| cmaloney | _stink_: Other than WOW? | 01:02 |
|---|---|---|
| cmaloney | Because I'm happy with them | 01:03 |
| _stink_ | cmaloney: yeah, i was thinking of adding it onto my existing access through at&t | 01:06 |
| _stink_ | keeping the POTS line because my wife 'wants' it (inexplicably) | 01:06 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I know | 01:07 |
| _stink_ | but then getting a voip line, putting asterisk on my home POTS line, and using the voip outbound to bounce out through, say to my cell | 01:07 |
| _stink_ | i presume with WOW it's 'residential phon'e but technially voip? | 01:07 |
| _stink_ | c | 01:07 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 01:09 |
| _stink_ | ok | 01:09 |
| cmaloney | Basically it's part of the cablemodem | 01:09 |
| _stink_ | well i guess AT&T uverse is doing that too? | 01:09 |
| _stink_ | thos lines are kind of blurred. | 01:09 |
| cmaloney | I'd think so | 01:10 |
| cmaloney | IIRC they're looking to get rid of copper to the house as much as they can | 01:10 |
| cmaloney | since it's all VOIP anyway. | 01:10 |
| _stink_ | and fiber doesn't sell by the pound for scrap :P | 01:11 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: took me years to get rid of that | 01:26 |
| rick_h_ | went to voip for a while, but then cancelled it and it was nearly 1yr before she asked about it | 01:26 |
| _stink_ | so you just have cell phones now, rick_h_? | 01:28 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: yea | 01:29 |
| rick_h_ | finally convinved her that she used it twice in a 6mo period and got her to go all cell a few years ago | 01:29 |
| rick_h_ | I used broadvoice for the VOIP stuff for that year | 01:29 |
| _stink_ | was broadvoice ok? | 01:30 |
| _stink_ | maybe you didn't actually use it that much. | 01:30 |
| rick_h_ | yea, used it a few times. | 01:30 |
| rick_h_ | it was ok, but kind of a pita. Had to put it outside he router and such. | 01:31 |
| rick_h_ | and then get normal phones, did a wireless phone setup but then never used it so just ended up throwing it all out | 01:31 |
| rick_h_ | no one wants the stuff | 01:31 |
| cmaloney | Funny that, I have a wireless phone system in the house | 01:32 |
| cmaloney | :) | 01:32 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 01:32 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, if I trusted our cell service better I might switch over completely to cell | 01:33 |
| cmaloney | and just get one of those cell converters for the home phone ysstem | 01:33 |
| rick_h_ | it's why erica is on verizon. best coverage and such for her calls | 01:33 |
| cmaloney | since it is nice to have land-line phones in the house. | 01:33 |
| rick_h_ | we hated it, she always made calls from her cell since it's always with her. | 01:33 |
| rick_h_ | going and getting/finding the house phone was more work, dealing with finding phone numbers, syncing them, she'd use her phone to google maps a place and then call straight from phone | 01:34 |
| _stink_ | Erin's mostly worried about emergency calling by the kids | 01:34 |
| rick_h_ | using a house phone just doesn't seem to fit most stuff | 01:34 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I'd have to convince JoDee that her dad can call her cell | 01:34 |
| cmaloney | or whatever number we'd get from Ting | 01:34 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: what's that with your house having the land line though? Your kids would be home and call you? | 01:34 |
| cmaloney | or I can pay $30 extra a month on the INternet bill | 01:35 |
| cmaloney | which is not that bad. :) | 01:35 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 01:35 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: yeah when they're older but not having a cell phone... more acutely she dreams of a scenario where they are home with one parent and that parent gets injured | 01:35 |
| _stink_ | and kid can't call 911 | 01:35 |
| cmaloney | That scares the crap out of JoDee | 01:35 |
| cmaloney | the whole 911 scenario | 01:36 |
| _stink_ | yeah, adn that 911 via cell is bad. | 01:36 |
| _stink_ | so she says. | 01:36 |
| rick_h_ | huh? the 911 thing works and they can even get geo data I thought now | 01:36 |
| _stink_ | i don't know either way. | 01:36 |
| cmaloney | I think 10 years ago it was awful | 01:36 |
| rick_h_ | heh, "text daddy from your leapfrog that I've fallen and I can't get up!" | 01:36 |
| _stink_ | these beliefs are not necessarily based in fact. | 01:36 |
| _stink_ | haha | 01:36 |
| _stink_ | yes | 01:36 |
| cmaloney | but since the cell numbers have been rising theygot their shit together | 01:37 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: you have neighbors too right, that the kids know? | 01:37 |
| _stink_ | oh yes. | 01:37 |
| _stink_ | just my thought. | 01:37 |
| cmaloney | "I'll get help Daddy but first I have to watch this ad on Skype" | 01:37 |
| cmaloney | (blew my mind that Skype on Windows has ads now) | 01:38 |
| _stink_ | maybe at&t made an ad buy on skype | 01:38 |
| cmaloney | Nah, it was American Express / Juicy Fruit gum | 01:38 |
| _stink_ | haha | 01:39 |
| cmaloney | not terribly intrusuve (eg: Your call brought to you by gum) | 01:39 |
| cmaloney | But still annoying | 01:39 |
| _stink_ | looks like broadvoice sends you hardware. i was really hoping for a more barebones provider | 01:39 |
| _stink_ | that is cheaper and assumes you bring your own SIP client | 01:39 |
| cmaloney | _stink_: You'll have to roll your own | 01:39 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20140707/NEWS08/140709882/four-in-10-u-s-homes-are-cell-phone-only intresting I'd have thought it was higher | 01:39 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: 50+ haven't converted yet | 01:40 |
| rick_h_ | not that it's not converted, but haven't given up the land line | 01:40 |
| cmaloney | my mom is determined that Obama isn't taking her (shitty) land line | 01:40 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 01:40 |
| cmaloney | She's scared that if my dad moves from DSL that it'll fuck things up so they'll be (insert inexplicable scenario where they'll get worse service than they do now) | 01:41 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-911-services | 01:41 |
| rick_h_ | equire wireless service providers to provide more precise location information to PSAPs; specifically, the latitude and longitude of the caller. This information must be accurate to within 50 to 300 meters depending upon the type of location technology used. | 01:41 |
| cmaloney | which is why some VOIP folks say "don't use this for 911" | 01:42 |
| cmaloney | eg: Skype, Hangouts | 01:42 |
| cmaloney | Not sure if they'll go so far as to not complete the call though | 01:42 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/e911-compliance-faqs/ | 01:43 |
| cmaloney | "My phone says GPS. What does that mean? Can other people or government agencies see where I'm located?" | 01:44 |
| cmaloney | We plan to support Wi-Fi voice calling in the future. For now, if you use a third party s downloaded app for Wi-Fi Calling it may not allow 911 calls, or may require you to register a street address to route the 911 call and provide the emergency call taker with your location. You ll need to review a third party s policies to determine whether or how it provides 911 dialing and E911 service. | 01:45 |
| cmaloney | (was for 911 over wifi) | 01:45 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, they've made some strides to get 911 working well | 01:46 |
| brousch_ | _stink_: Get your kid a cell phone! | 13:29 |
| _stink_ | here, son, your own phone. oh and let me show you yik yak | 13:33 |
| brousch_ | Everyone has hangouts | 13:59 |
| ColonelPanic001 | urg | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | Hangouts are not a substitute for the phone | 14:57 |
| cmaloney | especially for less-technically-inclined relatives. | 14:57 |
| ColonelPanic001 | silence is a great substitute for the phone | 15:18 |
| cmaloney | ColonelPanic001: Well, obviously | 15:26 |
| cmaloney | or typing on IRC. | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | Too bad emergency services don't understand how to use IRC. | 15:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ./j #911 | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | heh | 15:28 |
| _stink_ | #911 ... do you think all the dispatchers just idle with screen detached? | 16:25 |
| cmaloney | http://www.jamesward.com/2014/12/03/java-doesnt-suck-youre-just-using-it-wrong | 16:37 |
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| akelling | Everyone know java sucks | 16:42 |
| cmaloney | Well I love that the article doesn't offer too many solutions for removing the suck. | 16:43 |
| cmaloney | Basically "adopt this other framework that doesn't suck as much" | 16:44 |
| jrwren | related: http://yakovfain.com/2013/02/08/java-is-better-than-javascript/ | 16:47 |
| jrwren | and remember, that is proven fact, "Until now. Though." https://medium.com/cool-code-pal/how-node-js-is-going-to-replace-javascript-cf72b588b1b | 16:47 |
| jrwren | oh man, I just totally wrote off that post, now i notice its by James Ward. OOPS. | 16:48 |
| cmaloney | http://www.theonion.com/articles/fatherinlaw-think-tank-issues-comprehensive-onesen,37573/ | 20:57 |
| _stink_ | haha | 21:01 |
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