[04:17] morning all [05:04] hi Tonberry_ [05:07] hello [05:26] Morning everyone [05:31] hi bduk [05:31] gaanit? [05:37] Goed en self Kilos [05:38] ggoed dankie [05:38] Wag nou net vir die verlof sodat ek die tuin roete kan gaan doen [05:42] lekker, maar dis ver jong [05:42] Neewat nie so ver nie ek doen hom mos elke jaar [05:43] ai! [05:43] 1600 ks [05:44] Neeman nie daai een nie ek praat van die een om die huis [05:45] hahahaha [06:20] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:23] morning Kilos, everyone [07:33] morning [07:35] hi Squirm [07:40] good morning [07:42] morning magespawn [08:11] hi SmilyBorg wb [08:11] hows things with you? [08:11] Hi there [08:11] Thabks [08:11] Doing ok. Settling into Cape Town [08:12] Crazy work hours though [08:12] You? [08:12] im good ty [08:47] hi blazehen [08:48] hi Kilos [09:00] hi jrgns [09:00] Morning Kilos [09:01] Morning all :) [09:10] that all oke never greets sigh [09:20] hi charl [09:20] hi Kilos [09:20] Maaz: coffee on [09:20] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [09:20] how are you doing Kilos [09:20] Kilos: the all oke? [09:20] hi Squirm [09:20] the oke called all [09:21] Maaz: coffee please [09:21] Kilos: Sure === blazehen is now known as all [09:21] hi jrgns [09:21] all your base [09:21] lol === all is now known as theblazehen [09:21] hi all [09:21] all your blaze === theblazehen is now known as theblaze [09:21] oi [09:21] hi charl [09:22] all your blaze are belong to us [09:22] lol [09:22] I needed that laugh [09:22] see all never greets [09:22] hehe === theblaze is now known as all [09:22] hi Kilos === all is now known as theblzhe [09:22] hi all ty for that [09:23] eek you messed your nick up there [09:23] ya [09:24] lol [09:24] hi magespawn [09:24] hi theblzhe [09:24] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [09:24] Maaz: dankie man [09:24] Groot plesier my vriend [09:26] Maaz: danke [09:26] Bitteschön [09:29] been busy playing with docker yesterday [09:30] am very impressed [09:30] charl, great! [09:30] i see great potential in automating operations [09:30] From what I can tell docker is for more permenant "VMs" than vagrant, and uses containers, correct? [09:30] great for software developers, deployments become a dream [09:31] theblzhe: i think it's a mistake to try and compare docker to VMs, that's often made [09:31] docker is a real container system and simply encaptulates an applicatoin and all its dependencies in a sandbox [09:32] *application [09:32] Well it's for application containerisation, right? [09:32] yes [09:32] yeah [09:32] so from a developer standpoint it has major benefits [09:32] yeah [09:34] from an operations perspective too because you can simply move containers around between servers as needed [09:34] and even service discovery is taken care of [09:34] i don't know how flexible it really is yet, i think it's too new [09:34] but i like where this is going [09:34] no downtime? like vMotion? [09:34] heard of what CoreOS released yesterday IIRC? [09:34] yes rocket [09:35] i was just looking at it [09:35] worth me having a look at? [09:35] well worth everyone who developers applications or runs servers looking at imho [09:35] docker is new, rocket is still *very* new [09:36] docker has a lot of traction and VMware is now also busy with it [09:36] it might have limitations but those will get solved in coming years [09:36] especially if heavyweights like vmware are throwing themselves into it [09:36] rocket is unlikely to get that much traction anytime soon but hey [09:37] it's impossible to know the future :) [09:40] ooh, hopefully we get some vmware integration. Set up ESXi yesterday [09:40] yeah [09:40] vsphere? [09:40] yeah [09:40] 60 day trial FTW [09:40] vsphere is ok but have you taken a look at the new xen stuff [09:41] nah? [09:41] Thought that was all CLI based? [09:41] open source xen, not that citrix crap [09:41] http://www.xenserver.org/ ? [09:42] yes it has a very nice gui console too [09:42] windows only management from what I can tell? [09:43] that's the problem :( [09:43] that's an old xen legacy that i don't like [09:43] yeah, with VMware with vSphere server, you get web console [09:44] vmware has been very good in that regard [09:44] Just hope their web interface is better than Proxmox VE.. [09:45] i haven't tried their new web interface yet, only the desktop app (also windows) [09:45] alright [09:45] vsphere client does run on gnu/linux too though [09:45] vSphere server download almost done here [09:46] it does?! [09:46] https://www.google.co.za/search?q=vshhere+client+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=nts&gfe_rd=cr&ei=6Nt-VPnPJ8eDUMPxgpAF#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=nts&q=vsphere+client+linux&spell=1 wine? [09:47] that's strange, i saw some screenshots of it running on gnu/linux [09:47] one sec [09:48] maybe vEMan? [09:48] sorry my bad, turns out it was a wine job [09:48] that's sad :( [09:48] ah, alright [09:49] yeah then it isn't a clear advantage over xen unless you can run a web interface [09:49] wb blazehen [09:49] I think hexchat just crashed... [09:49] ty [09:51] have you tried xen orchestra ? [09:51] pity that's a commercial product [09:51] nope.. [09:51] there was another good interface i saw the other day.. let me try and find it [09:52] ah yes, ovirt [09:52] ah, wanted to try that.. [09:52] VM machine at home has a buggy bios however.. [09:52] doesn't look as polished as vsphere web client though :( [09:52] ah [09:53] Might be defficult to get it to boot [09:53] Also needs support for VMs on NFS.. [09:58] i'm reading this blog post about rocket now and don't get a feel they have a strong case for throwing docker out [09:59] their real complaint seems to be that docker is getting too complex but that's ridiculous [09:59] security is a valid concern though [11:14] We're moving towards docker afaik [11:14] still new at all of this [11:38] bbl cheers [11:57] Squirm: same here :) [12:01] sat in on an online course on ansible last night [12:01] was quite cool [12:02] was just a live presentation [12:03] I think I sat through the same one a couple of months back [12:04] it's quite kewl, much simpler than puppet / chef [14:58] hmm... [15:40] * blazehen looks at lack of jobs available without experience.. /me looks at strength of thing where light goes out of roof.. /me looks back at job list... [15:40] FML [15:41] lol [15:42] not really :( [15:50] its hard to get into places from the bottom up [15:50] speak to graeme tomorrow, maybe hetzner give jobs that include training [15:50] oi [18:04] good evening [18:04] hi Kilos [18:05] hi charl [18:05] blazehen: you looking for work for when [18:05] ? [18:05] in a years time? [18:06] Kilos, yeah [18:06] sorry, was eating [18:06] hi charl [18:07] sjoe [18:07] check if places like hetzner take peeps from bottom up [18:07] then you get paid while learning [18:08] yeah, I'll look into that :) thanks [18:08] Just been looking at the job sites now [18:08] Squirm: advice [18:09] blazehen: you not studying forther first? [18:09] further [18:10] studying further is rather expensive these days methinks [18:11] Kilos, I'll see. I can do comp.sci, but marks not good enough for comp.eng :( [18:11] oh my [18:11] yeah.. 3% on 1 subject! [18:11] ouch what happened [18:12] you forgot study study study [18:12] I did study :( [18:13] the wrong stuff looks like [18:13] 3%? [18:13] you get that much for putting your name down' [18:13] yeah.. [18:13] what happened [18:13] actually 2% [18:14] sjoe [18:14] Dunno. Final mark for that subject was 81%, but "promotion" mark 78%.. [18:14] Dunno what that is [18:14] oh you didnt only get 3% [18:14] sjoe [18:15] ah, no, lol.. [18:16] well, imo you should study further if you can [18:17] yeah. Still doesn't get me any experience however. [18:17] Wonder if having a basic homelab counts at all? [18:17] ask graeme tomorrow [18:18] yeah [18:18] He away somewhere? [18:18] he doesnt come on at night normally. [18:19] hmm, charl what you think? [18:19] ah, kk [18:19] 3g is expensive [18:19] yeah [18:19] inetpro: did you find your leak? [18:20] oh blaze study for the lpi exam [18:20] you should breeze through that [18:21] and its recognized world wide [18:21] * blazehen is thinking RHCSA maybe,, [18:22] that too ya [18:31] night all. sleep tight [18:33] hi blazehen [18:34] looks like I disconnected.. Did I miss anything? [18:35] nope [18:35] ty [18:35] yeah i don't really know what to tell you [18:35] you always hear of the shortage in the job market [18:35] but then you get people who can hardly find work in ict [18:35] i don't always get how that works [18:35] my first job was a personal contact of my mom's [18:36] after that it just went flying [18:36] first jobs are the worst to find [18:36] this is a common experience though [18:36] hmm, ok :( [18:36] a large part of it is not technical or if you know how to do things [18:37] yeah [18:37] a large part of what companies are looking for in an individual is to see if they can fit in [18:37] to work in a team etc [18:37] Think I should start and go to LUG meets and stuff maybe? [18:37] yeah [18:37] you never know but that isn't guaranteed to deliver anything [18:37] kk [18:37] unless you happen to just meet the right person, which can always happen [18:37] yeah [18:38] At least I'll have some hope then.. lol [18:38] i don't think you should discount yourself too quickly [18:38] look at internships, even companies like google has an internship programme [18:38] hmm, yeah [18:38] work for 6 months at crappy pay but after that either get a real job at the same company [18:38] or simply go work somewhere else [18:38] yeah [18:39] remember also not to get put off by job postings [18:39] they want very detailed and specific knowlege [18:39] but when it comes down to it, if you only meet some of the requirements that's good enough [18:39] alright, ty [18:39] most of the job postings look a lot worse than they really are, especially for general jobs [18:39] like general sysadmin or developer gigs are reasonably flexible [18:40] it's just when you need in-depth competency in very specific products that you should skip past [18:40] but nobody knows everything the minute they walk in, even very experienced developers [18:40] there is simply too much out there [18:40] alright, ty [18:40] http://telekom.jobs/telekom_html_redesign/S_82491_EN.html this looks simple enough.. Just need to get rid of money :( [18:42] ah t mobile [18:42] Good or bad thing? [18:43] dunno, they're a big mobile company but i have never been a customer [18:43] in NL there were a lot of complaints of them at some point but i don't know if they are really that bad [18:43] ah, alright [18:44] Thought you had like a "oh.. THAT" reaction [18:44] no just that they're a VERY big international company :) [18:44] i did actually use them in america now that i think of it [18:45] in the usa they had a really positive reputation from the poeple i have spoken to [18:45] ah kk