[01:35] <diddledan> -_-
[01:42] <daftykins> diddledan: sup sir?
[01:43]  * zmoylan-pi ponders trying to get a gang together to go and see 2001 in cinema...
[01:48] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: o rly, could be a fun jaunt if the audio is good quality
[01:48] <daftykins> and not that ricer cinema experience of BOOM BOOM is best
[01:49] <zmoylan-pi> cinema near me playing it is art house cinema and not chain turn volume to 11 megachain
[01:52] <daftykins> ah-har :D
[01:53]  * m0nkey_ tickles diddledan 
 Congratulations on your move to Guernsey!
[02:05] <diddledan> allo m0nkey_
[02:16] <m0nkey_> work gave me a laptop. locked down windows 7.
[02:16] <diddledan> ouch
[02:16] <m0nkey_> no choice but cygwin
[02:16] <diddledan> heh, nice bypass there
[02:17] <m0nkey_> at least i can have all my common tools, install X if I need it
[02:17] <zmoylan-pi> boot off usb or sd card?
[02:17] <m0nkey_> wouldn't be surprised if that's blocked
[02:18] <zmoylan-pi> probably but sometimes missed by less smart i.t. departments, sometimes deliberatly
[02:18] <m0nkey_> it's not bad form factor. some HP thing, 13"
[02:18] <m0nkey_> i5, 8GB RAM
[02:19] <m0nkey_> heh
[02:20] <m0nkey_> I had a 16GB sandisk fit, a tiny USB I could have plugged in all the time
[02:20] <m0nkey_> *have
[02:24] <daftykins> :D
[02:25] <zmoylan-pi> add a path to a bunch of noinstall apps on that and you're covered
[02:25] <m0nkey_> :)
[02:31] <m0nkey_> I'll probably get IT to install vmware or virtualbox or something.
[02:32] <m0nkey_> considering i'm going to be doing some python, perl, php coding for linux boxes, i need a test environment :)
[02:37] <daftykins> does it have an optical drive?
[02:37] <m0nkey_> nope
[02:37] <m0nkey_> it's a 13" notebook thing
[02:37] <daftykins> meh my 11" has one ;)
[02:37] <m0nkey_> This is it.. http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/products/laptops/product-detail.html?oid=5405376
[02:37] <diddledan> I've got a floppy
[02:37] <daftykins> diddledan: family friendly!
[02:38] <diddledan> :-p
[02:38] <m0nkey_> lol
[02:38] <m0nkey_> Was about to counter that what they call floppy disks in south africa.. lol
[02:38] <daftykins> O_O do tell?
[02:39] <diddledan> ask sabdfl
[02:39] <m0nkey_> stiffy disk
[02:39] <diddledan> :-p
[02:39] <diddledan> o_O
[02:39] <m0nkey_> look it up, tis true.
[02:40] <diddledan> is this because they never had anything larger than the 3.5inchers?
[02:40]  * m0nkey_ groans
[02:40] <daftykins> this is why we can't take him anywhere
[02:41] <m0nkey_> What the heck is a SE SSD?
[02:41] <daftykins> s...econd edition? :D
[02:41] <m0nkey_> Does that mean self encrypted?
[02:41] <diddledan> second edition
[02:41] <diddledan> :-p
[02:41] <m0nkey_> yeah, self encryption.
[02:41] <m0nkey_> thats what this thing has
[02:41] <m0nkey_> so yeah.. ssd is encrypted
[02:42] <daftykins> did you say windows 7 though?
[02:42] <diddledan> I don't get how that helps. it's only encrypted until you try to use it?
[02:42] <m0nkey_> yeah, win 7 enterprise
[02:42] <diddledan> where is the key stored?
[02:42] <m0nkey_> it's got a TPM
[02:42] <diddledan> hmm
[02:42] <m0nkey_> so in that, i guess
[02:42] <m0nkey_> i dunno
[02:42] <daftykins> i'd bet it has no CoA sticker on - but that it has a win8 key embedded in the EFI
[02:42] <m0nkey_> i didn't set this thing on it
[02:42] <m0nkey_> no COA
[02:43] <m0nkey_> heh, if it does, could come in useful :)
[02:43] <daftykins> if you're ever mad enough to use 8 D:
[02:43] <daftykins> i put the £25 upgrade on my windows 7 Asus, i hadn't seen BSODs in years
[02:43] <m0nkey_> got 8.1 on the gaming rig, seems perfectly usable.
[02:43] <daftykins> no idea why it doesn't agree with my Asus o0
[02:49] <m0nkey_> finally, i'll soon be able to use my phone to buy stuff.. http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/12/04/paypal-one-touch-rolling-out-to-canada-today/
[02:50] <daftykins> i'm not entirely... trusting of paypal
[02:51] <m0nkey_> I've not had any run ins with paypal
[02:51] <m0nkey_> even when i moved from UK to Canada, they were one of the few companies to allow me to change to a Canadian address without having to create a new account
[02:52] <daftykins> ah ok
[02:52] <m0nkey_> microsoft, when i tried to move my xbox live account. they wouldn't allow it.
[02:52] <daftykins> at the same time as changing your pass post-hack? ;)
[02:52] <m0nkey_> :)
[02:57] <diddledan> "It seems Schimmelpenninck, during a performance in Birmingham, England, was hit in the scrotum by a streamer cannon, rupturing one the bassist’s testicles onstage."
[02:58] <diddledan> sounds fun
[02:58] <diddledan> (ref: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/delain-ruptured-testicle/)
[02:58] <daftykins> i'll bet his penninck Schimmel'd
[06:24] <mapps> hi alll
[06:24] <daftykins> what-o, mapps i'm about to go!
[06:24] <daftykins> it's like a shift change
[06:26] <mapps> heh
[06:26] <mapps> just got home from work
[06:26] <mapps> watch rest of arrow then sleep time for me
[06:30] <daftykins> :>
[06:32] <mapps> what time do u get up daftykins  with your odd hours;p
[06:34] <daftykins> i don't even know
[06:34] <daftykins> i'm all over the shop, me
[06:35] <mapps> heh
[06:36] <daftykins> right gotta sleep
[06:36] <daftykins> laters \o
[08:10] <diplo> Morning all
[08:16] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:28] <diplo> Quiet in here a lot recently :)
[08:28] <MooDoo> yeah i've noticed that
[08:29] <popey> well...
[08:30] <diplo> Cheapest place to get spinning rust, I was hoping prices may have dropped a bit but they haven't and my drive is getting worse
[08:30] <diplo> And a question for you bods :)
[08:31] <diplo> With things like BTRFS or ZFS, is there a way of using different sized drives in any sort of array of drives ?
[08:31] <popey> btrfs can use differing sized disks, yes
[08:31] <popey> dunno about zfs, never used it
[08:32] <diplo> I did think I heard you say that
[08:32] <diplo> Did you ever blog about your setup popey ?
[08:32] <popey> yeah, google popey btrfs
[08:32] <popey> but my blog is down at the moment
[08:33] <diplo> Basically what I'd like to do as money is rather tight and it's Xmas that I buy 1 x 4tb drive and use an existing 2tb drive and add a few other drives as I get the money
[08:33] <diplo> ut oh, you broke it ?
[08:33] <diplo> Cached FTW :)
[08:35] <popey> ☻
[08:35] <popey> yeah, i have 12x2TB in mine
[08:35] <diplo> I do wish I had some more cash and just buy 3 x 4tb but I need a car more than hdd's
[08:35] <diplo> :)
[08:35] <popey> well you don't need to buy 3 right away, do you?
[08:36] <popey> you could buy one, and re-use the 2TB drive
[08:36] <diplo> Nope, that's why I want to add
[08:36] <popey> then add disks as the money is available
[08:36] <diplo> yeah I have a raid 0 ( dont ask me why I did that?!?!?! ) with 1 disk failing
[08:36] <popey> eek
[08:37] <popey> mine is currently doing a btrfs balance
[08:37] <diplo> I think I was expecting to buy a load of disks after my first play and then divorce etc happened and for the last 4 years it's been fine
[08:37] <popey> 1646 out of about 8648 chunks balanced (1647 considered),  81% left
[08:37] <popey> chug chug chug
[08:37] <popey> yeah, you don't need a load of disks really, just one ㋛
[08:37] <popey> that balance has been running for a few days, got maybe 2 more weeks to go
[08:38] <diplo> So should I go gren or red WD ?
[08:38] <diplo> green*
[08:38] <diplo> What does the balance do then ?
[08:38] <popey> shuffles the data about to spread it more evenly
[08:38] <popey> useful after you swap a disk out
[08:38] <popey> or add disks
[08:38] <diplo> ah right, sounds good
[08:43] <diplo> Seems I should go for the Reds, from what I've read the greens seem to fail more often
[08:43] <MooDoo> I'm after reds for my servers, £70 ish for 2TB
[08:44] <diplo> I was going for the 4tb as I have 2.4tb of data
[08:44] <MooDoo> I'm just getting up to 1tb so 2 is fine for me :D
[08:45] <diplo> I had 3.8tb - Just had a huge clean out ready for this
[08:45] <MooDoo> well that's in my nas, I just want reds for my webserver and virt server
[08:45] <diplo> http://www.amazon.co.uk/3-5-inch-Desktop-Drive-Frustration-Packaging/dp/B00I8O6SBK/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1417768121&sr=8-10&keywords=4tb+internal+hard+drive
[08:45] <MooDoo> i've got HA for my ubuntu servers, but want reliable drives.
[08:45] <diplo> Anyone know annywhere cheaper before I hit the button
[08:46] <MooDoo> can't say i do
[08:46] <ali1234> scan?
[08:46] <diplo> ah forgot about them!
[08:47] <diplo> Cheaper by a penny :D
[08:47] <ali1234> no, 10p
[08:48] <MooDoo> I'll wait till I get any christmas money, i'm in no rush as it means a total server reinstall any way
[08:50] <diplo> Ordered
[08:50] <diplo> ta
[08:51] <MooDoo> :D
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Soil Day! :-D
[09:19] <MooDoo> morning james
[10:18] <JamesTait> MooDoo, are you still running a Minecraft server?
[10:23] <MooDoo> yeah mate
[10:23] <MooDoo> JamesTait: it's just a vanilla server minecraft.paulmellors.net
[10:23] <MooDoo> just checking it's up lol
[10:24] <MooDoo> yeah it is
[10:24] <JamesTait> MooDoo, do you have capacity for a couple more players? My boys are getting fed up with "haxx" on avicus and mineplex and keep getting banned when they comment on flying characters and one-hit kills. :-P
[10:25] <MooDoo> JamesTait: it's just a vanilla server so no mods or anything but they are welcome to use it when ever....let me know their usernames and i'll op them
[10:26] <JamesTait> I'll let them know, thanks. :)
[10:26] <MooDoo> no probs :D
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: did I miss your greeting?
[10:28] <JamesTait> I don't know, davmor2, did you? :-P
[10:29] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[10:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: how am ya chap
[10:31] <JamesTait> Happy World Soil Day, davmor2. :)
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: ah so you got online before me for a change \o/ :)  /me digs a hole plants a plant in the hole and throws the excess soil in JamesTait 's direction
[10:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm good thanks :D
[10:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> bright and sunny morning so it's a trap obviously.....
[10:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: you started building lego's yet?
[10:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning
[10:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: you haven't been following my tweets I see
[10:45] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[10:46] <bigcalm> davmor2: Snowspeeder and AT-AT are done. Will save the Super Star Destroyer for xmas time
[10:46] <bigcalm> Or maybe next weekend
[10:47] <brobostigon> moring boys and girls.
[10:49] <bigcalm> Today I shall mostly be listening to the 44 albums from my various Humble Bundle purchases. Starting with the Awesomenauts OST as it's AWESOME!
[10:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: nicec at-at was it fun to build do the legs move as expected etc
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: today I will mostly be listening to The Lord of the Rings bbc radio play
[10:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: the legs do move as expected. Which is why I always thought the design was very impractical
[10:57] <davmor2> hahaha
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> i was tempted to get the star wars lego at-at and add the robotics kit just to have it wandering at random around the home.  and if anyone asked why, just respond that it was looking for the rebel base :-)
[11:00] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: my question then would be what happens when it finds it?
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> then the fireworks begin as they try to take out the generators
[11:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/540823429474422784
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahahaha
[11:22] <MooDoo> darn this superhub
[11:22] <bigcalm> MooDoo: are you running it in modem only mode?
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> oops http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/sony/11274727/Sony-saved-thousands-of-passwords-in-a-folder-named-Password.html
[11:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: no not yet.....i'm remote accessing my vps at home, but my main webserver isn't accessible....strange
[11:23] <MooDoo> and i can't get onto the super hub, keeps timing out :(
[11:23] <bigcalm> MooDoo: the super hub is very reliable when running in modem only mode and hooked up to a router of your own choosing
[11:24] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah people keep telling me that, I'll do that when I get home tonight, just a pain when it doesn't work and causes me issues.
[11:29] <popey> yeah
[11:29] <popey> So, virgin media.... ☻
[11:29] <popey> My mum phoned them up to get caller ID turned on
[11:29] <popey> She said she also wanted to review her package
[11:30] <popey> They upsold her a tivo, downgraded her internet and she's paying 10 quid more
[11:30] <popey> undoing her "mates rates" deal she had which I setup
[11:30] <popey> I have complained and hopefully we'll get it reinstated
[11:30] <MooDoo> didn't you phone them up the other day?
[11:30] <bigcalm> popey: argh :(
[11:30] <popey> yes
[11:30] <popey> phoned them twice
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> he's still on hold from the other day :-P
[11:31] <popey> heh
[11:31] <popey> they also lied about her recorded content still being available on the new box
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> they'll say anything to get out the door
[11:34] <Myrtti> meh.
[11:34] <MooDoo> I can connect to my kvm host at home, my desktop, but not my main webserver or superhub, god daaaamn raaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:34] <brobostigon> even if they have to break the law doing so.
[11:34] <Myrtti> I hate my arduino a bit
[11:35] <brobostigon> which one have you got?
[11:35] <Myrtti> I've got two floras, one Pro Trinket for which I develop using an Uno
[11:35] <brobostigon> i have, two duemilenove and one due.
[11:36] <brobostigon> ah, cool.
[11:37] <awilkins> I have one that I strap to my head ( Micro )
[11:37] <awilkins> As part of an EDTracker
[11:37] <Myrtti> I'm doing my bouquet
[11:38] <awilkins> And one that's part of a prototyping kit I got from an Arduino course
[11:48] <foobarry> getting java apps to run is such a beast
[11:48] <foobarry> always with teh "blocked by java" issues
[11:55] <foobarry> even adding to the site exception list still gets blocked :(
[11:59] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to kill a dhcp licence in open-wrt, or possible from a machine so that it gets a new lease?
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> what os is the client machine?
[12:01] <bigcalm> Ubuntu
[12:01] <popey> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.VIBaW4v4iik
[12:01] <bigcalm> It's a vagrant vm that's using the wrong IP address on my LAN
[12:01] <bigcalm> popey: This plug-in is not supported
[12:02] <intrbiz> bigcalm: does the vagrant vm have a static MAC address?
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> sudo dhclient -r according to http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-renew-dhcp-client-ip-address/
[12:03] <bigcalm> intrbiz: it does
[12:03] <bigcalm> Which I don't want to change
[12:04] <intrbiz> you should be able to add a static lease on the DHCP server
[12:04] <bigcalm> I don't want to do that either :)
[12:04] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: DHCP will ask to use the same address
[12:05] <intrbiz> you can remvoe the state file on the client, usually in /var/lib/dhcpcd or /var/lib/dhclient
[12:05] <popey> excellent, stream broke
[12:05] <bigcalm> popey: and the stream breaks :(
[12:05] <intrbiz> bigcalm: why don't you want to add a static lease on the open-wrt box?
[12:06] <popey> ffs
[12:06] <popey> skips forward to launched
[12:06] <bigcalm> intrbiz: because then I'd end up doing so for all of my vagrant machines, which I don't need to
[12:06] <intrbiz> ok
[12:06] <bigcalm> Once the lease expires in 11+ hours and I bring the VM up again, it should get the correct IP address
[12:07] <bigcalm> I wanted to know if I speed things along
[12:07] <intrbiz> does your open-wrt support registering client DNS updates?
[12:07] <bigcalm> I wouldn't know :)
[12:08] <intrbiz> ok
[12:08]  * popey hugs openwrt
[12:08] <intrbiz> out of interest, does vagrant have a way to configure a VM with a static address?
[12:09] <bigcalm> Yes
[12:09] <bigcalm> For the private network at least
[12:09] <bigcalm> But I shouldn't have to for the public network (my LAN)
[12:10] <bigcalm> I've shut down the vagrant machines but the leases remain on the router. Need to work out how to remove those leases
[12:12]  * bigcalm ssh's in and does some damage
[12:13] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you can edit the lease file on the DHCP server, you need to stop DHCPD first and be careful to get it correct
[12:14] <bigcalm> Yay, worked it out
[12:14] <bigcalm> ssh'd to the router. removed the 2 offending leases from /var/dhcp.leases
[12:14] <bigcalm> Refreshed the web interface and they are no longer visible
[12:15] <bigcalm> Lets see if the VMs get the expected IPs now
[12:17] <intrbiz> did you reload dhcpd?
[12:18] <bigcalm> Nope, that's why it didn't work :)
[12:18] <intrbiz> you need to stop it, edit the file, start it
[12:18] <intrbiz> you also need to remove the file on the client and the client will probably try to get it's previous address again
[12:18] <bigcalm> Yeah, trick will be finding the script for start/stop on the router
[12:19] <bigcalm> Ah, okay
[12:20] <bigcalm> Well this is taking longer than expected. I'll put up with the wrong IP address for today. It'll have sorted it self out by Monday
[12:20] <intrbiz> :)
[12:33] <popey> https://twitter.com/Trumpton_UKIP fun
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> brilliant!
[12:37] <bigcalm> Amusing :)
[12:40] <bigcalm> ARGH at having to logout and back in to add my user to a new group
[12:40] <bigcalm> Why is this still a thing?
[12:41] <awilkins> When it all gets baked into systemd it will no longer be a thing because it will all support update events!
[12:41] <awilkins> BOW DOWN BEFORE systemd!
[12:41]  * awilkins stops trolling
[12:41]  * zmoylan-pi resumes sharpening pitchfork
[12:42] <awilkins> Glad they forked Debian, TBH
[12:43] <awilkins> Not sure I'm bothered to a degree that will stop me using a Debian derivative
[12:43] <MooDoo> I don't know what the bloomin problem is sheesh
[12:43] <awilkins> But their concerns make sense
[12:43] <MooDoo> to be honest if it runs apache or mysql or what ever i need, then i don't care about the init system
[12:44] <awilkins> I think that's part of the concern, TBH
[12:45] <awilkins> The justification for systemd makes no sense in the face of the majority of us who don't care about the "advantages" it claims to offer
[12:45] <awilkins> Don't give a rat's ass about boot speed
[12:45] <awilkins> Boot speed is *already* stupid fast
[12:45] <awilkins> Why overturn all the tables in the dining room for a few extra seconds of productivity a day
[12:46] <popey> thats a very narrow view
[12:46] <popey> its not just desktop which has boot speed as a factor
[12:46] <popey> massive scale out deployments benefit from fast boot
[12:51] <awilkins> Servers : will spend longer initializing their RAID card than booting, very often (in my experience)
[12:51] <awilkins> I can see it for phones and other small devices that you want to work NOW
[12:51] <awilkins> But the solution for those that's already being used is pretty good
[12:52] <popey> uh, not VMs in the cloud
[12:52] <awilkins> Is it necessary to amalgamate all the things that systemd does, to gain the fast boot (genuine question)?
[12:52] <popey> you're the one fixated on boot speed
[12:52] <awilkins> Well, boot speed is the most common justification for it I hear
[12:52] <popey> that's not really the main thing systemd is billed as 'fixing' as I understand it
[12:53] <popey> i only ever hear that from users, not developers
[12:53] <awilkins> I would be interested to hear what is, from another perspectie
[12:54]  * awilkins looks at a table here : http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
[12:58] <awilkins> See, the table looks awesome
[12:58] <awilkins> Lots of green squares
[12:58] <awilkins> But it doesn't explain why having those responsibilities as part of your init system is a good thing
[12:59] <bigcalm> Looks like the pizza express logo
[13:01] <awilkins> I mean, take one : XDG_RUNTIME_DIR - why does the init system need to manage that?
[13:01] <bigcalm> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuOpxOrA_0&feature=youtu.be
[13:02] <popey> why would it not need to?
[13:03] <popey> surely if you're responsible for starting applications/processes, it makes sense that you should setup the environment correctly
[13:03] <popey> setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR seems to be the right thing to do there
[13:03] <awilkins> Well, it says sysvinit and Upstart don't do it
[13:03] <popey> which they maybe should
[13:03] <awilkins> So what's the knarly hack that lets Ubuntu manage to set it?
[13:03] <awilkins> And why is it bad?
[13:04] <popey> looks like its set elsewhere, mountall/pam kinda area
[13:05] <popey> yeah, mountall seems to set it
[13:05] <awilkins> That  seems a reasonable place to do it too
[13:05] <popey> not to me
[13:05] <popey> hey ho
[13:05] <awilkins> IF mountall is doing the file system mounting..   it's for user stuff - why isn't login doing it
[13:05] <bigcalm> I just wanted to grumble about user's groups. Didn't mean for this, sorry
[13:06] <awilkins> Don't be sorry, this is interestign
[13:06] <awilkins> Most informative discussion of systemd I've seen ; all the ones on Slashdot devolve into "IT'S NOT UNIXY!!!"
[13:07] <awilkins> And concern about the control of Red Hat over the thing
[13:07] <popey> yeah, they don't get anywhere
[13:07] <awilkins> And how they think Leonard Poettering is an <expletive deleted>
[13:08] <shauno> I'm kinda looking foward to systemd.  it looks like it's finally catching up with launchd
[13:09] <popey> I guess I am just not that bothered by it
[13:09] <awilkins> People who had their nose put out of joint over Pulseaudio when clearly desktop Linux needed to be able to do simple little things like play audio from two apps at once like Windows had done for years
[13:09] <awilkins> I found Pulseaudio frustrating but it's clearly the way things should go
[13:09] <awilkins> Now it just works very nicely for me most of the time
[13:09] <popey> I mean, it means extra work for us
[13:09] <popey> so thats a bummer, as those people can't work on other things
[13:10] <awilkins> What I've read today at least reassures me a bit ; it's copyright-assignment free
[13:11] <awilkins> Which means they can never change the license and lock it up
[13:11] <awilkins> Unlike, (no offence) Upstart
[13:26] <foobarry> i am sympathetic to the greybeards cause
[13:27] <foobarry> but they annoy me in their manner of moaning
[13:36] <ali1234> i have to agree awilkins
[13:37] <ali1234> systemd advocacy is largely based around the idea of redefining what systemd is in order to win any argument
[13:38] <ali1234> so if someone says systemd is too heavy, it's just an init
[13:38] <ali1234> if someone says we already have inits, then systemd includes a load of other functionality
[13:41] <ali1234> systemd will likely cause a large amount of problems when it is released in ubuntu
[13:42] <ali1234> but give it a couple of years and it will probably be okay, like pulseaudio is now
[13:56] <intrbiz> I've been using systemd for a bout three years, the main difference is just using a different command
[13:57] <intrbiz> the journal is interesting too, forward sealing and tamperproof
[14:03] <Myrtti> ahhahhahahhahhahahha <Mad Scientist laughter />
[14:04] <ali1234> forward sealing is nice
[14:04] <ali1234> attackers still have a half hour windoww in which to modify logs
[14:05] <ali1234> you can configure that, but really any window is enough for an automated attack
[14:05] <ali1234> still handy for detecting accidental corruption though
[14:06] <ali1234> the thing is systemd has lots of nice features, but so did pulseaudio
[14:07] <ali1234> i'm worried that if anything goes wrong we're going to get the same excuses as last time, eg "ubuntu shouldn't have shipped pulseaudio because it wasn't ready"
[14:08] <ali1234> on the other hand, systemd can't be undermined by rubbish drivers the same way that PA could by ALSA
[14:40] <directhex> https://steamdb.info/app/8870/history/
[14:42] <bigcalm> Ooo
[14:42] <bigcalm> What's the incentive to port to linux for a game that's been out for year+?
[14:43] <directhex> launch day sales for steambox
[14:43] <bigcalm> Ah, yes
[14:43] <mapps> gah so cold when i get up
[14:43] <mapps> marble flooring makes everywhere cold!
[14:43] <directhex> :'(
[14:43] <directhex> and all those stupid cold solid gold taps!
[14:44] <directhex> and the cold frame of the four poster!
[14:44] <mapps> the suns out but it seems cold
[14:44] <mapps>  should i go to estapona.malaga and granada or a flight to switzerland
[14:45] <bigcalm> It's got to that point in the day when anybody who walks up the stairs gets blinded by the setting sun
[14:52] <mapps> hmm
[15:03] <bigcalm> Not a fan of the style of game that Dungeon Defenders is, but I'm enjoying the OST
[15:03] <bigcalm> A good reason to buy stuff via Humble Bundle is getting the music included
[15:22] <MooDoo> ooo off to ikea this weekend to buy a server rack :D
[15:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: is there one for torchlight?
[15:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: yep
[15:29] <bigcalm> It's in my account's library
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: please let me know what you think to that one :)
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: when you eventually get to it :)
[15:30] <ali1234> i seem to recall torchlight not having much of a soundtrack
[15:32] <directhex> MooDoo: a £10 LACK table?
[15:33] <Myrtti> I got my Arduino project to work on breadboard
[15:34] <Myrtti> whee
[15:34] <ali1234> what does it do?
[15:35] <Myrtti> blinks different colours on RGB LED's depending on which button (combinations) is pushed
[15:35] <bigcalm> Ooo, shiny
[15:37] <MooDoo> directhex: yeah lol
[15:37] <MooDoo> just been looking at them now :D
[16:02] <intrbiz> i have a few LackRacks here
[16:04] <bigcalm> A what now?
[16:06] <daftykins> sounds like racks that are lacking a thing or two :>
[16:06] <daftykins> or perhaps pushed around by lackeys?
[16:06] <diddledan> Myrtti, that's blinking flashy!
[16:56] <intrbiz> bigcalm: Lack is a side table from Ikea where the legs at 19" apart, perfect for mounting switches
[16:57] <ali1234> what about rear support though?
[16:57] <bigcalm> Oh, those things
[17:00] <intrbiz> switches aren't heavy enough for it to be an issue
[17:00] <intrbiz> to be precise: https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlLzdoa3BzbS5qcGcUBBYAEgA&s=mDPxJlh5VtxG4fp87tzR1Y6jQCrleh8HHRcVnOtwzo4
[17:01] <intrbiz> (whisky is optional)
[17:03] <bigcalm> We lost track of our King's Ginger during the house move. I've been grumpy about that for some time now
[17:03] <bigcalm> If I order a new couple of bottles, I know we'll find our stock
[17:06] <shauno> am I the only one getting a whole retro vibe off this Orion flight?  it feels like they're re-learning stuff they had down pat 50 years ago
[17:07] <popey> they kinda are a bit
[17:07] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you always find things in the last place you look
[17:07] <daftykins> perhaps it's a case of poor documentation!
[17:08] <popey> haha
[17:08] <popey> or the documentation is in WordStar format!
[17:09] <bigcalm> intrbiz: because I'll stop looking at that point. I need a warming shot now
[17:09] <bigcalm> Bit early for that or mulled ginger wine though
[17:12] <popey> Our kids have their school disco tonight
[17:12] <popey> They are somewhat excited
[17:15] <intrbiz> its never too early for a drinky
[17:16] <intrbiz> did you see someone built a simulator for Apollo guidance computer, which could load the transcribe Apollo programs
[17:20] <diddledan> intrbiz, does it simulate the master alarm problems, too?
[17:20] <intrbiz> not sure
[17:21] <intrbiz> so many people get that quote wrong
[17:21] <intrbiz> there are also the transcript of the Apollo missions online - http://apollo13.spacelog.org/02:07:55:35/#log-line-201335
[18:01] <diddledan> I think it's about time to go home
[18:01] <daftykins> yes!
[18:02] <daftykins> crikey it's cold
[18:02] <daftykins> my old mans coming over tonight with some perspex to put up against my lovely 17th century single glazing
[18:02] <daftykins> this should hopefully improve matters :D
[18:02] <diddledan> ooh
[18:03] <diddledan> gotta love perpex
[18:03] <diddledan> +s
[18:03] <daftykins> £230 for just a few windows worth though :(
[18:03] <daftykins> 5mm thick stuff
[18:03] <diddledan> grr @ price
[18:04] <intrbiz> I prefer polymethyl methacrylate
[18:04] <diddledan> bless you
[18:04] <intrbiz> :)
[18:04] <daftykins> intrbiz the meth addict there
[18:04] <daftykins> ;)
[18:07] <mapps> good day so far
[18:07] <mapps> made some yens on the racing
[18:07] <mapps> :D
[18:07] <diddledan> mapps, you're incorrigible
[18:08] <mapps> whats that mean
[18:08] <mapps> ahj
[18:08] <mapps> google told me
[18:09]  * popey ponders what to have for tea
[18:09] <popey> probably curry
[18:09] <brobostigon> :)
[18:10] <mapps> im gonna have a mixed grill later i think
[18:10] <mapps> got 3-4hr gap so il just leave the office and get some food:D
[18:10] <diddledan> popey, good plan
[18:11] <diddledan> I wonder what I shall have... who am I kidding, it's obviously gonna be pizza
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> curry tea... so hot then? ;-)
[18:11] <diddledan> hot hot hot
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> iif you brains don't melt out your ears you get your money back
[18:19] <mapps> useless
[18:19] <mapps> aquagib bill says i can pay online
[18:19] <mapps> but i cANT SEE any possible way ti pay on the website
[18:20] <mapps> tweeted them and got no response! gah
[18:20] <mapps> Dont wanna have to walk somewhere to pay a stupid bill
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> tweeting customer service on a friday afternoon...
[19:33] <diddledan> and home
[22:10] <diddledan> where did everyone go?
[22:15] <shauno> well, it's friday night.  so, minecraft
[22:15] <diddledan> meh
[22:15] <diddledan> I'm messing with compilations
[22:15] <diddledan> as in gcc, not mp3
[22:18] <daftykins> aww yeah got the perspex in \o/
[22:18] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sl5ciwboeh6fjho/AAAAg_CR1HjXaTECU0g8d4CVa?dl=0
[22:19] <daftykins> though my old man's approach to rushing at jobs so he can get home leaves a lot to be desired :P
[22:19] <daftykins> drilled perspex mess everywhere!
[22:19] <diddledan> you put perspex in front of the TV?
[22:19] <diddledan> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sl5ciwboeh6fjho/AAAAg_CR1HjXaTECU0g8d4CVa?dl=0#lh:null-IMG_20141205_200847.jpg
[22:19] <daftykins> no, behind
[22:20] <daftykins> atop the glass and window frames
[22:21] <daftykins> my TV always looks so big when moved, but tiny when back in that window sill :(