[14:26] <brainwash> Noskcaj: bug 1308533 is fixed in utopic/vidid, right?
[14:26] <ubottu> bug 1308533 in exo (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Non-english live-cd: some programs are in English although their name is in Non-english, and vice-versa" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308533
[14:43] <brainwash> bluesabre: parole > xdg-screensaver resume > xset s default  causes bug 1363540
[14:43] <ubottu> bug 1363540 in parole (Ubuntu) "Parole resets screen timeout to 600 on exit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363540
[14:50] <elfy> ochosi: ^^ and therein lies my mysterious screensaver keeps setting to 10 minutes \o/ 
[15:12] <brainwash> elfy: can you confirm this part? "Also, it does not matter whether the option to prevent the screen saver is on or off in parole preferences."
[15:13] <elfy> yep
[15:14] <brainwash> ok, so we got two bugs, one in parole and one in xdg-screensaver
[15:15] <elfy> actually there's a bug in xfpm as well
[15:17] <elfy> parole sets to 600s - open pm, still set to never (here) you have to change time to foo - close pm, open pm to reset to Never (here) for it to actually set
[15:22] <brainwash> so pm does not read the current timeout value
[15:23] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now
[15:33] <elfy> I guess not
[15:34] <elfy> anyway - all that aside - I'm just glad I know what was causing it :)
[15:46] <jjfrv8> ochosi, can you take another look at the powerman docs? I've updated the screenshots and filled in the Plugin section.
[15:48] <jjfrv8> I really wanted to get a shot of an external device showing in the indicator dropdown but so far I've been unable to find any that show up.
[17:54] <ochosi> elfy, brainwash thanks for unriddling that! should be fixable (e.g. by using xfce4-powerman instead of xdg-screensaver where available)
[17:55] <elfy> ochosi: I was very pleased to see that bug - I thought I was going nuts :p
[17:55] <ochosi> yeah, i can relate :)
[17:56] <ochosi> jjfrv8: thanks a bunch, i'll check them out!
[17:57] <elfy> ochosi: tomorrow at the meeting - I've got a forum council one at the same time in -meeting (which will be short) then one in another channel with the same people, but I'll try and keep up with in here - might take pings to get me though
[17:57] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[17:58] <ochosi> sorry, i wasn't aware of the forum council meeting, otherwise i'd have chosen a different hour
[17:58] <elfy> that's ok :)
[17:59] <ochosi> jjfrv8: cool, screenshots look great so far, guess only the devices are missing and then we can soon move this over to docs.xfce.org
[19:17] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yeah
[19:18] <Noskcaj> You can check by looking at the .deb size differences
[20:17] <brainwash> Noskcaj: ok, I'll mark it as fixed
[20:28] <brainwash> ochosi: fixing xdg-screensaver would be the right approach, it's just strange that no one else has noticed this issue yet (or reported it)
[20:28] <ochosi> brainwash: not sure it is, tbh
[20:28] <ochosi> it's a script, so it can't easily restore the settings
[20:28] <ochosi> unless it saves them somewhere already
[20:29] <brainwash> but is has to be fixed anyway, because other players depend on it too
[20:29] <ochosi> can't remember, it's been too long that i looked at this crappy script
[20:29] <brainwash> you can store values in a tmp file
[20:29] <ochosi> yeah, i guess others do that too
[20:29] <ochosi> well frankly the last time i tried to fix it upstream, i just ended up getting not so helpful replies
[20:30] <ochosi> so feel free to give it a stab yourself
[20:32] <brainwash> the bug in the parole code needs to be fixed too
[20:33] <brainwash> it seems to run xdg-screensaver regardless of the "prevent screensaver while playing stuff" setting
[20:33] <ochosi> possible, i haven't looked in a while
[20:33] <brainwash> fairly easy to fix, maybe I'll take a look
[20:33] <brainwash> where are the new people who want to contribute? :)
[20:35] <ochosi> yeah, where are they?
[20:40] <brainwash> ochosi: and regarding the file manager entry showing up twice in the whisker search page, how about highlighting entries from the settings category? something like "File Manager"  + " - Settings" -> "File Manager - Settings"
[20:40] <brainwash> maybe in italic
[20:41] <brainwash> would be a feature request for gottcode
[20:42] <brainwash> this way we won't need to rename or hide anything