[00:52] velho: the "actual" risk is.. its *not* ubuntu anymore [00:53] velho: they are not our sources, and we (ubuntu/ubuntustudio) cant say they are stable or not [00:53] velho: now, i *do* know, and trust falk, as i said before.. falk is the kxstudio developer [04:14] holstein, I wish to have the best of both UbuntuStudio and KXStudio worlds. If I see any incompatibilities, I'm willing to resolve them. Solving problems = learning :) [04:14] velho: you will be running kxstudio [04:14] which is fine [04:15] holstein, I'm still running UbuntuStudio. I didn't add the kxstudio desktop (yet), just the apps+plugins repos [04:16] velho: if you added the repos, then, thats what you are using.. *not* ubuntustudio [04:16] velho: which again, is fine.. but, its *not* ubuntustudio anymore.. they are not the ubuntustudio applications anymore [04:17] It seems to me that the kxstudio has more programs and plugins, but after updade, upgrade, and distro-upgrade everything, I didn't see ardour3. I found it very strange... thought if would be a default to US and KXS [04:17] velho: it is [04:18] falk packages and maintains an ardour3, and ubuntustudio has been shipping with it since it was released [04:18] holstein, it was not on my system. had to install it alone [04:18] velho: its on mine, [04:19] velho: it ships with ubuntustudio [04:19] holstein, I thought so! that's why I found it so strange... [04:19] velho: sure.. but, its not so strangs [04:19] strange* [04:20] velho: you "play around" with the system, a lot.. which is fine, but, you can remove things and change things and not realize what is happening in the background [04:20] holstein, I'm a danger to myselt in Linux, lol :D [04:22] still learning how its supposed to work. want to understand the core system, specially for audio [04:22] well, it ships as its supposed to work.. but, you are welcome and encourages to change it as you please [04:23] i always install ardour from the ardour site directly, anyways.. i pay for the prebuilt binary rigth from paul [04:24] holstein, are there aditional ardour packages in synaptic? [04:24] velho: check and see.. ardour2 should still be there [04:24] there is just ardour.. [04:24] I only installed ardour3. Any problems if I install ardour allong ardour3? [04:25] velho: i have them both installed.. you should be careful with your sessions.. [04:25] holstein, by "carefull" you mean: separate project folders for different ardour versions, I guess? [04:26] why guess? [04:26] i can only tell you what i do.. which is, what i read to do at the ardour site.. [04:26] holstein, gonna check the site ;) [04:26] a2 (which is ardour2) sessions open in a3 (ardour3).. but, you get a new session name [04:27] so, what do i do? i copy.. and i maintain different copies [04:27] though, i dont use ardour3 anyways.. [04:27] i just keep it for testing.. i personally use the commercial product mixbus, which is based on ardour2, and the sessions are ardour2 sessions [04:28] i am equally careful with those sessions. i always make a backup, using the 3 2 1 rule, for missions critical data [04:29] i'll track, then, i'll *immediately* make a copy onto a drive or 2 and let someone else have a copy at a different location, if its that important [04:29] if its something im paid to make sure happens, i make sure it happens.. [04:30] im actually quite experiemental as well.. but, i have backups, and test as much as i can before doing anything in production [04:30] when i ran the kxstudio ppa's on my system regularly, i ran 2 machines.. i would update one, and test *everything* before updating my production machine [04:31] now, i go with more of an AVlinux "appliance" approach, and just dont update my production rig, and dont have it online anyway [04:31] holstein, inteligent stratergy ;) [04:32] holstein, why don't you use ardour3, except for testing? is it buggy? [04:32] velho: no [04:32] velho: i dont need anything it provides, so i dont use it [04:32] velho: im not interested in doing midi with it.. and i like/understand/am-comfortable-with ardour2, so why upgrade? [04:33] when i need something ardour3 provides, or, when mixbus is based on ardour3, and i move on to it, then, i'll use it [04:33] otherwise, im used to a2.. [04:35] when i read "new version released", these days, i'll ask "do i need/want a new version?" and "whats my upgrade path?" and "how long to train myself to use the new stuff?" [04:45] holstein, well, I hope not to take too long to start making music in linux [14:53] Hello [14:54] quick question about dns... how can i force the resolver to use my /etc/resolv.conf and not overwrite it? [14:54] i'm having problems with some hosts on my network if it just contains "nameserver 127.0.0.1" === guest-0L90le is now known as rustyraptor [15:06] I just installed some programs for cuda. Mainly named "libcuda" [15:06] and xorg crashed. [15:07] it seems like it uninstalled a lot of other packages too. [15:07] I am able to get onto the guest account from recovery mode but I can't fix anything because it doesn't let me sudo or anything. [15:07] what do? === guest-vM67FX is now known as rustyraptor [15:46] problem solved: moved the file (symlink), made a new copy of it, and did chattr +i on it [15:49] btw holstein: i found what was causing that problem with qjackctl [15:50] .... there's a "notification area" and an "indicator plugin" - it depends on which one the icon appears, which on my desktop machine is always the indicator plugin, and on my laptop, the notification area [15:50] for some reason. === gary is now known as Guest75348 === balu is now known as Guest57279 [20:26] im very close but still cant get any sound from any linux distro using ardour... [20:27] presently using ubuntu studio [20:28] didnt think that coming from windows 7 cakewalk to linux would be soooo dificult [20:29] studio_: sure [20:29] studio_: you are promised, explicitly, support for windows 7 and cakewalk [20:29] the creators of your hardware dont promise you the same support for linux [20:30] what i suggest is, unplug any audio interfaces, and learn to use jack on the internal audio device [20:30] what should be my first steps to get midifiles running in ardour? [20:30] *dont* start with ardour.. close it as well.. and start with something like audacious set to the jack driver [20:30] studio_: or, yoshimi [20:30] ok [20:30] studio_: hear literally *anything* on *any* device.. step one [20:31] simlify the applications and devices as needed.. [20:31] so ok [20:32] i can gear sounds fine when using hydrogen [20:32] studio_: sure.. but, over JACK? [20:33] not sure ill check brb [20:38] i cant see in hydrogen where the sounndfad is coming from but i can hear it from the laptop speakers by de [20:38] sure.. so, what i suggest is, unplug any extra audio devices.. usb or firewire.. stop *everything*, and make sure jack isnt running [20:39] ok [20:39] lauch *only* qjackctl or jack control.. set up jack with the default device.. see that jack starts when clicking the start button and runs with no errors [20:39] *then* only after jack is running.. start yoshimi [20:40] you can go back to qjackctl connect and see that the audio is routed properly [20:40] starting jackctl [20:40] then, you can go to yoshimi and use the keyboard in the menu, the virtual keyboard, to generate sounds [20:42] qjackctl started with no errors [20:42] studio_: no [20:42] studio_: qjackctl is the GUI to start jack with [20:42] studio_: qjackctl would launch without errors.. you would the use that tool to configure JACK and press the start button, which would attempt to start JACK [20:43] is that what you mean? [20:43] i have started qjackctl as you suggested [20:44] studio_: ok.. *so*.. following the steps above.. *please* in setup, select the default audio device.. and start jack [20:44] ok [20:45] !proaudio [20:45] For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro [20:46] starting jack produces a drumbeat.1...2....3....4....etc [20:49] jack started [20:49] studio_: ok. so looking above where i mentioned steps, you *then* can open yoshimi [20:50] studio_: in qjackctl, you'll see "connect".. there, you can connect then things that show up in JACK [20:50] ill try brb [20:50] studio_: in "connect", you connect yoshimi to your audio device.. in the "audio" tab [20:51] *then*, you go to yoshimi, and open, as i stated above, the virtual keyboard from the menu.. you can then click notes on it, and see that you are hearing them [20:51] you shouldnt hear a drumbeat when starting jack, since, nothing else should be on, or open. because i asked you to close everything [20:52] you should literally have qjackctl open.. and now be opening yoshimi [20:52] *nothing* else [20:54] ok yoshima open [20:55] clicked on connect and have connected left and right to yoshma [20:55] *great*.. thats how you connect *everything* [20:55] gotit ok ta [20:56] if you hear yoshimi, then, JACK is working properly.. [20:56] do you? [20:57] not sure how to produce notes with yoshima [20:57] studio_: as i stated, in the menu you will see "virtual keyboard" [20:57] studio_: you click on the menu item to launch it.. then, when you click on the virtual keybaord, you hear yoshimi.. [20:57] gotit [20:57] *if* things are working [20:58] shows playing but cant hear anything [20:58] studio_: so, you *dont* have jack working properly, then [20:58] it seems so [20:58] studio_: there is *no* reason to go opening ardour, or *anything* else [20:58] studio_: you stay *right* there, til you hear something [20:59] ok [20:59] studio_: open a terminal, and run "alsamixer" see that nothing is muted, and eveything is up to some level [20:59] ok [20:59] studio_: check *all* mute buttons and hardware switches [21:02] cannot see if anything is muted...doest look as if it is [21:02] all meters say 100 [21:02] studio_: in "connect", see that you are connecting properly [21:02] one meter says mm [21:03] studio_: you cant trust *any* labels [21:03] studio_: so, just tweak *all* of those settings [21:04] ill have a good fiddle [21:04] thats step one [21:09] gotit yoshima playing...coulnt hear the lower register notes [21:09] studio_: ok.. so, now you know [21:09] studio_: thats how you route things.. [21:09] gotit [21:09] thanks a lot [21:12] to play midi do i connect midi capture to midi playback? [22:25] what is the command line for pulseaudio manager (volume control)? [22:25] trying to set up samson c01u mic for audacity [22:29] nvm, got it [22:29] thanks [22:29] pavucontrol? or paman? padevchooser? Depends on what you want to do. [22:30] alsamixer got it done. [22:30] Heh, that's a handy one. [22:30] oh yes [22:30] :) [22:30] http://vxlabs.com/2013/04/24/samson-c01u-usb-condenser-microphone-on-ubuntu-12-04/