[00:57] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: good question... I'll poke it a bit and see
[01:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks for committing that.
[10:17] <brainwash> bug 1399048
[10:38] <bluesabre> so it begins
[10:39] <bluesabre> :)
[10:41] <ObrienDave> another cycle?
[10:41] <ObrienDave> or another day? ;P
[10:58] <bluesabre> yes, that too
[10:58] <bluesabre> :D
[10:58] <bluesabre> talking about the gtk-3.14 update
[11:23] <brainwash> bluesabre: the xfce4 meta package recommends desktop-base, which makes sense in debian. should we change it to suggests in ubuntu?
[11:23] <brainwash> the package installs debian background, grub + plymouth theme and so on
[11:23] <brainwash> bug 1080865
[11:24] <brainwash> or just keep things untouched and mark it as won't fix?
[11:26] <Unit193> Changes sync => delta, I wouldn't.
[11:27] <brainwash> yes, that's the problem
[11:27] <brainwash> but this meta package does not get changes very often
[11:27] <brainwash> changed
[11:30] <Unit193> (And desktop-base has/will have some pretty sweet artwork. :P )
[11:32] <knome> or create a new package for xfce4 to depend on that introduces ubuntu/xfce art
[11:33] <Unit193> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Lines if that one wins for example, I can see myself using it. :P
[11:33] <brainwash> it should use the default ubuntu grub/plymouth theme and Xfce desktop background
[11:34] <brainwash> if desktop-base is not present
[11:34] <brainwash> well, that's what I would expect
[11:34] <Unit193> -base stuff is hardly seen.
[11:35] <Unit193> Also, we plan on keeping xfce-4.12 updated?
[11:35] <knome> i'd hope we could land it soon
[11:36] <knome> there has been talks about releasing before the end of the year
[11:36] <brainwash> release without alpha, beta and rc phase?
[11:45] <knome> i don't know the details.
[11:45] <knome> but to be fair, there has been a lot of preparation time..
[11:54] <brainwash> you are right, but with the recent amount of new commits there should be some time frame to test everything
[11:54] <brainwash> for potential regressions
[12:00] <knome> i'm not the one who decides on releasing, i've just heard that discussion
[12:01] <knome> so please follow the discussion and raise the question in #xfce-dev if it seems like things are progressing too fast
[12:04] <brainwash> ok then
[12:05] <Unit193> And the mailing list a bit too.
[12:20] <knome> yep
[19:15] <ET_Warrior> Hello.
[19:15] <knome> hello
[19:17] <ET_Warrior> So I have to make an account at the launchpad, on Ubuntu One to help contribute/
[19:17] <ET_Warrior> ?
[19:18] <ET_Warrior> Not a problem... :~)
[19:19] <knome> it's not a hard requirement, but it helps with a lot of things
[19:19] <knome> and welcome
[19:19] <ET_Warrior> I love Linux so far, but I have had some troubles with it... but no bigey, as it's part of the learning process.
[19:19] <knome> have you got an idea what would you like to contribute with?
[19:19] <ET_Warrior> I actually just installed Xubuntu on Tuesday I believ.e
[19:19] <knome> s/with/to/
[19:19] <ET_Warrior> I'd like to help with some bugs I'm having, and I could help translate to.
[19:21] <knome> if you have a spare machine (or are willing to do vm tests), you can help with testing the newest releases and application versions
[19:21] <knome> otherwise, simply filing the bugs and following up with information the developers as is good
[19:21] <knome> translations are handled here and there; are you familiar with this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations yet?
[19:21] <ET_Warrior> I do have a spare machine... but it's "legacy hardware".
[19:21] <ET_Warrior> Thanks.
[19:21] <knome> that's okay
[19:22] <ET_Warrior> Xubuntu should run alright on it though.
[19:22] <knome> either elfy, slickymaster or me can give you more information on testing (though i'm going to be off soon)
[19:22] <ET_Warrior> I wanted to get a 1 GB RAM stick from my family member that he'd never used, and put it into my old XP system with only 512MB of RAM.
[19:22] <knome> xubuntu running fine is a good start; what we test with our image and package testing is that NEW application versions and core stuff works with xubuntu
[19:22] <ET_Warrior> Alright... I apologize if I'm unfamiliarized with some terminology, like I said, I'm a bit of a Linux newbie.
[19:23] <knome> that's okay :)
[19:23] <knome> the image testing pretty much means you'll install xubuntu on the machine once per test
[19:23] <knome> so it's not suitable for a machine that's used daily
[19:24] <ET_Warrior> Yeah, I don't really use that machine at all... I was going to try to get Q4OS, on it, but I failed.
[19:24] <ET_Warrior> Xubuntu, I'm so happy that I was led to it.
[19:24] <knome> there's quite a bunch of good information at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing for testing
[19:24] <ET_Warrior> It seems it's exactly what I was looking for in a Linux.
[19:24] <knome> glad to hear that :)
[19:25] <ET_Warrior> I wanted a plain, and simple linux, that's modest, and yet is stable, and fast, and has a strong community.
[19:25] <ET_Warrior> But at the same time, I wanted a more "pretty" looking linux.
[19:25] <ET_Warrior> Xubuntu is it.
[19:25] <knome> great!
[19:25] <ET_Warrior> And I love the fact that Linux is a thriving community of people wanting to help one-another.
[19:25] <ET_Warrior> And everything for the most part is open-source.
[19:25] <ET_Warrior> How it should be!
[19:26] <ET_Warrior> :D
[19:26] <knome> i'm going to run off for some time now, but feel free to ask questions as you go; i'll answer when i'm back if you're still here, and/or others are able to assist you to get started as well
[19:26] <knome> thanks for the interest!
[19:26] <ET_Warrior> Okay, sure.
[19:26] <ET_Warrior> I understand.
[19:29] <ET_Warrior> So lightweight! I'm only using 18% memory.
[20:31] <Unit193> Logan_: Any chance I can trick you into uploading a git snapshot into vivid?  Current version is 100% useless as the API changed: Debian #770133.
[20:42] <ochosi> evening everyone
[20:43]  * ochosi tried to follow while being away
[20:43] <ochosi> but let me know if there are important news i might've missed
[20:46] <Unit193> ochosi: Still not sure if it's of interest to you, but I built a package with the patch from Xfce: #11255.
[20:47] <ochosi> oh nice
[20:47] <Unit193> It's there, I don't care really if Xubuntu wants it or not, but I needed it. :P
[20:48] <ochosi> added to the buglist
[20:48] <ochosi> need to figure out who has push rights there
[20:48] <ochosi> thing is, we don't use it in xubuntu anymore
[20:49] <ochosi> but still, it seems like a good idea to implement that
[20:49] <Unit193> We don't?
[20:49] <Unit193> Huh.
[20:49] <ochosi> we use the panel-internal clock plugin, unless i'm mistaken
[20:56] <Unit193> OK, I'm just confused now. :D
[21:00] <Unit193> ochosi: Right, so xfce4-datetime-plugin wasn't even installed on this computer, was just the other one.  Seems it was leftover from something...  So, while the patch is very handy, 'Clock' is default and a replacement.
[21:00] <ochosi> yup
[21:00] <ochosi> and clock doesn't have that problem
[21:01] <Unit193> No, so there's only minor differences, unless that other bug that I linked to gets fixed, then I'm back to datetime. :P
[21:01] <Unit193> So is it still worth uploading the patched version?
[21:05] <ochosi> sure
[21:06] <ochosi> but it'd also be nice getting it merged upstream
[21:08] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-datetime-plugin_0.6.2-2ubuntu2.dsc
[21:09] <etwarrior> ochosi: Hey, I see you're in this chat too!
[21:11] <ochosi> well yes
[21:12] <etwarrior> So you're a developer then?
[21:13] <ochosi> ypu
[21:13] <ochosi> yup
[21:13] <etwarrior> I would like to help with the Xubuntu project myself.
[21:13] <Unit193> ochosi is the Xubuntu project lead.
[21:14] <etwarrior> Oh wow! Haha.
[21:14] <ochosi> yeah, read it in the backlog etwarrior 
[21:14] <ochosi> new contributors are always more than welcome
[21:14] <etwarrior> Nice to meat you.
[21:14] <etwarrior> meet*
[21:14] <ochosi> i've just been away for a few days, so i'm still catching up on things
[21:15] <etwarrior> Well I can certainly try to help with the project... I personally like the Xfce, and even the LXDE environments, and the MATE one is okay too.
[21:15] <etwarrior> But I went with Xubuntu.
[21:15] <etwarrior> I have a few things written down here that I was having trouble with.
[21:16] <ochosi> you mean bugs or missing features?
[21:16] <etwarrior> Just some bugs I'm haivng.
[21:16] <etwarrior> having*
[21:16] <etwarrior> A lot of them seem to have been sorted out actually, haha... probably the updates that fixed them.
[21:17] <etwarrior> Sometimes if I return to my computer from sleep mode (since it's a laptop), I have to force restart because I get a black screen.
[21:17] <ochosi> yeah, there are issues with suspend
[21:18] <ochosi> are you on a macbook?
[21:18] <Unit193> Is this the ll bug?
[21:19] <ochosi> no
[21:19] <ochosi> even without ll, i saw that black screen bug on a macbook
[21:19] <etwarrior> Yes.
[21:19] <etwarrior> I was on a macbook.
[21:19] <etwarrior> or am
[21:19] <etwarrior> I think that I sent a report in.
[21:19] <etwarrior> So you must've got it?
[21:20] <ochosi> probably, but i get so much bugmail these days, i don't have enough time to check them "all"
[21:21] <etwarrior> I would like to help with translating too...
[21:22] <etwarrior> Uhh, is there a way to use other characters on Linux; I'm sure there is..
[21:22] <etwarrior> Je parle francais.
[21:22] <etwarrior> but the 'c' has to have the cedile on it.
[21:22] <ochosi> yeah, check the keyboard layout
[21:23] <etwarrior> I see..
[21:25] <etwarrior> Je parle francais un peu.
[21:25] <etwarrior> So just a bit, but I think that I understand it good enough that I could help.
[21:26] <knome> etwarrior, did you check the link a pasted to you about translations?
[21:27] <etwarrior> Uhh... if I did, I lost it; but I don't know if I did click it or not..
[21:28] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations
[21:28] <etwarrior> Thanks.
[21:29] <etwarrior> C'est lire-marked. ;¬)
[21:29] <etwarrior> It's book-marked... haha.
[21:30] <etwarrior> marked isn't the french, not sure what it would be.
[21:30] <knome> bookmark is the correct term
[21:31] <etwarrior> No, but lire = book, but I didn't know the French term for marked.
[21:32] <knome> right... maybe translating to french isn't your forte then :P
[21:32] <ochosi> etwarrior: errrm, "livre" = book "lire" = read
[21:32] <etwarrior> Oh, right... 
[21:33] <etwarrior> Like I said, my French isn't 100%.
[21:33] <etwarrior> I understand how the language works a lot better than I did though.
[21:34] <etwarrior> The adjective comes after the word... so they don't say *dark* green, they say "vert fonce'"
[21:34] <etwarrior> with the e accent grave
[21:34] <etwarrior> So "green dark"
[21:34] <etwarrior> or green [that is] dark.
[21:35] <knome> for discussing french grammar and other curiosities, we have #xubuntu-offtopic 
[21:35] <etwarrior> Okay, thanks.
[21:36] <etwarrior> This is a developer's channel... you're right; I apologize for going off-topic.
[21:37] <knome> that's fine.
[22:33] <slickymaster> evening guys
[22:34] <knome> hello slickymaster 
[22:36] <slickymaster> hey knome
[22:36] <slickymaster> I saw we have a new potential contributor
[22:36] <slickymaster> that's good