[03:11] <Joscha> Is this a good Chanel to ask things about FFado, Jack, Pulseaudio and so on? I have no experiance and try to connect my Saffire pro 40 .
[03:17] <holstein> Joscha: sure
[03:17] <holstein> Joscha: you can also try #opensourcemusicians
[03:18] <holstein> it *should be as simple as, open qjackctl, or jack control.. have the firewire device plugged in, and i would have *only* that one firewire device plugged in.. open "setup" and select the "Firewire" driver.. save and hit "start" and see that jack starts without fail
[03:18] <holstein> if not, then, you go from there, troubleshooting
[03:22] <J0scha> Ok. So my Plan is to use my Saffire pro40 as normal audio output for the System and with a daw for musikrecording. I've got the Ffado-mixer to work. I can set levels for all the Faders (testet it with an SPDIF Input, but i wasn't able to get Anything out of my Computer to the Interface. I heard the "normal" Programms are going to Output into a pulseaudio-server? and I need and bridge to get these Signals into Jack and then routing
[03:23] <holstein> i can tell you how i do it, and how otherwise do it
[03:23] <J0scha> o Idea how to do that.
[03:23] <holstein> what do i do? i dont do "casual" audio on my production machine
[03:24] <holstein> i actually disable the pulse audio dbus in jack, and i dont do any flash or "normal" audio from the system on my firewire device
[03:24] <holstein> what do others do? just launch jack, and route the pulse audio sources using the dbus that is running by default out of the box
[03:24] <holstein> you'll see it in "qjackctl" in "connect".. the pulse audio sources can be routed there to your firewire device
[03:28] <J0scha> in qjackctl in the Connect dialog there are 2 Outputs (System) and 6 Inputs (System) But these numbers don't refer to my Interface.So i think the System output is the Thing i want to rout into my Interface?
[03:29] <holstein> J0scha: nope.. i really dont think so, but, it literally wont hurt to try it
[03:29] <holstein> J0scha: are you using 14.04?
[03:29] <velho> holstein, good night my friend :D
[03:30] <J0scha> using Ubuntu mate 14.10. Should have said that at first. Found This IRC in a Forum.
[03:32] <J0scha> But it's a fresh install, so if there are good reasons for a change on ubuntu studio i could do it without loosing configuration, becouse there is no yet
[03:33] <holstein> J0scha: i suggest 14.04 for firewire
[03:33] <holstein> J0scha: mate doesnt matter.. should work fine in mate
[03:33] <holstein> J0scha: but, the 14.04 base might
[03:34] <holstein> J0scha: i wouldnt bother changing now.. just try and set it up
[03:34] <holstein> J0scha: you are in the audio group?
[03:35] <J0scha> I think so. I did sudo usermod -a -G audio  with no errorsusername]
[03:36] <holstein> J0scha: is jack running without error?
[03:36] <J0scha> whoops, writeing is hard...   "sudo usermod -a -G audio [username]"
[03:36] <holstein> if it is, then, you are probably setup just fine
[03:36] <holstein> look in "qjackctl" under setup in the misc tab for the jack dbus make sure that is turned on
[03:39] <J0scha> Dbus is activated and i didn t notice any errors? Is there an error log or something? Or would there errors be visibil in a pop up?
[03:39] <holstein> J0scha: just try jack, friend
[03:39] <holstein> dont overthink it.. route something like yoshimi, and use the virtualkeyboard in the menu to make sound
[03:41] <J0scha> wait... typing jack in the terminal resultis in a "The Programm Jack isn't installd...", but my qjackctl is running... Maybe i missd installing Jack.
[03:41] <holstein> J0scha: qjackctl is just the gui
[03:41] <holstein> when you hit "start" it'll start jackd
[03:42] <holstein> "jack" really is not a package
[03:43] <J0scha> qjackctl tells me itś working t 48Khz and since 49 minutes and there was no error. Does this mean qjackctl startet a Jack, wich in not installd on the System...? I'm getting confused.
[03:44] <holstein> J0scha: JACK is installed, and running
[03:44] <holstein> J0scha: you dont need to type jack in a terminal.. ;)
[03:44] <J0scha> just tought about some help page and maybe an errorlog.
[03:44] <holstein> J0scha: so anyways, you should see, in "connnect" the firewire sources,a nd the pulse system soures.. route them together, and test your sytem audio
[03:45] <holstein> J0scha: you dont have any errors, yet, friend
[03:45] <holstein> J0scha: you dont need to troubleshoot errors yet :)
[03:45] <J0scha> So my Problem is that my Interface obviously doesn't show up in qjackctl
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: why?
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: you state you see it.. route *something*
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: open yoshimi, and try it
[03:47] <holstein> J0scha: im assuming you are using the firewire driver, as i said to do before. are you?
[03:49] <J0scha> yes. It told me to restart the jackserver. in qjackctl the buttons in the left top corner are the correct ones to restart the server?
[03:50] <holstein> there is a "stop" button
[03:51] <holstein> you stop it, see that it is configured for the firewire driver, and not the alsa internal audio device, which, is what it seems you were setup for
[03:52] <J0scha> Ok, I did this and there is still not 1 in-/output from my interface
[03:53] <holstein> J0scha: what makes you say that?
[03:54] <holstein> it wont say "the well supported focusrite ins and outs here"
[03:54] <holstein> they could be labeled anything..
[03:54] <J0scha> becouse the count doesent fit and the a labeled System
[03:55] <holstein> J0scha: please read that sentence, and try again..
[04:00] <J0scha> So i took Yoshimi, connected the apprering Yoshimi Outputs in Jack to all 6 Outputs of the System and turnd all Chaneles up in the FFado Mixer but i still do not hear a sound.
[04:01] <J0scha> Is a Reboot needed while installing all these Audiodrivers?
[04:02] <cfhowlett> J0scha, shouldn't be but it's possible
[04:02] <J0scha> gonna try it
[04:02] <holstein> J0scha: you are not installing any drivers
[04:02] <holstein> they are baked into the kernel.. its modular
[04:03] <holstein> J0scha: i *dont* use the ffado mixer with my firewire hardware
[04:03] <holstein> J0scha: you can also try the ubuntustudio 14.04 live iso and see if everything "just magically works" out of the box
[04:04] <holstein> J0scha: if it does, you can just insatll ubuntustudio, and add mate to it.. that would be much easier.. assuming the hard part of setting up the audio is already done for you
[04:04] <J0scha> Well, i have to lern much more about Linux in general.  I need the Mixer for some 0-latency monitoring.
[04:05] <J0scha> Allready downloading 14.04
[04:05] <holstein> no you dont
[04:05] <holstein> you also *never* get zero latency monitoring
[04:06] <holstein> if you mean, you can bypass the unit, and hear live, you shouldnt need the mixer for that either..
[04:07] <holstein> yeah, i found it helpful to spend a year+ using general linux on a laptop as my daily machine
[04:07] <J0scha> But at first i'll try the reboot. The Download will take at least 40 mins  The Feature is calld like that even if this is not possible.
[04:07] <holstein> lol
[04:08] <holstein> J0scha: on my unit, i have a knob that fades beteen the system audio from the computer, and what is "live" in the inputs.. *before* the computer
[04:08] <holstein> you *can* call that "zero latency" if you want.. but, its not
[04:08] <J0scha> I used Linux on my only mashine for 2 Years but it is a few years ago and i was pretty young. (like 12 or so)
[04:09] <holstein> i mean, it even takes time for the sound to travel through the air to your ears
[04:09] <J0scha> It's near enough for not hearing it while playing drums. Thats enough for me :D
[04:10] <holstein> not hearing what?
[04:10] <J0scha> Now reboot. Bye
[04:10] <J0scha> the latency
[04:10] <holstein> J0scha: its analog, thats why
[04:10] <holstein> which *still* has latency..
[04:19] <J0scha_> yes, the reboot made everything is working. Now I just have to get this  pulseaudio sound into jack.
[04:20] <J0scha_> also got this working. That you very much for your time! holstein!
[11:26] <studio_> have sorted most of the sound problems with midi....but now after using jack or qsynth i lose all sound in my browser and spotify..anyone know why
[16:33] <LightAce> Hello?
[17:06] <deak> ive sorted most of the probs with my midi sound output now and have been able to start using midi with audio...
[20:15] <LightAce> anyone not afk?
[20:18] <holstein> yes...