[00:35] <Unit193> hggdh: Still up?
[02:39] <hggdh> Unit193: still, for another 15 minutes
[02:42] <Unit193> amjjawad was and is on now. :P
[02:45] <hggdh> staff: please set a cloak ubuntu/member/amjjawad for amjjawad
[02:45] <hggdh> Unit193: thank you. Again :-)
[02:46] <hggdh> prolly will need to go #freenode
[06:50] <amjjawad> Hi, I've been trying to get my ubuntu clock for 3 days now with no progress
[06:51] <amjjawad> I understand it is the time zone thing but I'm not sure why after all what I have done to Ubuntu for 4 years, I must keep waiting for 3 days with no progress
[06:52] <amjjawad> the process MUST be much more simple and easier IMHO :)
[06:53] <Mikaela> Tm_T: would you be awake? If I have understood correctly, you are one of those people who can give permission for cloak and you should be on same TZ as I am. ^^
[06:53] <Mikaela> 2014-12-05 08:53:49+0200
[06:55] <rww> considering that hggdh already requested one, it's more bottlenecked on staff right now
[06:55]  * rww looks for an active one
[06:55] <amjjawad> there are many people in Australia and Asia who might be very happy to help when needed.
[06:55] <Mikaela> oh, I see.
[06:55] <Mikaela> I wonder when will they get their GMS open.
[06:56] <rww> that would rather simplify things
[06:56] <amjjawad> IMHO, with all due respect: people don't plan to fail, they fail to plan.
[06:56] <rww> amjjawad: diving into the conversation of "freenode staff coverage is amusing" is a maze you probably don't want to get into
[06:57] <amjjawad> AFAIK, it is not the freenode staff who we are waiting for
[06:57] <rww> < rww> | considering that hggdh already requested one, it's more bottlenecked on staff right now
[06:57] <amjjawad> AFAIK, we are waiting someone from the 4 Ubuntu IRC Council
[06:57] <rww> although perhaps he did the usual IRCC thing and asked in here and not #freenode for some reason
[06:57] <rww> and it's not 4, it's 3. and there's an ongoing nomination process to get back up to 5
[06:58] <rww> (and I gather one of them's a bit busy in real life right now, so... 2.5?)
[06:58] <amjjawad> hopefully one of them will be based on Asia/Australia :)
[06:59] <rww> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2014-November/001768.html
[06:59] <rww> if you know anyone suitable ^ :)
[06:59] <amjjawad> rww, tell me about real life :) I could write books about that. I understand how painful that is.
[06:59] <Mikaela> If I have understood correctly, one Australian is going to apply.
[07:00] <amjjawad> rww, IRC is not my thing, otherwise I would have applied and helped
[07:00] <rww> amusingly, it's actually two Australians, but I imported one of them to the USA :P
[07:00] <amjjawad> I have done heaps of stuff to Ubuntu for 4 years so I won't be late but I just don't like IRC much and have no time for it
[07:00] <Mikaela> IRC would be my thing and some people think that I should apply when they are being scary, but luckily I am not even member and I can use that as excuse.
[07:00] <amjjawad> I will send it to the LoCo team here
[07:03] <rww> ah, he did ask staff in #freenode. none of them replied.
[07:03] <amjjawad> email sent :) hope someone will step in.
[07:03] <Unit193> rww: He normally does.
[07:03] <rww> Unit193: good good
[07:05] <amjjawad> so? looks like I need to wait for some other day?
[07:07] <Tm_T> Mikaela: let's see
[07:07] <rww> Tm_T: I just poked jayne :)
[07:08] <Tm_T> rww: ah, thanks
[07:08] <Mikaela> amjjawad: I think maybe you should also be at #freenode
[07:09] <amjjawad> Mikaela, do I?
[07:09] <rww> generally staff will just PM if they need you to confirm, so not really
[07:09] <Mikaela> usually staffers have asked for confirmation of cloaked person from what I have followed and Tm_T and rww are currently talking with staffer there
[07:09] <Mikaela> oh, I see
[07:09] <rww> (heck, I used to just memoserv for mass requests :)
[07:10] <amjjawad> channel joined, just in case :)
[07:10] <rww> there we go, all sorted :)
[07:11] <rww> and: congratulations :)
[07:11] <amjjawad> I guess I need to log out and log back in, correcT?
[07:11] <amjjawad> correct*
[07:11] <Mikaela> congratulations
[07:11] <Mikaela> no, it was already applied
[07:11] <Tm_T> amjjawad: no, it's applied already
[07:11] <Mikaela> and will always be applied when you identify to NickServ
[07:11] <amjjawad> hmm, can't see that yet
[07:11] <amjjawad> thank you for everything
[07:11] <rww> amjjawad: /whois amjjawad. top line is what other see, we don't see the later one
[07:12] <Mikaela> 2014-12-05 09:10:26+0200 <-- amjjawad (~amjjawad@c122-107-110-79.blktn5.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Changing host)
[07:12] <Mikaela> 2014-12-05 09:10:26+0200 --> amjjawad (~amjjawad@ubuntu/member/amjjawad) has joined #ubuntu-irc
[07:12] <rww> (the later one being the "is connecting one" line, I think the wording is)
[07:12] <rww> from **
[07:13] <amjjawad> thank you all, once more :)
[07:13] <Mikaela> has certificate... and and is connecting from... if I recall correctly. Channel list is also hidden from everyone else than you except those channels that you share with the whoiser unless you are using umode -i (like me) but secret channels +s are hidden.
[07:13] <Mikaela> you don't see has certificate... if you arne't using certfp
[07:13] <Mikaela> you're welcome :)
[07:14] <amjjawad> So, you're not yet a member, Mikaela ?
[07:15] <Mikaela> no, I am not
[07:15] <amjjawad> if you don't mind another Q: which community you're part of?
[07:15] <Mikaela> the progress looks too difficult for me and I am not active enough and millions of different reasons
[07:15] <Mikaela> mainly Ubuntu Finland and Ubuntu Women, I think
[07:15] <amjjawad> I understand of course
[07:16] <amjjawad> Since I'm the Ubuntu GNOME Community Manger, I can't help and must always ask :)
[07:16] <Mikaela> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mikaela is my wiki page if you are interested
[07:16] <amjjawad> are you interested to join Ubuntu GNOME?
[07:16] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad is mine
[07:16] <Mikaela> I don't think I could do anything useful and I am using MATE as my primary desktop environment
[07:17] <amjjawad> Mikaela, you never know, you might be more useful than anyone else so just in case: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved
[07:17] <Mikaela>  You seem to have done a lot and your wiki page is a lot longer than mine
[07:18] <amjjawad> Mikaela, 4 years, 24/7
[07:18] <Mikaela> I can probably come to idle to your channel if you have any, but I don't think I can
[07:18] <amjjawad> people don't believe I'm human, they think I'm a robot
[07:19] <amjjawad> You don't see your real skills and talent. You're talented, find your talent :) everyone has something inside and could be helpful
[07:19] <Mikaela> I wonder if people think that about me for being at IRC nearly 24/7 and bouncer might not help
[07:19] <amjjawad> I have recruited many who are now Team Leaders :)
[07:20] <Mikaela> I don't think I will become anything
[07:20] <amjjawad> I disagree
[07:20] <amjjawad> so many people said the same statement
[07:20] <amjjawad> and they are doing many useful things
[07:21] <amjjawad> a side from Ubuntu GNOME, Lubuntu, StartUbuntu, Ubuntu QA and I forgot where else .. I'm the founder of ToriOS
[07:21] <amjjawad> based on Ubuntu but not an official flavor
[07:21] <amjjawad> http://torios.org/
[07:21] <amjjawad> just in case that is interested for you :)
[07:21] <Mikaela> the only thing I seem to be doing is IRC support for Supybot and I cannot even code :(
[07:22] <amjjawad> Oh, I am not a coder :)
[07:22] <amjjawad> But I'm good with the other things I do
[07:22] <amjjawad> I started from Ubuntu Forums :) giving technical support
[07:22] <Mikaela> Forums were never my thing
[07:22] <amjjawad> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1812877
[07:23] <amjjawad> a year later, joined Lubuntu and had changed a lot for 2 years
[07:23] <Mikaela> Your devel channel ( #ubuntu-gnome-devel ) looks a little empty by the way
[07:23] <amjjawad> I'm not a developer Mikaela so I don't go there
[07:23] <amjjawad> I don't like IRC but the recent changes in my life forced me to like it :)
[07:23] <amjjawad> and use it
[07:23] <Mikaela> It only has me, chanserv and ubuntulog2
[07:24] <amjjawad> Trust me, you can do a lot. You don't need to be a developer
[07:24] <Mikaela> I find developer channels often interesting
[07:24] <amjjawad> I'm on #ubuntu-gnome almost daily
[07:24] <amjjawad> but if you're not a coder, what is the point?
[07:24] <Mikaela> I don't think I can do anything and I am mostly at IRC because I don't have any other kind of sociality
[07:24] <Mikaela> they often announce commits and issues without having to open email client
[07:25] <amjjawad> hmm, maybe IRC support?
[07:25] <Mikaela> and some like #inspircd.dev are like offtopic channels
[07:25] <Mikaela> (not on this network)
[07:25] <Mikaela> maybe if I knew anything about anything
[07:25] <amjjawad> Ok, I don't give up so here is another try: http://amjjawad.net/kibo/
[07:26] <Mikaela> Tm_T: have you and valorie and who else recruited amjjawad into your conspiracy or something?
[07:26] <Tm_T> Mikaela: who is amjjawad?
[07:27] <amjjawad> Mikaela, no one recruits me, I do recruit people ;)
[07:27] <Mikaela> amjjawad: you aren't the only one, it started from Tm_T from what I can see
[07:27] <amjjawad> who is Tm_T ?
[07:28] <amjjawad> never heard of him/her
[07:28] <Tm_T> amjjawad: good question, let me know when you find out
[07:28] <Mikaela>  what is "maanitella" in English?
[07:28] <amjjawad> Tm_T, maybe when you find out about me ;)
[07:28] <Mikaela> "persuade" and "wheedle" don't seem good translations
[07:30]  * Mikaela seems to be drowning under different tabs
[07:32] <amjjawad> Mikaela, my 4th try will be: if you wish to learn new stuff, join: http://wiki.linuxpadawan.net/AboutUs
[07:32] <amjjawad> there are so many highly skilled and experienced people who are more than happy to take you under their wings Mikaela
[07:33] <Mikaela> I will also die to too many channels
[07:33] <Mikaela> 1 windows used (0 vertically / 0 horizontally split). 207 (of which 14 merged) buffers open: 1 core, 1 perl, 15 irc servers, 168 irc channels, 22 irc queries
[07:33] <amjjawad> why would you join so many channels Mikaela if that is an overkill?
[07:34] <Mikaela> linuxpadawan seems to have some negative way familiar names
[07:34] <amjjawad> I usually on 4 channels only and I am not interested at the moment to join the 5th one :)
[07:34] <amjjawad> negative way familiar names? Mikaela what do you mean?
[07:35] <Mikaela> I am mostly interested in all channels or I have been asked to join some and never left or something
[07:35] <Mikaela> bad experiences
[07:35] <Mikaela> but I probably have those with everyone anyway
[07:36] <amjjawad> Mikaela, are you saying some names here: http://wiki.linuxpadawan.net/AboutUs you know?
[07:36] <Mikaela> too familiar bot too
[07:36] <rww> I think this is perhaps a bit offtopic for "International Ubuntu IRC operators channel", folks :)
[07:36] <Mikaela> oh, sorry
[07:36] <Mikaela> amjjawad: would you like to PM or is there more suitable channel?
[07:38] <amjjawad> for what?
[07:38] <amjjawad> ohhh yes
[07:38] <amjjawad> rww, so sorry
[07:38] <amjjawad> I forgot that
[07:39] <amjjawad> I thought I'm on one of the channels I'm on daily :)
[07:39] <rww> no worries :)
[07:39] <amjjawad> that is a proof that I'm not into IRC :P
[07:39] <amjjawad> Mikaela, join #kibo please :) or #torios both are my channels