| Kilos | morning all | 04:17 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | hi Tonberry_ | 05:04 |
| Tonberry_ | hello | 05:07 |
| bduk | Morning everyone | 05:26 |
| Kilos | hi bduk | 05:31 |
| Kilos | gaanit? | 05:31 |
| bduk | Goed en self Kilos | 05:37 |
| Kilos | ggoed dankie | 05:38 |
| bduk | Wag nou net vir die verlof sodat ek die tuin roete kan gaan doen | 05:38 |
| Kilos | lekker, maar dis ver jong | 05:42 |
| bduk | Neewat nie so ver nie ek doen hom mos elke jaar | 05:42 |
| Kilos | ai! | 05:43 |
| Kilos | 1600 ks | 05:43 |
| bduk | Neeman nie daai een nie ek praat van die een om die huis | 05:44 |
| Kilos | hahahaha | 05:45 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:20 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning Kilos, everyone | 06:23 |
| Squirm | morning | 07:33 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 07:35 |
| magespawn | good morning | 07:40 |
| Kilos | morning magespawn | 07:42 |
| Kilos | hi SmilyBorg wb | 08:11 |
| Kilos | hows things with you? | 08:11 |
| SmilyBorg | Hi there | 08:11 |
| SmilyBorg | Thabks | 08:11 |
| SmilyBorg | Doing ok. Settling into Cape Town | 08:11 |
| SmilyBorg | Crazy work hours though | 08:12 |
| SmilyBorg | You? | 08:12 |
| Kilos | im good ty | 08:12 |
| Kilos | hi blazehen | 08:47 |
| blazehen | hi Kilos | 08:48 |
| Kilos | hi jrgns | 09:00 |
| jrgns | Morning Kilos | 09:00 |
| jrgns | Morning all :) | 09:01 |
| Kilos | that all oke never greets sigh | 09:10 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 09:20 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 09:20 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 09:20 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 09:20 | |
| charl | how are you doing Kilos | 09:20 |
| Squirm | Kilos: the all oke? | 09:20 |
| charl | hi Squirm | 09:20 |
| Kilos | the oke called all | 09:20 |
| Kilos | Maaz: coffee please | 09:21 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Sure | 09:21 |
| === blazehen is now known as all | ||
| all | hi jrgns | 09:21 |
| charl | all your base | 09:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:21 |
| === all is now known as theblazehen | ||
| Kilos | hi all | 09:21 |
| charl | all your blaze | 09:21 |
| === theblazehen is now known as theblaze | ||
| Kilos | oi | 09:21 |
| theblaze | hi charl | 09:21 |
| charl | all your blaze are belong to us | 09:22 |
| theblaze | lol | 09:22 |
| theblaze | I needed that laugh | 09:22 |
| Kilos | see all never greets | 09:22 |
| jrgns | hehe | 09:22 |
| === theblaze is now known as all | ||
| all | hi Kilos | 09:22 |
| === all is now known as theblzhe | ||
| Kilos | hi all ty for that | 09:22 |
| Kilos | eek you messed your nick up there | 09:23 |
| theblzhe | ya | 09:23 |
| magespawn | lol | 09:24 |
| theblzhe | hi magespawn | 09:24 |
| magespawn | hi theblzhe | 09:24 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! | 09:24 |
| Kilos | Maaz: dankie man | 09:24 |
| Maaz | Groot plesier my vriend | 09:24 |
| charl | Maaz: danke | 09:26 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 09:26 |
| charl | been busy playing with docker yesterday | 09:29 |
| charl | am very impressed | 09:30 |
| theblzhe | charl, great! | 09:30 |
| charl | i see great potential in automating operations | 09:30 |
| theblzhe | From what I can tell docker is for more permenant "VMs" than vagrant, and uses containers, correct? | 09:30 |
| charl | great for software developers, deployments become a dream | 09:30 |
| charl | theblzhe: i think it's a mistake to try and compare docker to VMs, that's often made | 09:31 |
| charl | docker is a real container system and simply encaptulates an applicatoin and all its dependencies in a sandbox | 09:31 |
| charl | *application | 09:32 |
| theblzhe | Well it's for application containerisation, right? | 09:32 |
| charl | yes | 09:32 |
| theblzhe | yeah | 09:32 |
| charl | so from a developer standpoint it has major benefits | 09:32 |
| theblzhe | yeah | 09:32 |
| charl | from an operations perspective too because you can simply move containers around between servers as needed | 09:34 |
| charl | and even service discovery is taken care of | 09:34 |
| charl | i don't know how flexible it really is yet, i think it's too new | 09:34 |
| charl | but i like where this is going | 09:34 |
| theblzhe | no downtime? like vMotion? | 09:34 |
| theblzhe | heard of what CoreOS released yesterday IIRC? | 09:34 |
| charl | yes rocket | 09:34 |
| charl | i was just looking at it | 09:35 |
| theblzhe | worth me having a look at? | 09:35 |
| charl | well worth everyone who developers applications or runs servers looking at imho | 09:35 |
| charl | docker is new, rocket is still *very* new | 09:35 |
| charl | docker has a lot of traction and VMware is now also busy with it | 09:36 |
| charl | it might have limitations but those will get solved in coming years | 09:36 |
| charl | especially if heavyweights like vmware are throwing themselves into it | 09:36 |
| charl | rocket is unlikely to get that much traction anytime soon but hey | 09:36 |
| charl | it's impossible to know the future :) | 09:37 |
| theblzhe | ooh, hopefully we get some vmware integration. Set up ESXi yesterday | 09:40 |
| theblzhe | yeah | 09:40 |
| charl | vsphere? | 09:40 |
| theblzhe | yeah | 09:40 |
| theblzhe | 60 day trial FTW | 09:40 |
| charl | vsphere is ok but have you taken a look at the new xen stuff | 09:40 |
| theblzhe | nah? | 09:41 |
| theblzhe | Thought that was all CLI based? | 09:41 |
| charl | open source xen, not that citrix crap | 09:41 |
| theblzhe | http://www.xenserver.org/ ? | 09:41 |
| charl | yes it has a very nice gui console too | 09:42 |
| theblzhe | windows only management from what I can tell? | 09:42 |
| charl | that's the problem :( | 09:43 |
| charl | that's an old xen legacy that i don't like | 09:43 |
| theblzhe | yeah, with VMware with vSphere server, you get web console | 09:43 |
| charl | vmware has been very good in that regard | 09:44 |
| theblzhe | Just hope their web interface is better than Proxmox VE.. | 09:44 |
| charl | i haven't tried their new web interface yet, only the desktop app (also windows) | 09:45 |
| theblzhe | alright | 09:45 |
| charl | vsphere client does run on gnu/linux too though | 09:45 |
| theblzhe | vSphere server download almost done here | 09:45 |
| theblzhe | it does?! | 09:46 |
| theblzhe | https://www.google.co.za/search?q=vshhere+client+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=nts&gfe_rd=cr&ei=6Nt-VPnPJ8eDUMPxgpAF#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=nts&q=vsphere+client+linux&spell=1 wine? | 09:46 |
| charl | that's strange, i saw some screenshots of it running on gnu/linux | 09:47 |
| charl | one sec | 09:47 |
| theblzhe | maybe vEMan? | 09:48 |
| charl | sorry my bad, turns out it was a wine job | 09:48 |
| charl | that's sad :( | 09:48 |
| theblzhe | ah, alright | 09:48 |
| charl | yeah then it isn't a clear advantage over xen unless you can run a web interface | 09:49 |
| charl | wb blazehen | 09:49 |
| blazehen | I think hexchat just crashed... | 09:49 |
| blazehen | ty | 09:49 |
| charl | have you tried xen orchestra ? | 09:51 |
| charl | pity that's a commercial product | 09:51 |
| blazehen | nope.. | 09:51 |
| charl | there was another good interface i saw the other day.. let me try and find it | 09:51 |
| charl | ah yes, ovirt | 09:52 |
| blazehen | ah, wanted to try that.. | 09:52 |
| blazehen | VM machine at home has a buggy bios however.. | 09:52 |
| charl | doesn't look as polished as vsphere web client though :( | 09:52 |
| blazehen | ah | 09:52 |
| blazehen | Might be defficult to get it to boot | 09:53 |
| blazehen | Also needs support for VMs on NFS.. | 09:53 |
| charl | i'm reading this blog post about rocket now and don't get a feel they have a strong case for throwing docker out | 09:58 |
| charl | their real complaint seems to be that docker is getting too complex but that's ridiculous | 09:59 |
| charl | security is a valid concern though | 09:59 |
| Squirm | We're moving towards docker afaik | 11:14 |
| Squirm | still new at all of this | 11:14 |
| magespawn | bbl cheers | 11:38 |
| charl | Squirm: same here :) | 11:57 |
| Squirm | sat in on an online course on ansible last night | 12:01 |
| Squirm | was quite cool | 12:01 |
| Squirm | was just a live presentation | 12:02 |
| jrgns | I think I sat through the same one a couple of months back | 12:03 |
| jrgns | it's quite kewl, much simpler than puppet / chef | 12:04 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 14:58 |
| * blazehen looks at lack of jobs available without experience.. /me looks at strength of thing where light goes out of roof.. /me looks back at job list... | 15:40 | |
| blazehen | FML | 15:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:41 |
| blazehen | not really :( | 15:42 |
| Kilos | its hard to get into places from the bottom up | 15:50 |
| Kilos | speak to graeme tomorrow, maybe hetzner give jobs that include training | 15:50 |
| Kilos | oi | 15:50 |
| charl | good evening | 18:04 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 18:04 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 18:05 |
| Kilos | blazehen: you looking for work for when | 18:05 |
| Kilos | ? | 18:05 |
| Kilos | in a years time? | 18:05 |
| blazehen | Kilos, yeah | 18:06 |
| blazehen | sorry, was eating | 18:06 |
| blazehen | hi charl | 18:06 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:07 |
| Kilos | check if places like hetzner take peeps from bottom up | 18:07 |
| Kilos | then you get paid while learning | 18:07 |
| blazehen | yeah, I'll look into that :) thanks | 18:08 |
| blazehen | Just been looking at the job sites now | 18:08 |
| Kilos | Squirm: advice | 18:08 |
| Kilos | blazehen: you not studying forther first? | 18:09 |
| Kilos | further | 18:09 |
| Kilos | studying further is rather expensive these days methinks | 18:10 |
| blazehen | Kilos, I'll see. I can do comp.sci, but marks not good enough for comp.eng :( | 18:11 |
| Kilos | oh my | 18:11 |
| blazehen | yeah.. 3% on 1 subject! | 18:11 |
| Kilos | ouch what happened | 18:11 |
| Kilos | you forgot study study study | 18:12 |
| blazehen | I did study :( | 18:12 |
| Kilos | the wrong stuff looks like | 18:13 |
| Kilos | 3%? | 18:13 |
| Kilos | you get that much for putting your name down' | 18:13 |
| blazehen | yeah.. | 18:13 |
| Kilos | what happened | 18:13 |
| blazehen | actually 2% | 18:13 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:14 |
| blazehen | Dunno. Final mark for that subject was 81%, but "promotion" mark 78%.. | 18:14 |
| blazehen | Dunno what that is | 18:14 |
| Kilos | oh you didnt only get 3% | 18:14 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:14 |
| blazehen | ah, no, lol.. | 18:15 |
| Kilos | well, imo you should study further if you can | 18:16 |
| blazehen | yeah. Still doesn't get me any experience however. | 18:17 |
| blazehen | Wonder if having a basic homelab counts at all? | 18:17 |
| Kilos | ask graeme tomorrow | 18:17 |
| blazehen | yeah | 18:18 |
| blazehen | He away somewhere? | 18:18 |
| Kilos | he doesnt come on at night normally. | 18:18 |
| blazehen | hmm, charl what you think? | 18:19 |
| blazehen | ah, kk | 18:19 |
| Kilos | 3g is expensive | 18:19 |
| blazehen | yeah | 18:19 |
| Kilos | inetpro: did you find your leak? | 18:19 |
| Kilos | oh blaze study for the lpi exam | 18:20 |
| Kilos | you should breeze through that | 18:20 |
| Kilos | and its recognized world wide | 18:21 |
| * blazehen is thinking RHCSA maybe,, | 18:21 | |
| Kilos | that too ya | 18:22 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 18:31 |
| charl | hi blazehen | 18:33 |
| blazehen | looks like I disconnected.. Did I miss anything? | 18:34 |
| charl | nope | 18:35 |
| blazehen | ty | 18:35 |
| charl | yeah i don't really know what to tell you | 18:35 |
| charl | you always hear of the shortage in the job market | 18:35 |
| charl | but then you get people who can hardly find work in ict | 18:35 |
| charl | i don't always get how that works | 18:35 |
| charl | my first job was a personal contact of my mom's | 18:35 |
| charl | after that it just went flying | 18:36 |
| charl | first jobs are the worst to find | 18:36 |
| charl | this is a common experience though | 18:36 |
| blazehen | hmm, ok :( | 18:36 |
| charl | a large part of it is not technical or if you know how to do things | 18:36 |
| blazehen | yeah | 18:37 |
| charl | a large part of what companies are looking for in an individual is to see if they can fit in | 18:37 |
| charl | to work in a team etc | 18:37 |
| blazehen | Think I should start and go to LUG meets and stuff maybe? | 18:37 |
| blazehen | yeah | 18:37 |
| charl | you never know but that isn't guaranteed to deliver anything | 18:37 |
| blazehen | kk | 18:37 |
| charl | unless you happen to just meet the right person, which can always happen | 18:37 |
| blazehen | yeah | 18:37 |
| blazehen | At least I'll have some hope then.. lol | 18:38 |
| charl | i don't think you should discount yourself too quickly | 18:38 |
| charl | look at internships, even companies like google has an internship programme | 18:38 |
| blazehen | hmm, yeah | 18:38 |
| charl | work for 6 months at crappy pay but after that either get a real job at the same company | 18:38 |
| charl | or simply go work somewhere else | 18:38 |
| blazehen | yeah | 18:38 |
| charl | remember also not to get put off by job postings | 18:39 |
| charl | they want very detailed and specific knowlege | 18:39 |
| charl | but when it comes down to it, if you only meet some of the requirements that's good enough | 18:39 |
| blazehen | alright, ty | 18:39 |
| charl | most of the job postings look a lot worse than they really are, especially for general jobs | 18:39 |
| charl | like general sysadmin or developer gigs are reasonably flexible | 18:39 |
| charl | it's just when you need in-depth competency in very specific products that you should skip past | 18:40 |
| charl | but nobody knows everything the minute they walk in, even very experienced developers | 18:40 |
| charl | there is simply too much out there | 18:40 |
| blazehen | alright, ty | 18:40 |
| blazehen | http://telekom.jobs/telekom_html_redesign/S_82491_EN.html this looks simple enough.. Just need to get rid of money :( | 18:40 |
| charl | ah t mobile | 18:42 |
| blazehen | Good or bad thing? | 18:42 |
| charl | dunno, they're a big mobile company but i have never been a customer | 18:43 |
| charl | in NL there were a lot of complaints of them at some point but i don't know if they are really that bad | 18:43 |
| blazehen | ah, alright | 18:43 |
| blazehen | Thought you had like a "oh.. THAT" reaction | 18:44 |
| charl | no just that they're a VERY big international company :) | 18:44 |
| charl | i did actually use them in america now that i think of it | 18:44 |
| charl | in the usa they had a really positive reputation from the poeple i have spoken to | 18:45 |
| blazehen | ah kk | 18:45 |
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