[00:57] Noskcaj: good question... I'll poke it a bit and see [01:43] bluesabre: Thanks for committing that. [10:17] bug 1399048 [10:17] bug 1399048 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.14" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399048 [10:38] so it begins [10:39] :) [10:41] another cycle? [10:41] or another day? ;P [10:58] yes, that too [10:58] :D [10:58] talking about the gtk-3.14 update [11:23] bluesabre: the xfce4 meta package recommends desktop-base, which makes sense in debian. should we change it to suggests in ubuntu? [11:23] the package installs debian background, grub + plymouth theme and so on [11:23] bug 1080865 [11:23] bug 1080865 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "Debian instead of Ubuntu grub splash" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080865 [11:24] or just keep things untouched and mark it as won't fix? [11:26] Changes sync => delta, I wouldn't. [11:27] yes, that's the problem [11:27] but this meta package does not get changes very often [11:27] changed [11:30] (And desktop-base has/will have some pretty sweet artwork. :P ) [11:32] or create a new package for xfce4 to depend on that introduces ubuntu/xfce art [11:33] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Lines if that one wins for example, I can see myself using it. :P [11:33] it should use the default ubuntu grub/plymouth theme and Xfce desktop background [11:34] if desktop-base is not present [11:34] well, that's what I would expect [11:34] -base stuff is hardly seen. [11:35] Also, we plan on keeping xfce-4.12 updated? [11:35] i'd hope we could land it soon [11:36] there has been talks about releasing before the end of the year [11:36] release without alpha, beta and rc phase? [11:45] i don't know the details. [11:45] but to be fair, there has been a lot of preparation time.. [11:54] you are right, but with the recent amount of new commits there should be some time frame to test everything [11:54] for potential regressions [12:00] i'm not the one who decides on releasing, i've just heard that discussion [12:01] so please follow the discussion and raise the question in #xfce-dev if it seems like things are progressing too fast [12:04] ok then [12:05] And the mailing list a bit too. [12:20] yep === knome_ is now known as knome [19:15] Hello. [19:15] hello [19:17] So I have to make an account at the launchpad, on Ubuntu One to help contribute/ [19:17] ? [19:18] Not a problem... :~) [19:19] it's not a hard requirement, but it helps with a lot of things [19:19] and welcome [19:19] I love Linux so far, but I have had some troubles with it... but no bigey, as it's part of the learning process. [19:19] have you got an idea what would you like to contribute with? [19:19] I actually just installed Xubuntu on Tuesday I believ.e [19:19] s/with/to/ [19:19] I'd like to help with some bugs I'm having, and I could help translate to. [19:21] if you have a spare machine (or are willing to do vm tests), you can help with testing the newest releases and application versions [19:21] otherwise, simply filing the bugs and following up with information the developers as is good [19:21] translations are handled here and there; are you familiar with this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations yet? [19:21] I do have a spare machine... but it's "legacy hardware". [19:21] Thanks. [19:21] that's okay [19:22] Xubuntu should run alright on it though. [19:22] either elfy, slickymaster or me can give you more information on testing (though i'm going to be off soon) [19:22] I wanted to get a 1 GB RAM stick from my family member that he'd never used, and put it into my old XP system with only 512MB of RAM. [19:22] xubuntu running fine is a good start; what we test with our image and package testing is that NEW application versions and core stuff works with xubuntu [19:22] Alright... I apologize if I'm unfamiliarized with some terminology, like I said, I'm a bit of a Linux newbie. [19:23] that's okay :) [19:23] the image testing pretty much means you'll install xubuntu on the machine once per test [19:23] so it's not suitable for a machine that's used daily [19:24] Yeah, I don't really use that machine at all... I was going to try to get Q4OS, on it, but I failed. [19:24] Xubuntu, I'm so happy that I was led to it. [19:24] there's quite a bunch of good information at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing for testing [19:24] It seems it's exactly what I was looking for in a Linux. [19:24] glad to hear that :) [19:25] I wanted a plain, and simple linux, that's modest, and yet is stable, and fast, and has a strong community. [19:25] But at the same time, I wanted a more "pretty" looking linux. [19:25] Xubuntu is it. [19:25] great! [19:25] And I love the fact that Linux is a thriving community of people wanting to help one-another. [19:25] And everything for the most part is open-source. [19:25] How it should be! [19:26] :D [19:26] i'm going to run off for some time now, but feel free to ask questions as you go; i'll answer when i'm back if you're still here, and/or others are able to assist you to get started as well [19:26] thanks for the interest! [19:26] Okay, sure. [19:26] I understand. [19:29] So lightweight! I'm only using 18% memory. [20:31] Logan_: Any chance I can trick you into uploading a git snapshot into vivid? Current version is 100% useless as the API changed: Debian #770133. [20:31] Debian bug 770133 in gcalcli "gcalcli 2.x is no longer compatible with google's api" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/770133 [20:42] evening everyone [20:43] * ochosi tried to follow while being away [20:43] but let me know if there are important news i might've missed [20:46] ochosi: Still not sure if it's of interest to you, but I built a package with the patch from Xfce: #11255. [20:46] xfce bug 11255 in General "[Xfce4-datetime-plugin] close window and deactive button on focus-out event" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11255 [20:47] oh nice [20:47] It's there, I don't care really if Xubuntu wants it or not, but I needed it. :P [20:48] added to the buglist [20:48] need to figure out who has push rights there [20:48] thing is, we don't use it in xubuntu anymore [20:49] but still, it seems like a good idea to implement that [20:49] We don't? [20:49] Huh. [20:49] we use the panel-internal clock plugin, unless i'm mistaken [20:56] OK, I'm just confused now. :D [21:00] ochosi: Right, so xfce4-datetime-plugin wasn't even installed on this computer, was just the other one. Seems it was leftover from something... So, while the patch is very handy, 'Clock' is default and a replacement. [21:00] yup [21:00] and clock doesn't have that problem [21:01] No, so there's only minor differences, unless that other bug that I linked to gets fixed, then I'm back to datetime. :P [21:01] So is it still worth uploading the patched version? === ET_Warrior is now known as etwarrior [21:05] sure [21:06] but it'd also be nice getting it merged upstream [21:08] https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-datetime-plugin_0.6.2-2ubuntu2.dsc [21:09] ochosi: Hey, I see you're in this chat too! [21:11] well yes [21:12] So you're a developer then? [21:13] ypu [21:13] yup [21:13] I would like to help with the Xubuntu project myself. [21:13] ochosi is the Xubuntu project lead. [21:14] Oh wow! Haha. [21:14] yeah, read it in the backlog etwarrior [21:14] new contributors are always more than welcome [21:14] Nice to meat you. [21:14] meet* [21:14] i've just been away for a few days, so i'm still catching up on things [21:15] Well I can certainly try to help with the project... I personally like the Xfce, and even the LXDE environments, and the MATE one is okay too. [21:15] But I went with Xubuntu. [21:15] I have a few things written down here that I was having trouble with. [21:16] you mean bugs or missing features? [21:16] Just some bugs I'm haivng. [21:16] having* [21:16] A lot of them seem to have been sorted out actually, haha... probably the updates that fixed them. [21:17] Sometimes if I return to my computer from sleep mode (since it's a laptop), I have to force restart because I get a black screen. [21:17] yeah, there are issues with suspend [21:18] are you on a macbook? [21:18] Is this the ll bug? [21:19] no [21:19] even without ll, i saw that black screen bug on a macbook [21:19] Yes. [21:19] I was on a macbook. [21:19] or am [21:19] I think that I sent a report in. [21:19] So you must've got it? [21:20] probably, but i get so much bugmail these days, i don't have enough time to check them "all" [21:21] I would like to help with translating too... [21:22] Uhh, is there a way to use other characters on Linux; I'm sure there is.. [21:22] Je parle francais. [21:22] but the 'c' has to have the cedile on it. [21:22] yeah, check the keyboard layout [21:23] I see.. [21:25] Je parle francais un peu. [21:25] So just a bit, but I think that I understand it good enough that I could help. [21:26] etwarrior, did you check the link a pasted to you about translations? [21:27] Uhh... if I did, I lost it; but I don't know if I did click it or not.. [21:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations [21:28] Thanks. [21:29] C'est lire-marked. ;¬) [21:29] It's book-marked... haha. [21:30] marked isn't the french, not sure what it would be. [21:30] bookmark is the correct term [21:31] No, but lire = book, but I didn't know the French term for marked. [21:32] right... maybe translating to french isn't your forte then :P [21:32] etwarrior: errrm, "livre" = book "lire" = read [21:32] Oh, right... [21:33] Like I said, my French isn't 100%. [21:33] I understand how the language works a lot better than I did though. [21:34] The adjective comes after the word... so they don't say *dark* green, they say "vert fonce'" [21:34] with the e accent grave [21:34] So "green dark" [21:34] or green [that is] dark. [21:35] for discussing french grammar and other curiosities, we have #xubuntu-offtopic [21:35] Okay, thanks. [21:36] This is a developer's channel... you're right; I apologize for going off-topic. [21:37] that's fine. [22:33] evening guys [22:34] hello slickymaster [22:36] hey knome [22:36] I saw we have a new potential contributor [22:36] that's good