[01:31] what is the best alternative to audacity? [01:35] I'm trying to set up a good laptop for my son who plays piano -- a real piano, not electronic stuff [01:36] trying to find a very good software running on Ubuntu [01:39] He is currently using console piano [01:43] Well, for one, what's wrong with Audacity? There's also Ardour and others, could search the repo for whatever exactly you need, or checkout a site such as http://alternativeto.net/software/audacity/?platform=linux [02:06] trying to find the best. if audacity is the best software to use, then fine, so be it :) [14:43] i seem to have yoshima working ...now how can i play a midifile and hear and edit it? [15:19] hallo ich spreche Deutsch. [16:55] still trying to get sound from ardour [16:55] studio_: it'll be *just* like getting sound from yoshimi [16:56] the issue is, you are diving into midi [16:56] studio_: what do i suggest? take things in steps.. and slowly [16:56] thats what i thought but it doesnt work [16:56] studio_: open yoshimi, as i described before, and make certain audio is working [16:56] studio_: then, open ardour, import a *known* good audio track, and route that [16:56] its ok for wav files but not for midi [16:56] *then* move on to midi [16:57] studio_: so, you are having more specific issue with ardour then, not "you cant get audio from ardour" [16:57] studio_: there is, in qjackctl, in "connect", a midi tab as well [16:57] studio_: you can do advanced midi routing there.. [16:57] its specific to getting midi sound yes [16:57] but, i suggest *not* starting with ardour for midi [16:58] studio_: this is the way it would work [16:58] ive already got it going in muse [16:58] and qtractor [16:58] studio_: open something like yoshimi, or a midi soune player.. route the audio.. then, create a midi track in ardour, and route the midi [16:58] studio_: its the *same* in ardour, its just not automatically connecting [16:59] ok ill try again [17:00] you can try #opensourcemusicians and/or #ardour [17:00] studio_: the ardour manual will be quite helpful as well [17:01] studio_: you can also use *any* of those other applicaions for your midi with ardour for your audio [17:01] studio_: you can use qtractor *instead* of ardour, or, with ardour [17:02] richt jemand deutsch? [17:03] Spricht jemand deutsch? [17:03] !de [17:03] In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [17:06] Also meine Frage für die Deutschen: Hallo, wie kann ich die Ubuntustudio CD/DVD von HDD aus so steuern das eine Installation nicht möglich ist? [17:07] will i have to make all these seperate connections EVERYTime i need to work with sound in linux [17:08] !de | Drabuntu [17:08] Drabuntu: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [17:08] !restricted | Drabuntu [17:08] Drabuntu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/media.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [17:08] studio_: there are connection managers.. there are *many* ways to do it [17:09] Ich dachte eher an Kickstarterdateien oder was ähnliches!! [17:09] Drabuntu: please try the german channel [17:12] seems so time consuming compared to windows.... [17:13] it suggests that linux sound needs a complete rethink from the ground up [17:14] studio_: *all* the software you are used to, and want, from windows.. can be made for linux [17:14] studio_: invite them to make it for you.. but, they may not [17:14] studio_: the positive thing about the linux work flow is, *all* the items *can* be connected.. [17:15] no one is benefiting commercially from locking anything down [17:15] studio_: from the ground up, its just that simple [17:15] jack, is open.. *anyone* can write for jack.. when they do, you can connect the items [17:16] if i want to, for example, stream my insrument to the internet, while running through software effects, while tracking wet and dry tracks to ardour, while in sync, live, with a drum machine, or prerecorded track from *any* other appplication, while mixing in something from a hardware midi module, i can do that [17:17] no doubt, that can be done in windows/OSX, but, you must, as you mention, starta from the ground up, and purchase with that integration in mind [17:17] studio_: no doubt, this takes an investment.. an investment of time.. and, there is no company that provides you support for your hardware [17:18] i feel that i spend a signifigant amount of time re-learning audio production when i moved to linux.. like, realistically, 8 months or more [17:18] was it worth it? to me, yes.. you only know if that is worth it to you [17:19] do you need to use these systems for you livelyhood [17:19] linux is, realistically, not "good" or "better".. its just different.. and it either fits your needs or not.. i personally prefer it.. and, its avialable for *anyone* [17:19] studio_: are you asking if i use linux professionally? [17:20] yes [17:20] i use linux exclusively [17:20] but, there was a learning curve [17:20] as part of you everyday job...ie music production [17:20] studio_: as i said, friend.. i use it *exclusively* [17:20] job.. personal.. *everywhere* [17:21] windows doesnt work for my needs/wants anymore.. i feel just as you do now when i try and use windows or osx [17:21] do you need your lixux sound system to earn a living [17:21] that doesnt mean they are "bad" or dont work [17:22] studio_: i *only* use linux, friend [17:22] studio_: in my audio production, i use linux.. i use *nothing* else [17:22] studio_: if you are asking if i make money from that, i do [17:22] what do u produce [17:23] studio_: its not my only source of income.. i mostly play music for a living [17:23] studio_: but, i do whatever im hired for [17:23] as i do [17:23] http://www.freejazzblog.org/2014/07/shane-perlowin-jacob-wick-objet.html for example [17:23] something i mixed but didnt track http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork1 [17:24] my personal projects http://holsteinmusic.com/ [17:24] demo stuff http://byronhedgepeth.mikeholstein.info/ [17:24] etc.. [17:27] linux audio is *all* open, and if someone wanted to "rework it" from the ground up, they are welcome to [17:27] studio_: i do not do much midi production.. and this channel is mostly empty [17:27] studio_: i suggested, and still suggest asking in #opensourcemusicians [17:28] ffrom there, you will meet users who do what yo are trying to do [17:28] ok thanks [17:29] think about how long you used windows before doing any audio production.. and how slowly you crept into the work flow [17:30] you are re-learning a lot all at once [17:32] yes i think so ...thanks for your help [17:33] what i did was, i actualy stopped my migration [17:33] i then loaded linux *only* on a laptop,a nd used that daily.. trying to solve any issues i ran into [17:33] copying data on usb sticks.. ripping audio from cd's.. whatever i needed to do, i tried to do it *only* in linux [17:34] i did that for a year or more.. *then*, when it came to migrating the studio, i wasnt learning the OS as well [17:34] for example, if i gave you an OSX machine and protools, you would be having similar "growing pains" [17:35] thats what i have done over the last year....but as i have stared teaching guitar again i now need to get going with my backing tracks and other thing ...i am running out of time [17:36] no doubt, that is considered the industry standard, and if you paid the 3 grand investment that takes, you'd make *sure* you learned it [17:36] studio_: "Time" is what it takes [17:36] yes i see [17:36] i mean, you can make it happen.. but, its up to you [17:37] there is no "linux" or "ubuntustudio" making sure you are happy with the product you bought.. just you and me, and the rest of the community [17:39] im more than happy with the general linux such as the web browsing updating and everything its just the sound side thats so time consuming and problematic [17:40] i suggest finding someone doing *exactly* what you are doing [17:41] yes i will ok thanks [17:41] that channel i suggested a few time, #opensourcemusicians , really helped me find that person [17:41] this channel is mostly quiet [17:42] ok i check it out [17:42] you cant join this channel and expect an answer quickly [17:42] ok [18:48] hey all [18:49] o/ [18:49] anyone know how to unpack the tracktion demo songs? [18:49] they're in like a .trkarch file extension [18:49] unpack? is it a tar? [18:49] no [18:49] Ivan1022: where are you getting what from? [18:50] they are tracktion demo song downloads from www.tracktion.com [18:50] Ivan1022: how do they say you are to use them? [18:50] tracktion is a DAW [18:50] it's prob some sort of .zip format that only windoes can extract [18:50] *window [18:51] Ivan1022: its not zip,correct? [18:51] you can right click on a zip [18:51] i think we are assuming many things here.. what did you get? [18:51] I tried opening it with archive manager and get an error [18:51] and where from? http://www.tracktion.com/downloads [18:52] you know what... I wonder if I can drag it to the program and if it will extract it that way [18:52] Ivan1022: probably not "extract" it at all [18:52] its probably a session file, for the DAW [18:52] i would just try opening the file in the DAW [18:53] that did it... Ic an't believe I didnt think of it until now.... [18:53] thanks [21:41] 10 things to do b4 udie [21:42] Understand jackd [21:44] i learned a lot by experiementing with the settings in a live enviroment [21:45] at that time, i used the 64studio live cd, which didnt have an installer.. it was a different time [21:45] Yea just have to play with it [21:45] but, for me, and i think for most, the freedome to be able to configure *everything* with the ease of reverting is key [21:46] Your talking to studio_ holstein ive swaped nicknames [21:47] Im getting there slowly [21:52] Just some tweaking of the midi settings and im home and dry