[01:31] <LinuxGold> what is the best alternative to audacity?
[01:35] <LinuxGold> I'm trying to set up a good laptop for my son who plays piano -- a real piano, not electronic stuff
[01:36] <LinuxGold> trying to find a very good software running on Ubuntu
[01:39] <LinuxGold> He is currently using console piano
[01:43] <Unit193> Well, for one, what's wrong with Audacity?  There's also Ardour and others, could search the repo for whatever exactly you need, or checkout a site such as http://alternativeto.net/software/audacity/?platform=linux
[02:06] <LinuxGold> trying to find the best.  if audacity is the best software to use, then fine, so be it :)
[14:43] <studio_> i seem to have yoshima working ...now how can i play a midifile and hear and edit it?
[15:19] <Drabuntu> hallo ich spreche Deutsch.
[16:55] <studio_> still trying to get sound from ardour
[16:55] <holstein> studio_: it'll be *just* like getting sound from yoshimi
[16:56] <holstein> the issue is, you are diving into midi
[16:56] <holstein> studio_: what do i suggest? take things in steps.. and slowly
[16:56] <studio_> thats what i thought but it doesnt work
[16:56] <holstein> studio_: open yoshimi, as i described before, and make certain audio is working
[16:56] <holstein> studio_: then, open ardour, import a *known* good audio track, and route that
[16:56] <studio_> its ok for wav files but not for midi
[16:56] <holstein> *then* move on to midi
[16:57] <holstein> studio_: so, you are having more specific issue with ardour then, not "you cant get audio from ardour"
[16:57] <holstein> studio_: there is, in qjackctl, in "connect", a midi tab as well
[16:57] <holstein> studio_: you can do advanced midi routing there..
[16:57] <studio_> its specific to getting midi sound yes
[16:57] <holstein> but, i suggest *not* starting with ardour for midi
[16:58] <holstein> studio_: this is the way it would work
[16:58] <studio_> ive already got it going in muse
[16:58] <studio_> and qtractor
[16:58] <holstein> studio_: open something like yoshimi, or a midi soune player.. route the audio.. then, create a midi track in ardour, and route the midi
[16:58] <holstein> studio_: its the *same* in ardour, its just not automatically connecting
[16:59] <studio_> ok ill try again
[17:00] <holstein> you can try #opensourcemusicians and/or #ardour
[17:00] <holstein> studio_: the ardour manual will be quite helpful as well
[17:01] <holstein> studio_: you can also use *any* of those other applicaions for your midi with ardour for your audio
[17:01] <holstein> studio_: you can use qtractor *instead* of ardour, or, with ardour
[17:02] <Drabuntu> richt jemand deutsch?
[17:03] <Drabuntu> Spricht jemand deutsch?
[17:03] <holstein> !de
[17:06] <Drabuntu> Also meine Frage für die Deutschen: Hallo, wie kann ich die Ubuntustudio CD/DVD von HDD aus so steuern das eine Installation nicht möglich ist?
[17:07] <studio_> will i have to make all these seperate connections EVERYTime i need to work with sound in linux
[17:08] <holstein> !de | Drabuntu
[17:08] <holstein> !restricted | Drabuntu
[17:08] <holstein> studio_: there are connection managers.. there are *many* ways to do it
[17:09] <Drabuntu> Ich dachte eher an Kickstarterdateien oder was ähnliches!!
[17:09] <holstein> Drabuntu: please try the german channel
[17:12] <studio_> seems so time consuming compared to windows....
[17:13] <studio_> it suggests that linux sound needs a complete rethink from the ground up
[17:14] <holstein> studio_: *all* the software you are used to, and want, from windows.. can be made for linux
[17:14] <holstein> studio_: invite them to make it for you.. but, they may not
[17:14] <holstein> studio_: the positive thing about the linux work flow is, *all* the items *can* be connected..
[17:15] <holstein> no one is benefiting commercially from locking anything down
[17:15] <holstein> studio_: from the ground up, its just that simple
[17:15] <holstein> jack, is open.. *anyone* can write for jack.. when they do, you can connect the items
[17:16] <holstein> if i want to, for example, stream my insrument to the internet, while running through software effects, while tracking wet and dry tracks to ardour, while in sync, live, with a drum machine, or prerecorded track from *any* other appplication, while mixing in something from a hardware midi module, i can do that
[17:17] <holstein> no doubt, that can be done in windows/OSX, but, you must, as you mention, starta from the ground up, and purchase with that integration in mind
[17:17] <holstein> studio_: no doubt, this takes an investment.. an investment of time.. and, there is no company that provides you support for your hardware
[17:18] <holstein> i feel that i spend a signifigant amount of time re-learning audio production when i moved to linux.. like, realistically, 8 months or more
[17:18] <holstein> was it worth it? to me, yes.. you only know if that is worth it to you
[17:19] <studio_> do you need to use these systems for you livelyhood
[17:19] <holstein> linux is, realistically, not "good" or "better".. its just different.. and it either fits your needs or not.. i personally prefer it.. and, its avialable for *anyone*
[17:19] <holstein> studio_: are you asking if i use linux professionally?
[17:20] <studio_> yes
[17:20] <holstein> i use linux exclusively
[17:20] <holstein> but, there was a learning curve
[17:20] <studio_> as part of you everyday job...ie music production
[17:20] <holstein> studio_: as i said, friend.. i use it *exclusively*
[17:20] <holstein> job.. personal.. *everywhere*
[17:21] <holstein> windows doesnt work for my needs/wants anymore.. i feel just as you do now when i try and use windows or osx
[17:21] <studio_> do you need your lixux sound system to earn a living
[17:21] <holstein> that doesnt mean they are "bad" or dont work
[17:22] <holstein> studio_: i *only* use linux, friend
[17:22] <holstein> studio_: in my audio production, i use linux.. i use *nothing* else
[17:22] <holstein> studio_: if you are asking if i make money from that, i do
[17:22] <studio_> what do u produce
[17:23] <holstein> studio_: its not my only source of income.. i mostly play music for a living
[17:23] <holstein> studio_: but, i do whatever im hired for
[17:23] <studio_> as i do
[17:23] <holstein> http://www.freejazzblog.org/2014/07/shane-perlowin-jacob-wick-objet.html for example
[17:23] <holstein> something i mixed but didnt track http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork1
[17:24] <holstein> my personal projects http://holsteinmusic.com/
[17:24] <holstein> demo stuff http://byronhedgepeth.mikeholstein.info/
[17:24] <holstein> etc..
[17:27] <holstein> linux audio is *all* open, and if someone wanted to "rework it" from the ground up, they are welcome to
[17:27] <holstein> studio_: i do not do much midi production.. and this channel is mostly empty
[17:27] <holstein> studio_: i suggested, and still suggest asking in #opensourcemusicians
[17:28] <holstein> ffrom there, you will meet users who do what yo are trying to do
[17:28] <studio_> ok thanks
[17:29] <holstein> think about how long you used windows before doing any audio production.. and how slowly you crept into the work flow
[17:30] <holstein> you are re-learning a lot all at once
[17:32] <studio_> yes i think so ...thanks for your help
[17:33] <holstein> what i did was, i actualy stopped my migration
[17:33] <holstein> i then loaded linux *only* on a laptop,a nd used that daily.. trying to solve any issues i ran into
[17:33] <holstein> copying data on usb sticks.. ripping audio from cd's.. whatever i needed to do, i tried to do it *only* in linux
[17:34] <holstein> i did that for a year or more.. *then*, when it came to migrating the studio, i wasnt learning the OS as well
[17:34] <holstein> for example, if i gave you an OSX machine and protools, you would be having similar "growing pains"
[17:35] <studio_> thats what i have done over the last year....but as i have stared teaching guitar again i now need to get going with my backing tracks and other thing ...i am running out of time
[17:36] <holstein> no doubt, that is considered the industry standard, and if you paid the 3 grand investment that takes, you'd make *sure* you learned it
[17:36] <holstein> studio_: "Time" is what it takes
[17:36] <studio_> yes i see
[17:36] <holstein> i mean, you can make it happen.. but, its up to  you
[17:37] <holstein> there is no "linux" or "ubuntustudio" making sure you are happy with the product you bought.. just you and me, and the rest of the community
[17:39] <studio_> im more than happy with the general linux such as the web browsing updating and everything its just the sound side thats so time consuming and problematic
[17:40] <holstein> i suggest finding someone doing *exactly* what you are doing
[17:41] <studio_> yes i will ok thanks
[17:41] <holstein> that channel i suggested a few time, #opensourcemusicians , really helped me find that person
[17:41] <holstein> this channel is mostly quiet
[17:42] <studio_> ok i check it out
[17:42] <holstein> you cant join this channel and expect an answer quickly
[17:42] <studio_> ok
[18:48] <Ivan1022> hey all
[18:49] <holstein> o/
[18:49] <Ivan1022> anyone know how to unpack the tracktion demo songs?
[18:49] <Ivan1022> they're in like a .trkarch file extension
[18:49] <holstein> unpack? is it a tar?
[18:49] <Ivan1022> no
[18:49] <holstein> Ivan1022: where are you getting what from?
[18:50] <Ivan1022> they are tracktion demo song downloads from www.tracktion.com
[18:50] <holstein> Ivan1022: how do they say you are to use them?
[18:50] <Ivan1022> tracktion is a DAW
[18:50] <Ivan1022> it's prob some sort of .zip format that only windoes can extract
[18:50] <Ivan1022> *window
[18:51] <holstein> Ivan1022: its not zip,correct?
[18:51] <holstein> you can right click on a zip
[18:51] <holstein> i think we are assuming many things here.. what did you get?
[18:51] <Ivan1022> I tried opening it with archive manager and get an error
[18:51] <holstein> and where from? http://www.tracktion.com/downloads
[18:52] <Ivan1022> you know what... I wonder if I can drag it to the program and if it will extract it that way
[18:52] <holstein> Ivan1022: probably not "extract" it at all
[18:52] <holstein> its probably a session file, for the DAW
[18:52] <holstein> i would just try opening the file in the DAW
[18:53] <Ivan1022> that did it... Ic an't believe I didnt think of it until now....
[18:53] <Ivan1022> thanks
[21:41] <deak> 10 things to do b4 udie
[21:42] <deak> Understand jackd
[21:44] <holstein> i learned a lot by experiementing with the settings in a live enviroment
[21:45] <holstein> at that time, i used the 64studio live cd, which didnt have an installer.. it was a different time
[21:45] <deak> Yea just have to play with it
[21:45] <holstein> but, for me, and i think for most, the freedome to be able to configure *everything* with the ease of reverting is key
[21:46] <deak> Your talking to studio_ holstein ive swaped nicknames
[21:47] <deak> Im getting there slowly
[21:52] <deak> Just some tweaking of the midi settings and im home and dry