[00:15] <RAOF> You (mostly) don't need to write drivers to get Ubuntu Touch working on an Android device; we use the Android kernel and GLES driver stack and such for precisely that reason.
[00:39] <matv1> RAOF ah yes and libHybris right
[00:43] <matv1> So does that mean that -as far as the convergence story is concerned- desktop/server are always going to be running on a different kernel version compared to touch devices?
[00:43] <RAOF> Unless and until embedded manufacturers use an upstream kernel, yes.
[00:46] <matv1> RAOF interesting. never gave that much thought
[00:51] <nhaines> RAOF: if the target device runs Android 4.4.
[01:00] <matv1> nhaines meaning that setting U touch loose on a android 5.0 device will generate all kinds of hardware/driver issues again?
[01:03] <matv1> but i guess you would solve those through libhybris again. not by directly trying to write (or reverse engineer) a driver
[01:03] <matv1> if the later is even possible :)
[01:03] <nhaines> matv1: nah, my Nexus 5 is working great, but I think the Android kernel used by the Ubuntu image is still 4.4.3 or 4.4.4.  :)
[01:04] <matv1> aha so no kernel change between the two
[04:25] <Bobby__> Hello all. I am trying to get sound playback working on an Intel Bay Trail tablet. I do not get a sound device with any firmware except for with 5339.B in the Intel ChromiumOS repo. With this firmware I only get static or no sound at all though. I have played with all the alsamixer settings and tried the ASUS t100 state file that is commonly used still with no sound.  What can I do to fix this?
[04:48] <UTL> I'm baaaaack!
[04:48] <nhaines> Welcome back!
[06:33] <UTL> I'm taking notes of my experiences with messing with the Ubuntu Touch ovation image. I found the Russian link where "wesnoth" comments on how to flash Ubuntu Touch on Nook HD+ (Warning: Needs a translator!): http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=511101
[06:34] <nhaines> Oh, that's great!
[06:34] <UTL> It even has instructions on how to flash the different components of the image.
[06:37] <UTL> nhaines: Maybe now you can get an idea of what my problem is. If you have a Nook HD+, maybe you can try it out.
[06:38] <nhaines> I do not have a Nook HD+, unfortunately.
[06:43] <UTL> I do because of the many reviews I've read about it. According to what I read, it is (or was) the best inexpensive tablet on the market. If I remember correctly, the only complaints were the Nook firmware, because Barnes & Noble forces you to have an account before you even try to use it.
[06:43] <UTL> I think that's true of all Nooks.
[06:45] <UTL> That stinks, because you don't get to try it unless it's on display at Walmart (and when I got it, it wasn't).
[06:46] <nhaines> Or at a Barnes & Nobel.
[06:56] <UTL> That's true, too, however I think Barnes & Noble have discarded the Nook for what is called the "Nook by Samsung".
[06:57] <UTL> I did not see B&N display the Nook HD+, even though they still have accessories for it.
[06:59] <nhaines> They're getting ready to split into separate companies.
[06:59] <UTL> Really? I didn't know that!
[07:00] <nhaines> Yup.  Every publisher that isn't Amazon is doing their best to implode.
[07:54] <Guest90448> How to develop
[08:03] <mirza> K
[08:06] <UTL> I'm looking at the list of Ubuntu IRC channels. Which ones do you think I should contact about my problem with the ovation image?
[08:06] <mirza> Utl what u means
[08:07] <popey> UTL: what image?
[08:07] <UTL> I want to find out more about Ubuntu Touch ovation (Nook HD+).
[08:08] <popey> UTL: you already know the answer, speak to the person who made the image
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <mirza> dholbach good morning
[08:11] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[08:11] <dholbach> hi mirza, nhaines :)
[08:12] <mirza> The package ovation-preinstalled-touch-16-11-2013.zip utl
[08:12] <mirza> dholbach can i ask u
[08:13] <mirza> Is it madness or intelligence
[08:14] <dholbach> I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about.
[08:14] <mirza> Scientists in Korea have been using the virus
[08:14] <mirza> to cure lung cancer (in mice, at least.) ... non-replicating
[08:14] <mirza> cells (like neurons) and can create long term changes,
[08:14] <mirza> positive changes in genes
[08:15] <mirza> My question is it madness
[08:15] <mirza> Is we really want vaccine
[08:16] <mirza> See my question did we really antivirus software cause linux always remain virus free dholbach
[08:17] <mirza> Whatever we use paid shit windows then pay on the antivirus
[08:17] <mirza> Why we people no use linux they are too use friendly than windows
[08:18] <dholbach> I really don't know where you are going with this. All the bits which go into Ubuntu are open source.......
[08:18] <sergiusens> zbenjamin: fyi https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/locale/+merge/242986
[08:18] <zbenjamin> sergiusens: ok!
[08:19] <mirza> Ya i know but why we not get laptop preinstall with ubuntu like apple mac or android or chrome os counterpart
[08:20] <mirza> When can we esp i get ubuntu touch phone
[08:20] <dholbach> there are lots of preinstalled options for Ubuntu - Dell for example has been doing this for years
[08:20] <dholbach> and I'm not sure this is the right place to talk about antivirus etc
[08:20] <nhaines> The new HP premiere laptop can come with Ubuntu.
[08:21] <mirza> First dell ar costly and there display ar bad
[08:21] <mirza> When nhaines
[08:21] <nhaines> mirza: you can't complain that there are no preinstalled Ubuntu options and then complain that well, there are but you just don't like them.  :)
[08:22] <nhaines> mirza: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/elitebook-folio-1020/specs.html
[08:22] <mirza> I luv them ubuntu my fav but new firmware shuck laptop i can duel boot it
[08:23] <nhaines> I don't know what that means.
[08:24] <mirza> I wanna duel bool laptop with one media center another ubuntustudio i can find way can u help to figure out it
[08:24] <mirza> Uefi boot i speaking about
[08:25] <nhaines> No, I'm heading to bed soon so I can watch the Orion launch but basically you just install both and as long as they both support UEFI boot it just works.
[08:25] <mirza> It go overmy brain
[08:25] <nhaines> Install Ubuntu last.  It will handle everything.
[08:25] <mirza> Where it is dvd download takes time
[08:26] <mirza> Any magazine offer free dvd with them
[08:29] <nhaines> dholbach: once after trying to get my friend to give me an address so I could use Google Navigation, I was at a small musical performance with some friends and I was trying to get an address to a restaurant to eat before we all had to drive back.  So my friend said "we'll ask my friend.  She's from around here."
[08:30] <mirza> H
[08:30] <nhaines> Then she suggested a Chinese restaurant.  So I said "sounds great.  What are the names of the cross streets?"  And she began "Well, you go down this road south towards this road, then you wait until you see the water tower and you..."
[08:31] <nhaines> So I turned to my friend, smiling, and cheerfully said "Ich bekomme einfach niemals ein Antwort zu meine Frage."
[08:31] <nhaines> And my friend said, "Aber meine Freundin Anita spricht perfektes Deutsch" and I said "of course she does."
[08:31] <nhaines> Anita was Chinese.  :)
[08:31] <mirza> Moito hipo distroya
[08:32] <nhaines> But luckily I just explained that directions had been a struggle earlier and we all laughed.
[08:32] <nhaines> Also by "ein" I mean "kein"
[08:32] <mirza> Haa haa nhaines
[08:33] <dholbach> haha :)
[08:33] <mirza> Just funny
[08:33] <mirza> I does most funny
[08:34] <mirza> You know peel have more power than fruit
[08:34] <nhaines> I suppose that's quite possible.
[08:34] <mirza> Imagine how
[08:34] <mirza> Nhaines
[08:35] <nhaines> Well, I suspect it's usually denser.
[08:35] <mirza> What
[08:36] <nhaines> More mass.
[08:37] <mirza> Not weight of pumkin haa haa blah blah
[08:37] <mirza> So serious no fun ok
[08:37] <mirza> Can u name magazine who provide linux cds in there issue
[08:38] <popey> Linux Voice
[08:38] <popey> http://www.linuxvoice.com/
[08:38] <mirza> Does it supplies globally
[08:39] <popey> join #linuxvoice and ask them where you can get it
[08:39] <mirza> Is it hosted in this server
[08:39] <mirza> Popey
[08:40] <popey> yes
[08:42] <mirza> Popey i want to transact money overseas what are bitcoin minner who convert bitcoins in to qatar dinnah or rayal and any bank support multicurrency account and some idea on west bank i live in maldives
[08:43] <popey> I dunno, but that seems a bit offtopic here.
[08:43] <popey> (Maldives is lovely, I went there for my honeymoon in 2000)
[08:43] <mirza> Nice for sunnami
[08:44] <mirza> I hope next time u and ur wife enjoy that
[08:45] <mirza> Plz we ar living place i need transaction so any help great regarded
[08:46] <mirza> West bank idea i hear they ar annyomus also save taxes it it true
[08:47] <mirza> Popey i did not find yearly subscription page
[08:59] <matv1> on rtm proposed i am getting notifications of system updates when there are none when I run updates in system-settings
[08:59] <matv1> just me?
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Soil Day! :-D
[10:05] <nhaines> matv1: I never get system update notifications on ubuntu-rtm/14.09.
[10:10] <matv1> nhaines I am on ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed\
[10:11] <matv1> nhaines but after a reboot it sorted itself out and saw the new image
[10:11] <nhaines> matv1: I didn't receive updates on that channel either that I noticed.  But then I run Ubuntu intermittently.
[10:13] <UTL> I decided to join the #ubuntu-ru channel to see if anyone has heard of "wesnoth". I hope somebody there knows English!
[10:14] <matv1> nhaines It hasnt been there until recently. Its been there over the past few images. i would say like a week. maybe a bit more
[10:15] <nhaines> I thought I saw someone mentioning it.  Well, I'll just continue to wait.  :)
[10:27] <oSoMoN> Mirv, re bug #1399597, what do you mean by "it'll be reverted" ?
[10:27] <ubot5`> bug 1399597 in oxide-qt (Ubuntu) "The last oxide upload breaks autopkgtests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399597
[10:28] <Mirv> oSoMoN: well uploading the previous version with a new version number
[10:29] <oSoMoN> Mirv, which version? if you mean 1.2.x that’s a bad idea, it’ll break the browser
[10:29] <Mirv> oSoMoN: the 1.3.5-0ubuntu1 of course. you probably missed the packaging upload from zoltan
[10:29] <oSoMoN> oh, I guess I did then, let me check the changes
[10:30] <Mirv> oSoMoN: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxide-qt/1.3.5-0ubuntu4
[10:30] <oSoMoN> ah, right
[10:30] <oSoMoN> Mirv, ok, fine by me then
[10:30] <Mirv> so the revert looks like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/191897077/oxide-qt_1.3.5-0ubuntu4_1.3.5-0ubuntu5.diff.gz
[10:31] <Mirv> oSoMoN: good! :)
[10:31] <oSoMoN> Mirv, did Chris Coulson review that packaging change before it went through?
[10:31] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yes, from what I heard
[10:32] <oSoMoN> yeah, he did indeed
[10:32] <oSoMoN> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/oxide/packaging.vivid-improved-conflicts/+merge/243515
[10:37] <bzoltan> oSoMoN: Mirv. that bug description is very strange and it does not tell what the real problem is ...
[10:39] <Mirv> bzoltan: the bug is that because of oxide changes installing packages fails, which prevents package promotion. if I would actually understand the problem I could upload a fix instead.
[10:40] <Mirv> I updated the bug a bit to state that it's package installation problem
[10:41] <bzoltan> Mirv:  Ok, I check out too the problem ... for the records, I did test the installation of the packages and did not see any problem
[10:42] <Mirv> bzoltan: yeah I can't hit an error simply installing either of the codecs packages, but somehow the way the test machines install eg unity8 dependencies causes the error
[10:57] <bzoltan> Mirv:  I repeated the installation tests and absolutely no problem ...
[10:58] <bzoltan> Mirv:  the problem is that nobody will take this bug  :( and a week effort is just dropped
[11:05] <Mirv> bzoltan: well we'd need to find someone who understands what's wrong. maybe Chris can take another look?
[11:16] <Mirv> bzoltan: I'm not sure what's relevant, but qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu recommends ubuntu-sdk, which depends on ubuntu-sdk-libs, which directly depends on oxideqt-codecs-extra, which conflicts with oxideqt-codecs. in the bug, oxideqt-codecs is already installed
[11:20] <Mirv> oh...
[11:21] <Mirv> oh, nothing. I don't find anything depending specifically on oxideqt-codecs that could cause the problem, other than apt getting confused
[11:32] <bzoltan> Mirv:  but why apt is confused there and not confused on click chroot or on my machines (both amd64 and i386 I tested)?
[11:47] <bzoltan> Mirv:  I think I understand the problem ... if the oxideqt-codes-extra is listed as dependency as a standalone package and the same package is removed in favor of the oxideqt-codecs then apt fails...
[11:50] <bzoltan> Mirv:  so the oxideqt-codes-extra is listed as package to be installed and to be removed ... and during the apt process it is half installed
[11:53] <bzoltan> Mirv: I would suggest to fix the  ubuntu-restricted-addons kubuntu-restricted-addons ubuntu-sdk-libs packages  not to single depend on the oxideqt-codecs-extras ... especially the latest one
[11:53] <bzoltan> mvo_:  are you around?
[11:54] <oSoMoN> pitti, would you happen to know why permissions on /dev/shm changed between utopic and vivid? (see bug #1396951 for context)
[11:54] <ubot5`> bug 1396951 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "webbrowser-app’s autopilot tests fail on otto: access to /dev/shm is denied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396951
[11:56] <bzoltan> mvo_:  Mirv: so this line I would change -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid/view/head:/sdk-libs#L55
[12:14] <bzoltan> mvo_: ogra_: I would suggest to remove or change that oxide line in the sdk-libs ^
[12:15] <ogra_> erm, we need it seeded
[12:15] <ogra_> else you have no audio or video in the browser
[12:15] <bzoltan> ogra_: in the sdk-libs<
[12:15] <ogra_> yes
[12:15] <ogra_> it is part of the framework
[12:15] <bzoltan> ogra_: ???
[12:15] <ogra_> sdk-libs is the package roviding the framework
[12:15] <ogra_> *pro
[12:15] <bzoltan> ogra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxide-qt/+bug/1399597
[12:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1399597 in oxide-qt (Ubuntu) "The last oxide upload breaks autopkgtests with a package installation failure" [Undecided,New]
[12:16] <ogra_> oxide-codex-extra is essential on the phone ... you cant just make that an "or" dependency
[12:16] <bzoltan> ogra_:  could it be an codecs|codecs-extras?
[12:17] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/oxide/packaging.vivid-improved-conflicts/+merge/243515 is definitely wrong
[12:19] <pitti> oSoMoN: not really, they should be 1777 and have always been, at least on desktop
[12:19] <ogra_> might not be the case on touch though
[12:20] <oSoMoN> pitti, in my vivid chroot they’re not, and neither are they in the chroots used by the CI infrastructure, any idea what could have caused this change?
[12:20] <pitti> oSoMoN: what likely changed is that you have a chroot or similar environment  where it's a symlink to /run/shm/, and something doesn't bind-mount/init that dir properly
[12:20] <ogra_> yeah
[12:20] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9381650/
[12:21] <pitti> and I suppose /run/shm is not a mount, and is only 755?
[12:21] <ogra_> (thats a normal phone though)
[12:21] <oSoMoN> pitti, precisely, in my utopic chroot it used to be a symlink, but in my vivid chroot it’s not a symlink anymore
[12:21] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ mount|grep shm
[12:21] <ogra_> none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime)
[12:22] <oSoMoN> ogra_, I’m not seeing the issue on my phone on vivid though, it seems it’s only in chroots
[12:22] <pitti> ogra_: ah, on the phone it certainly has proper permissions, right? (1777)
[12:22] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls -l /run/|grep shm
[12:22] <ogra_> drwxrwxrwt 2 root       root        160 Nov 13 13:46 shm
[12:22] <ogra_> yep
[12:22] <ogra_> but as oSoMoN said, this is on a real phone
[12:22] <oSoMoN> if it didn’t the browser wouldn’t run, we’d notice soon enough :)
[12:23] <pitti> oSoMoN: so perhaps your chroots neither mount /dev/shm from the host nor have a proper /run/shm/
[12:23] <pitti> ?
[12:23] <oSoMoN> pitti, that’s /run/shm in my vivid chroot: drwxrwxrwt  2 root root     40 Dec  5 12:21 /run/shm
[12:23] <pitti> yeah, chroots and /run is always a complicated matter; Debian changed /dev/shm/ to /run/shm a while ago (https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory) and we inherited that
[12:24] <oSoMoN> and: # mount | grep shm
[12:24] <oSoMoN> tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,relatime)
[12:24] <pitti> oSoMoN: that looks ok; is /dev/shm a symlink?
[12:24] <pitti> phone brb
[12:24] <oSoMoN> pitti, no, /dev/shm is not a symlink, it’s a plain directory
[12:24] <oSoMoN> (drwxr-xr-x)
[12:25] <ogra_> aha
[12:25] <ogra_> and not 1777
[12:25] <oSoMoN> yup
[12:25] <oSoMoN> but I have no idea why it doesn’t have the right permissions
[12:25] <gcollura> does anyone know why I don't get push notifications on vivid? (channel: ubuntu-touch/devel r1)
[12:25] <oSoMoN> (which is my original question)
[12:26] <gcollura> I used to get them on rtm. I've also tried to readd my ubuntuone account too
[12:26] <ogra_> gcollura, you should ... not sure why you dont
[12:26] <ogra_> Chipaca is your man
[12:27] <gcollura> I'll wait for Chipaca then :) thanks ogra_
[12:32] <pitti> ogra_: ah, it should be a symlink
[12:32] <pitti> err, oSoMoN
[12:32] <pitti> well, it really shouldn't be, but with Debian's layout it should
[12:33] <oSoMoN> pitti, do you know what is responsible for creating it in the first place, when creating a chroot?
[12:34] <pitti> oSoMoN: it depends on how you build it, but I figure somewhere between initscript's postinst and debootstrap; mk-sbuild and friends might also make some adjustments there, and sbuild has its own fstabs
[12:39] <Mirv> bzoltan: ogra_: so I had this thought http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/random_guess_at_fixing_lp1399597/revision/272 but I didn't have the idea why it broke up in the first place
[12:39] <ogra_> Mirv, we need -extras as a hard dep
[12:40] <ogra_> it needs to be on the image and is a part of the framework
[12:40] <Mirv> ogra_: so a hard dep where it's listed first wouldn't work?
[12:42] <ogra_> Mirv, not sure, it might depend on the tool used (apt vs aptitude, metapackage vs task resolve in different orders)  but we need to 100% make sure it ends up on the image and as a dep of sdk-libs which is our framework no matter what you do
[12:43] <ogra_> i'm not sure if/how well and "or" dep in seeds works
[12:43] <ogra_> s/and/an/
[12:58] <Mirv> bzoltan: so what depends on oxideqt-codecs | oxideqt-codecs-extras and could that be changed the other way around?
[12:59] <phanohanover> Good morning to all!
[13:00] <phanohanover> To all of dev team: Great job with touch. Keep up the good work. I just installed it and it is promissing! I wish bluetooth would work on my nexus 5 but I guess i'll just wait for it! Thanks to all!
[13:06] <nhaines> IPv6 is far more secure than IPv4.
[13:06] <nhaines> Because nobody understands IPv6 addressing so no one can hack you.
[13:07] <UTL> *sigh!* I'm glad you're happy, phanohanover. I don't have a Nexus anything.
[13:29] <popey> ogra_: is there a known media playback bug?
[13:30] <ogra_> popey, in rtm ?
[13:30] <popey> JoeyChan: you're on mako? Which channel?
[13:30] <JoeyChan> popey:   ogra_   vivid devel
[13:30] <popey> ah
[13:30] <JoeyChan> r44
[13:31] <JoeyChan> since r37
[13:31] <ogra_> could be
[13:31] <ogra_> vivid is not really getting much QA attention ...
[13:31] <JoeyChan> ok..
[13:31] <ogra_> so a bug there is surely possible
[13:32] <ogra_> i *think* it works on #39 which we promoted yesterday
[13:32] <ogra_> at least on mako flo and krillin ... iirc manta has issues
[13:34] <JoeyChan> ogra_:   so not sure that the bug will be fixed in vivid ?
[13:34] <ogra_> not sure there is a bug ... what are you seeing ... on which arch
[13:34] <ogra_> in general though ... vivid is developer playground, if you want something QAed and stable use rtm
[13:35] <JoeyChan> i c
[13:36] <JoeyChan> related to this bug ?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/unity8/+bug/1389008
[13:36] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1389008 in ubuntu-touch-session (Ubuntu RTM) "Often fails to connect to Pulseaudio and unity-notifications (results in missing volume notifications and improper volume control)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:37] <ogra_> that bug makes the popup notification for volume control not shown
[13:38] <ogra_> whats your issue exactly ?
[13:38] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ogra_: so bzoltan pointed out the Oxide itself is the only one that prefers the non-extras, being the probable cause for the problem. so I'd keep the new Oxide changes but do the following to switch the order: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9382431/ - does that sound good?
[13:39] <oSoMoN> Mirv, why would the order matter?
[13:39] <davmor2> popey: there is a known media playback bug, from image 40 onward the new systemd landed and broke everything hence testing 39 for promotion
[13:40] <JoeyChan> ogra_:   my issue is simple:   the music-app cannot play music,  the media-player-app said it cannot connect the play backend
[13:40] <Mirv> oSoMoN: because if apt first considers Oxide's own changes, it installs the oxideqt-codecs. then other packages later on hard depend on oxideqt-codecs-extras, and they conflict with each other and apt probably doesn't find its way out of the situation properly.
[13:40] <davmor2> popey: oh and new apparmor just incase it isn't systemd's fault
[13:40] <ogra_> JoeyChan, and on what arch is that ?
[13:40] <Mirv> oSoMoN: if apt _did_ check the other deps first, it'd be happy with extras being installed. but since it first only checks oxide's deps alone, it already installs the normal codecs packages before considering others' needs.
[13:40] <Mirv> oSoMoN: well, that's the theory anywya.
[13:41] <JoeyChan> ogra_:   vivid r44 in my mako
[13:41] <JoeyChan> devel
[13:41] <davmor2> ogra_, JoeyChan: it's a known issue
[13:41] <ogra_> well, then file a bug ...
[13:41] <ogra_> davmor2, on mako too ?
[13:41] <ogra_> i thought that was only manta
[13:42] <davmor2> ogra_: this is the test that failed the sanity on image 40 which caused me to test 39 for promotion
[13:42] <ogra_> ah
[13:42] <Mirv> oSoMoN: chris isn't online yet? I'd probably then just upload that to the silo, update the bug and say "please land if ok for everyone"
[13:43] <davmor2> ogra_: media failed and video in camera failed, not sure what else I got no further
[13:43] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  also in webbrowser
[13:44] <davmor2> JoeyChan: they might of added the browser/media hub plugin now
[13:44] <JoeyChan> lol
[13:45] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  there's one funny situation that I can play music and video
[13:45] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  the unity8 crash then reboot itself,   I found everything works fine
[13:53] <oSoMoN> Mirv, ok, so supposedly it really is a bug in apt, right? Can mvo_ confirm that?
[13:55] <Mirv> oSoMoN: I think in a sense yet, as apt should be able to recover from that situation (by uninstalling oxideqt-codecs (or not installing it in the first place) and installing oxideqt-codecs-extras)
[13:55] <Mirv> s/yet/yes/
[13:56] <oSoMoN> Mirv, if swapping the order fixes the issue, then go for it, but it would be good to get to the bottom of things, we shouldn’t have to do this kind of things in the first place
[13:56] <oSoMoN> Mirv, also, what package depends explicitly on oxideqt-codecs-extras?
[13:59] <Mirv> oSoMoN: bug updated, it needs to be landed by US people in around 5h if ok.
[13:59] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ubuntu-sdk-libs requires it, and if you read above ogra_ explains that the images need it as a hard dependency
[14:02] <Mirv> oSoMoN: you're correct that it'd be nice to understand if apt could be fixed to cope with what the autopkgtest is doing https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/consoleFull
[14:03] <oSoMoN> Mirv, right, I know that the images need it, but I’m not sure I understand why ubuntu-sdk-libs does
[14:03] <Mirv> oSoMoN: that's the route the images get it, via ubuntu-sdk-libs
[14:05] <UTL> So close! It's Ubuntu on a non-Nexus tablet, but it's not Ubuntu Touch! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074169
[14:09] <oSoMoN> Mirv, huh, I thought it was in the seed?
[14:09] <ogra_> oSoMoN, it is in the sdk-libs seed, yes
[14:09] <ogra_> which is the framework seed
[14:10] <oSoMoN> ha, ok
[14:16] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yes that's what the seed is, generates the ubuntu-touch-meta src package :)
[14:17] <jdstrand> davmor2: I thought I mentioned this before-- the new apparmor doesn't change policy-- it only moves libapparmor1 from /usr/lib to /lib
[14:19] <davmor2> jdstrand: that is why we are assuming systemd over apparmor
[14:22] <jgdx> seb128, hey, could you take a quick look at [1] and do a code review when you have a chance? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-radio-bug-related-to-1378812/+merge/243804
[14:22] <seb128> jgdx, hey, ok, did you ping ken about that one as well?
[14:23] <jgdx> seb128, think he's off today, but I'll shoot him an email.
[14:23] <seb128> k, thanks
[15:12] <mterry> bzoltan, your latest upload of oxide-qt is causing some problems (not necessarily oxide-qt's fault, but trying to understand the problem) -- many packages are stuck in vivid-proposed because their build-dependencies pull in both codecs and codecs-extra which fails
[15:13] <seb128> mterry, that has been discussed on several occasions/channels today from what I saw
[15:13] <mterry> seb128, OK great
[15:13] <ogra_> yeah, we need to get rid of codecs again ...
[15:14] <ogra_> we only use -extra in the framework
[15:30] <saidinesh5> Elleo: ping
[15:31] <Elleo> saidinesh5: pong :)
[15:31] <saidinesh5> Elleo: about the maliit plugin's window position etc...
[15:31] <saidinesh5> could you give me a quick rundown of what's to be done?
[15:33] <Elleo> saidinesh5: the way it's currently handled is a bit of a hack; at the moment the ubuntu-keyboard plugin takes a fullscreen surface, draws wherever it likes on that surface and then reports the area that should receive touch events to mir via a dbus channel
[15:33] <saidinesh5> yeah that's what i noticed .. so was confused what to do
[15:33] <Elleo> then any other events are just passed on to the application below
[15:34] <saidinesh5> hmm... is there any neat little wrapper that takes care of this whole dbus thing?
[15:34] <saidinesh5> i thought maliit by default takes care of this stuff
[15:34] <saidinesh5> via. setRegion()
[15:34] <Elleo> saidinesh5: yeah, it should; but at the moment that's handled in the plugin for mir rather than in the maliit server; it's on my TODO list to add a mir backend to maliit so we can get that out of the plugin
[15:35] <saidinesh5> umm.. i don't mind doing this TODO bit, if you help me out :P
[15:35] <Elleo> saidinesh5: for the moment it's the ubuntuapplicationapiwrapper.cpp in ubuntu-keyboard that handles it
[15:35] <saidinesh5> basically i really want to test this plugin on the device
[15:35] <saidinesh5> Ahh
[15:35]  * saidinesh5 checks
[15:35] <Elleo> saidinesh5: if you just grab that and include it in your plugin, you just call a method on that pretty much the same as the maliit setRegion
[15:36] <saidinesh5> iSee
[15:36] <saidinesh5> and i have to then create  a fullscreen window again?
[15:36] <saidinesh5> with transparency and all?
[15:36] <Elleo> yeah, pretty much
[15:36] <saidinesh5> Ahh and who reports the orientation changes?
[15:37] <Elleo> that comes in via the standard maliit channels
[15:37] <Elleo> so the application will tell you when its orientation has changed, and you have to adapt as needed
[15:37] <saidinesh5> Ahh
[15:37] <saidinesh5> how much work is it to actually add a mir backend to maliit itself?
[15:38] <Elleo> saidinesh5: currently there's an orientationhelper in the keyboard that handles our side of it; but that's going to get much simpler soon when the unity shell rotation stuff lands
[15:38] <Elleo> saidinesh5: shouldn't be a massive amount of work, but I haven't looked into it in detail yet
[15:38] <saidinesh5> unity shell rotation?
[15:38] <Elleo> saidinesh5: yep, instead of apps handling orientation themselves most of the hard work is done for them by unity
[15:38] <saidinesh5> so then we completely ignore maliit's orientation?
[15:38] <saidinesh5> Ah
[15:39] <saidinesh5> interesting
[15:39] <Elleo> so the keyboard just needs to respond to its window being resized appropriately
[15:39] <Elleo> without worrying about the actual orientation of anything
[15:40] <saidinesh5> so basically i don't mind fixing maliit for mir, if it isn't too much work, that way i can just maintain the maliit plugin for skeyer
[15:40] <saidinesh5> which then works the same everywhere
[15:41] <Elleo> saidinesh5: well, it's on my todo list anyway; so I could push for it to be included in my next 2 week iteration (starting on the 15th)
[15:41] <Elleo> saidinesh5: otherwise if you want it before then you're more than welcome to have a go :)
[15:42] <Elleo> saidinesh5: it should mostly be a matter of duplicating one of the existing plugins and replacing the geometry handling there with what's already in the keyboard's mir wrapper
[15:42] <Elleo> saidinesh5: but as I say, I haven't looked into it in detail yet, so there might be more complicated things that I'm overlooking
[15:42] <seb128> mardy, hey, is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mardy/shotwell/lp1382843/revision/170 good for upload or are you still working on that?
[15:43] <saidinesh5> aye i m looking into it...
[15:50] <saidinesh5> hmm.. this is actually quite little amount of stuff
[15:50] <saidinesh5>     virtual void setupInputPanel(QWindow* window, Maliit::Position position);
[15:50] <saidinesh5>     virtual void setInputRegion(QWindow* window, const QRegion& region);
[15:50] <saidinesh5>     virtual void setApplicationWindow(QWindow *window, WId appWindowId);
[15:51] <saidinesh5> that's about it...
[15:55] <Elleo> yeah, I suspect it should all be pretty simple; but I wouldn't swear to it ;)
[15:56] <saidinesh5> heh okay
[15:57] <saidinesh5> do you have any little test cases for me to test this stuff on?
[15:57] <saidinesh5> also Elleo setting up a chroot environment on Nexus 7 finally worked. Although i admit, it's a PITA
[15:57] <Elleo> saidinesh5: not really, the only thing that does anything like this at the moment is the keyboard; quickest test would be to just recompile the keyboard without the call to the wrapper
[15:57] <Elleo> saidinesh5: ah, good :)
[15:58] <saidinesh5> and Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.. NOW i get it, why my maliit plugin didn't even show up on Nexus 7
[15:58] <saidinesh5> it was missing the mir connection bit!
[15:58] <Elleo> yep :)
[15:59] <Elleo> having that bit of black magic buried in the keyboard plugin has annoyed me for a while, which is why it'll be so good to get it into maliit so no-one else has to care about it in the future
[15:59] <saidinesh5> Also Elleo is there a problem with Qt's font pointSize etc.. on mir?
[15:59] <Elleo> I don't know, we tend to do everything in our own grid units
[15:59]  * saidinesh5 googles
[16:01] <saidinesh5> umm for that i need to touch ubuntu touch components? to take care of the gridUnits bit...
[16:02] <Elleo> yeah, so not ideal for a general purpose thing
[16:02] <Elleo> I'd have thought pointsize stuff should work, but it's not something I've really tried
[16:04] <saidinesh5> it wasn't working for me..  will have to see again though
[16:05] <Elleo> if it isn't working I'd definitely recommend filing a bug for it; that's not really my area so I'm not sure what could be going wrong
[16:06] <Elleo> it's possible Mir doesn't report the dpi to Qt yet or something?
[16:09] <saidinesh5> not sure... the characters on nexus 7 for the ubuntu touch keyboard are very tiny...
[16:10] <saidinesh5> realized that when i was using the emulator on the desktop, where they appeared to be their normal size
[16:10] <saidinesh5> so don't know where exactly the issue is
[16:23] <sil2100> bfiller: hey! Do you know when Ken will be around today?
[16:23] <sil2100> bfiller: we're waiting for him to test his silo which we would really badly like to land today still
[16:23] <ogra_> (so it can get dogfoodin on the WE)
[16:23] <bfiller> sil2100: he'll be back this afternoon
[16:23] <ogra_> +g
[16:25]  * popey wonders why https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/maillist.html isn't updating
[16:26] <sil2100> popey: that happens sometimes, sometimes the archive is really REALLY slow
[16:26] <popey> ☹
[16:26] <popey> annoying when you want to link to it
[16:26] <sil2100> popey: there are days where it takes over 4 hours for my landing e-mail to appear...
[16:26] <sil2100> Yeah
[16:26] <popey> ok, I'll go and do something else then :D
[16:27] <ogra_> popey, for me it often helps to switch from thread to date view (at the top)
[16:27] <popey> will put a brick on F5
[16:27] <ogra_> might be a coincidence and i'm just lucky though
[16:32] <sil2100> I thought it helped originally
[16:33] <sil2100> But then I had another day where I waited 2+ hours and it didn't appear, so I had to share the next day
[16:37] <sil2100> Kaleo: hey! I'll be publishing your silo with your camera-app changes now, but just wanted to point something out
[16:38] <sil2100> Kaleo: if you could mention in the changelog whenever you add new package dependencies it would be really useful
[17:03] <Kaleo> sil2100, good point, thanks
[17:27] <dobey> Chipaca: the twitter push notification is supposed to play a sound, right? or was that removed?
[17:27] <ubuntu0001> Can I run synaptic on the current version of ubuntu touch?
[17:28] <ogra_> no
[17:28] <ogra_> well, you could set up ssh and run it remotely via ssh ...
[17:28] <dobey> you can run it
[17:28] <dobey> but it doesn't make sense to run it
[17:29] <ubuntu0001> Can I install lxde in the current version of ubuntu touch?
[17:29] <dobey> install yes
[17:30] <dobey> make sense to do, no
[17:30] <dobey> are you trying to run lxde on a phone or something?
[17:30] <ubuntu0001> Does lxde run in the current version of ubuntu touch?
[17:30] <ogra_> yeah, would just waste diskspace
[17:30]  * ogra_ doubts it would run on Mir
[17:31] <dobey> ogra_: well, if it's gtk3, it would probably run with the mir backend for gtk+, but maybe not behave very nicely
[17:31] <ogra_> yeah
[17:31] <ubuntu0001> There are videos on youtube of lxde running smoothly on the older nexus 7
[17:31] <popey> that was running x
[17:31] <ogra_> thats like 3 years ao ...
[17:32] <popey> touch doesn't use x
[17:32] <ogra_> ago
[17:32] <ogra_> right, and it was using Xorg
[17:32] <dobey> ubuntu has armhf builds available
[17:32] <dobey> so you can take an armhf ISO and run lubuntu if you want probably
[17:32] <ubuntu0001> why was the ubuntu core project abandoned? It runs beautifully in youtube
[17:32] <ogra_> it wasnt abandoned ...
[17:32] <dobey> what are you talking about?
[17:32] <ogra_> it moved on
[17:33] <ogra_> what you saw there was just a test system to collect data for the phone OS
[17:33] <ogra_> it was never intended for anything more than collecting performance and resource data for 6 months
[17:33] <dobey> so synaptic is gtk+3 it looks like, so it would probably run ok on mir
[17:33] <ubuntu0001> Can I use the Ubuntu 12 LTS repositories with the 13.04 version of ubuntu?
[17:34] <ogra_> after that ubuntu-core moved on to actually become a core for all ubuntu
[17:34] <dobey> but you really shouldn't be installing debs on ubuntu touch
[17:34] <dobey> ubuntu0001: #ubuntu is the support channel for ubuntu, this channel is specifically about development of ubuntu on phones/tablets
[18:06] <popey> hmmm https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/date.html nothing has arrived since yesterday
[21:02] <Chipaca> gcollura: hey. yes, push is me. what's up?
[21:02] <Chipaca> dobey: yes, unless you've turned the volume for notifications off
[21:03] <dobey> Chipaca: uh, "volume for notifications" ?
[21:03] <Chipaca> dobey: yes
[21:03] <Chipaca> dobey: I do believe that has not been implemented yet, but we do set the right environ for it :)
[21:05] <dobey> are you experimenting with quantum computing? because i don't see how i could use a feature that's not yet implemented, unless you managed to break the continuum :)
[21:06] <dobey> although, in looking for that feature, apparently my phone had the silent mode feature implemented by Erwin Schroedinger, because it was apparently both enabled and not, at the same time
[21:09] <Chipaca> dobey: there ya go :)
[21:10] <Chipaca> dobey: silent mode is one way of setting the volume of notifications off :)
[21:10] <Chipaca> dobey: atm i think it's also the only way
[21:10] <Chipaca> gcollura: ping?
[21:10] <Chipaca> gcollura: i'm not working today, and only opened irc by accident, so i'm not going to stick around for long :)
[21:12] <dobey> Chipaca: right. but the indicator showed silent mode as off (and the call ringtone still played), but when i went into system-settings it was shown as on. :-/
[21:19] <Chipaca> dobey: the money is in finding how it got into that half-silent state :)
[21:20] <pmcgowan> there is a fix in flight for that, I think it landed in vivid?
[21:31] <dobey> Chipaca: probably when i went to the movies and i tried to put it in silent mode, but the switch in the indicator would immediately change back to the off position
[21:32] <Chipaca> speaking of movies, guardians of the galaxy is starting
[21:32] <Chipaca> buh bye :)
[21:51] <dobey> Chipaca: ironically, that is the very movie i went to see when i tried to enable silent mode. :P
[23:22] <UTL> Say, is there a way to test Ubuntu Touch from an SD card without wiping your device? I wanted to try the ovation image on my Nook HD+ again, but I don't want to lose my Cyanogenmod settings. I could back up the settings (via ADB or Clockworkmod Recovery), but I've had problems restoring them in the past.
[23:24] <UTL> Anybody available?
[23:26] <UTL> Hmmm, all out to lunch, eh? Well, I'll check back later.
[23:41] <UTL> Anybody available now?
[23:50] <UTL> Hello?