases Ubuntu will continue to support it for many years.
[14:38] <alvin> I can relate to the "veteran UNIX admins". Maybe I'm one myself. On the old days, when you gave a command in UNIX, it didn't care. If the command existed, it was executed. (I've messed up some stuff when I first came into contact with Solaris. Learned to be careful.)
[14:39] <alvin> Re-enabling a service when the admin disabled it is just nasty behaviour.
[14:44] <lfrlucas>  I had a laptop with gentoo using kde 4.14.3 with manifesting this memory leak with ssh
[14:45] <lfrlucas> Maybe it is because polkit-1 version?
[14:45] <alvin> There's too much thinking that everything will just work. No, it won't. Think about it. You have a problem with network-manager. What do you do? You disable it and set a static ip address using whatever program ifconfig is now replaced with. All services that need network will then just work with the address you've set. What I see now is that systemd panics and thinks that certain services really need network-manager, so it starts the thing
[14:45] <alvin> that doesn't work....
[15:46] <ronanarthas> hey
[15:46] <ronanarthas> i try to install kde plasma 5 on linux kubuntu 14.10 but i can't
[15:46] <ronanarthas> i have this message
[15:46] <ronanarthas> root@s4-17:~# apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait Construction de l'arbre des dépendances        Lecture des informations d'état... Fait E: Impossible de trouver le paquet kubuntu-plasma5-desktop root@s4-17:~#
[15:47] <ronanarthas> i can"t found kubuntu pasma 5 packet
[15:56] <chozabu> ronanarthas: Hey - plasma 5 really is just a "tech preview" at the moment if you are sure you want to try it, issue an apt-get update command and try again
[18:31] <contrast> Greetings, everyone. I just ran installed some updates (on 14.04) and now my onboard soundcard isn't being recognized (though it still comes up under `lspci`). Help, please? Need to get to bed soon and my computer is my alarm clock.
[18:53] <contrast> Greetings, everyone. I just installed some updates (on 14.04) and now my onboard soundcard isn't being recognized (already tried rolling back to the old kernel, no dice). Help, please? Need to get to bed soon and my computer is my alarm clock.
[22:03] <Matombo> hi
[22:03] <Matombo> i want to share a folder with a windows pc but make it password protected
[22:04] <Matombo> but wenn i right klick the folder and navigate to the share tab and aktivate share the only thing works is if i allow guest access
[22:05] <Matombo> wenn ich just allow 1 user and then want to connect from the windows pc it promts me a username password popup but wont let me connect to the folder
[22:24] <D3V> whenever I try to resize the display in vmware it freezes