[04:17] <Kilos> morning all
[05:04] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_ 
[05:07] <Tonberry_> hello
[05:26] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:31] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[05:31] <Kilos> gaanit?
[05:37] <bduk> Goed en self Kilos 
[05:38] <Kilos> ggoed dankie
[05:38] <bduk> Wag nou net vir die verlof sodat ek die tuin roete kan gaan doen
[05:42] <Kilos> lekker, maar dis ver jong
[05:42] <bduk> Neewat nie so ver nie ek doen hom mos elke jaar
[05:43] <Kilos> ai!
[05:43] <Kilos> 1600 ks
[05:44] <bduk> Neeman nie daai een nie ek praat van die een om die huis
[05:45] <Kilos> hahahaha
[06:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos, everyone
[07:33] <Squirm> morning
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:40] <magespawn> good morning
[07:42] <Kilos> morning magespawn 
[08:11] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg wb
[08:11] <Kilos> hows things with you?
[08:11] <SmilyBorg> Hi there
[08:11] <SmilyBorg> Thabks
[08:11] <SmilyBorg> Doing ok. Settling into Cape Town 
[08:12] <SmilyBorg> Crazy work hours though
[08:12] <SmilyBorg> You? 
[08:12] <Kilos> im good ty
[08:47] <Kilos> hi blazehen 
[08:48] <blazehen> hi Kilos 
[09:00] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[09:00] <jrgns> Morning Kilos
[09:01] <jrgns> Morning all :)
[09:10] <Kilos> that all oke never greets sigh
[09:20] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:20] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:20] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:20]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:20] <charl> how are you doing Kilos 
[09:20] <Squirm> Kilos: the all oke?
[09:20] <charl> hi Squirm 
[09:20] <Kilos>  the oke called all
[09:21] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[09:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:21] <all> hi jrgns 
[09:21] <charl> all your base
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:21] <Kilos> hi all
[09:21] <charl> all your blaze
[09:21] <Kilos> oi
[09:21] <theblaze> hi charl 
[09:22] <charl> all your blaze are belong to us
[09:22] <theblaze> lol
[09:22] <theblaze> I needed that laugh
[09:22] <Kilos> see   all never greets
[09:22] <jrgns> hehe
[09:22] <all> hi Kilos 
[09:22] <Kilos> hi all ty for that
[09:23] <Kilos> eek you messed your nick up there
[09:23] <theblzhe> ya
[09:24] <magespawn> lol
[09:24] <theblzhe> hi magespawn 
[09:24] <magespawn> hi theblzhe 
[09:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz: dankie man
[09:24] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[09:26] <charl> Maaz: danke
[09:26] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[09:29] <charl> been busy playing with docker yesterday
[09:30] <charl> am very impressed
[09:30] <theblzhe> charl, great!
[09:30] <charl> i see great potential in automating operations
[09:30] <theblzhe> From what I can tell docker is for more permenant "VMs" than vagrant, and uses containers, correct?
[09:30] <charl> great for software developers, deployments become a dream
[09:31] <charl> theblzhe: i think it's a mistake to try and compare docker to VMs, that's often made
[09:31] <charl> docker is a real container system and simply encaptulates an applicatoin and all its dependencies in a sandbox
[09:32] <charl> *application
[09:32] <theblzhe> Well it's for application containerisation, right?
[09:32] <charl> yes
[09:32] <theblzhe> yeah
[09:32] <charl> so from a developer standpoint it has major benefits
[09:32] <theblzhe> yeah
[09:34] <charl> from an operations perspective too because you can simply move containers around between servers as needed
[09:34] <charl> and even service discovery is taken care of
[09:34] <charl> i don't know how flexible it really is yet, i think it's too new
[09:34] <charl> but i like where this is going
[09:34] <theblzhe> no downtime? like vMotion?
[09:34] <theblzhe> heard of what CoreOS released yesterday IIRC?
[09:34] <charl> yes rocket
[09:35] <charl> i was just looking at it
[09:35] <theblzhe> worth me having a look at?
[09:35] <charl> well worth everyone who developers applications or runs servers looking at imho
[09:35] <charl> docker is new, rocket is still *very* new
[09:36] <charl> docker has a lot of traction and VMware is now also busy with it
[09:36] <charl> it might have limitations but those will get solved in coming years
[09:36] <charl> especially if heavyweights like vmware are throwing themselves into it
[09:36] <charl> rocket is unlikely to get that much traction anytime soon but hey
[09:37] <charl> it's impossible to know the future :)
[09:40] <theblzhe> ooh, hopefully we get some vmware integration. Set up ESXi yesterday
[09:40] <theblzhe> yeah
[09:40] <charl> vsphere?
[09:40] <theblzhe> yeah
[09:40] <theblzhe> 60 day trial FTW
[09:40] <charl> vsphere is ok but have you taken a look at the new xen stuff
[09:41] <theblzhe> nah?
[09:41] <theblzhe> Thought that was all CLI based?
[09:41] <charl> open source xen, not that citrix crap
[09:41] <theblzhe> http://www.xenserver.org/ ?
[09:42] <charl> yes it has a very nice gui console too
[09:42] <theblzhe> windows only management from what I can tell?
[09:43] <charl> that's the problem :(
[09:43] <charl> that's an old xen legacy that i don't like
[09:43] <theblzhe> yeah, with VMware with vSphere server, you get web console
[09:44] <charl> vmware has been very good in that regard
[09:44] <theblzhe> Just hope their web interface is better than Proxmox VE..
[09:45] <charl> i haven't tried their new web interface yet, only the desktop app (also windows)
[09:45] <theblzhe> alright
[09:45] <charl> vsphere client does run on gnu/linux too though
[09:45] <theblzhe> vSphere server download almost done here
[09:46] <theblzhe> it does?!
[09:46] <theblzhe> https://www.google.co.za/search?q=vshhere+client+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=nts&gfe_rd=cr&ei=6Nt-VPnPJ8eDUMPxgpAF#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=nts&q=vsphere+client+linux&spell=1 wine?
[09:47] <charl> that's strange, i saw some screenshots of it running on gnu/linux
[09:47] <charl> one sec
[09:48] <theblzhe> maybe vEMan?
[09:48] <charl> sorry my bad, turns out it was a wine job
[09:48] <charl> that's sad :(
[09:48] <theblzhe> ah, alright
[09:49] <charl> yeah then it isn't a clear advantage over xen unless you can run a web interface
[09:49] <charl> wb blazehen 
[09:49] <blazehen> I think hexchat just crashed...
[09:49] <blazehen> ty
[09:51] <charl> have you tried xen orchestra ?
[09:51] <charl> pity that's a commercial product
[09:51] <blazehen> nope..
[09:51] <charl> there was another good interface i saw the other day.. let me try and find it
[09:52] <charl> ah yes, ovirt
[09:52] <blazehen> ah, wanted to try that..
[09:52] <blazehen> VM machine at home has a buggy bios however..
[09:52] <charl> doesn't look as polished as vsphere web client though :(
[09:52] <blazehen> ah
[09:53] <blazehen> Might be defficult to get it to boot
[09:53] <blazehen> Also needs support for VMs on NFS..
[09:58] <charl> i'm reading this blog post about rocket now and don't get a feel they have a strong case for throwing docker out
[09:59] <charl> their real complaint seems to be that docker is getting too complex but that's ridiculous
[09:59] <charl> security is a valid concern though
[11:14] <Squirm> We're moving towards docker afaik
[11:14] <Squirm> still new at all of this
[11:38] <magespawn> bbl cheers
[11:57] <charl> Squirm: same here :)
[12:01] <Squirm> sat in on an online course on ansible last night
[12:01] <Squirm> was quite cool
[12:02] <Squirm> was just a live presentation
[12:03] <jrgns> I think I sat through the same one a couple of months back
[12:04] <jrgns> it's quite kewl, much simpler than puppet / chef
[14:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:40]  * blazehen looks at lack of jobs available without experience.. /me looks at strength of thing where light goes out of roof.. /me looks back at job list...
[15:40] <blazehen> FML
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <blazehen> not really :(
[15:50] <Kilos> its hard to get into places from the bottom up
[15:50] <Kilos> speak to graeme tomorrow, maybe hetzner give jobs that include training
[15:50] <Kilos> oi
[18:04] <charl> good evening
[18:04] <charl> hi Kilos 
[18:05] <Kilos> hi charl 
[18:05] <Kilos> blazehen: you looking for work for when
[18:05] <Kilos> ?
[18:05] <Kilos> in a years time?
[18:06] <blazehen> Kilos, yeah
[18:06] <blazehen> sorry, was eating
[18:06] <blazehen> hi charl 
[18:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:07] <Kilos> check if places like hetzner take peeps from bottom up
[18:07] <Kilos> then you get paid while learning
[18:08] <blazehen> yeah, I'll look into that :) thanks
[18:08] <blazehen> Just been looking at the job sites now
[18:08] <Kilos> Squirm: advice
[18:09] <Kilos> blazehen: you not studying forther first?
[18:09] <Kilos> further
[18:10] <Kilos> studying further is rather expensive these days methinks
[18:11] <blazehen> Kilos, I'll see. I can do comp.sci, but marks not good enough for comp.eng :(
[18:11] <Kilos> oh my
[18:11] <blazehen> yeah.. 3% on 1 subject!
[18:11] <Kilos> ouch what happened
[18:12] <Kilos> you forgot study study study
[18:12] <blazehen> I did study :(
[18:13] <Kilos> the wrong stuff looks like
[18:13] <Kilos> 3%?
[18:13] <Kilos> you get that much for putting your name down'
[18:13] <blazehen> yeah..
[18:13] <Kilos> what happened
[18:13] <blazehen> actually 2%
[18:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:14] <blazehen> Dunno. Final mark for that subject was 81%, but "promotion" mark 78%..
[18:14] <blazehen> Dunno what that is
[18:14] <Kilos> oh you didnt only get 3%
[18:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:15] <blazehen> ah, no, lol..
[18:16] <Kilos> well, imo you should study further if you can
[18:17] <blazehen> yeah. Still doesn't get me any experience however.
[18:17] <blazehen> Wonder if having a basic homelab counts at all?
[18:17] <Kilos> ask graeme tomorrow
[18:18] <blazehen> yeah
[18:18] <blazehen> He away somewhere?
[18:18] <Kilos> he doesnt come on at night normally. 
[18:19] <blazehen> hmm, charl what you think?
[18:19] <blazehen> ah, kk
[18:19] <Kilos> 3g is expensive
[18:19] <blazehen> yeah
[18:19] <Kilos> inetpro: did you find your leak?
[18:20] <Kilos> oh blaze study for the lpi exam
[18:20] <Kilos> you should breeze through that
[18:21] <Kilos> and its recognized world wide
[18:21]  * blazehen is thinking RHCSA maybe,,
[18:22] <Kilos> that too ya
[18:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:33] <charl> hi blazehen 
[18:34] <blazehen> looks like I disconnected.. Did I miss anything?
[18:35] <charl> nope
[18:35] <blazehen> ty
[18:35] <charl> yeah i don't really know what to tell you
[18:35] <charl> you always hear of the shortage in the job market
[18:35] <charl> but then you get people who can hardly find work in ict
[18:35] <charl> i don't always get how that works
[18:35] <charl> my first job was a personal contact of my mom's
[18:36] <charl> after that it just went flying
[18:36] <charl> first jobs are the worst to find
[18:36] <charl> this is a common experience though
[18:36] <blazehen> hmm, ok :(
[18:36] <charl> a large part of it is not technical or if you know how to do things
[18:37] <blazehen> yeah
[18:37] <charl> a large part of what companies are looking for in an individual is to see if they can fit in
[18:37] <charl> to work in a team etc
[18:37] <blazehen> Think I should start and go to LUG meets and stuff maybe?
[18:37] <blazehen> yeah
[18:37] <charl> you never know but that isn't guaranteed to deliver anything
[18:37] <blazehen> kk
[18:37] <charl> unless you happen to just meet the right person, which can always happen
[18:37] <blazehen> yeah
[18:38] <blazehen> At least I'll have some hope then.. lol
[18:38] <charl> i don't think you should discount yourself too quickly
[18:38] <charl> look at internships, even companies like google has an internship programme
[18:38] <blazehen> hmm, yeah
[18:38] <charl> work for 6 months at crappy pay but after that either get a real job at the same company
[18:38] <charl> or simply go work somewhere else
[18:38] <blazehen> yeah
[18:39] <charl> remember also not to get put off by job postings
[18:39] <charl> they want very detailed and specific knowlege
[18:39] <charl> but when it comes down to it, if you only meet some of the requirements that's good enough
[18:39] <blazehen> alright, ty
[18:39] <charl> most of the job postings look a lot worse than they really are, especially for general jobs
[18:39] <charl> like general sysadmin or developer gigs are reasonably flexible
[18:40] <charl> it's just when you need in-depth competency in very specific products that you should skip past
[18:40] <charl> but nobody knows everything the minute they walk in, even very experienced developers
[18:40] <charl> there is simply too much out there
[18:40] <blazehen> alright, ty
[18:40] <blazehen> http://telekom.jobs/telekom_html_redesign/S_82491_EN.html this looks simple enough.. Just need to get rid of money :(
[18:42] <charl> ah t mobile
[18:42] <blazehen> Good or bad thing?
[18:43] <charl> dunno, they're a big mobile company but i have never been a customer
[18:43] <charl> in NL there were a lot of complaints of them at some point but i don't know if they are really that bad
[18:43] <blazehen> ah, alright
[18:44] <blazehen> Thought you had like a "oh.. THAT" reaction
[18:44] <charl> no just that they're a VERY big international company :)
[18:44] <charl> i did actually use them in america now that i think of it
[18:45] <charl> in the usa they had a really positive reputation from the poeple i have spoken to
[18:45] <blazehen> ah kk