[00:00] <daftykins> disconnect your second SSD which is acting up... boot a live session, make a /home on the  / partition, comment out /home from the faulty SSD in your /etc/fstab then you'd have a working install to use in the meantime
[00:00] <Safiyyah> And when the new drive comes?
[00:01] <daftykins> you'd have a working install so that you could plug it in and use non live-session programs to set it up ready
[00:01] <Safiyyah> Okay I will have to cross that bridge when I  get to it because my brain can't understand it
[00:02] <Safiyyah> Anyway  I  have backed up everything that I remember is urgent
[00:02] <Safiyyah> So it won't h
[00:03] <Safiyyah> Am trying to remember what other hidden files I need...  Lol
[00:03] <Safiyyah> Okay am ready
[00:03] <Safiyyah> So power down.  Unplug crazy drive
[00:04] <Safiyyah> Right?
[00:04] <daftykins> yip
[00:04] <Safiyyah> Okay here we go.....
[00:13] <Safiyyah> Okay  we are booting into live disk
[00:14] <daftykins> 12.04 one?
[00:15] <Safiyyah> Interesting...  I just remembered that I have a cable which connects the power supply and the SATA plus.  And it's a splitting one (combined one ) not two separate ones. Could that also be the issue?
[00:15] <Safiyyah> Yes Daftykins 12.04
[00:15] <daftykins> very highly doubt it
[00:15] <Safiyyah> This whole affair has made me want to eat
[00:16] <Safiyyah> But at least I can sleep knowing my files are safe
[00:16] <Safiyyah> Lol the idea of losing them made me want to go lie down
[00:17] <daftykins> you may have to make your backups more often when you get settled again ;)
[00:18] <Safiyyah> Yeah
[00:18] <Safiyyah> This has been rather scary
[00:18] <Safiyyah> The problem is that once the computer works for Bout 6 months.  You forget about the reality of loosing data and return to ones old ways
[00:19] <daftykins> :)
[00:19] <Safiyyah> Daftykins everything is up and running
[00:19] <Safiyyah> Joining via the web
[00:20] <daftykins> ok fire up a terminal and run "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[00:21] <daftykins> followed by "cat /etc/fstab" then pastebin that
[00:21] <daftykins> oops
[00:21] <daftykins> nope ignore that
[00:21] <daftykins> "cat /mnt/etc/fstab"
[00:21] <Safiyyah2> hello
[00:23] <Safiyyah> Firefox is frozen.  And terminal says it can't read superblock
[00:24] <daftykins> hmm
[00:24] <daftykins> maybe it's not gonna be as easy as initially thought :P
[00:25] <daftykins> you could try "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt" but i doubt it'd make much difference to a superblock error
[00:26] <Safiyyah> Firefox has crashed three times on the webchat
[00:26] <daftykins> that's not a good sign at all
[00:27] <daftykins> maybe running a memtest after all wouldn't hurt
[00:27] <daftykins> perhaps it's better to do that overnight and come back to things tomorrow, as it's already crazy o'clock
[00:27] <Safiyyah> Perhaps we should check the health of this hard drive as well
[00:27] <daftykins> well, SSDs don't report things as do hard disks. so there's nothing i know of that'd say
[00:28] <Safiyyah> Hmm
[00:28] <daftykins> you can see if the kernel is crying with "dmesg | tail" again
[00:29] <Safiyyah> I  can't paste in Firefox.  It says cannot set free 48000 to ep 0×86
[00:30] <Safiyyah> Free = freq
[00:30] <Safiyyah> Spell check on phone changes text sometimes
[00:31] <daftykins> *nod* autocorrect is a pain
[00:31] <daftykins> i think memtest would be a good move
[00:31] <Safiyyah> The pastebin is at 9351347
[00:32] <Safiyyah> Pkease type the full link then that number for my oaste
[00:33] <daftykins> oh hmm nothing much detailed about that
[00:33] <Safiyyah> Hmm
[00:33] <daftykins> yeah, i still vote memtest :>
[00:33] <Safiyyah> Are you telling me am better off with an old school HDD?
[00:33] <Safiyyah> Yes well memtest takes hours
[00:33] <daftykins> oh dear Tux, no
[00:33] <daftykins> sure does
[00:34] <Safiyyah> Can leave it running overnight
[00:34] <daftykins> but it also saves me a lot of time once i discover machines i'm working on are wonky
[00:34] <daftykins> yip
[00:34] <Safiyyah> What time roughly will you be about?
[00:34] <Safiyyah> 10 11.
[00:34] <Safiyyah> ?
[00:34] <daftykins> late evening
[00:34] <Safiyyah> Oh my god,  you are trying to kill me
[00:35] <Safiyyah> Will be back
[00:35] <Safiyyah> Thank you ever so much
[00:35] <daftykins> anytime ^_^
[00:35] <daftykins> you can always try the rest of this channel in the day time
[00:35] <daftykins> plenty of us about
[00:35] <Safiyyah> So that's grub and then memtest?
[00:35] <daftykins> i would use the one on the 12.04 liveCD
[00:36] <Safiyyah> OH
[00:36] <Safiyyah> How do I  do that?
[00:36] <daftykins> when it's booting and is purple, you get a little icon at the bottom of the screen - press enter and a language select menu comes up
[00:36] <daftykins> then 'memory test' is on the menu behind
[00:39] <Safiyyah> Is this checking the RAM
[00:39] <Safiyyah> ?
[00:41] <ali1234> if yoou see a mostly blue screen with white writing, and some red and green bits, and lots of crazy numbers, then yes
[00:42] <Safiyyah> Okay
[00:43] <daftykins> mmhmm
[00:43] <Safiyyah> Will leave it over night
[00:43] <Safiyyah> Report back tomorrow
[00:43] <daftykins> righty-o
[00:43] <daftykins> nn o/
[00:43] <Safiyyah> Night guys.  At least I got my data
[01:34] <daftykins> heh just had fun with a cheap powerline kit
[01:34] <daftykins> here's my reference wired gigabit file copy from server to laptop:
[01:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j9z3vys0i9apgvo/wiredtest.gif?dl=0
[01:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3140rv4kypk5dnc/powerlinetest.gif?dl=0
[01:34] <daftykins> "500Mbps" power line adapters with a 100Mb port are officially false advertising imo \o/
[02:36] <shauno> what happens if you have more than 2 such adaptors?
[02:37] <shauno> I mean, say you have 4, can you get 100mbit from A-B and C-D simultaneously?
[02:38] <daftykins> mmm not sure
[02:39] <daftykins> depends what routes your house mains wiring runs
[02:40] <shauno> actually, I guess it's a pointless question unless you can also do A-C and B-D :)
[02:41] <daftykins> that's the thing i don't quite get, i see it as being surely just point to point
[02:41] <daftykins> but the box of the item paints a different picture
[02:42] <shauno> I guess that's what I was wondering.  if it's simply point-to-point, then you'd expect 500meg straight through
[02:42] <shauno> if it's actually a network to itself, then 500meg becomes the capacity of the 'trunk' (mains)
[02:43] <daftykins> i think it is, and likely they refer to 500Mb because of overhead
[02:43] <daftykins> as otherwise calling that 500 but the ports being 100Mb is pretty fail design :D
[02:43] <daftykins> http://uk.tp-link.com/resources/document/TL-PA451KIT%28UK_V2_Datasheet.pdf
[02:44] <daftykins> here we go, check out the picture at the bottom
[02:44] <daftykins> or i can take an image if you'd prefer not to touch PDF :>
[02:44] <shauno> heh
[02:44] <shauno> I'm on a mac, pdf is handled pretty natively :)
[02:44] <daftykins> ^_^
[02:45] <shauno> hm, see their diagram shows 6 points being used on one network (not 3 pairs)
[02:46] <intrbiz> as I understand it, powerline networking is a broadcast medium
[02:46] <intrbiz> so the 500Mb/s is the global bandwidth
[02:46] <intrbiz> regardless that each plug can only handle 100Mb/s
[02:47] <daftykins> ah i see
[02:47] <intrbiz> its a little like WiFI in that the WiFi bandwidth is global
[02:47] <daftykins> so you can indeed add 2 and it becomes a triangle of funkiness 0o
[02:47] <daftykins> sorry, add 1 to my kit of 2
[02:47] <intrbiz> so with single stream N, 150Mb/s between two stations would max the air space
[02:47] <shauno> 3's a bad example because you couldn't get two 100mbit streams through without saturating one first
[02:47] <intrbiz> so that other stations could not reach 150Mb/s
[02:48] <shauno> but with 4 you should be able to get 2 100meg streams a-b and c-d
[02:48] <intrbiz> so a 500Mb/s P/L network could handle 5 x 100Mb/s plugs talking at the same time
[02:48] <intrbiz> effectively thing of it as a time divided shared medium
[02:48] <shauno> it's a shame they don't have a variant with a gig-e port though.  having the router behind a 100meg port is a bit sadface
[02:49] <intrbiz> rarely the router has > 100Mb/s internet connection
[02:49] <daftykins> yeah, makes me love my cat6 even more :>
[02:49] <shauno> I don't mind being rare :)
[02:49] <daftykins> likely i'll gift these to friends who don't quite have the same standards
[02:50] <shauno> I avoid powerline stuff because it sounds like a nightmare for my radios
[02:51] <intrbiz> at one point HAM groups did try to mount legal action over the EMI of Powerline
[02:51] <daftykins> that's true, we had someone the other day saying it was evil
[02:51] <shauno> well it should't really propogate far
[02:51] <shauno> but I think it's a safe assumption that it'd be noticable within my own home at least
[02:52] <intrbiz> yes, but it does place interference onto the mains, which might not be filtered by a radios PSU
[02:52] <intrbiz> unless you've got a good range of caps in that
[02:52] <shauno> well, it's going to turn every mains cable on that circuit into radiators too
[02:52] <daftykins> i could probably test that as just now i tested its' speed by going up into my bedroom where i have a micro component hi-fi with a squeezebox (wifi music streamer)
[02:55] <intrbiz> daftykins: btw getting 11.4MB/s on 100Mb/s port is basically maxing the line
[02:55] <daftykins> yes, i know networking sir ;)
[02:55] <daftykins> you can see i'm alost saturating gigabit \o/
[02:56] <daftykins> RAID -> SSD was the first image
[03:06] <daftykins> kinda surprised i got 2 cables in with the box
[03:07] <daftykins> nice of them to make a kit... an actual kit :)
[04:59] <markp> hi night owls
[05:05] <daftykins> o hai
[05:09] <zmoylan-pi> twit twoo
[05:43] <markp> hey= zmoylan-pi
[05:43] <markp> hey daftykins
[05:44] <daftykins> o hai
[05:44] <daftykins> just about to call it
[05:44] <daftykins> broken again :<
[05:45] <zmoylan-pi> what's broken?
[05:45] <markp> ?:(
[05:46] <daftykins> my sleep schedule :D
[05:47] <zmoylan-pi> a very hard thing to fix
[05:48] <daftykins> indeed!
[05:48] <daftykins> especially with not much going on in winter time
[05:48] <daftykins> alright, i'm gonna head off... g'night gents \o
[05:48] <zmoylan-pi> sleep well
[05:49] <daftykins> ty!
[05:55] <mapps> gah cursor froze
[05:55] <mapps> stupid win8
[05:58] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the word stupid redundant when you say win8? :-)
[05:59] <mapps> :D
[06:04] <mapps> this itpl tennis has some funny rules
[06:04] <mapps> power point..reciever can chose one point per set to be worth double heh
[06:08] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of sportsball thing? or video game thereof? :-)
[06:09] <mapps> real play..tennis some new league
[06:09] <mapps> got some biug names in it
[06:19] <mapps> need some new bedtime comedies;d
[06:27] <zmoylan-pi> have you tried the bbc radio comedy cabin pressure?
[06:27] <mapps> nah never...whats it about?
[06:28] <mapps> and on iplayer?
[06:33] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have to get it other ways these days.  it stars cumberbatch of sherlock fame as a pilot in one plane airline.  very very funny.  25 episode over 4 series and last episode in a few weeks
[06:46] <mapps> night
[06:46] <mapps> off to sleep:)
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:45] <directhex> an ubuntu tablet. with spinning rust. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-ubutab-a-1tb-ubuntu-tablet-for-media-lovers
[08:49] <ali1234> $36000 for a one off production run at $290 per device?
[08:52] <MooDoo> there is this one as well i found this morning. - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-ubutab-a-1tb-ubuntu-tablet-for-media-lovers
[08:52] <MooDoo> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/imp-the-tiny-home-computer sorry this one
[08:53] <ali1234> >_<
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Make A Gift Day! :-D
[09:50] <zmoylan-pi> use the heaviest paper possible when wrapping and see if the statistics show more postman injured this year in deliveries
[09:52] <mjayk> Good morning JamesTait
[09:58] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait
[10:03] <JamesTait> mjayk, MooDoo: o/
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:42] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[10:44] <brobostigon> moringin zmoylan-pi
[11:02] <mjayk> hay ho sir
[11:11] <diddledan> popey, you asked me to ping you when https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/993837 occurs again. so ping.
[11:12] <popey> aha
[11:12] <popey> diddledan: do you have multiple screens?
[11:12] <diddledan> I do, yes
[11:12] <popey> using unity?
[11:12] <diddledan> yup
[11:13] <popey> if you click the update manager do you get a solid triangle to the left of it in the launcher?
[11:13] <popey> or an empty one?
[11:13] <diddledan> indeed I do
[11:13] <diddledan> a solid one
[11:13] <popey> can you alt-tab to it?
[11:14] <diddledan> it appears in the list but selecting it doesn't bring it to the fore
[11:14] <popey> ok
[11:14] <popey> alt-tab to it
[11:14] <popey> then ALT+space
[11:15] <popey> does a menu appear?
[11:15] <popey> and, if you alt-tab to it, then alt-space then (if menu appears) choose move, does the window appear?
[11:16] <diddledan> no, it leaves hexchat in the fore (the previously active window) and alt-space opens hexchat's menu (as proven by selecting minimize from the menu and having hexchat disappear)
[11:16] <popey> ok
[11:16] <popey> press Super + W, do you see the update manager window?
[11:17] <popey> if not, press Super + Shift + W and do you see it then?
[11:17] <diddledan> nope
[11:17] <diddledan> neither of those show it
[11:17] <popey> 14.04 or 14.10?
[11:17] <diddledan> 14.10
[11:18] <diddledan> I've seen it in successive releases though, but can't remember how far back it goes
[11:18] <popey> is it a particularly slow pc?
[11:18] <diddledan> not at all
[11:20] <popey> hmmmm
[11:26] <popey> diddledan: has your system got a high uptime?
[11:26] <popey> i.e. has unity been updated but not restarted for a while?
[11:26] <diddledan> 11:26:31 up 12:34,  2 users,  load average: 0.60, 0.46, 0.32
[11:26] <diddledan> I wouldn't consider that high
[11:27] <diddledan> but no updates have been applied since last reboot
[11:31] <popey> hmm
[11:32] <popey> Not sure then, sorry.
[11:32] <popey> I suspect bamf
[11:33]  * popey asks a desktop person
[11:49] <diddledan> doing my bit for the enemy: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531526
[11:49] <diddledan> o_O
[11:49] <diddledan> lubotu does gentoo buglinks?
[11:52] <shauno> I believe it does RH, so why not?
[11:52] <diddledan> because they're the enema
[11:52] <diddledan> :-p
[11:53] <shauno> bugs are the enemy :)
[11:53] <Myrtti> Is that the one I mentioned some days back?
[11:53] <shauno> I believe so
[11:53] <diddledan> Myrtti, yes
[12:15] <diddledan> Myrtti, popey, do you know whether the ubuntu security team aware of the openvpn vulnerability?
[12:15] <popey> they're on the usual lists
[12:15] <Myrtti> no idea, I've been concentrating on my own issues
[12:15] <popey> you can pop by #ubuntu-security
[12:15] <diddledan> it wasn't announced on a usual list IIRC
[12:24] <jpds> diddledan: Already released.
[12:25] <diddledan> thanks, jpds
[12:25] <jpds> diddledan: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2430-1/
[12:25] <diddledan> aah, yesterday
[12:26]  * jpds pats his IPsec connections instead.
[12:26] <diddledan> ipsec ftw
[12:26] <diddledan> I've always found it a pain to configure tho
[12:27] <jpds> diddledan: Not on Ubuntu, it isn't anymore.
[12:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:35] <bigcalm> intrbiz: ping
[12:56] <diddledan> pong
[12:56] <bigcalm> !ping
[12:56] <bigcalm> !ding
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> denny
[12:56] <bigcalm> !king
[12:56] <diddledan> !sing
[12:57] <diddledan> bah
[12:57] <diddledan> lubotu3, you suck
[13:01] <awilkins> The bot in *our* IRC channel hurls an obscenity at you if you tell it it sucks....
[13:01] <diddledan> awilkins, now that's a bot I can do business with!
[13:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: you need help
[13:08] <davmor2> also bigcalm marco
[13:09] <bigcalm> !marco
[13:09] <bigcalm> Hehe, yeah, that's missing
[13:41] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ivFpsmEVQ
[13:41] <diddledan> http://www.kitguru.net/channel/jon-martindale/say-goodbye-to-clip-art/
[13:45] <diddledan> directhex, that's awesome
[13:50] <diddledan> and now I get this as related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOZgQy8qrw
[14:05] <Safiyyah> Daftykins, Ali1234  are you around?
[14:09] <Safiyyah> Sandisk does not support Linux and their drivers in order to test the drive are only for Mac and Windows users because well apparently Linux allows user to change settings
[14:10] <Safiyyah> I think this is my first and last purchase of SanDisk
[14:10] <diddledan> Safiyyah, tell them the drive isn't recognised by the computer. it has nothing to do with linux
[14:12] <Safiyyah> Am so angry!
[14:12] <Safiyyah> They haven't got a clue about anything!
[14:12] <Safiyyah> They are telling me to try a different SATA cable
[14:13] <Safiyyah> Diddledan you know Samsung supports Linux.....  It was between this drive and a Samsung one and I chose this one.  £115 down the toilet!
[14:15] <intrbiz> Safiyyah: I'm intrigued, in what way does it not show up?
[14:17] <diddledan> intrbiz, it doesn't present a block device file in /dev - or rather it does for a few moments and then it disappears
[14:17] <diddledan> when using the drive on his booted system he gets system lockups
[14:18] <Safiyyah237> Diddledan I think we have to get the machine going in the meantime as Daftykins was saying last night.  This returns process will take 3 to 4 weeks.  I  have work to do
[14:18] <diddledan> we tried probing it with fdisk which reported it as being 600PB in size
[14:19] <intrbiz> right, that's a new one
[14:19] <diddledan> basically it's screwed
[14:19] <intrbiz> sounds like the disk hardware is fucked
[14:19] <diddledan> bingo
[14:20] <diddledan> but..
[14:20] <diddledan> !language
[14:20] <diddledan> :-p
[14:20] <Safiyyah237> Diddledan let me know if you have time to help me get the /root drive Corsair  going.  Because the OS is there but no home drive
[14:20] <intrbiz> my mate had a Samsung EV) 840 1TB, that died after less than a week, wouldn't how on the SATA bus at all, even to the controller
[14:20] <intrbiz> took about 4 weeks to get a replacement from Samsung
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> Daftykins said he would be back at night,  but this is a reality check that  I have to get the machine going in the meantime
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> OMG  I  was going to buy either the Samsung EVO Or this SanDisk X110
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> And decided on the SanDisk
[14:21] <Safiyyah237> Well at least Samsung  supports Linux
[14:22] <intrbiz> In what way do Samsun support Linux
[14:22] <Safiyyah237> Nothing more irritating than speaking to customer services who don't have a clue what to do
[14:22] <intrbiz> their fix tool for the 840 EV0 doesn't run on Linux
[14:22] <intrbiz> they provide a DOS boot iso
[14:22] <intrbiz> which crashes on AMD sata controllers
[14:22] <Safiyyah237> Ibtrbiz they have diagnostic tools that work for Linux users
[14:23] <intrbiz> right ok
[14:23] <Safiyyah237> Sandisk has nothing
[14:23] <Safiyyah237> Yes but then dos boot iso works on any platform
[14:23] <intrbiz> how old is it?
[14:24] <intrbiz> Safiyyah237: you'd think, but not so
[14:24] <intrbiz> lots of issues with, it had to be a CD and not a DVD and couldn't be USB, etc etc
[14:27] <Safiyyah237> Yeah I  have been unable to burn Ubuntu since the size grew to DVD size and I do prefer disks to USB....  So Cd not a bad thing. At least there is something that works
[14:30] <Safiyyah237> Diddledan be back in the evening again for stage two. Please.
[15:18] <diddledan> http://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/steve-wozniak-may-get-his-own-gadget-focused-reality-tv-show-1610819/
[15:25] <bashrc> more technology speculation. sounds like one to avoid
[15:25] <diddledan> it's woz, though!
[15:26] <bashrc> exactly
[15:27] <davmor2> diddledan: so there is 2 reasons to avoid it :)
[15:27] <diddledan> >.<
[15:28] <davmor2> diddledan: add to that the reality bit and I really don't want to know
[15:28] <diddledan> heh
[15:29] <diddledan> so linux networking - the linux bonding driver.. can I use that to double my throughput from a gigabit switch into a system with a pair of 10/100 NICs?
[15:31] <diddledan> i.e. my router is only 10/100 capable but I've got two internet connections dangled on the end which are aggregately more than the 10/100 throughput - so can I connect my lan-side via a bonded pair of 10/100's to allow the router to work at a speed more akin to the pair of internet connections combined?
[15:32] <diddledan> the load balancing on the internet side is already sorted via openwrt's thingy that does that
[15:32] <diddledan> (mwan3 according to the ui does the wan load balancing, so I just need the lan-side)
[15:56] <popey> hey chaps
[15:56] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TaoTronics-TT-BS003-Automatic-Sensing-Handheld/dp/B006LVO56W/
[15:56] <popey> that should work on linux?
[15:56] <popey> just a keyboard isn't it?
[16:04] <Daviey> popey: Hai.  I had one of those about 6 years ago.. it was indeed just a keyboard.
[16:04] <zmoylan-pi> the description mentions keyboard layouts so it's not trying to be fancy by the looks of it
[16:05] <popey> ta
[16:05] <Dave2> Operation System May NOT Compatible:
[16:06] <Dave2> - Blackberry Curves OS system / MacOS X versions
[16:14] <popey> haha
[17:21]  * isleofmandan met Mr S today. Nice chap.
[19:34] <abrams> hello :)
[19:47]  * DJones pokes Guest44253 with a new nickname
[20:40] <foobarry> is there an alternative touchpad driver i can use in the kernel?
[20:40] <foobarry> the one i have is rubbish
[20:44] <foobarry> GlidePoint Virtual Touchpad as /devices/virtual/input/input14
[20:44] <foobarry> AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input16
[21:06] <foobarry> hmm seem to have found a solution after 6 months of struggle
[21:06] <diddledan> \o/
[21:09] <foobarry> got a "new" psmouse-alps driver
[21:09] <foobarry> not sure what version the old one was
[21:10] <daftykins> tum te tum
[21:10] <daftykins> i see i missed our visitor
[21:11] <foobarry> i hide joins/quits
[21:14] <daftykins> nah i have highlights from backlog in my away log :>
[21:14] <diddledan> potentially not safe for children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skVxj-HYzew
[21:15] <daftykins> "diddledan: not safe for children" :D
[21:15]  * diddledan mutters something about shoving family friendly somewhere painful :-p
[21:15] <diddledan> daftykins, that makes me sound like a predator
[21:15] <foobarry> got sent to coventry today
[21:16] <foobarry> attending HPC conf
[21:16] <diddledan> foobarry, yey?
[21:16] <foobarry> got a red feodra from redhat :D
[21:16] <daftykins> diddledan: sorry, chap
[21:16] <daftykins> you're more of an... opportunist
[21:16] <daftykins> :>
[21:16] <diddledan> lol
[21:16] <foobarry> got some stickers for my son
[21:17] <daftykins> foobarry: did you ask what you're meant to do with it? is it cheap and nasty?
[21:17] <foobarry> soon he will have ubuntu and cray stickers on his scooter
[21:17] <foobarry> no, its a nice hat, very nice
[21:17] <daftykins> ooh
[21:17] <foobarry> "my other computer is a cray"
[21:17] <diddledan> my other computer is an abacus
[21:18] <daftykins> i think they missed a trick there
[21:18] <daftykins> "my other computer IS cray"
[21:18] <daftykins> eh? eh?
[21:18] <diddledan> thas craycray!
[21:19] <foobarry> got some special beer
[21:19] <foobarry> 7%
[21:19] <foobarry> will be giving it to a college
[21:19] <foobarry> colleague
[21:19] <diddledan> oh dear, we've turned into teenagers
[21:19] <daftykins> LOL a college
[21:19] <daftykins> that's perfect
[21:19] <diddledan> lol
[21:19] <daftykins> get some special brew, 9% iirc
[21:20] <daftykins> horrible stuff :P
[21:21] <foobarry> syrup
[21:22] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/CFb1m1o.jpg
[21:22] <daftykins> Skype is shameless on Windows, "make MSN my homepage"
[21:22] <daftykins> haha, no
[21:25] <foobarry>  https://twitter.com/SciComp_STFC/status/540094602230136833
[21:25] <foobarry> these red hats
[21:26] <diddledan> foobarry, I want one!
[21:26] <daftykins> wow, that carpet
[21:26] <diddledan> eek, that carpet
[21:26] <daftykins> do i see black hats beneath too?
[21:27] <foobarry> wow i never noticed the carpet
[21:27] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/SciComp_STFC/status/539394541338755072
[21:27] <foobarry> better pic
[21:27] <foobarry> this was at conventry city ground
[21:28] <foobarry> ah no daftykins they were thsirts
[21:29] <daftykins> ah ok
[22:17] <Safiyyah> Daftykins am here....  Are you?
[22:17] <daftykins> o/
[22:17] <daftykins> slightly merry though :>
[22:17] <daftykins> so few days for the return huh?
[22:17] <Safiyyah> Lol more like three weeks
[22:18] <daftykins> D:
[22:18] <Safiyyah> I  can't afford not to have a PC for that long
[22:18] <Safiyyah> So we will have to do what you suggested
[22:19] <Safiyyah> I  work from home,  and I just finished work 15 minutes ago.  No PC = no money coming in.
[22:20] <Safiyyah> I  thought it was just gonna be a week at the most.  So I  could use my phone for Skype etc and give excuses.  But that is just too long
[22:20] <Safiyyah> So do I  need to load a lives session now?
[22:20] <diddledan> why would you be without a pc?
[22:20] <diddledan> it's only one of two hdds
[22:21] <Safiyyah> Lol remember yesterday I had wanted to leave it as it.  Not to mess up the setup?
[22:22] <Safiyyah> Well I  thought I  would have been better off with the Samsung EVO but turn out not from the earlier conversation.  So looks like it's just your luck with these things
[22:22] <Safiyyah> Okay it's loading...  Give it a minute
[22:24] <daftykins> diddledan: need to create a /home on the SSD for /
[22:25] <daftykins> and adjust mounts
[22:26] <Safiyyah> Daftykins...  I  need to ascertain that when the replacement drive gets here,  I will just plug it in and come back to reset the /home to the new drive again?
[22:27] <Safiyyah> I  am online via Web as Safiyyah2
[22:27] <Safiyyah> Ready!
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> :
[22:28] <daftykins> guess i best stop playing games then!
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> lol
[22:28] <daftykins> so 12.04 booted is it?
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> yep
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> am on it
[22:28] <Safiyyah2> on the web, terminal fired up
[22:29] <Safiyyah2> I don't know if it is relevant, but my OS is Xubuntu
[22:29] <daftykins> eww never seen milk form a skin atop tea before o0
[22:29] <Safiyyah2> lol daftykins.... thats what it's supposed to do. Maybe you drink your tea with lots of water
[22:29] <daftykins> last time i think we were getting errors from "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> and this time you put more milk
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> it is normal
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> shall I re-run that command?
[22:30] <daftykins> it was all wrinkled!
[22:30] <daftykins> yep
[22:30] <Safiyyah2> daftykins, its meant to wrinkle
[22:31] <daftykins> with any luck it'll play ball today
[22:31] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9358354/
[22:31] <Safiyyah2> Same as last night!!!
[22:32] <daftykins> oh my word
[22:32] <daftykins> oh yeah did you run memtest overnight?
[22:32] <Safiyyah2> yes, no errors were found
[22:32] <Safiyyah2> it passed
[22:33] <daftykins> well that's something at least
[22:33] <Safiyyah2> It looks like I will be having to do a clean install, like it or not :(
[22:33] <Safiyyah2> and I had everything just right :(
[22:34] <daftykins> does seem pretty odd that both of these drives are unhappy
[22:34] <Safiyyah2> you know one suggestion for the software centre is that when you log in, it gives a list for the applications you have downloaded in the past
[22:34] <diddledan> they're both dead?!
[22:35] <Safiyyah2> well, this one isn't under Warranty.... it's passed warranty!
[22:35] <Safiyyah2> lol
[22:35] <daftykins> can do you a "sudo parted -l" and confirm sda1 is ext4?
[22:36] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9358446/
[22:36] <Safiyyah2> yes it is ext 4
[22:37] <daftykins> so the thing is now, we could mess around for an hour or two and maybe still not be the wiser... or you could just clean install atop it
[22:37] <daftykins> tough call really
[22:38] <diddledan> have you got another pc you can try the discs in to determine whether the fault is on the ata controller or endemic to the discs themselves?
[22:38] <daftykins> nope.
[22:38] <diddledan> dang
[22:38] <diddledan> this is why pc-kleptomania serves me well
[22:38] <Safiyyah2> nope
[22:39] <Safiyyah2> what is the ata controller?
[22:39] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smartmontools"
[22:39] <daftykins> the thing that provides the SATA ports on the motherboard
[22:39] <daftykins> "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda"
[22:39] <ahayzen> Hey, folks i'm on utopic and i've been having unity freezing for at least 30s randomly (twice today) and a few other times this week... i just checked dmesg and this is the output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9358472/ .. does this look bad?
[22:39] <diddledan> daftykins, that's smart :-p
[22:40] <daftykins> diddledan: hmm? do shout if you think any of my ideas are silly
[22:40] <daftykins> i'm a tad tipsy
[22:40] <diddledan> daftykins, no, I mean checking smartmontools is a smart idea
[22:40] <diddledan> smart.
[22:40] <diddledan> </attempted humour>
[22:41] <Safiyyah2> diddledan So now the issue is whether it's the board/harddrive?
[22:41] <daftykins> diddledan: ok i did think so, just checking ;)
[22:41] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: yeah that's diddledan's thinking.
[22:41] <Safiyyah2> smart tools installed
[22:41] <Safiyyah2> remember yesterday it refused
[22:41] <daftykins> yeah that was with the definitely wonky disk connected though
[22:42] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: maybe after those last two commands it wouldn't hurt to remove the funky power connector you mentioned and just use the SATA power connectors from the PSU direct
[22:42] <Safiyyah2> hard disk drive prices down by 40% since September (already!!) is this how it goes?
[22:42] <daftykins> at least i think that's what you mentioned
[22:42] <diddledan> ahayzen, I'd ubuntu-bug it
[22:42] <ahayzen> diddledan, ubuntu bug which component? and there is no crash log
[22:42] <Safiyyah2> daftykins this HDD has regular connectors.
[22:42] <ahayzen> *crash file
[22:43] <Safiyyah2> the funky one was with the new drive
[22:43] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: just to be clear, don't call an SSD an HDD :) it confuses my poor little brain
[22:43] <Safiyyah2> sorry
[22:43] <daftykins> :D
[22:43] <Safiyyah2> this SSD, has normal connectors. one SATA and one power
[22:43] <daftykins> ahayzen: i spy a Nexus 4 owner, have you put Lollipop on yet? ;) i'm ignoring it for now
[22:44] <ahayzen> daftykins, ...  Ubuntu Touch  sorry
[22:44] <daftykins> ah ok
[22:44] <daftykins> you're brave.
[22:44] <ahayzen> its my daily phone :)
[22:44] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: ah ok, i thought you said something about a Y cable of some sort
[22:44] <ahayzen> and i'm on the proposed channel thats living life on the edge lol
[22:45] <Safiyyah2> daftykins, yes for the SSD that is dead.
[22:45] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: did smartctl run?
[22:45] <daftykins> "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda"
[22:45] <Safiyyah2> daftykins, I installed the software
[22:46] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9358541/
[22:46] <Safiyyah2> :( bad news
[22:47] <diddledan> I smell a wonky ata chip
[22:47] <daftykins> what on earth
[22:47] <daftykins> that's not good, Safiyyah2 only changed motherboard a bit ago
[22:47] <diddledan> wonky cable?
[22:47] <daftykins> well i did enquire as to a reseat yesterday
[22:48] <daftykins> Safiyyah2: haven't got any other SATA cables lying around have you?
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> i have spare SATA cable
[22:48] <diddledan> try it
[22:48] <diddledan> also try different ports on the mobo
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> okay
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> gonna power down
[22:48] <Safiyyah2> am on the phone still
[22:48]  * diddledan gives daftykins a mobo award
[22:49] <daftykins> diddledan: will i earn the full set before christmas :(
[22:49] <daftykins> guess peeps can't come online to have me tell them their PSU is dead ;)
[22:52] <ahayzen> diddledan, ok so it actually looks a bit like this bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64431
[22:52] <diddledan> ahayzen, try filing the issue against "linux"
[22:53] <diddledan> that does sound related, yes
[22:53] <ahayzen> diddledan, thanks i'll report a bug anyway :)
[22:54] <daftykins> mindblowing when even intel drivers aren't stable, to me
[22:54] <daftykins> ahayzen: is that system76 on the latest BIOS and what not?
[22:54] <ahayzen> daftykins, erm i haven't flashed the BIOS so its what it came with
[22:54] <daftykins> have a glance at whether their support page offers any updates, can't hurt to see
[22:55] <daftykins> i doubt they normally touch intel graphics issues but eh, costs nothing :)
[22:55] <ahayzen> daftykins, i never had trusty freeze its only recently on utopic it seems to be freezing ... and i have their drivers package installed
[22:55] <diddledan> I've seen intel employees on the lkml suggesting that something be hacked around in the kernel source because they can't work out how the gfx is supposed to behave
[22:55] <daftykins> haha
[22:55] <daftykins> that's nasty
[22:56]  * ahayzen wonders if icedtea-7-plugin or running Firefox nightly is related
[22:56] <daftykins> hehe
[22:56] <diddledan> I mean, intel employees, working on intel-released code for running intel designed chips. and they can't make it work.
[22:56] <daftykins> all i've seen with utopic is constant upgrade woes :)
[22:57] <Safiyyah> Moved the cables round and now it won't boot from cd....  It's boots straight onto OS,  which says there is no /home.....  As expected
[22:57] <Safiyyah> Just gonna check I didn't knock any cables out
[22:57] <diddledan> surely if it works in windows drivers by intel then there must be a way of getting it to work in linux drivers by intel
[22:57] <daftykins> unless something in the kernel is *gasp* amiss
[22:58] <diddledan> in which case fix that rather than disabling the function in the driver which clashes
[22:59] <Safiyyah> My computer is making some serious noises.....   Dammit!
[22:59] <diddledan> cable mashing against a fan?
[23:00] <Safiyyah> Nope
[23:01] <Safiyyah> But the actual DVD drive sounds like a tractor
[23:01] <Safiyyah> Am going to restart
[23:01] <ahayzen> daftykins, diddledan, thanks for your help, i've reported a bug, removed icedtea and i'm going to not run the nightly for a bit to see if that stops the freezes
[23:01] <Safiyyah> I  just bought that DVD drive
[23:01] <daftykins> np!
[23:02] <diddledan> yeah that can't be broken as well as two SSDs
[23:02] <diddledan> something else is at play here than the discs dying
[23:02] <Safiyyah> Okay it's stopped the noise
[23:02] <daftykins> \o/
[23:03] <Safiyyah> And the disk is loading
[23:03] <diddledan> mm cookies
[23:03] <diddledan> mm'fashnik
[23:03] <Safiyyah> Oh I want junk food diddledan
[23:03] <Safiyyah> All this stress = time to eat
[23:03] <diddledan> not muh'fashnik like muh cookies, but mm'fashnik like mm cookies.
[23:04] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZXNxFAUAaE
[23:04] <diddledan> \o/ buffy
[23:08] <Safiyyah> Is it possible for the live disk to hang?
[23:08] <daftykins> yip
[23:09] <daftykins> booting from optical media is so 2004 :(
[23:11] <Safiyyah> We can remedy that.  I  have Kubuntu 14.04 on my external drive and an available USB stick.  When it loads up again we can make a startup disk
[23:12] <Safiyyah> We can char 1 sum it
[23:12] <Safiyyah> Hello!  It's has refused to boot up completely
[23:13] <daftykins> how rude
[23:13] <daftykins> err, must we mix ubuntu variants? XD
[23:13] <daftykins> might as well mooch xubuntu proper ;)
[23:14] <Safiyyah> Lol its agreed on the fourth attempt let's hope it doesn't hang
[23:14] <Safiyyah> I  will run the tests again but make the bootable USB as well
[23:15] <Safiyyah> I  will need help because  it is on an external drive....   I  can never work out the path/ directory for USB drives
[23:15] <Safiyyah> On the command line
[23:17] <daftykins> should be pretty graphical these days on plugging it in,i'd have thought
[23:20] <Safiyyah> It's hang again
[23:21] <Safiyyah> Okay I have pangolin and hardy
[23:21] <Safiyyah> Don't know what else to di
[23:23] <Safiyyah> Okay I  have disks of Oneiric,  natty,  lucid
[23:23] <Safiyyah> Which knew do you want?
[23:23] <Safiyyah> And still have fedora
[23:23] <daftykins> so what's the disk config right now? new cable on the SSD?
[23:24] <Safiyyah> Yep and moved it to SATA port 4
[23:24] <daftykins> how many are on the board total, 6?
[23:24] <Safiyyah> It says i/o error Dev sr0 sector 1287208
[23:24] <Safiyyah> I have four
[23:25] <daftykins> do you have a Linux on a flash drive at all at the moment?
[23:26] <Safiyyah> Nope
[23:26] <daftykins> so i suppose i'd be tempted to pull the SSD entirely, boot the 12.04 CD then download a 14.04.1 image to your external hard disk
[23:26] <Safiyyah> Okay
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Already have 1404 on my external hard disk
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Just need to get to it
[23:27] <daftykins> but kubuntu?
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Yes
[23:27] <Safiyyah> Kubuntu
[23:27] <daftykins> hmm, well booting 12.04 seems challenging enough atm
[23:28] <daftykins> so that's step 1 regardless
[23:30] <Safiyyah> Am trying one last time
[23:37] <daftykins> Daft Punk - One More Time <o/ \o>
[23:38] <Safiyyah> Am inclined to think there is an issue with the board
[23:38] <Safiyyah> No luck
[23:38] <Safiyyah> Loading Oneiric
[23:38] <daftykins> no point trying different versions imo
[23:40] <Safiyyah> I can't just leave it now
[23:40] <Safiyyah> I have to try another disk
[23:41] <Safiyyah> Then and only then will I believe what is happening is happening
[23:41] <Safiyyah> Sorry
[23:41] <daftykins> i wonder what tipped it off its' rocker this time
[23:41] <Safiyyah> Lol its got a mind of its own
[23:42] <daftykins> oh they all do for certain
[23:42] <daftykins> isn't it still an old LGA775 setup you're running there? the older intel socket
[23:42] <Safiyyah> The last system crash I had about 2  and a half year ago was crazy like this as well
[23:42] <daftykins> :(
[23:42] <Safiyyah> No idea but it's a dial core 2
[23:43] <Safiyyah> Dual*
[23:43] <Safiyyah> Its has four pins with screws on top
[23:43] <daftykins> intel core 2 duo, yeah sounds like LGA775 then
[23:43] <daftykins> for the heatsink, yeah pretty standard across many generations
[23:43] <Safiyyah> Yeah
[23:44] <Safiyyah> Daftykins if this doesn't work,  as think I have to go to a friends house tomorrow and make a startup  USB,  I  have no further solutions
[23:45] <Safiyyah> Okay so it logged in and then gave me a black screen.
[23:45] <daftykins> had you posted off the other SSD yet?
[23:46] <Safiyyah> NO
[23:46] <daftykins> i'd probably get them tested elsewhere, in a shop if need be
[23:46] <Safiyyah> Something is happening....  Purple screen is up...  Hopefully the menu shows
[23:47] <Safiyyah> Both of them?
[23:47] <Safiyyah> Which shoo does that....  PC world.
[23:47] <diddledan> wow, wikipedia went for "in your face" donation requests!
[23:48] <daftykins> Safiyyah: yeah, just work your charm on any staff :P
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Lol
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Hardly would work
[23:48] <daftykins> though they may need to be warned not to look for NTFS as if it were Windows
[23:48] <diddledan> daftykins, that's n0rty!
[23:48] <daftykins> diddledan: oh dear that time again? :(
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Lol
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Erm.  I  think the board is dead
[23:48] <Safiyyah> Personally
[23:49] <Safiyyah> How about powering down and putting everything back in its original socket?
[23:49] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt, yeah
[23:49] <Safiyyah> Okay
[23:50] <daftykins> definitely seen enough errors so far to see the kernel crying away trying to use most things
[23:50] <daftykins> Safiyyah: in fact i have a slight plan O_.
[23:50] <daftykins> i figure the install on that SSD is going to freeze up still, but it might be worth trying
[23:56] <Safiyyah> I have given up Daftykins
[23:57] <Safiyyah> I  think now it's a case of get the USB done......  Test the hard disk.  Prepare to buy a new board and possibly HDD
[23:57] <Safiyyah> Okay we are up and running
[23:58] <Safiyyah> So moving the main drive to SATA 4 is what caused the problem
[23:58] <daftykins> bit weird
[23:59] <Safiyyah> Okay got my external drive and USB stick plugged in
[23:59] <daftykins> what's booted?