[03:31] <darla> hi  to all
[04:00] <the-erm> I'm having problems with my screen going black and never coming back.  In particular if I close the laptop lid.  Sometimes I'll leave the computer for over an hour and it goes black.  When I come back only the TV connected to my HDMI will work.  Any ideas?  I've played around with the power manager a lot.  Even switched to xscreensaver.
[04:00] <the-erm> I wanted my music to play while the screen was locked ...
[04:01] <holstein> the-erm: if it were my machine, i would just disable the locking, and dont use suspend.. and look for a bug report, and a fix around the net..
[04:01] <the-erm> Even pressing ctrl+alt+F1 will not bring up the terminal on the laptop screen.
[04:01] <holstein> you can try proprietary drivers, if there are any..
[04:01] <holstein> the-erm: also, i had one like that, and looking at it in the light showed that the LCD backlight was off.. but, the screen had information on it.. which helped me find a "Fix"
[04:02] <the-erm> I should try the light thing.
[04:02] <the-erm> Perhaps the backlight isn't turning back on.
[04:02] <holstein> and, no proprietary drivers?
[04:02] <holstein> has it always been like that? has it worked with *any* linux kernel? or distro?
[04:03] <the-erm> I don't think I'm using proprietary drivers.
[04:03] <holstein> the-erm: check that there are none for you to try and use
[04:03] <the-erm> I didn't turn them on at least ... doesn't look like there is away to detect that any more in 14.04
[04:04] <holstein> the-erm: i use the terminal to determine what graphics hardare i have, then, the wiki/web to see what is available
[04:04] <holstein> !ati
[04:04] <the-erm> There it is additional drivers ...
[04:04] <the-erm> It didn't have an icon ... od.
[04:06] <kortsen> Can I get some help with a USB thumb drive? How do I get it to mount at boot-up?
[04:06] <holstein> kortsen: at boot up?
[04:06] <holstein> !fstab
[04:06] <holstein> though, i wouldnt do it that way, unless its going to *always* be connected
[04:07] <kortsen> fstab for a thumb drive?
[04:07] <kortsen> yews it will always be connected
[04:07] <holstein> kortsen: if you want it present at boot, add it in fstab
[04:07] <kortsen> Thanks.
[04:10] <the-erm> I guess I should reboot to see if this thing works.
[04:18] <kortsen> holstein? thanks. One more question. If I am using a 64gb thumb drive as a 'poor man's SSD' what would be a good file system? It's currently FAT32.
[04:19] <holstein> depends
[04:19] <holstein> i like to use ext, if im only on linux..
[04:20] <kortsen> Movies for XBMC. Large files, write once. read occasionallly
[04:20] <holstein> so, fat32 has a file size limit
[04:20] <holstein> as i said, if im on linux only, i prefer ext
[04:21] <kortsen> EXT4?
[04:21] <holstein> if you need to go between windows and linux, fat32 may be easier, if you are not faced with the file size limit
[04:21] <holstein> kortsen: that *also* depends.. if i need what etc4 provides, i'll use it. .otherwise, i might just to with ext2, or what i feel fits my specific need best
[05:45] <jarnos> Why does firefox read hundreds of MBs from disk after startup?
[06:00] <nomic> cache? jarnos
[06:03] <jarnos> nomic, I think so.
[06:04] <jarnos> nomic, Cached Web Content set up in Advanced > Network preferences
[08:50] <sennn> hello super xfce
[09:43] <louigi> Hey guys! When I try to uninstall some of the software that came with Xubuntu, it says that it will then uninstall a lot of the dependencies. Which seems to make it impossible to uninstall some software. For instance, I cannot uninstall Parole, which I do not use
[09:43] <louigi> Is there any way around it? And why uninstalling a video player means uninstalling half if xfce?
[09:43] <louigi> if=of
[09:43] <baizon> louigi: well i did uninstall parole
[09:44] <Unit193> How is that?  How did you install?  I don't have a lot of the Xubuntu defaults.
[09:44] <baizon> post on paste.ubuntu.com which dependencies
[09:44] <louigi> Ok, gimme a moment here
[09:46] <louigi> Hm. You know what. Tried this through Synaptic - uninstalling absolutely fine. I am sorry! I do remember that problem, but I am not able to reproduce it now!
[09:47] <baizon> no problem
[12:59] <etwarrior> Has anyone figured out a solution to the black screen in macbook sometimes after sleep mode (or shutting the laptop?)
[13:00] <cfhowlett> !mac | etwarrior, probably better to ask mac forums
[13:00] <AgAu> or better yet get a pc :P
[13:22] <ted123> on my lenovo thinkpad ctrl+two finger scrool zooms my entire screen in/out. does anyone know how to disable this?
[13:24] <brainwash> ted123: disabling the compositor is one way to deactivate this feature
[13:24] <ted123> brainwash: elegant :D
[13:25] <brainwash> the other one would be to hack the source code of the window manager
[13:26] <brainwash> yeah, it should be made configurable at some point
[13:26] <brainwash> I'm not even sure if a bug report already exists
[13:26] <ted123> brainwash: well thank you. yes it can be really annoying for some laptop users
[13:27] <brainwash> feel free to file a report on https://bugzilla.xfce.org/ :)
[13:28] <ted123> brainwash: i will :D brb it didnt work lets see if restart helps
[13:28] <ted123> wow fast restart wowow
[13:29] <ted123> oops it still happends in firefox, is it app specific perhaps?
[13:30] <brainwash> yes
[13:30] <brainwash> it only zooms the website content
[13:31] <brainwash> oh, the general screen zoom is triggered via alt + scroll
[13:32] <brainwash> the compositor is not to blame for ctrl + scroll
[13:32] <ted123> brainwash: yeah i noticed, ofc alt/ctrl is used almost simultaneously in firefox so i didnt notice
[13:33] <ted123> alt+scroll is now dead, yes :)
[13:33] <ted123> lets kill ctrl too
[13:33] <brainwash> that's firefox specific, maybe some hidden setting lets you disable it
[13:34] <ted123> mousewheel.with_control.action in about:config
[13:34] <ted123> did it, yippi!
[13:34] <brainwash> it's possible, that other apps adopted ctrl + scroll also
[15:34] <etwarrior> Is there a way to uninstall default games installed (minesweeper and sukdoku?)
[15:35] <deshipu> yes, just uninstall them
[15:36] <etwarrior> I tried in terminal... let me try synaptic
[15:37] <etwarrior> Maybe I did get rid of them..?
[15:38] <etwarrior> I guess I did already?
[15:38] <etwarrior> Haha, nevermind then.
[15:38] <etwarrior> Is there a way to check to see how much free space is left?
[15:38] <etwarrior> on my machine?
[15:41] <GridCube> etwarrior: on a terminal run df -h
[15:41] <etwarrior> Thanks.
[15:41] <GridCube> i think h uses base 10 and h uses base 2
[15:41] <GridCube> i mean H
[15:43] <etwarrior> How do you reply to people on IRC like you just did?
[15:43] <GridCube> type their nick in the chat
[15:45] <etwarrior> GridCube: Is that all?
[15:46] <GridCube> etwarrior: yep
[15:46] <GridCube> if you want to chat with someone in private you can ask them first and if they are available you can "/msg nick message" them
[15:46] <GridCube> but its polite to ask first
[15:47] <GridCube> you can use nick auto completion by typing the first letters of a nick and pressing tab
[15:51] <etwarrior> GridCube: Can I test it on you?
[15:51] <GridCube> sure
[16:30] <jamesXFCE2> so, any wifi gurus on?
[16:35] <GridCube> !ask | jamesXFCE2
[16:39] <jamesXFCE2> rodger, Ok linux toshiba sat pro p75-a200 running Xubuntu 14.04lts. Wifi connectivity issue, home network and most perfect, work one initially wont log on until later in the day, password correct, next to nil on the router person wise, then it decides that it going to connect and does, have tried the options 11n disable etc.  not a major issue but trying to see if anyone has experience with this issue.
[16:49] <jamesXFCE2> !patience
[16:58] <holstein> !wifi | jamesXFCE2
[17:10] <holstein> jamesXFCE2: do you have a broadcom chip?
[17:12] <jamesXFCE2> in not sure, i know it is the Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230
[17:12] <jamesXFCE2> I'm*
[17:13] <holstein> jamesXFCE2: you can open a terminal, and run "lspci" and share the output here, or share just the line describing the wifi
[17:13] <holstein> !paste
[17:15] <jamesXFCE2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9384761/
[17:30] <holstein> jamesXFCE2: 01:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 (rev c4)
[17:31] <holstein> thats your device.. is it working in windows properly? is it working similarly on *any* wifi hotspot?
[17:33] <jamesXFCE2> it worked in windows, and most places it does fine, its here that is the issue, though the hardware here is the same firmware and version that i have at home. it connects to other wifis around me but with this one it has issues logging in until random point in the day
[19:19]  * XeBlackWater is away: I'm busy
[19:21] <knome> XeBlackWater, please don't use public away messages or nicks.
[20:21] <alphis> ok guys i just installed xubuntu 14.04 and can't change my wallpaper
[20:21] <alphis> can anyone explain how something like this makes it to a stable release
[20:21] <holstein> alphis: sure
[20:21] <holstein> alphis: i, first, wouldnt assume that its an issue with the release.. are you certain you are installed? and rebooted into the installation?
[20:24] <alphis> oh you want to go thru the "is it turned on" questions
[20:24] <alphis> fine
[20:24] <alphis> yes
[20:24] <alphis> next silly question?
[20:24] <alphis> apparently this is a known issue
[20:25] <flux242> have you clicked on the picture of the wallpaper?
[20:25] <holstein> alphis: this is volunteer support, friend.. do you mind if i ask some follow up questions? it can help the volunteers better assist you..
[20:25] <alphis> right click  - desktop settings - folder - every jpg/png image is GREY
[20:25] <alphis> this is a release issue
[20:26] <holstein> alphis: sure, and i understand that you see it as that.. its just that i cannot reproduce that issue here
[20:26] <holstein> !bug | alphis
[20:26] <alphis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2214534&page=2
[20:26] <alphis> http://software.techassistbox.com/xubuntu-unable-to-change-desktop-wallpaperbackground-in-1404_2541483.html
[20:26] <holstein> alphis: sure.. but, i *can* change it here..
[20:26] <alphis> irrelevant
[20:26] <alphis> doesn't work in prod
[20:27] <holstein> alphis: works here, in production
[20:27] <alphis> i can change my wallpaper on my not xubuntu machines just fine
[20:27] <holstein> alphis: anyways.. my first thought woud be permissions
[20:27] <alphis> tried that
[20:27] <holstein> alphis: tried what?
[20:27] <alphis> the default images are root root but readable to all
[20:27] <alphis> my jpg, which was a wallpaper in OLD xubuntu, is set my user
[20:27] <alphis> readable to all as well
[20:28] <flux242> post a screenshot  of everything gray
[20:28] <alphis> here let me make it more clear: -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 40929 Dec  5 13:02 img1.jpg
[20:28] <alphis> sure
[20:28] <holstein> alphis: did you upgrade? or do you have a shared /home? with other configs?
[20:29] <holstein> alphis: would you mind creating a new user? and trying with that new user?
[20:30] <alphis> http://i.imgur.com/luBReC8.png
[20:30] <alphis> i would have used gimp to point nice FAIL red lines
[20:30] <alphis> but i dont have that much time on my hands
[20:30] <alphis> this is a fresh xubuntu install
[20:31] <alphis> from iso LTS 14.04
[20:31] <alphis> i created only regular user during the wizard setup
[20:31] <alphis> no encryption
[20:31] <alphis> nothing special
[20:31] <alphis> my usual setup for a simple system
[20:31] <holstein> alphis: so, you will not create a new user? then?
[20:31] <rosaecaeruleae> i forgot, how do I fix broken packages=
[20:31] <alphis> id rather not
[20:31] <rosaecaeruleae> ?
[20:32] <alphis> if something else breaks should i make new users? i'd rather just fix this
[20:32] <holstein> alphis: ok.. let me know if you'd like to. thats my next troubleshooting step to isolate the users config files..
[20:32] <alphis> im sure its a wizard problem
[20:32] <Unit193> rosaecaeruleae: What type?  There's generally either  sudo apt-get install -f  or  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:32] <holstein> alphis: sure. but, we dont know what is "broken"..
[20:32] <alphis> whats the gconf command to set wallpaper
[20:32] <alphis> as long as we know something is broken thats a first step
[20:32] <rosaecaeruleae> Unit193, nvida drivers
[20:32] <holstein> alphis: sure.. and we actually dont know that
[20:33] <alphis> sure sure
[20:33] <alphis> well im sure the other people with this issue on forums would appreciate that
[20:33] <alphis> anyway i just used a commandline tool to set my wallpaper
[20:33] <alphis> the issue is obviously the wizard
[20:33] <holstein> alphis: cool.. enjoy!
[20:33] <alphis> so you guys might want to fix that
[20:33] <alphis> its probably something during install/setup
[20:33] <holstein> alphis: the GUI tool is working here, are you up to date with upgrades?
[20:33] <alphis> not here and yes
[20:34] <alphis> all default
[20:34] <alphis> nothing customized
[20:34] <alphis> like i said this is as basic as u can get
[20:34] <alphis> and its failing
[20:34] <holstein> alphis: and, are you up to date with the upgrades for the OS?
[20:34] <alphis> doesn't matter you cannot repro
[20:34] <alphis> i advise you to build a new machine and install fresh and see
[20:34] <rosaecaeruleae> so to repair a broken package what the command does is remove the package, so I can freshly install it again
[20:34] <alphis> holstei< alphis> not here and yes
[20:34] <rosaecaeruleae> ?
[20:34] <alphis> the yes was for upgrade holstein
[20:35] <alphis> its all updated as of right now
[20:35] <holstein> alphis: i suggest starting a bug report.. getting someone to reproduce it will be key
[20:35] <alphis> anyway check it out thx
[20:37] <rosaecaeruleae> i cannot remove the nvidia package because my laptop is using it. I cannot install any other nvidia package, a previous version, and I dont know why
[20:37] <rosaecaeruleae> the plan was to use an older nvidia driver, remove the faluty, broken package, reinstall it again
[21:30] <rosaecaeruleae> i still dont know what to do about my problem, nvidia drivers as broken package
[21:31] <rosaecaeruleae> none of the commands Unit193 pasted solved it
[21:56] <eka> hi... is there something like gnome-do for xfce?
[21:58] <ochosi> eka: appfinder is a bit like it and whisker-menu too
[21:58] <eka> ochosi: which one is preferred?
[21:59] <ochosi> whiskermenu sits in the panel like the application menu
[21:59] <ochosi> appfinder opens a separate/new window
[21:59] <ochosi> whatever you prefer
[21:59] <eka> ochosi: appfinder works with shortcut key?
[21:59] <eka> will look at it :D
[22:00] <ochosi> both do
[22:02] <eka> ochosi: and synapse?
[22:02] <ochosi> well you can always just use gnome-do as well
[22:02] <ochosi> it really doesn't matter that it carries "gnome" in its name
[22:10] <eka> ochosi: thanks
[22:17] <ochosi> eka: np
[22:20] <xangua> there is also synapse, or lighter: kupfer