[01:02] _stink_: Other than WOW? [01:03] Because I'm happy with them [01:06] <_stink_> cmaloney: yeah, i was thinking of adding it onto my existing access through at&t [01:06] <_stink_> keeping the POTS line because my wife 'wants' it (inexplicably) [01:07] Yeah, I know [01:07] <_stink_> but then getting a voip line, putting asterisk on my home POTS line, and using the voip outbound to bounce out through, say to my cell [01:07] <_stink_> i presume with WOW it's 'residential phon'e but technially voip? [01:07] <_stink_> c [01:09] Yeah [01:09] <_stink_> ok [01:09] Basically it's part of the cablemodem [01:09] <_stink_> well i guess AT&T uverse is doing that too? [01:09] <_stink_> thos lines are kind of blurred. [01:10] I'd think so [01:10] IIRC they're looking to get rid of copper to the house as much as they can [01:10] since it's all VOIP anyway. [01:11] <_stink_> and fiber doesn't sell by the pound for scrap :P [01:26] _stink_: took me years to get rid of that [01:26] went to voip for a while, but then cancelled it and it was nearly 1yr before she asked about it [01:28] <_stink_> so you just have cell phones now, rick_h_? [01:29] _stink_: yea [01:29] finally convinved her that she used it twice in a 6mo period and got her to go all cell a few years ago [01:29] I used broadvoice for the VOIP stuff for that year [01:30] <_stink_> was broadvoice ok? [01:30] <_stink_> maybe you didn't actually use it that much. [01:30] yea, used it a few times. [01:31] it was ok, but kind of a pita. Had to put it outside he router and such. [01:31] and then get normal phones, did a wireless phone setup but then never used it so just ended up throwing it all out [01:31] no one wants the stuff [01:32] Funny that, I have a wireless phone system in the house [01:32] :) [01:32] :) [01:33] But yeah, if I trusted our cell service better I might switch over completely to cell [01:33] and just get one of those cell converters for the home phone ysstem [01:33] it's why erica is on verizon. best coverage and such for her calls [01:33] since it is nice to have land-line phones in the house. [01:33] we hated it, she always made calls from her cell since it's always with her. [01:34] going and getting/finding the house phone was more work, dealing with finding phone numbers, syncing them, she'd use her phone to google maps a place and then call straight from phone [01:34] <_stink_> Erin's mostly worried about emergency calling by the kids [01:34] using a house phone just doesn't seem to fit most stuff [01:34] Yeah, I'd have to convince JoDee that her dad can call her cell [01:34] or whatever number we'd get from Ting [01:34] _stink_: what's that with your house having the land line though? Your kids would be home and call you? [01:35] or I can pay $30 extra a month on the INternet bill [01:35] which is not that bad. :) [01:35] :) [01:35] <_stink_> rick_h_: yeah when they're older but not having a cell phone... more acutely she dreams of a scenario where they are home with one parent and that parent gets injured [01:35] <_stink_> and kid can't call 911 [01:35] That scares the crap out of JoDee [01:36] the whole 911 scenario [01:36] <_stink_> yeah, adn that 911 via cell is bad. [01:36] <_stink_> so she says. [01:36] huh? the 911 thing works and they can even get geo data I thought now [01:36] <_stink_> i don't know either way. [01:36] I think 10 years ago it was awful [01:36] heh, "text daddy from your leapfrog that I've fallen and I can't get up!" [01:36] <_stink_> these beliefs are not necessarily based in fact. [01:36] <_stink_> haha [01:36] <_stink_> yes [01:37] but since the cell numbers have been rising theygot their shit together [01:37] _stink_: you have neighbors too right, that the kids know? [01:37] <_stink_> oh yes. [01:37] <_stink_> just my thought. [01:37] "I'll get help Daddy but first I have to watch this ad on Skype" [01:38] (blew my mind that Skype on Windows has ads now) [01:38] <_stink_> maybe at&t made an ad buy on skype [01:38] Nah, it was American Express / Juicy Fruit gum [01:39] <_stink_> haha [01:39] not terribly intrusuve (eg: Your call brought to you by gum) [01:39] But still annoying [01:39] <_stink_> looks like broadvoice sends you hardware. i was really hoping for a more barebones provider [01:39] <_stink_> that is cheaper and assumes you bring your own SIP client [01:39] _stink_: You'll have to roll your own [01:39] http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20140707/NEWS08/140709882/four-in-10-u-s-homes-are-cell-phone-only intresting I'd have thought it was higher [01:40] rick_h_: 50+ haven't converted yet [01:40] not that it's not converted, but haven't given up the land line [01:40] my mom is determined that Obama isn't taking her (shitty) land line [01:40] lol [01:41] She's scared that if my dad moves from DSL that it'll fuck things up so they'll be (insert inexplicable scenario where they'll get worse service than they do now) [01:41] http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-911-services [01:41] equire wireless service providers to provide more precise location information to PSAPs; specifically, the latitude and longitude of the caller. This information must be accurate to within 50 to 300 meters depending upon the type of location technology used. [01:42] which is why some VOIP folks say "don't use this for 911" [01:42] eg: Skype, Hangouts [01:42] Not sure if they'll go so far as to not complete the call though [01:43] http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/e911-compliance-faqs/ [01:44] "My phone says GPS. What does that mean? Can other people or government agencies see where I'm located?" [01:45] We plan to support Wi-Fi voice calling in the future. For now, if you use a third party s downloaded app for Wi-Fi Calling it may not allow 911 calls, or may require you to register a street address to route the 911 call and provide the emergency call taker with your location. You ll need to review a third party s policies to determine whether or how it provides 911 dialing and E911 service. [01:45] (was for 911 over wifi) [01:46] Yeah, they've made some strides to get 911 working well [13:29] _stink_: Get your kid a cell phone! [13:33] <_stink_> here, son, your own phone. oh and let me show you yik yak [13:59] Everyone has hangouts [14:54] urg [14:57] Hangouts are not a substitute for the phone [14:57] especially for less-technically-inclined relatives. [15:18] silence is a great substitute for the phone [15:26] ColonelPanic001: Well, obviously [15:27] or typing on IRC. [15:27] Too bad emergency services don't understand how to use IRC. [15:27] ./j #911 [15:28] heh [16:25] <_stink_> #911 ... do you think all the dispatchers just idle with screen detached? [16:37] http://www.jamesward.com/2014/12/03/java-doesnt-suck-youre-just-using-it-wrong === greg-g is now known as Guest65365 [16:42] Everyone know java sucks [16:43] Well I love that the article doesn't offer too many solutions for removing the suck. [16:44] Basically "adopt this other framework that doesn't suck as much" [16:47] related: http://yakovfain.com/2013/02/08/java-is-better-than-javascript/ [16:47] and remember, that is proven fact, "Until now. Though." https://medium.com/cool-code-pal/how-node-js-is-going-to-replace-javascript-cf72b588b1b [16:48] oh man, I just totally wrote off that post, now i notice its by James Ward. OOPS. [20:57] http://www.theonion.com/articles/fatherinlaw-think-tank-issues-comprehensive-onesen,37573/ [21:01] <_stink_> haha