[01:02] <cmaloney> _stink_: Other than WOW?
[01:03] <cmaloney> Because I'm happy with them
[01:06] <_stink_> cmaloney: yeah, i was thinking of adding it onto my existing access through at&t
[01:06] <_stink_> keeping the POTS line because my wife 'wants' it (inexplicably)
[01:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, I know
[01:07] <_stink_> but then getting a voip line, putting asterisk on my home POTS line, and using the voip outbound to bounce out through, say to my cell
[01:07] <_stink_> i presume with WOW it's 'residential phon'e but technially voip?
[01:07] <_stink_> c
[01:09] <cmaloney> Yeah
[01:09] <_stink_> ok
[01:09] <cmaloney> Basically it's part of the cablemodem
[01:09] <_stink_> well i guess AT&T uverse is doing that too?
[01:09] <_stink_> thos lines are kind of blurred.
[01:10] <cmaloney> I'd think so
[01:10] <cmaloney> IIRC they're looking to get rid of copper to the house as much as they can
[01:10] <cmaloney> since it's all VOIP anyway.
[01:11] <_stink_> and fiber doesn't sell by the pound for scrap :P
[01:26] <rick_h_> _stink_: took me years to get rid of that
[01:26] <rick_h_> went to voip for a while, but then cancelled it and it was nearly 1yr before she asked about it
[01:28] <_stink_> so you just have cell phones now, rick_h_?
[01:29] <rick_h_> _stink_: yea
[01:29] <rick_h_> finally convinved her that she used it twice in a 6mo period and got her to go all cell a few years ago
[01:29] <rick_h_> I used broadvoice for the VOIP stuff for that year
[01:30] <_stink_> was broadvoice ok?
[01:30] <_stink_> maybe you didn't actually use it that much.
[01:30] <rick_h_> yea, used it a few times.
[01:31] <rick_h_> it was ok, but kind of a pita. Had to put it outside he router and such.
[01:31] <rick_h_> and then get normal phones, did a wireless phone setup but then never used it so just ended up throwing it all out
[01:31] <rick_h_> no one wants the stuff
[01:32] <cmaloney> Funny that, I have a wireless phone system in the house
[01:32] <cmaloney> :)
[01:32] <rick_h_> :)
[01:33] <cmaloney> But yeah, if I trusted our cell service better I might switch over completely to cell
[01:33] <cmaloney> and just get one of those cell converters for the home phone ysstem
[01:33] <rick_h_> it's why erica is on verizon. best coverage and such for her calls
[01:33] <cmaloney> since it is nice to have land-line phones in the house.
[01:33] <rick_h_> we hated it, she always made calls from her cell since it's always with her.
[01:34] <rick_h_> going and getting/finding the house phone was more work, dealing with finding phone numbers, syncing them, she'd use her phone to google maps a place and then call straight from phone
[01:34] <_stink_> Erin's mostly worried about emergency calling by the kids
[01:34] <rick_h_> using a house phone just doesn't seem to fit most stuff
[01:34] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'd have to convince JoDee that her dad can call her cell
[01:34] <cmaloney> or whatever number we'd get from Ting
[01:34] <rick_h_> _stink_: what's that with your house having the land line though? Your kids would be home and call you?
[01:35] <cmaloney> or I can pay $30 extra a month on the INternet bill
[01:35] <cmaloney> which is not that bad. :)
[01:35] <rick_h_> :)
[01:35] <_stink_> rick_h_: yeah when they're older but not having a cell phone... more acutely she dreams of a scenario where they are home with one parent and that parent gets injured
[01:35] <_stink_> and kid can't call 911
[01:35] <cmaloney> That scares the crap out of JoDee
[01:36] <cmaloney> the whole 911 scenario
[01:36] <_stink_> yeah, adn that 911 via cell is bad.
[01:36] <_stink_> so she says.
[01:36] <rick_h_> huh? the 911 thing works and they can even get geo data I thought now
[01:36] <_stink_> i don't know either way.
[01:36] <cmaloney> I think 10 years ago it was awful
[01:36] <rick_h_> heh, "text daddy from your leapfrog that I've fallen and I can't get up!"
[01:36] <_stink_> these beliefs are not necessarily based in fact.
[01:36] <_stink_> haha
[01:36] <_stink_> yes
[01:37] <cmaloney> but since the cell numbers have been rising theygot their shit together
[01:37] <rick_h_> _stink_: you have neighbors too right, that the kids know?
[01:37] <_stink_> oh yes.
[01:37] <_stink_> just my thought.
[01:37] <cmaloney> "I'll get help Daddy but first I have to watch this ad on Skype"
[01:38] <cmaloney> (blew my mind that Skype on Windows has ads now)
[01:38] <_stink_> maybe at&t made an ad buy on skype
[01:38] <cmaloney> Nah, it was American Express / Juicy Fruit gum
[01:39] <_stink_> haha
[01:39] <cmaloney> not terribly intrusuve (eg: Your call brought to you by gum)
[01:39] <cmaloney> But still annoying
[01:39] <_stink_> looks like broadvoice sends you hardware.  i was really hoping for a more barebones provider
[01:39] <_stink_> that is cheaper and assumes you bring your own SIP client
[01:39] <cmaloney> _stink_: You'll have to roll your own
[01:39] <rick_h_> http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20140707/NEWS08/140709882/four-in-10-u-s-homes-are-cell-phone-only intresting I'd have thought it was higher
[01:40] <cmaloney> rick_h_: 50+ haven't converted yet
[01:40] <rick_h_> not that it's not converted, but haven't given up the land line
[01:40] <cmaloney> my mom is determined that Obama isn't taking her (shitty) land line
[01:40] <rick_h_> lol
[01:41] <cmaloney> She's scared that if my dad moves from DSL that it'll fuck things up so they'll be (insert inexplicable scenario where they'll get worse service than they do now)
[01:41] <rick_h_> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-911-services
[01:41] <rick_h_> equire wireless service providers to provide more precise location information to PSAPs; specifically, the latitude and longitude of the caller. This information must be accurate to within 50 to 300 meters depending upon the type of location technology used.
[01:42] <cmaloney> which is why some VOIP folks say "don't use this for 911"
[01:42] <cmaloney> eg: Skype, Hangouts
[01:42] <cmaloney> Not sure if they'll go so far as to not complete the call though
[01:43] <rick_h_> http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/e911-compliance-faqs/
[01:44] <cmaloney> "My phone says GPS. What does that mean? Can other people or government agencies see where I'm located?"
[01:45] <cmaloney> We plan to support Wi-Fi voice calling in the future. For now, if you use a third party s downloaded app for Wi-Fi Calling it may not allow 911 calls, or may require you to register a street address to route the 911 call and provide the emergency call taker with your location. You ll need to review a third party s policies to determine whether or how it provides 911 dialing and E911 service.
[01:45] <cmaloney> (was for 911 over wifi)
[01:46] <cmaloney> Yeah, they've made some strides to get 911 working well
[13:29] <brousch_> _stink_: Get your kid a cell phone!
[13:33] <_stink_> here, son, your own phone. oh and let me show you yik yak
[13:59] <brousch_> Everyone has hangouts
[14:54] <ColonelPanic001> urg
[14:57] <cmaloney> Hangouts are not a substitute for the phone
[14:57] <cmaloney> especially for less-technically-inclined relatives.
[15:18] <ColonelPanic001> silence is a great substitute for the phone
[15:26] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Well, obviously
[15:27] <cmaloney> or typing on IRC.
[15:27] <cmaloney> Too bad emergency services don't understand how to use IRC.
[15:27] <ColonelPanic001> ./j #911
[15:28] <cmaloney> heh
[16:25] <_stink_> #911 ... do you think all the dispatchers just idle with screen detached?
[16:37] <cmaloney> http://www.jamesward.com/2014/12/03/java-doesnt-suck-youre-just-using-it-wrong
[16:42] <akelling> Everyone know java sucks
[16:43] <cmaloney> Well I love that the article doesn't offer too many solutions for removing the suck.
[16:44] <cmaloney> Basically "adopt this other framework that doesn't suck as much"
[16:47] <jrwren> related: http://yakovfain.com/2013/02/08/java-is-better-than-javascript/
[16:47] <jrwren> and remember, that is proven fact, "Until now. Though." https://medium.com/cool-code-pal/how-node-js-is-going-to-replace-javascript-cf72b588b1b
[16:48] <jrwren> oh man, I just totally wrote off that post, now i notice its by James Ward. OOPS.
[20:57] <cmaloney> http://www.theonion.com/articles/fatherinlaw-think-tank-issues-comprehensive-onesen,37573/
[21:01] <_stink_> haha