[00:09] <sitter> sgclark: canonical servers says 550 5.1.1 <sglcark@kubuntu.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[00:09] <sitter> btw
[00:09] <sgclark> awesome
[00:09] <sgclark> oh hmm
[00:10] <sgclark> oops
[00:11] <sgclark> thanks
[00:13] <valorie> scrambled scarlett
[05:37] <valorie> Riddell: is this your task? http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/edit/google/gci2014/5903652564762624
[05:37] <valorie> it was assigned to albertvaka, so I reassigned to you
[05:37] <valorie> please ask an admin to change that if it is not correct
[07:07] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[08:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <valorie> by the way, I had another plasma freeze today
[08:54] <valorie> :(
[08:54] <valorie> with those same xgeWireToEvent: Unknown extension 148, this should never happen errors
[08:54] <valorie> I was so hopeful that was over
[09:28] <Riddell> valorie: did it fill up your hard disk?
[09:30] <Riddell> valorie: mm yes it is thanks
[09:30] <Riddell> (the code in task)
[09:30] <valorie> cool
[09:31] <valorie> not sure how it got assigned to albert
[09:31] <valorie> has not filled my hd as yet
[09:31] <Riddell> valorie: because when you fill in the form it doesn't fill it in with your name but with alphabetical list and his name begins with a
[09:31] <valorie> probably has filled the console buffers though
[09:32] <valorie> melange is sooooo wonderful
[09:32] <Riddell> valorie: well I'll try and do a SRU of it anyway, fancy reporting a bug on libxext (or checking if there already is one)?
[09:32] <valorie> full of happy surprises
[09:32] <valorie> libxext is what is doing that?
[09:32] <valorie> have not heard of that one
[09:33] <valorie> checking bko now
[09:33] <valorie> and oh, do you want that task published now, or later?
[09:34] <valorie> ah, it is open already
[09:35] <Riddell> now is fine
[09:35] <Riddell> and the breeze libreoffice icons task published too
[09:36] <valorie> weekend coming up, kids might be eager
[09:36] <valorie> we'll see
[09:36] <valorie> seems much more relaxed this time around
[09:36] <Riddell> valorie: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336592
[09:36] <Riddell> valorie: I mean report on launchpad.net so I can SRU it
[09:37] <valorie> ah, ok
[09:37] <valorie> can I do ubuntu-bug libxext ?
[09:37] <valorie> trying....
[09:38] <valorie> pfff, no
[09:39] <valorie> "There is no project named 'libxext' registered in Launchpad"
[09:39] <valorie> so "needs packaging" bug?
[09:43] <Riddell> mm there is such a source
[09:44] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging-next/+bug/1384512 - I will comment
[09:45] <soee> good morning
[09:45] <Riddell> valorie: ah that's the bug you're getting?
[09:46] <valorie> well, I was
[09:46] <valorie> now much less frequent, for the past few days
[09:46] <valorie> so something has improved
[09:46] <valorie> but today another freeze, and still the same flooding error messages
[09:48] <Riddell> yep, you're not alone :(
[09:48] <Riddell> "Tm_T (Jussi Kekkonen) (tmt) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members)" yay Tm_Tr still loves us
[09:49] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[09:50] <bukai> hi, Riddell 
[09:51] <bukai> for the news feed do i need to include all the blogs or top 100 or something like that
[09:51] <bukai> Riddell: ^
[09:52] <Riddell> valorie: installing vivid made the freezes go away for me, but on the downside audio doesn't work
[09:52] <Riddell> bukai: front page just the first 3 or so, on the news page preferably all of them
[09:53] <valorie> ooooo, I can't do without audio
[09:53] <bukai> Riddell: ok.
[09:53] <valorie> freezes are no biggie; I'll wait for vivid until people are singing more praises of it
[09:56] <Tm_T> yes I still love you
[09:58] <Riddell> :)
[10:05] <soee> hey, so the kde apps should be ready today ?
[10:10] <Riddell> soee: some tidying up of konsole and kate and a go over with all of them to check bits and it should be ready
[10:10] <valorie> oof, sleep time
[10:10] <sitter> nini valorie
[10:10] <valorie> have a great day all
[10:10] <Riddell> night valorie, sorry for the plasma hassles :(
[10:11] <sitter> Riddell: konsole is not being CI'd anymore
[10:11] <valorie> I am on a testing version!
[10:11] <valorie> I expected hiccups and bug reporting/commenting
[10:17] <soee> Riddell: cool :)
[10:17] <soee> why conversation does not highlight channels when im highlighted ?
[10:17] <soee> *konversation
[10:22] <bukai> Riddell:  how was the news feed implemented in the kubuntu.org?
[10:25] <Riddell> bukai: it's stories on the drupal site
[10:25] <Riddell> bukai: in a move to wordpress it'll be stories on the wordpress site
[10:26] <bukai> Riddell: So should I move it to wordpress first and then implement it?
[10:27] <Riddell> bukai: yeah I think that would be the best way, no you have a design and know what elements you need, work out how to make a wordpress theme
[10:27] <Riddell> s/no/now/
[10:27] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "bukai: yeah I think that would be the best way, now you have a design and know what elements you need, work out how to make a wordpress theme"
[10:33] <bukai_> Riddell: ok, then I shall complete all the small changes that needs to be made and convert it. I have an idea for the footer too
[10:34] <bukai_> ronnoc: we can put the +1 like and follow option of g+ fb and twitter 
[10:34] <bukai_> Riddell: we can put the +1 like and follow option of g+ fb and twitter 
[10:34] <bukai_> ronnoc: sorry
[10:37] <bukai_> Riddell: In the kubuntu site the blogs i.e. the news feeds are not up to date . So are you sure using plugins will be a good options?
[10:43] <Riddell> bukai_: how do you mean?
[10:44] <Riddell> the news feed on http://www.kubuntu.org/ is up to date, telepathy story is the latest
[10:44] <Riddell> there's no plugin
[10:45] <bukai_>  it was in November hence I got confused. :(
[10:54] <Riddell> not much news at the start of a cycle "we're sorting everything out for later" isn't too exciting :)
[12:10] <soee> what do you think, http://kubuntu.dev.soee.pl/ the sample image will be probably replaced by video that presents latets Kubuntu version
[12:11] <soee> so main element that visitor see is video here as video content is more popular these days than some texts
[12:11]  * Riddell lunches, will look shortly
[12:12] <soee> btw Thiago will help to translate content to Brasilian :)
[12:13] <soee> just contact me yetserday so there will be EN, PL, BR and more if i find translators :)
[12:15] <bukai> Riddell: what do we do about the blog images? i need atleast 12 images for the top 12 posts what should i do about that?
[12:26] <soee> bukai: hiho :)
[12:27] <bukai> soee: hi
[12:29] <soee> bukai: what is your native language ?
[12:30] <bukai> soee: Bengali
[12:32] <soee> bukai: would you be interested to translate content from a website that will be something similiar to Featur Tour on kubuntu.org to your lang ?
[12:32] <soee> the translation process will start next year january or february
[12:32] <bukai> soee: yup, I will be happy to do it.
[12:34] <soee> bukai: cool, may i ask you to send me your email to marcin.sagol@gmail.com ?
[12:35] <bukai> soee: Ok , I will do it:)
[12:37] <bukai> soee: Did you get it?
[12:41] <soee> bukai: yes tahnk you :)
[12:43] <BluesKaj_> Hey folks
[12:43] <sgclark> morning
[12:45] <soee> hiho, guys ill show you in a few minutes how content editing works on the website im working, uploading short video
[12:57] <soee> take a look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnB0ne2XfSo :)
[12:58] <sgclark> haha love my pic
[12:58] <soee> :D
[12:58] <sgclark> don't understand what is being said :)
[12:59] <sgclark> looks nice though
[13:02] <soee> ah sorry, i was listening to radio and it was recorded ;)
[13:03] <sgclark> lol
[13:07] <soee> ok i edited it and picked some music instead :)
[13:08] <bukai_> soee: that was really cool! :)
[13:11] <soee> oh that was only sample, all text are edited same way, you can scale, crop imges from inside this panel
[13:11] <soee> to do translation you must only switch from select box to different language confiugured and done - start translating existsing texts :)
[13:26] <Riddell> bukai_: make it a google code in task :)
[13:26] <Riddell> bukai_: give me some text to put in here like this task http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/edit/google/gci2014/5903652564762624
[13:28] <bukai_> Riddell: google says -> "You do not have sufficient privileges to edit a new task for KDE."
[13:29] <Riddell> hang on
[13:32] <Riddell> bukai_: tell me what to fill in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/gci.png
[13:32] <Sick_Rimmit> Ta Dah !
[13:32] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi folks..
[13:32] <Riddell> hi Sick_Rimmit
[13:32] <Sick_Rimmit> Just reading the post about Telepathy, anyone using it ? anyone using it for Video Conferencing ?
[13:32] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi Riddell
[13:33] <Riddell> I think lots of people use telepathy, I've never had much success with video conferencing
[13:33] <Riddell> I think I tried it and the audio worked one way and the video the other way
[13:33] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: how's your packaging life progressing?
[13:33] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Was just going to mention the same
[13:34] <Sick_Rimmit> So I felt I was a bit lost with how C++ Programs and KDE stuff is all put together, so I've been having a bash at some QTCreator stuff
[13:34] <Sick_Rimmit> Also just been so busy evenings, :-(
[13:35] <Sick_Rimmit> But next week things are calmer, and I'm planning to have a crack at this
[13:35] <Sick_Rimmit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging-next/+bug/1384512
[13:35] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: worth working how how to checkout from git and compile something
[13:35] <Sick_Rimmit> Apparently that might help fix it
[13:35] <Riddell> that'll give you more insight into what a package needs to do
[13:36] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I OK, with Git we runn all our PHP Stuff with it here
[13:36] <Sick_Rimmit> I think I also struggle because I just don;t know about all those Debian special tools
[13:37] <Sick_Rimmit> e.g I'd never heard of dget and dput until you told me
[13:37] <Riddell> no they're specific to .deb packaging so I wouldn't expect you to until you do some .deb packaging
[13:37] <Sick_Rimmit> I though Lintian was an IRC name for some uber l33t code wizard ;-)
[13:37] <Riddell> :)
[13:37] <sgclark> lol
[13:38] <Sick_Rimmit> But I have friends now to help me
[13:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Remember friends dont say RTFM to Friends ;-)
[13:38] <sgclark> try compiling kde on windows + osx + linux... been quite a learning experience
[13:38] <Riddell> sitter: do I need to add replaces/conflicts for konsole5 to konsole (kf5 package) ?
[13:38] <sitter> no
[13:38] <sitter> konsole5 depends on konsole
[13:39] <sitter> it is a diversion of konsole on utopic
[13:39] <bukai_> Riddell: Is this fine->https://paste.kde.org/pvgtey0em
[13:39] <sgclark> btw Riddell complaints that our kf5 packages in no way recommend or suggest that -data counterparts, they used to, why no more?
[13:40] <Riddell> sgclark: answered by e-mail, they should do, if you can add those back and upload to vivid that would be great
[13:40] <sgclark> ok will do thanks
[13:40]  * sgclark thinks her email is way broken
[13:41] <sgclark> my last upgrade was a disaster :(
[13:41] <Riddell> sgclark: did you get albert's twitter post?
[13:41] <Riddell> oh? 
[13:42] <Riddell> bukai_: for wire.kubuntu posts or for kubuntu.org news posts?
[13:42] <sgclark> twiiter hmm guess I should check that, I need another 24 hours in my day
[13:42] <Riddell> it's not the normal way for bug reports
[13:43] <bukai_> Riddell: we have to include wire.kubuntu posts right?
[13:43] <bukai_> for the news feed
[13:44] <Riddell> bukai_: having them somewhere would be good yes
[13:44] <Riddell> but the stories under "latest articles" in http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/sok/ I understand to be news stories from kubuntu.org
[13:45] <sgclark> For the twelve images on front page are those just images or need posts tied to them?
[13:46] <Riddell> I would expect the ones under "latest articles" to be tied to posts which are news stories for kubuntu.org
[13:46] <bukai_> Riddell: I am very confused about the blog part! I thought the latest stories from wire.kubuntu would be displayed there!
[13:47] <Riddell> well it can be both
[13:47] <Riddell> bukai_: where would you expect the news stories to be?
[13:48] <Riddell> bukai_: if the stories from wire.kubuntu are on the images under "latest articles" how would the images get in the theme?
[13:49] <bukai_> Riddell: The images can change in accordance with the latest blogs
[13:50] <Riddell> bukai_: but how would it do that automatically?
[13:50] <Riddell> needs to know how to find the image in the rss feed
[13:51] <bukai_> it wont be something static, and for that either we need to store it in some database and fetch it or if there is an xml tag for image with the link for that image . the latter would be more helpful
[13:53] <bukai_> Riddell: I do not know how we can modify the rss feed or rather generate rss feed with an image tag for every blog
[13:53] <Riddell> bukai_: so that needs worked out somehow
[13:54] <Riddell> bukai_: but that's why I was expecting the "latest articles" to be just articles from kubuntu.org/news
[13:55] <Riddell> which is easier to work out what image to show with that
[13:57] <bukai_> Riddell: ok, then every article or at least the latest could be assigned a image
[13:58] <Riddell> yep
[14:01] <Riddell> bukai_: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5792060120498176
[14:01] <Riddell> if you can see it
[14:01] <bukai_> Riddell: google says ->"This page is inactive at this time."
[14:01] <Riddell> valorie: can you review and approve that task? ↑
[14:02] <Riddell> bukai_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/gci1.png
[14:02] <bukai_> Riddell: thanks :)
[14:03] <bukai_> Riddell: I have one more question, how is news added to kubuntu.org?  
[14:06] <Riddell> bukai_: I log into drupal, click create content -> news, type some news and voila
[14:08] <bukai_> Ok, so all the data is on the page itself ? I have to just put it as it is on the page and then after converting to wordpress new content could be added ?
[14:09] <bukai_> Riddell: ^^
[14:09] <Riddell> yep
[14:12] <bukai_> Riddell: :( I spent the whole day trying to parse the rss feed as I thought it needed to be put in the news page along with the kubuntu.org news!! So now we will keep news at it's place and I can create a cool widget for wire.kubuntu instead
[14:13]  * Riddell posts http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=203
[14:14] <Riddell> "Kubuntu Part of KDE’s Google Code-in "
[14:14] <Riddell> a cool widget sounds good
[14:14] <Riddell> sorry if that feels like you wasted time
[14:15] <sgclark> Riddell: hmm ok so it looks like only a few missing -data connection, but I am noticing that some Depend on -data and other Recommend, what is the correct relation?
[14:16] <Riddell> sgclark: depend generally
[14:16] <Riddell> sgclark: got an example?
[14:16] <Riddell> most libraries with data won't be happy without the data files around
[14:18] <sgclark> right kcoreaddons is unhappy, sec trying to find the one that was recommend, my kate will only let me have one file at a time open, I thought I uninstalled that bugger
[14:19] <Riddell> sounds like you have kwrite not kate
[14:19] <Riddell> grep is your friend no?
[14:19] <sgclark> nah kwrite works
[14:19] <sgclark> kate breaks dolphin for me
[14:20] <Riddell> it's probably fishing for tuna
[14:20] <sgclark> ahh grep yes handy tool. So yeah only one Recommend. Will fix
[14:21] <sgclark> kf5completion
[14:23] <Riddell> someone claimed the google code-in task to update grantlee but hasn't appeared here
[14:26] <soee> ping me when apps are ready to test in vivid
[14:44] <Sergobot> Riddle: hi
[14:45] <Sergobot> Riddell: hi
[14:45] <Riddell> Sergobot!
[14:46] <Riddell> Sergobot: you want to be an elite kubuntu ninja?
[14:49] <Sergobot> Riddell: yes. But I also want to update Grantlee package in Kubuntu Vivid
[14:50] <Sergobot> GCI task https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5903652564762624
[14:50] <Riddell> Sergobot: creating the Grantlee package will make you an elite kubuntu ninja :)
[14:50] <Riddell> Sergobot: do you know how to compile stuff on a command line?
[14:51] <Sergobot> yes
[14:51] <Riddell> Sergobot: know anything about making or compiling a .deb package?
[14:54] <Sergobot> Riddell: yes I know about it but I don't know where should I upload it
[14:55] <Sergobot> deb package of cource
[14:55] <Riddell> Sergobot: if you already know how to do it all, great, you can either upload to a launchpad PPA or attach to bug 1372518
[14:55] <Riddell> oh
[14:57] <Riddell> Sergobot: if you already know how to do it all, great, you can either upload to a launchpad PPA or attach to bug 1372518
[14:57] <Sergobot> Riddell: Ok
[15:02] <Sergobot> In bug report Grantlee version is 0.5.1 but in Grantlee's CHANELOG file the latest version is 5.0.0. Which version should I compile?
[15:03] <Riddell> Sergobot: I think there's two grantlee's now
[15:03] <Riddell> one is qt4 and one is qt5
[15:03] <Riddell> Sergobot: so start with 0.5.1 which is qt4 
[15:04] <Riddell> and will be easy to update
[15:04] <Riddell> and for bonus points, do 5.0.0 which will need some changes for qt5 build
[15:06] <Sergobot> Riddel: Ok. I will make .deb files for qt4 and qt5 versions
[15:06] <Sergobot> Riddell: Ok. I will make .deb files for qt4 and qt5 versions
[15:06] <Riddell> great
[15:07] <Riddell> for qt5 you'll need to rename the source to grantlee5
[15:10] <Sergobot> Okay. I will do it.
[15:11] <Riddell> Sergobot: have you compiled .deb packages before?
[15:12] <Sergobot> No :(
[15:13] <Sergobot> But I found an instruction how to do it : )
[15:13] <Riddell> Sergobot: ah then yes you need to learn :)
[15:13] <Riddell> Sergobot: there's several different guides, not all valid, which are you looking at?
[15:14] <Sergobot> This http://chris.olstrom.com/howto/build-deb-packages-from-source/
[15:15] <Riddell> Sergobot: hmm no that's one which is not valid
[15:15] <Sergobot> Oops
[15:15] <Sergobot> Can you give me valid instruction?
[15:15] <Riddell> sgclark: Sick_Rimmit: got any pointers to packaging guides?
[15:16] <Riddell> Sergobot: or I can just give you a tutorial
[15:16] <sgclark> they were all terrible :( 
[15:16] <sgclark> yeah that was best
[15:16] <rbetzen> Riddell:  Is the ubuntu packaging guide still valid?  Currently going through it.
[15:16] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Yes don't use em they're all rubbish
[15:16] <Riddell> rbetzen: it includes a lot of stuff about UDD branches which nobody uses
[15:16] <sgclark> and if he/she needs further help I can or others can answer questions
[15:17] <Sergobot> Riddell: give me it please
[15:17] <Sick_Rimmit> We should write a new one for Kubuntu, I think
[15:17] <Riddell> Sergobot: do you have a launchpad account with an ssh key?
[15:17] <rbetzen> Ok.  I figured the bzr stuff wasn't being used by kubuntu atm.
[15:17] <sgclark> yeah, been on my to-do for awhile, but not enough hours in the day
[15:17] <Sick_Rimmit> But more importantly, we need to think about how to deprecate the old ones
[15:18] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: I'd like to help with that
[15:18] <Riddell> rbetzen: right, it's just debian/ in git (moving away from bzr)
[15:18] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: great! just need to find those hours lol
[15:18] <Sick_Rimmit> maybe you could send me a bullet list of headings, giving the overall steps involved. I can flesh it out
[15:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Like
[15:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Get Sources
[15:18] <Sick_Rimmit> do dch
[15:19] <Sick_Rimmit> pbuild
[15:19] <Sick_Rimmit> yada yada
[15:19] <Sick_Rimmit> I say this because having read all sorts of stuff I feel throughly confused by it all
[15:19] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: yeah, once I get qt5 compiling on linux,windows,osx I will have a few free moments and will come up with a list
[15:20] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: If you get me started I can iterate and check back with you
[15:20] <sgclark> ok
[15:20] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: drop me a line at rick dot timmis at abazander dot com
[15:20] <Sick_Rimmit> ;-)
[15:21] <Sergobot> Riddell: no, I heven't it
[15:22] <Riddell> Sergobot: make one and give me the url https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[15:23] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: Sent!
[15:23] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Bless you, you're gr8 :-)
[15:24] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so yeah, Rick and I will start working together on a new packaging guide, where should this be? Userbase? hmm probably techbase, is there a techbase section for us?
[15:25] <Riddell> start with it on https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu would be easiest
[15:25] <sgclark> Riddell: and it will be Kubuntu specific
[15:25] <sgclark> community?
[15:25] <sgclark> hmm
[15:25] <Riddell> just to keep the kubuntu stuff together
[15:25] <sgclark> ahh ok yeah that fits
[15:25] <Riddell> maybe I'm wrong
[15:25] <sgclark> nah looks right
[15:27] <sgclark> Riddell: oh wait possibly not, looks like there are notes on all the tech stuff and the pages no loger exist
[15:37] <sgclark> Riddell: might just need cleanup. valorie: thoughts on where Kubuntu techy wiki should go or stay at community? This particular guide is to lure in community so in a sense fits.
[15:46] <Sergobot> Riddell: I have created it. What should I also do?
[15:47] <Riddell> Sergobot: what URL?
[15:48] <Sergobot> Riddell: Not URL. An SSH key
[15:48] <Riddell> Sergobot: is it on launchpad?
[15:48] <Sergobot> yes
[15:48] <Riddell> Sergobot: so what's your launchpad page?
[15:48] <Sergobot> https://launchpad.net/~sergobot256
[15:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: and run buobu
[15:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: no run  byobu
[15:49] <Riddell> and type hello
[15:51] <Sergobot> Riddell: What is buobu?
[15:51] <Riddell> Sergobot:  byoby
[15:51] <Riddell> Sergobot: it's a program to share screens
[15:52] <Riddell> byobu
[15:52] <Riddell> run it on the server you are ssh into
[15:52] <Riddell> ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:55] <Sergobot> Riddell: Which server?
[15:55] <Riddell> Sergobot: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:57] <Sergobot> Riddell: I can't understand
[15:58] <Riddell> Sergobot: run the command   ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:58] <Riddell> that will log you into a server
[15:58] <Riddell> then run the command  byobu
[15:58] <Riddell> that will get us a shared screen
[16:00] <Sergobot> When I run ssh it isuues that permission denied
[16:01] <Sergobot> sergey@debian:~$ ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[16:01] <Sergobot> Permission denied (publickey).
[16:02] <Riddell> Sergobot: hmm, I have allowed the ssh key you put on launchpad, do you have that same key on your computer?
[16:03] <Sergobot> yes, of cource
[16:05] <Riddell> hello!
[16:06] <Riddell> Sergobot: ok you're in
[16:06] <Riddell> Sergobot: this is a shared ec2 cloud server from amazon, we can work on it and watch each other's work
[16:06] <Riddell> Sergobot: shall I give you a tutorial in compiling the existing package?
[16:06] <Sergobot> Yes
[16:07] <Riddell> Sergobot: so we need to get the current packaging and compile it
[16:07] <Riddell> then I'll leave you to update it to the new tar from grantlee
[16:08] <Riddell> Sergobot: to get the current package run  apt-get source grantlee
[16:10] <Sergobot> I need run it in my PC or in the server?
[16:10] <Riddell> Sergobot: on the server
[16:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: great, so you can see you have the sources for version 0.4.0
[16:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: a debian package source is made up of the .orig.tar.gz which is the upstream source, a debian.tar which is the packaging and a .dsc meta-data file
[16:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: have a look in debian/ for the packaging
[16:13] <Riddell> Sergobot: go ahead and install what you need
[16:13] <Riddell> this is a cloud server, if we mess up the machine we just shut it down and it's gone
[16:15] <Riddell> Sergobot: run debuild
[16:15] <Riddell> Sergobot: install those unmet build-deps
[16:16] <Riddell> Sergobot: nope, the package names it's asking for are libqt4-dev and xvfb
[16:16] <Sergobot> okay
[16:18] <Riddell> Sergobot: up key  to get back last command is super useful :)
[16:18] <Riddell> it's like  cd -   you'll use it all the time once you know it
[16:18] <Riddell> Sergobot: ok run debuild  to compile it
[16:20] <Riddell> Sergobot: great, so debuild will run the packages rules  in debian/rules which tell it to run run cmake; make; make install
[16:20] <Riddell> but will also make it into .deb packages
[16:20] <Riddell> Sergobot: oh also this is dual cpu so you can speed it up by running    debuild -j2
[16:21] <Riddell> Sergobot: press control-C to kill current then  debuild -nc -j2
[16:21] <Riddell> -nc is no clear so it'll start off where you killed it rather than start all over again
[16:22] <Riddell> ah you forgot the -nc so it'll start again, but it'll be twice as fast so it's fine :)
[16:25] <Riddell> Sergobot: it compiled!  now it's making the package
[16:25] <Riddell> Sergobot: woo, all done!
[16:25] <Riddell> Sergobot: so look in ..  you should see the .deb package
[16:25] <Riddell> packages
[16:26] <Riddell> Sergobot: you can install them with  sudo dpkg --install *deb
[16:27] <Riddell> Sergobot: you also need to learn about tab completion
[16:27] <Riddell> Sergobot: don't type out a filename, just the first letter or two then <tab> to complete
[16:28] <Riddell> Sergobot: great it installed
[16:28] <Riddell> Sergobot: inside  grantlee-0.4.0  run  debuild -S  to make the source package
[16:28] <Sergobot> What I should do next?
[16:28] <Riddell> Sergobot: inside  grantlee-0.4.0  run  debuild -S  to make the source package
[16:29] <Riddell> yay you used tab completion :)
[16:29] <Sergobot> It was very easy
[16:29] <Riddell> Sergobot: so the packaging is in debian/ and that gives all the instructions needed to make the .debs
[16:30] <Riddell> Sergobot: take a look at all the files in debian/ and let me know what you don't understand
[16:31] <Sergobot> For what is needed compat file?
[16:31] <Riddell> Sergobot: when you run debuild that runs a load of debhelper scripts such as dh_install which do various parts of the packaging
[16:32] <Riddell> Sergobot: those debhelper scripts change their behaviour slightly with each new version, compat just says which version behaviour we are expecting
[16:32] <Riddell> so they are backwards compatible
[16:32] <Riddell> version 9 is the newest version and what packages should be using
[16:32] <Riddell> Sergobot: use  less  to look inside each file
[16:34] <Riddell> uploading KDE Applicatiosn 14.11.97!
[16:35] <Sergobot> I don't understand. These files are empty
[16:35] <Riddell> Sergobot: no it's not, you're just in the wrong directory :)
[16:36] <Sergobot> Riddell: for what is needed 'cat'?
[16:36] <Riddell> Sergobot: I just used cat to output the file
[16:37] <Riddell> cat is a very simple command which takes input and spits out output
[16:37] <Riddell> if you give it a file it'll read out the file
[16:37] <Riddell> if you give it multiple files it'll concatenate them together, which is where it gets its name from
[16:38] <Riddell> concatenate is a silly work you only ever find in programming to mean "join"
[16:39] <Riddell> Sergobot: good, compat version 9 is the latest version of debhelper
[16:42] <Sergobot> Riddell: How to rename files and dirs?
[16:43] <Riddell> Sergobot: what are you doing?
[16:44] <Sergobot> I want to try to install the latest version of grantlee
[16:45] <Riddell> Sergobot: git will give you the development version but as packagers we usually work with the released versions
[16:45] <Riddell> Sergobot: which you can download from here http://downloads.grantlee.org/
[16:45] <Riddell> Sergobot: as I say there are two released versions, 0.5.1 is the qt4 version so start with that
[16:46] <Riddell> Sergobot: so for your code-in challenge 
[16:46] <Riddell> make a new directory
[16:46] <Riddell> download the 0.5.1 tar into it
[16:46] <Riddell> rename it to follow the correct name with the .orig
[16:46] <Riddell> copy in the debian/ directory from the existing packaging
[16:47] <Riddell> use  dch   to add a new changelog entry
[16:47] <Riddell> run  debuild  and see what breaks
[16:54] <Sergobot> how to copy the 'debian' folder?
[16:54] <Riddell> Sergobot: cp -r
[16:54] <Riddell> for recursive copy, that copyies the folder and everything inside it
[16:59] <Riddell> Sergobot: rename the tar :)
[17:03] <Sergobot> Riddell: What need I change there?
[17:03] <Riddell> Sergobot: I just quit emacs and started nano which is a friendlyer text editor :)
[17:03] <Riddell> Sergobot: add what the change at the *  like "new upstream release"
[17:03] <Riddell> Sergobot: change my name and e-mail to yours
[17:04] <Riddell> change the version number in the top line to 0.5.1-0ubuntu1
[17:05] <Riddell> Sergobot: version 0.5.1  (not 0.5.0)
[17:05] <Sergobot> That's all?
[17:05] <Riddell> yep
[17:09] <Riddell> Sergobot: ah this is a silly ubuntu rule
[17:09] <Riddell> Sergobot: replace maintainer in debian/rules with ..
[17:10] <Riddell> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
[17:10] <Riddell> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
[17:10] <sgclark> sigh
[17:10] <Riddell> oh no
[17:10] <Riddell> in debian/control
[17:12] <Sergobot> Is it right?
[17:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: remove the space at the start of the line
[17:14] <Riddell> Sergobot: ok it was a .gz not a .xz so I changed the name
[17:14] <Riddell> awooga!
[17:14] <Riddell> Sergobot: although debuild -j2  will be twice as fast :)
[17:18] <Sergobot> Hooray!
[17:18] <Riddell> yay!
[17:21] <Riddell> Sergobot: best finish 0.5.1 first
[17:21] <Riddell> Sergobot: check there's no missing files
[17:22] <Riddell> in the source run  dh_install --list-missing
[17:22] <Riddell> (sometimes new versions create new files and you'll need to add them to the .install files)
[17:23] <Riddell> Sergobot: lovely
[17:23] <Riddell> then to make the source package  debuild -S
[17:24] <Riddell> that'll give you the .orig .debian and .dsc files 
[17:24] <yofel> ls
[17:24] <yofel> dangit ^^
[17:24] <Riddell> yofel: Bad command or file name
[17:25] <Riddell> Sergobot: great
[17:25] <Riddell> Sergobot: now copy those to your local computer
[17:25] <Riddell> on your local computer use scp
[17:26] <Riddell> scp ubuntu@ec2-54-92-152-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com:path/to/file .
[17:26] <Riddell> for the .orig .debian and .dsc files
[17:26] <Riddell> and attach to bug 1372518
[17:27] <Sergobot> Only .orig .debian and .dsc?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> I so need a SSD
[17:29] <Riddell> Sergobot: yep
[17:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I recommend it
[17:30] <mamarley> shadeslayer: I recommend it too.  The difference is phenomenal.
[17:32] <Sergobot> Riddell: http://goo.gl/C2BTWl
[17:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: yes you do ^^
[17:35] <Riddell> Sergobot: remove the / after the :
[17:35] <Riddell> Sergobot: and add a  .  at the end
[17:35] <Riddell> makes it from the root direcotry, without it's from the home directory
[17:35] <Riddell> and you have to tell it where to copy to.  a "." is the current directory
[17:39] <Riddell> Sergobot: so great, you've done that part
[17:39] <Riddell> Sergobot: attach it to the bug and I'll review and upload when I can
[17:40] <Riddell> Sergobot: now you can try to package 5.0.0
[17:40] <Sergobot> Riddell: Where is .debian file?
[17:40] <Riddell> Sergobot: grantlee_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.xz
[17:40] <Sergobot> okay
[17:40] <Riddell> Sergobot: for 5.0.0 you'll need to replace the build-depends in debian/control with the qt5 ones it needs, using apt-cache search  will help you find out what they're called
[17:40] <Riddell> (they're not just changing 4 -> 5 I'm afraid)
[17:41] <Riddell> and you'll need to rename the .deb packages it makes and make .install files as appropriate
[17:41] <Riddell> Sergobot: I need to go out now for a few hours, I've given sgclark access to the server so you can ask her for help if you need it
[17:41] <Riddell> or you can ask anyone else around here
[17:42] <sgclark> Sergobot: right, if I don't answer it is not because I am ignoring you, I am havin IRC connection issues :(
[17:44] <mamarley> sgclark: What client are you using (and what issues are you having?)
[17:46] <sgclark> konversation is my normal client and will not stay connected for more than 5 seconds. Complain about QCA SSL not compiled etc. I am on bnc so I think* that is what is dropping connection. I am using quassel now with only seems to drop every 10 mins or so. Dunno what the problem with it is.
[17:47] <sgclark> sitter says it is not suppose to be compiled with qca so /shrug dunno
[17:47] <mamarley> Sorry :(
[17:48] <sgclark> tho my pc has had serveral gremlins crop up for sometime now. It was an upgrade of upgrade + mess fixes from disaster nvidia issues. It might right be time for a fresh install, just no time to do so
[18:10] <BluesKaj> sgclark, I noticed nvidia is holding off on their newest drivers for linux due to some bugs in the 340 series. My entry level 8400GS card runs fine on the 331 linux driver, but my windows 7 install on the same pc uses the 340 series driver without any litches so far.
[18:11] <BluesKaj> err glitches
[18:12] <sgclark> I get black screen on 331 with my GTX780ti so I am running the latest from the nvidia site
[18:12] <mamarley> Did you install from the .run file?
[18:12] <sgclark> that is all working now, but others things are not
[18:12] <sgclark> mamarley: yeah
[18:13] <mamarley> That can cause problems sometimes, especially with Debian/Ubuntu's strange way of doing GL libraries now.
[18:13] <sgclark> blech
[18:13] <genii> Meh. Any way to tell sddm not to stretch it's display over all available monitors by default? 
[18:14] <sgclark> genii: if you find out let me know
[18:14] <genii> sgclark: It's pretty annoying.
[18:14] <mamarley> There are a couple of different PPAs that have later versions of the NVIDIA drivers.  I operate one (ppa:mamarley/nvidia).
[18:14] <sgclark> genii: agreed
[18:15] <sgclark> mamarley: oooh I will try that
[18:15] <mamarley> Currently, it packages the 340 release and the latest release for Trusty and Utopic, but I guess I should probably add Vivid.
[18:15] <sgclark> oh right, I am on vivid
[18:15] <mamarley> (That will take a bit, thanks to my crappy ISP.)
[18:15] <sgclark> np, just let me know when you do :)
[18:18] <BluesKaj> hmm nvidia suggests the 319 driver for the GTX780 ti
[18:18] <BluesKaj> odd
[18:18]  * mamarley advises ignoring that suggestion.
[18:18] <sgclark> eer
[18:18] <sgclark> this card is not that old! lol
[18:21] <mamarley> sgclark: I am uploading 346.16 for Vivid now.  It should work properly, since Vivid has the same major version of xorg as Utopic.
[18:21] <sgclark> mamarley: thanks!
[18:21] <BluesKaj> Correction, they recommend the 340 series actually 
[18:21] <sgclark> whew
[18:22]  * mamarley slaps Time Warner Cable around a bit with a large trout.
[18:22] <sgclark> heh Comcast here is terrible, my net goes out several times a day
[18:22]  * BluesKaj has to check google more closely ..it's becoming unreliable lately
[18:23] <sgclark> yes, google has been failing me terribly lately
[18:31] <BluesKaj> I miss google-linux ...it actaully worked
[18:31] <BluesKaj> eru actually even
[18:32]  * mamarley will upgrade to vivid once all the KDE5 stuff is sorted out and working properly.
[18:32] <mamarley> Both of my systems are more-or-less critical, so I can't do early testing on them :(
[18:34] <Sergobot> sgclark: Can you help me?
[18:34] <sgclark> yeah I am finding running unstable on my production machine was probably not ideal, but I have limited resources so I have to test on my production machine lol
[18:34] <sgclark> Sergobot: sure thing, whats up?
[18:34] <mamarley> On the other hand, I have money, so I could buy another computer...
[18:35] <Sergobot> i can't compile grantlee
[18:35] <sgclark> mamarley: I would if I could!
[18:36] <Sergobot> sgclark: http://goo.gl/s8Duk3
[18:36] <sgclark> Sergobot: I can't see your screen unfortnately my irc dropped. 
[18:36]  * sgclark looks
[18:37] <sgclark> Sergobot: ok so that is a bad patch. It does not say can be reverse applied so it gets more complicated. let me see if I can find something for you to study
[18:37] <BluesKaj> mamarley,  I've been waiting patiently for plasma 5 to start working properly...it's frustrating to see upgrades everyday that appear to no effect on all it's problems
[18:38] <BluesKaj> have no effect, rather
[18:39] <sgclark> Sergobot: you will need to start here: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html for the quilt patch management
[18:39] <sgclark> Sergobot: also, have you worked with patches before? aka looking at code to see if the patch applies etc?
[18:40] <sgclark> Sergobot: soemtimes it is just a matter of lines numbers changing
[18:40] <mamarley> sgclark: OK, nvidia-346, nvidia-settings, and libvdpau have all been uploaded for vivid.  It shouldn't take them too long to build.
[18:40] <mamarley> nvidia-340 is uploading now.
[18:40] <sgclark> mamarley: yay!
[18:41] <Sergobot> sgclark: No, I haven't.
[18:42]  * BluesKaj sticks with the 331 driver on the old desktop pc with nvidia 8400gs on 14.10 and plasma 4
[18:43] <mamarley> For an 8400, you could run up through the 340 series if you wanted to.
[18:43]  * mamarley still has an 8600 and a 9500 in service, which is why he maintains that particular legacy version in his PPA>
[18:44] <BluesKaj> mamarley, it's not recommended and I haven't had much luck with the nvidia proprietary drivers, especially after opengl upgrades etc
[18:45] <mamarley> My system with the 8600 (m GT, to be specific) works fine with 340.xx.
[18:46] <BluesKaj> mamarley, on 14.10 or 15.04?
[18:46] <mamarley> 14.10.
[18:46]  * BluesKaj nods
[18:48] <sgclark> Sergobot: You will need to open the patch it can be found in debian/patches/variantIsTrue-float-fix.diff 
[18:51] <sgclark> Sergobot: then you need to read the patch and find things like what file(s) it patches, then you need to compare the patch with those files and see if the patch applies. Sometime the patched lines just moved to a different location in the code. Other times the code changed significantly and if you don't know if it applies you may have to go to upstream.
[18:51] <sgclark> Sergobot: so like give me a minute and I will grab the source to look and give you a clue
[18:54] <sgclark> Sergobot: can you tell me what ubuntu source you used for the /debian folder?
[18:58] <Sergobot> sgclark: I don't understand you
[18:58] <sgclark> Sergobot: ok nm
[19:07] <sgclark> Sergobot: ok so that code does not apply at all in the qt5 build, was from qt4, so what you need to do is: type quilt delete variantIsTrue-float-fix.diff and quilt refresh
[19:07] <sgclark> Sergobot: the try and compile again
[19:09] <sgclark> Sergobot: that make sense? 
[19:10] <Sergobot> sgclark: It makes, but now I have another issue. I am fixing it now
[19:10] <sgclark> Sergobot: np
[19:58] <Sergobot> sgclark: can you help me again?
[20:00] <sgclark> Sergobot: sorry, yep, whats up?
[20:01] <Sergobot> sgclark: http://goo.gl/qpcsQc
[20:03] <sgclark> Sergobot: ok missing depend, let find that for you
[20:06] <sgclark> Sergobot: ok in debian/control there is a section Build-Depends: add qttools5-dev to that list. save close. then run wrap-and-sort. then try and compile again.
[20:06] <Sergobot> sgclark: your help isn't already needed, I solved this problem.
[20:15] <sgclark> alrighty, great job
[20:19] <mamarley> sgclark: It looks like all the NVIDIA stuff built successfully. :)
[20:20] <sgclark> mamarley: woot! will load here in a bit, got too much stuff going on now :(
[20:20] <mamarley> OK
[20:31] <Sergobot> sgclark: Which files should I attach to bug 1372518?
[20:33] <sgclark> Sergobot: hmm debdiff and .dsc? not really sure :(
[20:33] <sgclark> Sergobot: can you dput .changes to your launchpad maybe? that is usually what I did
[20:37] <Sergobot> sgclark: I haven't a file .changes. I have only .dsc  .orig.tar.gz and  .debian.tar.xz
[20:53] <sgclark> Sergobot: attach the .dsc then
[20:55] <BluesKaj> mamarley, trying out the nvidia-340.58 proprietary driver on the old media server pc with the 8400gs...seems fine so far
[20:55] <mamarley> :)
[20:55] <Sergobot> sgclark: Okay
[20:56] <BluesKaj> well, calling it a day ...these old eyes are getting tired...later
[21:02] <sgclark> bcooksley: new error https://paste.kde.org/ppiflehg2
[21:02] <sgclark> bah wrong channel
[22:15] <mamarley> sgclark: "Microsoft Windows [Version 6.2.9200]" <<There's your problem!
[22:16] <sgclark> mamarley: LOL I know!
[22:16]  * sgclark grumbles at windows
[22:16] <sgclark> I am building a ci system for KDE, unfortunately cross platform is a requirement
[22:25] <valorie> heh, techywiki
[22:25] <valorie> I think community
[23:10] <genii> sgclark: Been tinkering with sddm. Issuing an xrandr command to turn off my secondary displays in /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup works, but then I discovered from this that in Vivid  even when explicit placement is given by xrandr commands in .xinitrc/.xsession or by a shell script in Autorun, it wants to still place them all side-by-side by default for some reason.
[23:10] <genii> Oddly the same xrandr commands issued manually in Konsole work fine.
[23:39] <soee> i see new apps landed in vivid updates