[00:00] <Safiyyah> pangolin
[00:00] <daftykins> ah ok
[00:01] <daftykins> should be a graphical way you can spot your external and mount it
[00:01] <daftykins> a pastebin of "sudo fdisk -l" to spot the flash drive will be handy too
[00:04] <Safiyyah> Firefox is freezing
[00:04] <Safiyyah> It's /dev/sdc1
[00:05] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9359360/
[00:05] <Safiyyah2> sorry it's decided to work as long as I don't right click
[00:05] <Safiyyah2> (firefox I mean)
[00:06] <Safiyyah> Dobt I  just need the start up disk creator?
[00:06] <Safiyyah> Just select the file and do it?
[00:07] <daftykins> use dd
[00:08] <Safiyyah> do?
[00:08] <Safiyyah> Do?
[00:08] <daftykins> sudo dd if=/path/to/ISO of=/dev/sdc bs=2M
[00:09] <Safiyyah2> yes what is the path to my external?
[00:09] <daftykins> type "mount" and it might give some clues
[00:09] <daftykins> or df -h
[00:11] <Safiyyah2> okay I can't do cd /dev/sdb1
[00:11] <Safiyyah2> can I copy the files onto the desktop graphically?
[00:12] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9359400/
[00:12] <daftykins> /media/Expansion Drive
[00:12] <daftykins> it's already mounted
[00:13] <daftykins> you can't copy things to the desktop 'cause the desktop has no space :D
[00:14] <Safiyyah> Cd /media /Expansion Drive also doesn't work
[00:15] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9359426/
[00:16] <daftykins> because you have spaces
[00:16] <daftykins> that was a very bad name for a drive ;)
[00:16] <daftykins> use tab complete
[00:16] <diddledan> I thought ubuntu tracked upstream with firefox versions? i.e. new firefox gets bundled as an update in supported ubuntu
[00:16] <daftykins> e.g. "cd /media/E *tab*
[00:16] <Safiyyah2> anyway the directory is /media/Expansion Drive/Backup 2 October 2014/Downloads/xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64
[00:16] <diddledan> just curio because I have 33 and mozilla have released 34 already
[00:17] <Safiyyah2> daftykins, we can change the name lol
[00:17] <diddledan> aah, I had stale apt cache
[00:17] <daftykins> one job at a time please ;)
[00:18] <Safiyyah2> :)
[00:22] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9359484/
[00:22] <Safiyyah2> it's in Backup 2 October 2014/Downloads
[00:22] <Safiyyah2> same problem with the spaces but there is more than one file starting with Backup
[00:24] <daftykins> are you not ok using tabs to complete your paths still?
[00:24] <Safiyyah2> lol
[00:24] <Safiyyah2> yep
[00:24] <Safiyyah2> not okay
[00:24] <Safiyyah2> am sorry
[00:26] <daftykins> cd /media/Expansion\ Drive/Backup\ 2 *tab*
[00:26] <daftykins> ?
[00:27] <Safiyyah2> when I press tab
[00:27] <Safiyyah2> it just re-lists the directories
[00:27] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9359524/
[00:27] <Safiyyah2> When I pressed tab it gave me a list
[00:29] <diddledan> don't add a space on the end after "2"
[00:29] <diddledan> type exactly ...."Backup\ 2[tab]"
[00:29] <diddledan> where [tab] is the tab button
[00:30] <Safiyyah2> okay we are in the directory
[00:31] <Safiyyah2> sorry about no getting it
[00:31] <Safiyyah2> am in!!!! now what.... something about dd?
[00:31] <Safiyyah2> excuse me but it's late and I can't spell
[00:33] <Safiyyah2> daftykins:  did you drop off to sleep at your desk
[00:33] <daftykins> nop
[00:34] <daftykins> i'm just gaming
[00:34] <daftykins> sudo dd if=/path/to/ISO of=/dev/sdc bs=2M
[00:34] <daftykins> would've been easier for you to scroll up :P
[00:34] <Safiyyah2> lol
[00:35] <Safiyyah2> brain died
[00:37] <daftykins> ;]
[00:40] <Safiyyah2> terminal is still at it
[00:40] <Safiyyah2> or it has hang
[00:40] <Safiyyah2> whichever one
[00:41] <Safiyyah2> daftykins:  here is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/9359680/
[00:41] <daftykins> 271MB is way too tiny for an ISO
[00:43] <daftykins> i don't think that's a complete download
[00:43] <Safiyyah2> the download itself is  970 something
[00:43] <Safiyyah2> its complete.
[00:43] <Safiyyah2> I char1 summed it
[00:43] <daftykins> but the paste there says it wrote 270MB
[00:43] <Safiyyah2> the terminal didnt finish copying
[00:44] <Safiyyah2> let me rerun the command and exercise better patience
[00:44] <daftykins> oh yes you ctrl+C'd
[00:44] <daftykins> that's a BAD Safiyyah
[00:45] <daftykins> yo might be able to check progress with "sudo killall -USR1 dd" in a second terminal window
[01:00] <Safiyyah2> daftykins: didnt meant to I was trying to copy it into paste bin for you
[01:01] <Safiyyah2> cos I was wasnt sure it was hanging or not
[01:01] <Safiyyah2> anyway it has finished again
[01:01] <daftykins> ah i see
[01:03] <Safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9359943/
[01:03] <Safiyyah2> it finished
[01:03] <Safiyyah2> took it a minute
[01:04] <daftykins> 858 seconds!
[01:04] <Safiyyah2> lol
[01:04] <daftykins> that's one slow flash drive
[01:04] <Safiyyah2> well it can be dedicated to the job
[01:04] <Safiyyah2> and I won't miss it
[01:05] <Safiyyah2> right do we check the data first with char1sum or that's it?
[01:05] <Safiyyah2> Atleast we now have a USB
[01:06] <daftykins> just try booting it
[01:06] <Safiyyah2> cool
[01:06] <daftykins> and get that nasty CD/DVD out :>
[01:06] <Safiyyah2> lol
[01:06] <Safiyyah2> yes sir!!!!
[01:12] <safiyyah2> daftykins: am back
[01:12] <safiyyah2> my that loaded FAST!
[01:12] <daftykins> D:
[01:13] <daftykins> yesh, CD/DVD are just not even options to me nowadays ;) life is too short
[01:13] <safiyyah2> lol
[01:13] <safiyyah2> point clearly understood now!!!!! will always have a USB now
[01:13] <safiyyah2> right what now
[01:14] <safiyyah2> dmesg |tail?
[01:14] <safiyyah2> fdisk -l?
[01:15] <daftykins> well now we have a real version
[01:15] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[01:15] <daftykins> oh and smartmontools
[01:15] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools"
[01:15] <safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9360080/
[01:16] <safiyyah2> done!
[01:16] <safiyyah2> It's like a different machine!!!
[01:16] <safiyyah2> wondering about the so called dead drive now
[01:17] <diddledan> o_O /dev/sdc1p1 ??
[01:17] <daftykins> yeah i don't even
[01:18] <daftykins> safiyyah2: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[01:18] <diddledan> did you dd to sdc1 instead of sdc?
[01:18] <daftykins> wouldn't have booted if that were true
[01:19] <diddledan> how else would sdc1 contain a partition table?
[01:20] <safiyyah2> wasn't sdc1 the external drive?
[01:21] <safiyyah2> daftykins:  the terminal is working on that last command
[01:21] <daftykins> o0
[01:21] <safiyyah2> lol
[01:21] <diddledan> sdc1 is a partition on sdc. sdc is the external drive.
[01:22] <safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9360123/
[01:22] <safiyyah2> Same story though
[01:22] <daftykins> less errors though
[01:22] <daftykins> that's a different output
[01:22] <diddledan> try fsck
[01:23] <safiyyah2> diddledan: am a novice
[01:23] <safiyyah2> need the whole command
[01:23] <safiyyah2> and am tired. brain isnt at its best
[01:23] <diddledan> fsck /dev/sda1
[01:24] <daftykins> ^
[01:25] <safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9360151/
[01:26] <safiyyah2> I have gone to the bathroom for a few
[01:27] <daftykins> still a very unhappy disk
[01:27] <daftykins> diddledan: i don't even think attempting to pick a backup superblock is worth the hassle?
[01:27] <diddledan> nah, I've never had much luck with doing that anyway
[01:28] <daftykins> ah i got someone going again with one once in #ubuntu
[01:28] <daftykins> but then this thing only holds her OS + installed software, so might as well nuke it really
[01:28] <daftykins> doesn't resolve what made it go wonky mind
[01:29] <safiyyah2> okay am back
[01:29] <safiyyah2> is it possible there is nothing wrong with my other SSD?
[01:29] <safiyyah2> just an unhappy arrangement?
[01:30] <safiyyah2> and are you satisfied it's not the board?
[01:30] <daftykins> well you don't have anything else to test with
[01:30] <daftykins> we've been flying blind since the beginning
[01:31] <safiyyah2> but according t the messages doesn't it mean the Corsair is also dead?
[01:32] <daftykins> think of it like two people talking
[01:32] <daftykins> one of them has just had a stroke, we're trying to have a conversation
[01:32] <safiyyah2> so who has had the stroke
[01:32] <daftykins> how do we know which one has had the stroke? communication's still failing and that's our only point of reference
[01:32] <daftykins> lol
[01:32] <daftykins> WE CANT FIND OUT
[01:32] <safiyyah2> the Corsair or the SanDisk?
[01:32] <daftykins> because you only have one PC :P
[01:33] <safiyyah2> lol
[01:33] <diddledan> daftykins, ask the other guy what you would say was the way to certain death
[01:33] <diddledan> or is that a different riddle?
[01:33] <safiyyah2> why can't we replug the SanDisk and rerun the live USB?
[01:33] <daftykins> ;]
[01:33] <daftykins> what would be the point?
[01:34] <daftykins> there's only static data on that, not gonna find anything new out
[01:34] <safiyyah2> ah
[01:34] <safiyyah2> so now. Do I do a fresh install on the corsair?
[01:34] <safiyyah2> Or give up and buy a new SSD?
[01:35] <daftykins> yep could try a clean install, see if it will function
[01:35] <daftykins> that would be the very quickest approach
[01:35] <safiyyah2> yes but then die again
[01:35] <safiyyah2> in a few weeks
[01:35] <daftykins> maybe, but you have no other option
[01:36] <safiyyah2> until the new disk arrives?
[01:36] <daftykins> no you have no other option at all
[01:36] <safiyyah2> there is a third option..... just buy a new drive again
[01:36] <daftykins> since we can't know where the fault is without trying both those SSDs in another system
[01:36] <daftykins> nah that'd be foolish
[01:37] <safiyyah2> respectfully, I feel like this method makes me a sitting duck
[01:37] <safiyyah2> new SSD feels like I am taking my chances
[01:38] <daftykins> and it could still be a faulty motherboard so you'd be however much £ in the hole with no solution
[01:38] <safiyyah2> So basically just get the system going again and wait?
[01:38] <daftykins> yeah, run the install on the existing SSD right now
[01:38] <daftykins> see if it functions
[01:39] <daftykins> maybe it'll not even install without spamming errors
[01:39] <safiyyah2> I think the install will go through
[01:39] <diddledan> don't think, do
[01:39] <safiyyah2> okay, I will do that
[01:39] <safiyyah2> lol
[01:39] <safiyyah2> am still on the and chat on the phone
[01:40] <safiyyah2> closing this to insall
[01:48] <Safiyyah> Daftykins it say input out error on /dev/sda
[01:49] <daftykins> mmmhmm
[01:49] <Safiyyah> This is in the bit where you set the time zone
[01:49] <daftykins> i'd imagine "dmesg | tail" shows the kernel is screaming again
[01:50] <Safiyyah> Shall I run it?
[01:50] <daftykins> yarr
[01:53] <safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9360367/
[01:54] <safiyyah2> daftykins:
[01:54] <daftykins> yep i'm lookin'
[01:54] <daftykins> is the install actually getting any further?
[01:55] <safiyyah2> it asked me if i want to ignore or continue
[01:56] <safiyyah2> left it like that
[01:56] <daftykins> hrmm
[01:56] <daftykins> ok so it's kinda paused
[01:56] <safiyyah2> yep
[01:56] <daftykins> i'd install smartmontools and try a "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[01:56] <safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9360457/
[01:57] <safiyyah2> daftykins:  this is mind boggling
[01:58] <daftykins> heh 600PB thing again
[01:58] <safiyyah2> lol
[02:00] <safiyyah2> so is it possible that this old drive is the fauty one.... not the new one?
[02:00] <daftykins> yeah these disks really need testing on another machine to know which end is at fault
[02:00] <daftykins> your machine obviously doesn't want anything to do with them anymore
[02:01] <safiyyah2> well right now only the 60gb corsair  is in
[02:01] <safiyyah2> lol
[02:01] <daftykins> you can swap, pull out your external too
[02:01] <daftykins> boot the flash drive with just the sandisk
[02:01] <safiyyah2> its a divorce
[02:01] <safiyyah2> okay brb
[02:01] <intrbiz> what is the machine? what SATA controller?
[02:02] <daftykins> old LGA775 board likely so maybe a P35 chipset or similar
[02:08] <safiyyah2> a back!!!
[02:09] <daftykins> D:
[02:10] <safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9360602/
[02:10] <safiyyah2> daftykins: I still can't get over how quick it is
[02:10] <daftykins> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools
[02:10] <daftykins> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit
[02:11] <safiyyah2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9360630/
[02:11] <daftykins> well well, that one seems to be playing ball
[02:11] <daftykins> so maybe it was the Corsair all along
[02:12] <safiyyah2> wow!!!!
[02:12] <safiyyah2> Oh wow!!!!
[02:13] <daftykins> so you could backup properly now
[02:13] <daftykins> the whole lot
[02:13] <daftykins> or clean install to the sandisk
[02:14] <safiyyah2> please dont laugh at my question, but remember HDD has jumpers. so you set one slave am wondering if  they both thought they were master?
[02:14] <daftykins> no such thing with SATA
[02:14] <daftykins> one device per cable, no such confusion :)
[02:14] <safiyyah2> okay
[02:15] <safiyyah2> well my home drive is in there if I can back it up in it's entirity am good
[02:15] <safiyyah2> I was avoiding a clean install because I had all the apps I wanted for the kids
[02:15] <safiyyah2> can't remember half of them now
[02:15] <safiyyah2> and the damned printer
[02:15] <daftykins> mmhmm
[02:15] <safiyyah2> never mind will just start again
[02:15] <daftykins> and the fun with X
[02:15] <safiyyah2> yes
[02:16] <safiyyah2> I had JUST JUST right
[02:16] <daftykins> meh, shit happens :P
[02:16] <safiyyah2> lol
[02:16] <daftykins> or the version i quite like, life happens
[02:16] <safiyyah2> okay so I had the idea that having a seperate home drive was best
[02:16] <safiyyah2> that blew up in my face
[02:17] <safiyyah2> is there any point buying a new, root drive?
[02:17] <daftykins> it's always better having multiple disks
[02:17] <safiyyah2> shouldn't I just partition the one drive and be over it?
[02:17] <daftykins> i wouldn't have gone pure SSD though personally
[02:18] <safiyyah2> even after this bad experience?
[02:18] <daftykins> your failure has had nothing to do with how many disks you have
[02:18] <daftykins> :)
[02:18] <daftykins> but let's not think too far ahead... you still need to confirm whether this one is going to operate ok
[02:18] <safiyyah2> lol my HDD died 2 years ago... could only afford a 60GB SSD and then now I wanted more space so got another SSD
[02:18] <safiyyah2> happened unintentionally
[02:19] <daftykins> you could've had 2TB mechanical for £60
[02:19] <daftykins> :>
[02:19] <daftykins> sooo.... backup or install?
[02:19] <daftykins> also it's gone 2am :D
[02:19] <safiyyah2> someone on herewas banging on about stability of SSD
[02:19] <daftykins> well you bought some pretty shit brands :P
[02:19] <safiyyah2> lol
[02:19] <safiyyah2> SanDisk is shit?
[02:20] <daftykins> only SSDs i've seen from them have been terrible slow performers
[02:20] <safiyyah2> lol
[02:20] <safiyyah2> well you know I have amazon prime
[02:21] <safiyyah2> and I dont really need a whole TB
[02:21] <safiyyah2> I can order and it will be here tomorrow
[02:22] <m0nkey_> i got some cheap ass sandisk, performance is good on it
[02:22] <daftykins> well, you know how useful one example is? ;)
[02:22] <safiyyah2> okay do I get a second drive or not?
[02:23] <daftykins> so i take it you're not wanting to install to this sandisk? :P
[02:23] <safiyyah2> i dont mind
[02:23] <safiyyah2> just wondering if I am buying a drive or not
[02:23] <daftykins> not until you know if this one will play along
[02:23] <safiyyah2> and also, I need the firefox bookmarks as well before we wipe it
[02:23] <safiyyah2> I forgot that yesterday
[02:24] <safiyyah2> also, do I set a /home partion or leave it to run as default?
[02:24] <daftykins> lets see if it'll mount
[02:25] <daftykins> "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[02:25] <safiyyah2> yes it's mounted
[02:25] <daftykins> so you could copy the whole lot onto your external
[02:26] <safiyyah2> dont need the whole 170gb of data
[02:26] <safiyyah2> I already backed up a month ago
[02:26] <daftykins> ah
[02:26] <safiyyah2> I already took the files I needed
[02:26] <daftykins> so just bookmarks then?
[02:26] <safiyyah2> yes please
[02:27] <daftykins> i don't have a clue where those are stored
[02:27] <daftykins> maybe .config/mozilla/
[02:27] <daftykins> total guess
[02:27] <safiyyah2> in the hidden folder in /home
[02:27] <daftykins> yeah there are multiple places these days though
[02:27] <safiyyah2> hmmm
[02:28] <daftykins>  /home/.mozilla might be one
[02:29] <safiyyah2> I need a superuser nautilus or nemo
[02:29] <daftykins> must you do things GUI ;_;
[02:29] <daftykins> ho-hum :P
[02:30] <safiyyah2> lol
[02:30] <safiyyah2> well its the quickest way to locate the actual file
[02:30] <daftykins> for some perhaps :>
[02:30] <daftykins> well, whichever method works
[02:30] <daftykins> i think xubuntu gives a run dialogue with alt+F2? might have to install gksu though
[02:31] <safiyyah2> i installed gksu
[02:31] <safiyyah2> but I think there is no nautilus?
[02:31] <daftykins> nah i think it's thunar on xu
[02:31] <safiyyah2> :)
[02:32] <safiyyah2> I dont know why I was thinking it was nemo
[02:32] <daftykins> i think that's an alternative
[02:34] <safiyyah2> Okay I got them
[02:34] <safiyyah2> am ready!
[02:34] <safiyyah2> so am I making a /home partition
[02:34] <safiyyah2> The OS needs only about 15gb right?
[02:35] <daftykins> can do, yeah... or you could install all as one, then if it works... when you buy another disk you can just move your /home onto there
[02:36] <safiyyah2> are you saying you can't move your /home if you partition the drive?
[02:36] <daftykins> you could, but then you'd have to mess around with resizing / to get it to fill that disk again
[02:37] <daftykins> basically, i'm saying install the OS to test if it works
[02:37] <daftykins> so there's no point planning for forever, right now
[02:37] <safiyyah2> okay
[02:37] <safiyyah2> thanks for pointing that out
[02:37] <daftykins> ;)
[02:37] <safiyyah2> getting on with the install
[02:37] <safiyyah2> back on the phone
[02:50] <daftykins> is it done yet!?
[02:59]  * daftykins nudges Safiyyah 
[02:59] <Safiyyah> No
[03:00] <daftykins> whaaaaat
[03:00] <daftykins> USB to SSD installs are meant to be lightning quick :>
[03:00] <Safiyyah> It is about  90‰ according to the strip that goes across
[03:01] <Safiyyah> Remember you said it was shit and slow maybe it heard you hehe
[03:01] <daftykins> 8D
[03:03] <Safiyyah> It is still quicker than.  The standard Ubuntu
[03:03] <Safiyyah> That took me ages
[03:03] <Safiyyah> And then it was bloated.  That's why I  switched to Xubuntu
[03:04] <daftykins> it is a bit
[03:04] <daftykins> but you are using a fairly old machine too :>
[03:07] <Safiyyah2> daftykins all done
[03:07] <Safiyyah2> and am in it now. all booted up
[03:08] <Safiyyah2> Installing updates
[03:09] <daftykins> yay
[03:09] <Safiyyah> Is there a next step....  Other than actually setting the system up...
[03:10] <Safiyyah> We can't dmesg it now can we?
[03:10] <daftykins> nah just watch dmesg | tail whilst installing updates, could be useful
[03:10] <Safiyyah> Okay just leave it running on the terminal
[03:10] <Safiyyah> ?
[03:10] <daftykins> nah it's a one time command
[03:12] <Safiyyah2> Where is the pipe key on the UK keyboard?
[03:12] <Safiyyah2> I have a multi-lingual keyboard
[03:12] <Safiyyah2> and I always set it to UK but that means some keys don't follow
[03:13] <daftykins> left shift and the \ beside it
[03:13] <daftykins> |||
[03:14] <Safiyyah2> nope nothing there
[03:14] <Safiyyah2> Unless I leave it as US
[03:14] <Safiyyah2> but then there won't be a £ sign
[03:15] <Safiyyah2> 40% of update done
[03:25] <Safiyyah2_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9361314/
[03:25] <Safiyyah2_> daftykins:  output of dmesg
[03:27] <daftykins> ah usual wrong screen res fun
[03:27] <daftykins> nothing much going on yep
[03:28] <Safiyyah2_> will sort out the resolution tomorrow
[03:29] <Safiyyah2_> am knackered
[03:29] <Safiyyah2_> it seems happy?
[03:29] <daftykins> could well be
[03:29] <Safiyyah2_> you are good at avoiding difinitive answers
[03:29] <daftykins> so time to return the corsair instead and maybe get something else
[03:30] <daftykins> so is your system
[03:30] <Safiyyah2_> lol Corsair two years old
[03:30] <Safiyyah2_> i think it's past warranty
[03:31] <Safiyyah2_> I will keep my money thanks
[03:31] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt to check
[03:31] <Safiyyah2_> lol
[03:31] <Safiyyah2_> will check with them.
[03:31] <daftykins> might just need a serial number from it put into their website
[03:31] <Safiyyah2_> am so. so . sooooooo grateful
[03:32] <Safiyyah2_> thank you so much
[03:32] <Safiyyah2_> atleast it's working again
[03:32] <Safiyyah2_> will sort the rest out in order of urgency
[03:32] <Safiyyah2_> lol
[03:32] <Safiyyah2_> so there is nothing wrong with my Sandisk drive?
[03:33] <daftykins> based on what has been done so far, it has been working
[03:33] <daftykins> but life isn't this black and white
[03:34] <Safiyyah2_> so cancel the return?
[03:34] <daftykins> for the time being, yep
[03:34] <Safiyyah2_> cool
[03:34] <daftykins> but it doesn't mean it's perfect
[03:34] <daftykins> you're after concrete answers which really don't happen in the hardware world
[03:34] <Safiyyah2_> off to bed. Still have to get up for the school run tomorrow and work
[03:35] <Safiyyah2_> I just want to know that as far as things stand, it's all sorted
[03:35] <Safiyyah2_> if it breaks again that's another issue
[03:35] <Safiyyah2_> but as of now, is it healthy?
[03:36] <daftykins> heh
[03:36] <daftykins> i don't want to comment any further, you're after things i can't provide
[03:37] <daftykins> just see how it goes
[03:37] <Safiyyah2_> lol
[03:37] <Safiyyah2_> you should be a politician
[03:37] <Safiyyah2_> lol
[03:37] <Safiyyah2_> night night
[07:03] <mapps> seesh
[07:03] <mapps> dont think i can save everyone
[07:04] <mapps> met a girl tonight thats got as many problems as me
[07:04] <mapps> but a way worse job and no money
[07:04]  * mapps cant help himself ....how can i help anyone else
[07:53] <zmoylan-pi> you're forgetting callahans law.  shared pain lessens shared joy increases
[07:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:09] <MooDoo> howdy dipli
[08:09] <MooDoo> doh too early
[08:15] <diplo> hah
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cookie Day! :-D
[09:37]  * davmor2 eats all the Cookies now it is happy belly day :)
[09:41] <JamesTait> davmor2, World Wildlife Conservation Day? You're wild life, aren't you? :-P
[09:42]  * zmoylan-pi swings across channel on handy vine
[09:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: I already Fund people looking after tigers and reintegrating them into the wild :)
[09:51] <JamesTait> I just look after mini tigers. ;)
[10:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://plus.google.com/photos?pid=5479982879927839602&oid=104244164525559506101
[10:02] <popey> rwar!
[10:05] <JamesTait> davmor2, I think I recognise him!
[10:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: been to India Recently?
[10:07] <JamesTait> davmor2, ah, no - must have been his South African cousin.
[10:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: Africa is Lion you muppet ;)
[10:12] <JamesTait> davmor2, this is not a lion: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamestait0/15918390796/
[10:14] <JamesTait> davmor2, this is a lion (and a lioness): https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamestait0/15321948254/
[10:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: first one is a lion in stripy pyjamas you can't blag my head ;)
[10:35] <JamesTait> davmor2, heheh. :) Stripey pyjama cat?
[10:35] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[10:36] <brobostigon> moring JamesTait
[10:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: Straight from the mouth of a meerkat so it must true right?
[10:57] <kaushal> Hi
[10:57] <kaushal> is there a way to know the port number from process id?
[10:59] <diplo> I think you can get that via netstat
[10:59] <diplo>  -p | grep the PID ?
[11:01] <kaushal> ok
[11:06] <kaushal> diplo: -p says program name as per man ps
[11:06] <kaushal> diplo: please correct me if i am wrong in interpreting it
[11:06] <kaushal> I did netstat -p | grep 22422
[11:07] <diplo> Says in man that it shows the Program name and the PID
[11:07] <kaushal> udp        0      0 localhost.localdomain:42599 localhost.localdomain:42599 ESTABLISHED 22422/postmaster
[11:07] <kaushal> diplo: i am interested to know the port number
[11:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:09] <diplo> I'm not a great netstat user but looks like netstat -apt | grep PID ?
[11:09] <xplora1a> add a -n to the netstat for faster responce
[11:10] <diplo> Worked here kaushal
[11:12] <kaushal> ok
[11:12] <kaushal> xplora1a: is it nestat -aptn | grep PID?
[11:13] <kaushal> i mean netstat*
[11:13] <kaushal> netstat -aptn | grep PID?
[11:13] <xplora1a> yes, the -n stops netstat doing a revers dns on every IP address
[11:13] <kaushal> xplora1a: ok
[11:14] <kaushal> what dos -a -p and -t options for?
[11:14] <kaushal> is -t meant for tcp?
[11:15] <xplora1a> -p is the PID/program name -t TCP only
[11:15] <kaushal> ok
[11:15] <kaushal> xplora1a: Thanks
[11:16] <kaushal> diplo: thanks
[11:16] <xplora1a> cah
[11:18] <kaushal> xplora1a: if i do netstat -aptn | grep 22761
[11:18] <kaushal> i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/9365914/
[11:18] <xplora1a> -a, --all
[11:18] <xplora1a>        Show both listening and non-listening sockets.  With  the  --interfaces
[11:18] <xplora1a>        option, show interfaces that are not up
[11:18] <kaushal> what does :::1103 and :::*  mean
[11:18] <kaushal> can i get the field header name?
[11:19] <kaushal> for tcp        0      0 :::1103                     :::*                        LISTEN      22761/java
[11:20] <xplora1a> those are listern ports so anything can connect to those ports. but if there werer established connections to those ports they would be seperatly listed
[11:20] <kaushal> xplora1a: ok
[11:21] <xplora1a> :::1103 is an IPv6 address
[11:21] <kaushal> ok
[11:21] <kaushal> xplora1a: one last question
[11:21] <xplora1a> ok
[11:22] <kaushal> how do i include header meaning column name
[11:22] <kaushal> in netstat -aptn | grep PID
[11:22] <xplora1a> not sure, have a look through man netstat
[11:22] <kaushal> ok
[11:25] <kaushal> netstat -an | head gives me the desired output
[11:25] <kaushal> but when i do netstat -an | head | grep 22761
[11:25] <kaushal> it returns nothing
[11:25] <kaushal> I know i am doing something wrong
[13:36]  * popey boggles that this thing has hit 12KUSD https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-ubutab-a-1tb-ubuntu-tablet-for-media-lovers
[13:44] <bigcalm> popey: worth while?
[13:44] <ali1234> well the really odd thing about that is they only want 36k
[13:44] <popey> yeah, can't see how it's viable
[13:44] <ali1234> that doesn't seem like enough for a production run, unless it's basically an existing tablet
[13:45] <diddledan> morning
[13:45] <bigcalm> Spinning rust in a tablet, wonder how long that will last
[13:46] <popey> like spinning rust in a laptop?
[13:46] <ali1234> not really. nobody actually uses a laptop on their lap
[13:46] <popey> nobody uses a tablet on their lap either :D
[13:46] <ali1234> yeah they hold it constantly
[13:46] <bigcalm> popey: I think that a tablet might be treated with a little less care than a laptop
[13:46] <ali1234> which means lots of shaking
[13:47] <popey> sure ㋛
[13:47] <ali1234> and laptop hard drives tend to die already
[13:50] <diddledan> I think it's on indiegogo rather than kickstarter because kickstarter would require proven prototypes before listing it
[13:50] <diddledan> indiegogo doesn't vet things so thoroughly
[13:50] <ali1234> they also require it's not just some existing peice of hardware that you are reselling
[13:51] <diddledan> good point
[13:51] <ali1234> anyway, i'd rather have a 256GB SSD in such a tablet. would be about the same price.
[13:51] <popey> wonder if anyone will ever get their device
[13:53] <diddledan> they must be reselling someone else's hardware to be able to deliver by their anticipated April deadline
[13:53] <m0nkey_> If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
[13:53] <m0nkey_> Nice concept, but would need to see a working model.
[13:54] <ali1234> the "hardware partner" is named on the comments page
[13:54] <ali1234> i like this comment: "Would much rather have a tablet running Ubuntu, so much more available as far as programs for the work I do."
[13:55] <ali1234> people still think convergence means "can run desktop software on phones"
[13:55] <ali1234> rather than "can run phone apps on the desktop"
[14:49] <awilkins> ARRGH another one of those websites that locks up my WHOLE BROWSER
[14:50] <awilkins> http://t.co/rqISLVSza3 << anyone else want to test?
[14:50] <awilkins> Makes Firefox grey out
[14:50] <awilkins> (mildly NSFW as it has a picture of a lady with lasers aimed at her groinal area)
[14:50] <diddledan> awilkins, love the picture
[14:51] <daftykins> maybe it's best you don't see it ;)
[14:52] <diddledan> now I'm wondering what made awilkins search for vaginal atrophy
[14:52] <awilkins> It was in my twitter feed
[14:52] <diddledan> lol
[14:52] <diddledan> yey for the twits
[14:53] <davmor2> awilkins: again why did you look?
[14:53] <awilkins> Tweet was : Career milestone achieved: [X] Write up a news story that demands a header image of lasers shooting out of a vagina.
[14:54] <davmor2> awilkins: and again you thought that's something I need to view ;)
[14:54] <daftykins> XD
[14:54] <awilkins> Shared it because of the annoying browser lockup thing
[14:55] <awilkins> Keeps happening to me recently, convinced it's to do with some of these evil clickbait things
[14:55] <diddledan> works fine in chromeland
[14:56] <diddledan> so the new 007/bond movie is to be called "spectre"
[14:56] <davmor2> awilkins: works fine but slowly in firefox. It is really slow to scroll though
[14:56] <awilkins> Yeah, the slow scrolling is a symptom too
[14:58] <daftykins> i like the progress bar shading in the bit on the right as you read through
[16:14] <foobarry> fire at hermes
[16:15] <foobarry> also, who has done RHCSA or RHCE lately?
[16:42] <diddledan> foobarry, where's hermes?
[16:43] <diddledan> aah it's an american parcel co?
[16:43] <foobarry>  Yesterday evening, Wednesday 3rd December we experienced a fire at our key hub in Warrington, causing significant damage to our main sorter. We would like to assure you that no one was injured in the fire an
[16:43] <foobarry> "no parcels have been damaged."
[16:43] <foobarry> With immediate effect we have activated a new central hub at Bradford to process extra volumes and are evaluating other potential sites today to provide additional support.
[16:43] <diddledan> aah, warrington, not washington >.<
[16:43] <diddledan> lol
[17:01] <mapps> well that was stinky
[17:01] <mapps> 2 iphone charging cables
[17:02] <mapps> bought them off amazon unofficial few quid each
[17:02] <mapps> neither work..used them once
[17:02] <foobarry> blew up your house?
[17:02] <mapps> nah
[17:02] <mapps> just nothing happens when i plug phone in to them
[17:03] <daftykins> mapps: lightning?
[17:03] <mapps> ya
[17:03] <daftykins> mmm you can't really go cheap on those :(
[17:04] <mapps> why?
[17:04] <Myrtti> they're either licensed or they don't work
[17:04] <foobarry> heh
[17:04] <Myrtti> and the license cost
[17:04] <Myrtti> s
[17:04] <mapps> they worked at first tho
[17:04] <foobarry> lightning never strikes twice
[17:04] <foobarry> or always...
[17:04] <foobarry> i never remember
[17:06] <diddledan> mapps, they're required to have a chip in them and the iphone will kill any that are using a dodgy or no license
[17:06] <diddledan> IIRC
[17:06] <diddledan> and IANAL
[17:07] <daftykins> that's a really unfortunate acronym
[17:07] <diddledan> daftykins, for you maybe ;-)
[17:08] <diddledan> teehee
[17:26] <daftykins> diddledan: i thought that assistance would never end last night ;)
[17:26] <diddledan> heh, I went to bed
[17:27] <daftykins> she was demanding i state whether it was working or not, solely from one install and dmesg staying relatively quiet
[17:28] <daftykins> i think i need a Scottie reference here somewhere
[17:28] <diddledan> :-)
[17:28] <diddledan> scottie ftw
[17:29] <diddledan> "I've given you all I've got"
[17:29] <daftykins> i liked a cartoon parody i saw the other day
[17:30] <daftykins> constant interruptions to Kirk over the radio, Scottie saying "uuuh, you're not gonnae believe this cap'n, but whenever i say i'm giving it all she's got... i've only just seen the lever goes another 1/3rd up - so i literally CAN make us go faster"
[17:30] <daftykins> "given most of the drama we're in could be evaded by going just a little bit faster, i'd like to apologies Cap'n for putting us in harms way so often"
[17:31] <diddledan> it's the rocker's method of going "1 faster"
[18:21]  * popey points everyone at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-December/038109.html
[18:21]  * popey hopes some people reply at some point ☻
[18:22] <daftykins> a support event could be fun!
[18:24] <diddledan> hmm, do I need chocolate or not?
[18:24] <diddledan> it does sound like a good idea
[18:24] <diddledan> got 30 minutes before the shop closes
[18:25] <daftykins> you ALWAYS need chocolate, diddledan
[18:25] <diddledan> yeah, that's what I was thinking
[18:25] <daftykins> i polished off a galaxy bar of ~112g last night to recover from support giving
[18:25] <diddledan> :-)
[18:25] <diddledan> brb. shop time.
[18:33] <daftykins> i like the message from the chap about old PCs, Pentium D his daily driver? poor chap
[19:09]  * diddledan sent a commandline love command to uupc \o/
[19:10] <popey> I think we've done that one
[19:10] <diddledan> awww
[19:13] <popey> hmm, maybe not
[19:13] <popey> just went back through many
[20:34] <diddledan> ok, I want a 3d printer now: http://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/you-can-3d-print-your-very-own-moving-stargate-1610922/
[20:46] <daftykins> surely you mean the temporary use of one, forget ownership ;)
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> once you have access to one and know the formula for stargate addresses....
[20:49] <shauno> gotta admit that's one thing I don't see the appeal of
[20:49] <daftykins> shauno: 3D printers in general?
[20:49] <shauno> from the few people I've talked to who have one, it seems half the fun is getting it working.  and the other half is fixing it
[20:49] <diddledan> shauno, a stargate or a 3d printer?
[20:49] <daftykins> yeah definitely
[20:50] <daftykins> remember those HP TouchPad tablets? i'm wiping mine ahead of popping it on ebay
[20:51] <daftykins> just had to interact with good ol' WebOS briefly, what a classic :D
[20:55] <diddledan> eep
[21:01] <diddledan> I made a noise that shouldn't come out of a beardy hippy bloke: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2621615897/
[21:15] <dogmatic69> anyone know of a mouse button 'debounce' setting?
[21:16] <dogmatic69> 1/2 of clicks are now double clicks some how
[21:17] <intrbiz> if your using KDE, you can set the double click interval
[21:17] <daftykins> tried another mouse?
[21:17] <dogmatic69> just boring old 14.something
[21:17] <dogmatic69> unity I guess
[21:20] <daftykins> plug something else in just to be sure, had someone with a mouse that'd given up on life the other day
[21:20] <dogmatic69> it is well used, probably 6 years old...
[21:21] <dogmatic69> with around 2 years of MC
[21:22] <daftykins> 2 years in a motorcycle club, that's a fine mouse
[21:22] <dogmatic69> lol
[21:22] <dogmatic69> mine craft...
[21:23] <daftykins> aaaaaaah