[03:17] hey guys, so question. i have xubuntu on a dvd, i have 33 GB of space to put it on, but when i select install xubuntu, it says it cannot find the live medium or something\ [03:17] any tips? [03:44] Hello [03:48] I had some time to kill and was wondering if anybody would reccomend some applications to play with. Possibly some system add ons, say for the multiple desktops system, or anything really you would reccomend from the top of your head, thank you. [04:40] mall: for the multiple desktops system? [04:41] I found conky [04:41] and conky manager [04:41] :)~ [04:48] im a sucker for conky orange theme.. then, i cant stop tinkering with that.. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/conky_orange?content=137503 [04:49] thanks [05:07] How do I customize application search shortcut, default is alt+f3 ; I would like to change it [05:07] thanks [05:08] I've searched under window manager > keyboard; but I can't find or add application search :/ [05:09] mall: "Settings Manager → Keyboard → Applications Shortcuts". [05:09] *Application [05:11] Great, thank you :) [05:11] Welcome. [05:11] Do you know if it is possible to use the same combination to close the window ? [05:12] I mean, the same shortcut to open and close application search [05:12] Don't think so. [05:12] aww [05:13] And, one last question. Is it possible to customize the search window further than its settings ? [05:13] Depends if the application has a 'toggle' switch. [05:14] Unit193 , at the moment hitting application search shortcut twice, just opens a new app search window [05:14] ...everytime [05:14] I just made four of them [05:17] mall: What specifically do you mean, "customize"? [05:17] change the Ui [05:17] You could always use another launcher app too - I use Synapse personally. [05:18] yup.. +1 on kupfer/synapse.. [05:18] ah yes, I just tried apt-get install synapse and not found [05:18] mall: you'll find kupfer.. [05:18] !info kupfer [05:18] kupfer (source: kupfer): fast and lightweight desktop summoner/launcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0+v208-5 (utopic), package size 506 kB, installed size 2869 kB [05:18] synapse = kupfer ? [05:19] mall: nope.. but, its another one similar.. and its in the repos [05:19] !info synapse [05:19] Package synapse does not exist in utopic [05:19] oukei [05:20] mall: sure.. you can add the ppa for synapse if you want.. or, you can just try kupfer, and see if you like the idea of that type of launcher [05:20] thank you [05:21] mall: A PPA providing it would be this one, for example: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/test [05:22] I found https://launchpad.net/~synapse-core/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [05:22] !ppa [05:22] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [05:23] I am going to try synapse [05:23] thanks for the tips [05:26] synapse is great, yep [05:27] For that matter, you can just hit Esc to close it - that isn't listed in the Shortcuts of it. [05:27] app search or synaptic ?= [05:27] Synapse. :) [05:28] yes, but also with the same shortcut to open it which is what I wanted [05:28] but yes, thanks [05:28] Yes, indeed, works too. :D [05:46] On the default panel, there is an indicator zone, with power, volume, wireless and messages icons. If I try to go to panel prefs. and configure this indicator zone, I can check and uncheck boxes to i.e. hide elements, but they do not hide [05:47] Which means the configuration of that zone does not work? I see it says "external", in the panel add items window [05:47] mall: I believe you have to restart the panel for the changes there to take effect. [05:48] oh I see, but hmmm how do you restart a panel ? [05:49] googlein [05:49] I'd Alt+F2 and run "killall xfce4-panel && xfce4-panel". [05:49] I found: xfce4-panel -r & [05:49] and you were right [05:50] now it works :) [05:50] Oh nice, the occasional unexpected flag. :P [05:50] Good. :) [05:52] Hmm, I do not really like the work area selector [05:52] is there any known replacement ? [05:57] mall: What exactly are you looking for, then? [06:01] Well, I am not sure, but I thought maybe there is a known replacement of osrts [06:01] sorts [06:02] maybe I would prefer to only see the different work areas when I change between them [06:02] but I wouldn't like to install compiz or the like [06:05] mall: Well, you could just use keyboard shortcuts to switch, configurable where you were earlier. :) [06:07] I do that, but would like some info regarding which work area I am at, and the areas next to it [06:07] I may be thinking osx like... [06:08] that type of visual tip [06:08] Well, for me, the default one does just that. :P [06:08] right, it does it does, I just kind of not like it, ah well, l'll search [06:10] I think would be for it to only show when I change areas [06:12] Well, Xfce is about lightweight too, so no fancy Expo-style switching, I suppose - that's a window manager feature. :) [06:14] Like I said, for me, it suffices like that - if I wan't something extra fancy like that, I'd probably be using Unity or Gnome Shell. :P [06:14] *want [06:15] It is a netbook [06:15] lol [06:15] xubuntu works well [06:15] jeje [06:18] krytarik: And you could still use things like compton, skippy, xfdashboard, synapse( ;) ), and others to make it more flashy. [06:18] Yep, that too. :P [06:18] I *do* want to try out Comptom sometime though. :) [06:18] *Compton [06:19] Let me check :) thanks [06:19] Xubuntu ships with default config for it. [06:20] Yep, I know - that's what makes it easier for me. :) [06:20] Also, tried Xfdash earlier in a Live session - didn't work at all on my machine. :P [06:30] Unit193: And of course, that wasn't specifically directed at me - it kind of slipped in. :P [08:52] I just installed xubuntu 14.10 on my old macbook, and it doesn't boot reliably. it gets to "i8042 no controller found" and then doesn't get any further unless I hit the powerbutton and esc. it's really weird and I don't know what to do about it. [08:53] !mac | dsdklfjsif [08:53] dsdklfjsif: For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a Mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages [08:57] yeah, I've already read a bunch of docs and searched. I had elementary on here before and that worked fine, in the default configuration with grub as the bootloader and everything. [09:06] dsdklfjsif, pretty sure the "i" message refers to an OSX resource ... might want to ask #osx or #apple ... you can safely NOT mention "ubuntu" for best results [09:07] cfhowlett: I don't believe that's the case because it appears after grub has loaded and I've selected xubuntu. I also haven't had mac os on this machine in a couple of years :\ [09:08] dsdklfjsif, but you DO have mac hardware, yes? [09:09] yes. however people without mac hardware get the same error see https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/27555 [09:14] ah. sorry, I misinformed you. [11:59] hi [11:59] i still cannot remove the broken nvidia package [12:00] cannot install any other nvidia driver [12:00] now the graphics of my laptop are low res [12:01] rosaecaeruleae: how did you try to remove the driver? was there any error message? [12:02] brainwash, https://etherpad.mozilla.org/E5gOMawiMm [12:03] brainwash, I tried the here posted options: sudo something -f and lshw I believe... [12:03] rosaecaeruleae: you mean "sudo apt-get install -f"? [12:04] yes brainwash [12:04] this command tries to resolve dependency issue [12:04] issues [12:04] hello to all [12:05] anybody here using geary? [12:05] how can i update it in version 0.8.0? [12:06] get a PPA or compile john [12:07] bazhang: do you a PPA there? am not good at compiling :D [12:07] oh wait ill try google :) [12:08] bazhang: found it :D [12:09] bazhang: thanks for the idea [12:09] (y) [12:09] rosaecaeruleae: the linked terminal output mentions held/broken packages, but not any package names [12:09] brainwash, nvidia310 [12:09] rosaecaeruleae: which command generated this output? [12:10] not a command, I tried to remove it via synaptic [12:11] run "sudo apt-get remove nvidia*" in a terminal window [12:11] (after closing synaptic) [12:16] :D [12:16] brainwash, apparently the command works... [12:18] rosaecaeruleae: also, you may need to delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually after removing the nvidia packages [12:18] so the system will load the open source driver on the next boot [12:18] im autoremoving now... [12:19] brainwash, so simply locate that file in that directory and manually remove it [12:21] rosaecaeruleae: yes, or rename it in case you want to have a backup [12:24] and now reboot and install the nvidia packages from synaptic? [12:25] brainwash, ? [12:25] the same packages? [12:25] well, I just removed the broken nvidia packages, I still need new drives, dont I? [12:26] does the open source driver not fit your needs? [12:26] broken doesnt mean that the producerreleased a faulty version, but that something during installation in my machine went wrong, am I right? [12:26] eerrr, i dont know [12:26] mmh, I don't know, everything is possible [12:26] !nvidia [12:26] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [12:27] brainwash, do I need to reboot or not? [12:27] yes, you should [12:27] ok, brb [12:35] im stuck at 640x480 resolution [12:35] no other resolutions are available [12:35] is that driver related? [12:36] brainwash, ? [12:37] rosaecaeruleae: which driver is currently in use? see "lspci -v" [12:39] rosaecaeruleae: also, does "grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/*" return anything? [12:39] https://etherpad.mozilla.org/0sTL1UoAx4 [12:40] "grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/* returns nothing [12:41] and "lsmod | grep nouveau"? [12:41] it does not seem to be in use or even loaded [12:41] also nothing [12:43] mmh [12:43] try "sudo modprobe nouveau" [12:44] other than that, try to install the nvidia driver package [12:44] which is your actual goal [12:44] brainwash, https://etherpad.mozilla.org/0sTL1UoAx4 [12:45] brainwash, the nvidia package is by defect broken. Manufacturer mistake [12:45] bug 1372035 [12:45] bug 1372035 in kmod (Ubuntu) "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'off': Function not implemented" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372035 === zz_XeBlackWater is now known as XeBlackWater [12:46] brainwash, so this bug doesnt affect me alone... [12:49] rosaecaeruleae: did you install 14.10? [12:49] brainwash, yes [12:49] upgraded [12:50] going back to 14.04 is not an option, or? [12:53] is 14.10 really that buggy? [12:53] depends, it's a short term support release after all [12:53] only 9 months supported, then you will have to upgrade to the next release [12:54] ok, going back, how do i do that? [12:54] clean install :/ [12:54] maybe you can resolve your driver issue, but I don't have any more ideas [12:54] what does :/ mean? [12:55] :-/ [12:55] it's a smiley [12:55] not an optimistic one [12:55] you cannot simply downgrade to 14.04, so you will have to do a clean installation [12:56] craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap [12:56] but you do it once and then you keep 14.04 for many years (long term support release) [13:00] would downloading the driver from the wevpage and not from synaptic change anything? [13:01] rosaecaeruleae: worth a try [13:02] how do I execute a .run file? [13:10] usually you open a terminal [13:11] then you can run it with ./filename.run [13:12] he's gone [13:12] ah, i have parts/joins off [13:13] I assume that he managed to install it and then rebooted the system [14:26] hello guys i have a problem with my desktop it's freezing any help? [14:45] Hello, I have a problem, I've been running xubuntu 12.10 for quite a while and have stumbled onto a problem. I can't update stuff anymore. Nothing actually. Neither the software updater or software center is responding. I can't open any of them, and I can't install or upgrade stuff through the terminal either. Anyone else who has experienced this? Or know of a solution? [14:45] !eol | xubuntu29w, upgrade to 14.004 [14:45] xubuntu29w, upgrade to 14.004: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [14:45] 14.04 [14:50] The thing is that I'm not sure how to get 14.04, it was trying to upgrade to 14.04 I realised I couldn't update anything. Any tips? [15:15] xubuntu29w, don't update then... download the .iso, make a usb, boot usb and install. or use the EOL upgrade method above ... you DID read the link, right? === andyfied_ is now known as andyfied === Alexfrench_ is now known as Alexfrench [20:22] My system seems to have some sort of memory leak into swap. [20:23] Wayward_Vagabond: what makes you say that? something in top? what application? [20:23] Right now it's at 99% usage, I 4590 of 4637mb used, and no clue what's causing it. [20:24] Wayward_Vagabond: what is making you think its what application? [20:24] Whenever it fills all the way up, the system gets extremely sluggish, eventually x crashes and I have to start a new session. [20:25] Wayward_Vagabond: ok.. what is filling it up? [20:25] I have absolutley no idea what's doing it. [20:25] Wayward_Vagabond: you should know what applications you are using.. [20:25] At the moment I have irssi, and htop running. [20:26] 97mb ob physical memory used. [20:26] *of [20:26] Wayward_Vagabond: so, its not irssi is it? and is this a scnario where the ram is overloaded [20:26] 1498mb of ram on here, and I extremely doubt it. [20:28] I suspect it's either a system component or a 'housekeeping' issue where it's not being freed after it's not in use === Alexfrench_ is now known as Alexfrench [20:30] Wayward_Vagabond: so its not overloaded at the moment [20:30] ? [20:30] are you adding PPAs? i mean, i need *something* to go on.. [20:30] The swap is nearly full at the moment. [20:30] The ram and cpu are basically idle. [20:30] ok.. thats fine [20:30] swap might stay full.. [20:30] PPA? [20:30] if it was full [20:30] !ppa [20:30] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [20:31] No, everything on here is from the repos [20:31] Wayward_Vagabond: one easy thing to do is, use the live iso you installed from.. boot that and see if you have the issue. also, just apply updates, and make sure you have them all [20:32] Hmm, not for sure what I did with the precise disc [20:33] I think firefox may be what's leaking when it runs, but it doesn't have any effect on swap use when I shut it down. [20:33] Wayward_Vagabond: could be flash, then.. [20:33] Flash is disabled [20:33] Wayward_Vagabond: what you do is, assume it *is* firefox and try something else.. [20:34] Looking in htop, firefox isn't still running, and nothing seems to be using /that/ much swap [20:35] Wayward_Vagabond: swap dosnt matter as much as i think you are thinking [20:35] Wayward_Vagabond: if the swap was/is full, it can stay that way.. and just "swap" out as needed [20:36] not sure how you are determining swap is full, anyways.. but, i would look for processes.. see if anything is running away [20:36] try and isolate.. test as a different user.. the live iso.. look for updates, and apply them.. [20:36] Looking in htop at the usage of it [20:37] why? [20:37] is there an issue with it? [20:37] When it actually fills all the way, the system acts almost competely unresponsive until x crashes. [20:37] are you looking at the ram use? or the swap? [20:38] I look when the system acts bogged down to try and figure out why. [20:38] Wayward_Vagabond: please open a temrinal, and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [20:39] I haven't tested the next lts in a clean install yet. [20:39] Wayward_Vagabond: you mean, the last one? 14.04? what are you using? [20:39] This machine has precise on it [20:42] Wayward_Vagabond: ok.. i would then, as i said, check for updates, and apply them, and then, i would test as a different user [20:49] Make another user to test? [20:50] Wayward_Vagabond: the guest account.. another user you make.. whatever you want to do [20:52] Er, why are you hilighting me every time you type? [20:54] its a public channel with many users, and can actually be busy at times.. and i want to be clear how im speaking to, Wayward_Vagabond ..i would actually appreciate it if you are asking me something directly.. === XeBlackWater is now known as zz_XeBlackWater [21:11] il ya quelqu'un [21:12] fr! [21:12] !fr [21:12] Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [21:12] Thank [21:17] hey [21:17] is there an add on that can add a list of applications to the xfce panel? Not whisker menu or application menu [21:18] just a plain old list of appliations [21:18] mijk: yes.. try the other one in the menu when you "add" by right clicking [21:20] I don't want categories [21:20] I just want a simple list of software, just ones I want [21:20] Or maybe Quicklauncher on the panel...you'll have to add the apps you want, but.... [21:20] but? [21:21] You'll have only the apps you want. [21:23] hmm, it's not a menu :S [21:29] I have an issue -my 14.04 install suddenly thinks it's a phone. This is, on reboot the system settings window has gone from the expected desktop style to the very limited ubuntu phone style -weird! Does anyone know if I can just reinstall the system settings via command line? [21:41] I have an issue -my 14.04 install suddenly thinks it's a phone. This is, on reboot the system settings window has gone from the expected desktop style to the very limited ubuntu phone style -weird! Does anyone know if I can just reinstall the system settings via command line? [21:44] how do I execute a .run file? drivers [21:45] rosaecaeruleae: The nvidia driver? "sh $FILENAME", probably with sudo. [21:45] drc, sudo nameofthefile.run ../path/to/nameoffile depending [21:46] no, sudo sh nameoftherunfile [21:46] I'd cd to the location of the .run file first, though. [21:47] makes the command smaller. [21:48] You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before [21:48] installing. For further details, please see the section [21:48] INSTALLING THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux [21:48] driver download page at www.nvidia.com. [21:48] didnt meand to split ir, sorry [21:48] !nvidia [21:48] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [21:48] i would try the one in the repos.. first [21:49] holstein, broken [21:49] if linux support for the device is "broken", then, i wouldnt necessarily expect the site one to be "better" [21:49] but, it wont hurt to try it.. unless it does hurt ;) [21:50] rosaecaeruleae: OK, 1) CTRL ALT D1, 2) login, 3) cd to file location, 4) sudo init 3 (to kill X), 5) sudo sh $FILENAME. [21:50] but holstein's right, try the one in the repos first. [21:50] s/D1/F1 [21:50] i might also try the xedgers ppa next, before the manual one from the stie [21:50] site* [21:51] im f.... up then [21:54] rosaecaeruleae: How is it "broken"? [21:54] bekks, every time I mark the driver for installation in synaptic I get a red exclamation mark [21:54] Then try to install it in the command line, with X being stopped. [21:56] i dont understand: ctrl alt d1? where do I find d1? [21:56] f1. not d1. [22:07] so i was in ctrl alt f1 land and I need guidance [22:07] im gonna need to write that down [22:08] but first [22:08] how do I exit ctrl alt f1 land? [22:10] rosaecaeruleae: Usually Ctrl+Alt+F7. [22:10] brb then!! [22:13] sudo init 3 doesnt kill the x server [22:14] yes [22:15] i execute init before executing the drivers file and it keeps saying that "you appear to be using a x server, please turn it off before proceeding" [22:21] in a terminal: udo service lightdm stop [22:21] rosaecaeruleae: Then just quit LightDM - "sudo service lightdm quit" - problem solved, too. [22:21] *stop [22:22] krytarik, sudo service lightdm quit "sudo service lightdm stop" - typo'd. [22:31] its getting worse [22:31] how do I delete anything related to nvidia in my computer? [22:31] and I havent managed to stop the x server [22:34] what happens if in synaptic i get rid of the x server? [22:35] I wouldn't do that! :P [22:35] Or else, you can say bye bye to Xfce too. [22:36] rosaecaeruleae: Regarding your other question, depends on what exactly you've done, of course. [22:37] Or *managed* to do, rather. [22:37] are there x drivers for nvidia? [22:38] Sure, the default, open source "nouveau" one, and the ones holstein was referring to earlier. [22:39] do they support 1024x648 resolutions? [22:41] rosaecaeruleae: Depends on how well they support your specific graphics device - what is it really? [22:42] nvidia geforce m105 [22:42] Are you sure the proprietary driver still supports it, then? [22:44] krytarik, propietary drivers supported the card till a day ago [22:44] then it all started going... odd [22:45] rosaecaeruleae: I'm saying, you usually have well enough support by the default driver - the proprietary one can be problematic, as you notice. [22:45] krytarik, first time in 3 years [22:46] Well, personally, I can't use the proprietary one in anything later than 12.04, for example. [22:46] ok, forget propietary. X should support several resolutions, right? [22:46] Of course. [22:48] well? how do I do that? how do I configure my 1125x725 (or so) resolution? [22:48] the most perfect example of english grammar so far [22:49] I'd start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [22:50] or here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config [22:50] so its all gonna be via terminal [22:51] OK, I'm out. [23:20] with the x server i cannot change the resolution it always sticks to 600x480 [23:33] where do I find the xorg.conf.file? [23:34] rosaecaeruleae, /etc/X11/, but it doesn't exist by default [23:36] ~/.xprofile << is that in system or in my home dir? [23:36] rosaecaeruleae, ~ means /home/yourusername [23:36] ok [23:43] x is started automatically, right? [23:44] Should be. I think the last time I needed it down for something, I had a hell of a time keeping it down. [23:44] ok... === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang