[04:47] <Kilos> morning peeps
[05:24] <bduk> More almal
[05:24] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[05:24] <Kilos> aw i missed a new visitor
[05:30] <bduk> Explain??
[05:30] <Kilos> * victorek (~victor@2601:c:9900:10c2:549:97a8:c9b9:1236) has joined
[05:30] <Kilos> * Tonberry_ (~Tonberry@105-237-6-96.access.mtnbusiness.co.za) has joined
[05:30] <Kilos> * victorek (~victor@2601:c:9900:10c2:549:97a8:c9b9:1236) has left 
[05:31] <Kilos> dont you see join messages?
[06:15] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:16]  * Kilos slumming a while
[06:18] <Squirm> morning
[06:18] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:33] <Kilos> oh ThatGraemeGuy do you guys take on youngsters in like an apprenticeship?
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> hrmmmm like a student for a few weeks/months?
[06:34] <Kilos> i dont know what things are called nowadays
[06:34] <Kilos> well, blaze is still at school this coming year and then he needs a job i think
[06:35] <Kilos> blazehen, you here?
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> not that I know of
[06:35] <Kilos> if you hear of someone that does please tell us , ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm pretty sure we would hire someone into the support dept if they had the right soft skills
[06:36] <Kilos> he gets disheartened because all jobs want peeps with experience, but how does a youngster get experience
[06:36] <blazehen> Kilos, yeah
[06:36] <blazehen> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> we provide all the technical training, so you needn't really be a wiz to start in support
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> having a bit of tech knowledge helps too though
[06:37] <Kilos> he runs lots things from home and is clued with coding
[06:37] <blazehen> ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:37] <blazehen> Mind sharing where you work?
[06:37] <Kilos> hetzner
[06:38] <blazehen> ah
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/hP9PCm/Support-Consultants.html
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's for a support person, the only hard requirement is matric
[06:38] <blazehen> oh, nice :)
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a great way to get started for somone straight out of school
[06:39] <blazehen> yeah, ty for the info :)
[06:39] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're welcome
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone use i3wm?
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm itching for a new DE and it looks different enough to be interesting
[06:40] <blazehen> ThatGraemeGuy, I used it a bit, and IIRC either charl or superfly does
[06:40] <blazehen> Have you tried awesome? I'm running that ATM
[06:40] <Kilos> charl ya
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah that's another tiling one yeah?
[06:41] <blazehen> yeah
[06:41] <blazehen> But not really "dynamic" tiling if I can call it that
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> time to fire up some testing VMs
[06:41] <blazehen> you just get defined layouts in a lua file
[06:42] <blazehen> All the config is in lua
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> I know a little bot of Lua from playing too much minetest :)
[06:42] <Kilos> lol
[06:42] <blazehen> Want a screenshot of my setup on lua?
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah lets have a look
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have 2 screens and i typically have 1 full-screen app in each, but I've been realising that in most cases there's a ton of empty space in each, seems I could use the space better
[06:45] <blazehen> http://theblazehen.com/scrot.png
[06:45] <Kilos> eeeek
[06:46] <blazehen> Kilos, ?
[06:46] <Kilos> i could never use something like that
[06:47] <blazehen> hah, just takes a few minutes to learn
[06:48] <Kilos> for me thats months not minutes
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> looks good
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> esp IRC window has less wasted space
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> by comparison, my irc window has about the same lines, but a lot of blank space on the right
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://i.imgur.com/GD2hjqq.png
[06:56] <blazehen> I'm using dual monitors, but yeah, I often tile firefox, with vlc and IRC windows
[06:56] <blazehen> Hmm, yeah.. On wide screen tiling is real good
[06:56] <blazehen> I'm running 1024x768 + 1600x900
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have 2 1920x1080 here. If I had the right model screens I could use my laptop's screen too
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> intel gfx can't do 3 screens if they have different timings, and the 2 screens have different timings to the laptop's screen :(
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> 60.0Hz vs 60.1Hz
[06:58] <blazehen> Oh, wow.. That sucks
[06:58] <blazehen> Can't force one to 60?
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> at least not any way I've found
[06:59] <blazehen> Hmm.. Been thinking of getting a 3rd here, but my CRT flickers too much at 60 Hz :(
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> I should ask our local IT support guy of anyone has it working
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe I can trade my 2 monitors for a different model that allows it to work
[06:59] <blazehen> yeah, that'd be nice
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah LCDs don't flicker thankfully
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> in the CRT days I could barely cope with 75Hz
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> 80+ was perfect typically
[07:01] <blazehen> heh, just glad my HDMI -> VGA converter supports 75 Hz
[07:04] <Kilos> see ThatGraemeGuy he will be a good catch for some company
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> that isn't really what our support people deal with :P
[07:18] <Kilos> oh
[07:18] <Kilos> start a new trend for them
[07:18] <Kilos> hehe
[07:18] <Kilos> support with everything
[07:23] <blazehen> Kilos, heh, some places actually are like that
[07:24] <blazehen> read the stories at reddit.com/user/bytewave/submitted/ if you want
[07:25] <blazehen> I like this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/2ng4rx/sure_our_telco_can_torrent_your_movie/
[08:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:17]  * Kilos thinks with seriosity
[08:17] <Kilos> hehe
[08:17] <Kilos> seriotensity
[08:22] <theblazehen> lol
[08:25] <Kilos> got a cpu fan that has all the ends broken off the mounting bracket
[08:26] <theblazehen> lol, duct tape?
[08:26] <Kilos> need to work a plan to use screws from under the motherboard to hold them safely in place
[08:26] <Kilos> no man it has to mount preciselt so the sink lies centre on the cpu
[08:26] <Kilos> precisely
[08:27] <theblazehen> ooh, heat sink too..
[08:27] <Kilos> oh its the sinks brackets that has broken mounts
[08:28] <Kilos> ya the sink is the important part
[08:28] <Kilos> fan can be jury rigged on top
[08:29] <theblazehen> Which mobo is that for?
[08:29] <Kilos> i3 p45t-a
[08:30] <Kilos> this one im on hasnt given any hassles since getting a new drive and installing kubuntu
[08:31] <Kilos> rather boring
[08:41] <Kilos> thats why im on unity here now on a repaired drive
[08:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> I need to update my windows 7 VM more often. Just grabbed 1.3GB of updates :-o
[09:04] <Kilos> whew
[09:07] <Kilos> hi there superfly inetpro charl 
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[09:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> so with a 100Mbit internet connection downloading 1.3GB of updates is MUCH faster than actually installing them
[09:08] <Kilos> lol
[09:09] <superfly> ohi
[09:10] <Kilos> sjoe , forgot where i put my vernia. not often used on computers
[09:13] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy, heh, nice. Love that feel on my VPS too. You try win 10 tech preview yet?
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, I have no real interest in following developments in Windowsland, I just have a VM for when I absolutely have to use it
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> and judging by the fact that the last time I booted it was also just because I thought hey maybe I should update it, I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't just dump it
[09:16] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy, yeah, I keep a win 8.1 dual boot for skyrim
[09:16] <theblazehen> And a VM on my ESXi machine for other stuff
[09:16] <theblazehen> Don't use it apart from that
[10:11] <captine> hi all
[10:11] <Kilos> hi captine 
[10:12] <theblazehen> hi captine 
[10:13] <captine> http://imgur.com/JANQvkZ - how does one report this to canonical / web admins?  am asking in the main #ubuntu channel as well
[10:14] <theblazehen> captine, AFAIK there is an ubuntu bugs project
[10:14] <theblazehen> hava a google for that
[10:18] <Kilos> theblazehen, go win me this lappy please
[10:18] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/664401-Gigabyte-P25W-R20-000-laptop-giveaway
[10:18] <Kilos> i can never get to type in done
[10:19] <theblazehen> Kilos, I can try..
[10:19] <Kilos> no man dont try, just win it
[10:19] <Kilos> then we swap it for an i7 cpu for here
[10:20] <theblazehen> might break the rules
[10:20] <Kilos> after youve one it rules dont apply anymore
[10:21] <Kilos> so be leagal till its in your hands
[10:21] <Kilos> looks like a good lappy that
[10:22] <captine> theblazehen, thanks.  popey on #ubuntu has reported it
[10:22] <captine> think he is on the community management team 
[10:25] <theblazehen> Kilos, nah, can only make 1 entry..
[10:26] <Kilos> ya one is good. only one can win
[10:28] <Kilos> yay i got to eventually say done, after all that page to page and register and forgot password and all
[10:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:38] <Squirm> shoh
[10:38] <Squirm> it's hot
[10:38] <Squirm> and my feet are sore
[10:41] <Kilos> oh my Squirm you playing gofer
[10:41] <Kilos> do you stand at work?
[11:41] <Squirm> Kilos: been working in our warehouse, in receiving. During the peak season, everybody does an extra bit to help out
[11:55] <Kilos> aha
[14:22] <Kilos> hi Cantide wb captine 
[14:22] <Cantide> hello :p
[14:23] <Kilos> hows the korican
[14:23] <Cantide> cold
[14:23] <Kilos> korearican
[14:23] <Cantide> it's currently -6 C
[14:23] <Kilos> lol is it winter there now
[14:23] <Cantide> other than that, all is well :p
[14:23] <Kilos> ouch
[14:23] <Cantide> yes
[14:23] <Cantide> how is SA? :p
[14:24] <Kilos> lekker warm
[14:24] <Cantide> lol
[14:24] <Cantide> let's swap for the season
[14:25] <Cantide> what have i missed here? :D
[14:25] <Kilos> no man i hate cold as well
[14:25] <Cantide> lol
[14:25] <Cantide> i cycled in the snow the other day, it was actually nice
[14:25] <Kilos> anything under 20°c is cold to me
[14:25] <Cantide> lol
[14:25] <Cantide> anything under 0 is cold to me
[14:26] <Kilos> big change from durbs hey
[14:26] <Kilos> there i dont think it ever gets below 6°c
[14:27] <Cantide> yeah
[14:27] <Cantide> at night even lol
[14:28] <Cantide> but it's really fine so long as you dress appropriately
[14:28] <Kilos> and being young helps
[14:28] <Cantide> that, too
[14:28] <Cantide> i was wearing 3 layers today
[14:28] <Cantide> wasn't bad at all
[14:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:28] <Cantide> just my face froze lol
[14:29] <Kilos> i was just gonna ask how you hide your nose
[14:30] <Cantide> can't lol
[14:30] <Cantide> i have a hood, that's about it
[14:30] <Cantide> or wear a mask sometimes
[14:31] <Cantide> my apartment is heated, so right now i'm okay :p
[14:31] <Cantide> i'll make some coffee, brb
[16:42] <Kilos> sigh, power in za is frustrating
[16:56] <captine> love load shedding
[16:56] <Kilos> ya
[16:56] <Kilos> sigh
[16:56] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock 
[17:25] <Joe_knock> hey there oom Kilos 
[18:05] <nlsthzn> Sup ZA peeps :)
[18:05] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn hows ya
[18:06] <nlsthzn> fine uncle Kilos and yourself?
[18:06] <Kilos> good ty neelsie
[18:07] <nlsthzn> glad to hear :)
[18:09] <Kilos> oh neelsie you didnt say we lost crashkid and the weed to silicon valley
[18:10] <nlsthzn> ?
[18:10] <Kilos> in the re-evaluation thing
[18:10] <nlsthzn> I have no idea about that uncle Kilos 
[18:11] <Kilos> and we must make a point of asking them to drop it now seeing as with this one we will be a loco for 10 years
[18:11] <Kilos> ok ill add it to my thing
[18:11] <Kilos> um
[18:11] <Kilos> er
[18:11] <Kilos> my story thing
[18:11] <Kilos> testimonial
[18:13] <nlsthzn> drop what now?
[18:13] <Kilos> im lost nlsthzn 
[18:13] <Kilos> oh
[18:13] <Kilos> the need to re-evaluate every 2 years
[18:14] <nlsthzn> they will not drop the requirements just because we ask :p
[18:14] <nlsthzn> this is an international thing with good reasons for existing
[18:15] <Kilos> na
[18:15] <Kilos> tiring and stressfull
[18:15] <nlsthzn> not really.  But we are in need of fresh blood so to speak :)
[18:16] <Kilos> i forgot what i told maaz to remember the link to our page
[18:16] <charl> good evening
[18:16] <Kilos> sigh
[18:16] <Kilos> hi charl 
[18:16] <charl> hi Kilos 
[18:16] <Kilos> why dont you put a testimonial there too charl
[18:17] <Kilos> tell them how glad you are to be a part of us with all the free coffee maaz makes you
[18:17] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz, re-verification
[18:18] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[18:18] <Kilos> ha
[18:18] <charl> lol Kilos are you people busy with that again
[18:19] <Kilos> ya we get re-verified on the 16th
[18:21]  * nlsthzn plays some games with the family... bbl
[18:35] <Kilos> naand inetpro 
[18:47] <Kilos> wb theblazehen 
[18:48] <theblazehen> ah, ty
[18:48] <theblazehen> didn't even know I diisconnected..
[18:49] <Kilos> hehe
[18:49] <theblazehen> No wonder my network stuff wasn't working
[18:49] <Kilos> i see it all
[18:49] <theblazehen> firewall got the blazme
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <theblazehen> nope, firwall deserves the blame..
[18:56] <Kilos> haha
[18:57] <theblazehen> What kinda firewall doesn't pass UDP?!
[18:57] <theblazehen> like it says UDP is enabled, but it wont pass
[18:57] <Kilos> what firewall you using
[18:58] <theblazehen> built in one on router
[18:58] <Kilos> oi
[18:58] <theblazehen> stops brother from playing too much minecraft
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:59] <Kilos> i love that game
[18:59] <Kilos> but eats data
[18:59] <Kilos> made for uncapped adsl peeps
[19:01] <theblazehen> ya
[19:01] <theblazehen> This temperature is too hot :(
[19:02]  * theblazehen turns off CRT
[19:02] <Joe_knock> the summer weather?
[19:03] <theblazehen> yeah
[19:03] <theblazehen> Phone battery at 34.6
[19:03] <theblazehen> So room temp is at least 30
[19:03] <Kilos> mine is near flat just from whatsapping grrr
[19:03] <Joe_knock> it is unusually hot for an evening
[19:03] <Kilos> tomorrow gonna be 34°c
[19:04] <Joe_knock> oom, this weather must be mild for you, kZN is way hotter
[19:04] <Kilos> the temp seems to have risen in the last hour
[19:04] <theblazehen> Kilos, ai :(
[19:04] <theblazehen> Kilos, ya, did here at least
[19:04] <Kilos> must be storm brewing somewhere
[19:04]  * theblazehen hopes
[19:05] <Kilos> lol
[19:05] <Kilos> get a fan man
[19:05] <Kilos> Joe_knock, i love hot weather
[19:05] <Kilos> suffer here in winter
[19:06] <Joe_knock> i haven't met many people say "i love hot weather"
[19:06] <Kilos> the fly also does
[19:07] <theblazehen> Kilos, Ceiling fan is running, but can't open big windows, or door due to dogs
[19:07] <Kilos> i think only us two here like it hot
[19:07] <Kilos> ai! theblazehen 
[19:07] <Kilos> those ceiling fans are for show
[19:08] <Kilos> best is put a fan on the floor with a dish of cold water in front of it
[19:08] <theblazehen> Kilos, Ya :(
[19:08] <theblazehen> ooh good idea
[19:08] <Kilos> then you will feel the diffs
[19:08] <theblazehen> ya, tomorrow then
[19:09] <Kilos> air moving over water drops temp quick
[19:09] <captine> i love hot weather.  lived in Philippines for 20 months
[19:09] <captine> best temps ever
[19:10] <Kilos> whats it like there captine 
[19:10] <Kilos> i like temps between 20°c and 35°c
[19:11] <theblazehen> heh, this afternoon I had to walk out of my room for like 10 min, because it was too hot
[19:11] <Kilos> ah afternoon sun on it theblazehen ?
[19:11] <Kilos> use the hose on the wall outside
[19:14] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[19:14] <captine> Kilos, i loved it
[19:14] <theblazehen> Kilos, oh ya, good idea
[19:14] <captine> regret having left
[19:14] <theblazehen> ty
[19:14] <captine> lovely people, fun lifestyle
[19:14] <Kilos> all my ideas are good, except for the bad ones
[19:14] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:14] <Kilos> temps captine 
[19:15] <theblazehen> captine, hows the temperatures there?
[19:15] <captine> two seasons.  hot and then the hot +wet.
[19:15] <captine> summer, 32 degrees at 8am
[19:16] <captine> every room in house had aircon
[19:16] <Kilos> max?
[19:16] <captine> hottest temp our car recorded was in a car park at about 42
[19:16] <Kilos> the wind died down theblazehen thats why it warmed up
[19:16] <captine> it pretty much is between 26 and 38
[19:17] <Kilos> thats good weather for heat lovers
[19:17] <Kilos> whats the winter temps like captine ?
[19:24] <Joe_knock> east asia is a cool place to live. plus its indian ocean, so warm ocean water
[19:28] <captine> lol
[19:28] <captine> there is no winter
[19:28] <captine> only dry heat, or raining heat
[19:28] <captine> lowest it got while i was there was 15
[19:29] <Kilos> thast lekker. like in the tropics
[19:29] <Joe_knock> what made you come back to SA?
[19:35]  * Kilos yawns
[19:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:06] <gremble> o/
[21:15] <theblazehen_> Hi gremble 
[21:21] <gremble> Hey theblazehen_ 
[21:38] <Joe_knock> results out? gremble 
[21:41] <gremble>  Yup. So far passed everything. Missed my distinctions, but can't do much about that
[21:41] <gremble> Wrote Geology on monday, so just waiting for that now
[21:54] <Joe_knock> exam on 1 december? strange that it is so late
[21:55] <gremble> Was the Aergotat (sick exam). I had Numerical analysis and geology scheduled for the same time on the 13th of Nov
[21:55] <Joe_knock> oh okie. numeric analysis would be wtw 26* ?
[21:56] <gremble> for engineers yes
[21:56] <gremble> for me it is 123
[21:56] <Joe_knock> first year? Arent you second year?
[21:56] <gremble> I have a bunch of first year math subjects that I had to catch up with. Switched from CompSci to Applied math
[21:58] <Joe_knock> oh yes. how has your year been with applied math?
[21:59] <gremble> Hard. Had to drop philosophy. Dynamical systems was pretty insane. I think engineers have it as wtw 264 or something like that - Differential equations
[21:59] <Joe_knock> tuks does push out some of the smartest engineers in SA
[22:00] <gremble> Well, hopefully I get to add my name to one of the greats from SA :P
[22:01] <gremble> I can't remember what you do
[22:01] <gremble> :x
[22:02] <Joe_knock> I don't think I told you :P
[22:03] <Joe_knock> I had a weird experience at a job interview yesterday.
[22:03] <gremble> You often have weird experiences at job interviews?
[22:05] <Joe_knock> yeah, it wasn't a run of the mill type of interview. The guy decided to go all philosophical on me
[22:06] <gremble> Did you blow his mind with your insights?
[22:06] <gremble> For what was the interview?
[22:07] <Joe_knock> I actually just let him talk, as he did provide some valuable info.
[22:07] <Joe_knock> for a web-dev job
[22:09] <gremble> I have the same regard for front-end webdevs that I have for accountants, teachers, nurses, sales people and the likes. Fucking amazing shit that I would not be able to do 
[22:10] <Joe_knock> I'm beginning to regret not taking accounting as an elective though.
[22:11] <Joe_knock> that is a prized skill in SA
[22:11] <gremble> Nope. I'd rather pay someone to do that who is a professional and knows what is up with what
[22:11] <gremble> If you want a prized skill, become a certified linux engineer
[22:13] <Joe_knock> You think so? I should register for the LPiC then
[22:13] <Joe_knock> pay isn't too great for sysadmins though
[22:13] <gremble> There aren't linux system admins/engineers in SA
[22:13] <gremble> I was talking with a guy at SFD this year
[22:14] <gremble> who complained about it. They are few and far between and expensive
[22:14] <Joe_knock> There are plenty certified sysadmins in SA. check out: lsd.co.za
[22:18] <gremble> I thought about doing it, you know as a back up career. But decided that I would rather focus 140% of my energy into something I fully and thoroughly enjoy instead
[22:18] <gremble> and If I end up becoming a homeless mathematician, so be it
[22:19] <Joe_knock> Banks value talented mathematicians.
[22:19] <gremble> What is LSD?
[22:20] <Joe_knock> It's a linux company.
[22:20] <Joe_knock> Or kinda like a consulting firm I think
[22:23] <gremble> No where does it say :P
[22:25] <Joe_knock> http://www.lsd.co.za/go-to/about-lsd
[22:29] <gremble> That still does not say what they do. I duno if they are being vague on purpose though :p
[22:32] <Joe_knock> I think they see themselves as broad open source providers. Training, certification and custom services
[22:43] <gremble_> I don't understand why I have such issues connecting to freenode :|
[22:44] <Joe_knock> Is it your connection?
[22:44] <Joe_knock> Try using the free wifi in hatfield and see if that works
[22:47] <gremble_> Ya that is really far away right now :P I don't think 12Km wifi exists yet
[22:47] <gremble_> It does look like something is killing my connection
[22:47] <Joe_knock> The wifi area is massive for Pretoria now.
[22:48] <gremble_> Haven't reached us yet
[22:50] <gremble_> I think I am going to hit the sack
[22:50] <gremble_> Cheers Joe_knock 
[22:50] <Joe_knock> cheers. tc