bluesabrehey all, fun bug(s) there00:49
ochosiin case you're referring to the xdg-screensaver one, then yes00:50
ochosi"fun" times00:50
ochosibut at least now we know what is messing with the blank-time00:51
Unit193bluesabre: Not sure if you saw, but I pulled the patch for datetime to deactivate when it loses focus, no idea if you want that uploaded.01:00
ochosiUnit193: there's another patch in datetime-master btw01:02
Unit193ochosi: Looking at it as we speak even.  You may have accidentally a word.01:02
Unit193Or, -ly.01:02
brainwashochosi: do you like the whisker search page idea? dynamically adding something like " - Settings" to entries from the settings category01:08
brainwashif no, then I won't bother requesting it01:08
brainwashthe user searches for "Filemana" and whisker menu returns "File Manager" + "File Manager - Settings"01:11
ochosiyeah, actually i think it'd be better to just show descriptions in that case01:11
ochosior decide to not show thunar-settings at all01:12
brainwashyeah, showing the description is another solution01:13
ochosishowing the category is just rarely useful01:13
brainwashonly in the search page01:14
brainwashthe settings category is special :)01:14
brainwashI'm thinking about making it subtle, like using italic font for the added " - Settings" part01:17
brainwashor grey color01:17
brainwashmmh, it somehow feels like this should be very easy to implement01:18
brainwashbluesabre: you do have a multi monitor setup, or?01:20
brainwashbluesabre: starting with 14.10 we received some reports which describe this crash https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1135001:47
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11350 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd crash on changes of monitor configurataion: BadRRCrtc (serial 2615 error_code 148 request_code 140 minor_code 21)" [Major,New]01:47
brainwashthese bug reporters unplug the external screen which triggers a crash of xfsettingsd01:48
brainwasha common use case I'd think01:48
bluesabrebrainwash: yes, I've seen that, and have a proposed fix here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11107#c702:57
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11107 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd resets TV mode to NULL on power cycle" [Normal,New]02:57
bluesabreI'll probably go ahead and commit that fix, then figure out why it doesn't actually fix the bug its linked to02:57
bluesabrebrainwash: at home I have a single monitor setup, dual at work (running trusty there)02:58
bluesabreUnit193: haven't had a chance to look at that yet, but if you have the fix, I'll upload it02:59
Unit193http://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-datetime-plugin_0.6.2-2ubuntu2.dsc fixes it so it's like the clock plugin, I only pulled the patch from bugzilla, which was later committed.  There's another commit that makes it work better with the new hiding option too, if you/we care?03:00
bluesabreactually, since we don't ship that one anymore, its not in the packageset03:03
bluesabremaybe we can convince logan to upload it :)03:04
bluesabreI really need to request an xfce packageset03:04
bluesabreI'll try to get the paperwork together for that this weekend, I think its an obvious thing for us to have03:06
Unit193Ah, then no worries.  Having you in the Xubuntu packageset has been extreamly helpful, keep it up!03:09
Unit193And yes, Xfce makes sense, unless you just go for MOTU.03:11
bluesabrewe can cheat.... add it to the xubuntu-desktop recommends, wait til it hits packageset, upload it ;)03:11
Unit193Or suggests? :P03:11
bluesabreyeah, or that :P03:11
Unit193We have the clock plugin, which is nearly functionally the same.03:12
bluesabreI plan to apply for MOTU this cycle, once life settles down a bit and I am done moving03:12
Unit193Whichever gets the gsimplecal like feature (http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10202) is the one I'm going to vote for. :P03:12
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 10202 in General "Display multiple timezones" [Enhancement,New]03:12
bluesabrebut I want to get the packageset going if possible, so we can just add more of you guys as you step up to bat :)03:13
Unit193I stepped up, now I send lots more uploads to you! :----D03:14
Unit193..And keep sending off others to Debian.03:14
bluesabreI'm happy to sponsor what I can03:15
Unit193And I still try to make it easy.  How was the application process anyway?03:15
bluesabrefor packageset?03:16
bluesabrepretty painless reall03:17
Unit193Sounds like the worst of it is updating the wiki and the meeting.  Finding sigs isn't fun, but not too hard one would hope.03:17
bluesabreyeah, lots of writing and bugging folks like dholbach03:18
bluesabreand Logan_03:18
bluesabrelooks like those two were my endorsements, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication03:19
Unit193I may be able to trick Lo gan into it, but not so sure about anyone else.03:20
bluesabreI'll endorse, not sure if that carries any weight :)03:20
bluesabregive me more things to upload :D03:20
Unit193http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Unit+193&sponsoree_search=name  I sure will!03:21
bluesabrebut for now, going to go slack off... be back in the morning :)03:21
Unit193Have fun!03:22
Logan_Unit193: who is Lo gan03:26
Unit193'lo again!03:27
Unit193Logan_: Got the thing I pinged you about in Debian, but experimental so had to requestsync it. :P03:28
Logan_jog my memory03:29
Logan_this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcalcli/+bug/139980003:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1399800 in gcalcli (Ubuntu) "Sync gcalcli 3.1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Undecided,New]03:29
Unit193gcalcli's api change03:29
Unit193Err, Google's API change, right.  That.03:29
Logan_one sec03:30
Unit193Yey!  Danke.03:30
Logan_Unit193: synced03:35
Unit193And as that's the only simple one, that's enough for tonight. \o/03:46
brainwashali1234: you wanted to add a comment to bug 1087242 (that's the reason why I've subscribed you)11:50
ubottubug 1087242 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "XFWM4 not disabling the compositor effects on some fullscreen apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108724211:50
brainwashabout fullscreen windows which are actually windowed, or something like that11:50
ali1234ah... i actually learned a bit more about that the other day11:51
ali1234xfwm only unredirects override redirect fullscreen windows for some reason11:51
ali1234most fullscreen windows aren't override redirect, this puts them above all other windows11:52
brainwashthe app has to set this property?11:52
ali1234technically any app can set override redirect on any window, because X1111:53
ali1234but norally the app does it11:53
brainwashmaybe add an option to always do this regardless of what the app wants?11:53
ali1234would probably be better to just make xfwm unredirect windows even if they aren't override redirect11:54
ali1234this will cause stacking bugs though11:54
ali1234unredirect is a bit of a hack unfortunately, and xfwm alread has many hacks...11:55
brainwashand it requires even more hacks11:57
ochosi!team | sorry about the meeting-time mixup, but i can't make it at 18UTC as scheduled. details sent to ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-December/010495.html12:49
ochosihmpf, well that didn't work12:49
knomeubottu, ping12:50
ochosiUnit193: ping12:52
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ochosiok, let's try this again...12:54
ochosi!team | sorry about the meeting-time mixup, but i can't make it at 18UTC as scheduled. details sent to ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-December/010495.html12:54
ochosigrr, ubottu you suck!12:54
ubottubluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit19312:55
ochosiread above...12:55
ali1234i don't think pipe works that way12:55
knomeali1234, it does.12:56
brainwashUnit193: are you familiar with xfce4-terminal.wrapper which is included in the debian/ubuntu package?13:26
brainwashit appears to be incomplete13:27
brainwashI'll file a debian report13:30
* ochosi waves hello from vivid16:29
* ochosi heads over to the tracker...16:30
* elfy bets you only saw the black screen bug in the livesession16:34
ochosielfy: wrong bet, i didn't see that at all because i was hit by that COM32R bug16:37
ochosiother than that, it's all good16:37
elfyha ha ha 16:38
ochosielfy: while we're both around...16:39
ochosithere are some features that have been recently implemented in xfce and some that i'm considering to push, but they all need some testing16:39
ochosithe one thing is intelligent hiding of the panel16:40
elfyyep - saw some chat about that 16:40
ochosii've fixed it up myself recently and i've also used it, but i think it needs more people using it to discover potential points of failure16:40
ochosiwould you be willing to test that out and to forward it to others who are testing?16:41
elfyright - makes sense - availablity? 16:41
ochosi(we'd make sure there's a PPA ofc)16:41
ochosiif testing goes well, i'd talk to andrzejr to get a dev-release so we can roll it into 15.0416:41
elfyokey doke - do that and I'll surely add it here - once it's available on ppa we can call on the m/l and testers lp contact too16:42
ochosicool, thanks!16:43
ochosijust to be sure, is the concept of "intelligent hiding" implicitely understood these days..=16:44
elfynot completely - but I *think* it hides if something happens to be where the panel is showing16:44
elfythen unhides when something is gone 16:44
ochosiright, so the general idea is: the panel is visible unless something is in its way16:46
ochosi"something" = usually a window (or an open menu from the panel)16:46
ochosiso maximized window -> panel hidden16:46
elfyyea - that was my understanding 16:46
ochosii think unity's side-panel does the same16:46
elfymmm - what if app not maximimised but positioned where panel is 16:47
ochosiso that could be a good point of reference for testers who are familiar with unity16:47
ochosiin that case it'd be hidden too16:47
ochosiso if you move a window to the panel's position, it'll go away16:47
elfyand yes - assuming that unity thing hasn't changed - unity panel autohides 16:47
elfyok - so yep - I understand what it should do then :)16:47
ochosibut: this only reflects the position of the currently focused window16:47
ochosiso if you switch from a maximized window to a non-maximized+non-overlapping window, it'll show u16:48
ochosithe second feature (although there's more work ahead until i'm there) is corner-tiling for xfwm4 plus an option to make it maximize windows instead of tiling to 50% when dragged to the top of the screen16:48
elfyochosi: ok - so only hides for focussed window - useful 16:49
ochosii think it's a useful feature16:49
elfyand as for 2nd - yep - as long as there's an easy way for us to get it tested - just tell me when it's there :)16:50
elfysame with anything really 16:50
ali1234unity actually doesn't do this any more16:52
ali1234they were never able to make it work correctly, so they disabled it by default16:52
ochosielfy: ok, thanks!16:54
ochosiali1234: ah, hm, interesting. i wonder why though, it's not like other docks don't get it right (like plank)16:54
ali1234you could say the same thing about pretty much every feature of unity16:55
ochosii've never used it so i'd rather not16:56
elfyali1234: thanks - it's a while since I properly looked at ubuntu16:56
ochosibut yeah, i do hope we got it right with xfce4-panel16:56
ali1234for most of the problems with unity the answer is because the design is stupid16:56
ali1234ie the design requires something that isn't actually possible, so rather than implement something else that is, they just leave the broken feature, because the design document is set in stone16:59
ochosijjfrv8: i've copied over the xfpm docs and eric_the_idiot is taking the two screenshots that show the devices, so i gues we can consider that done for now17:29
ochosithanks a lot for your effort - it's much appreciated!17:29
ochosihere they are: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/1.4/start17:29
ochosisorry folks, gotta run :/17:52
ochosiin terms of the meeting, my updates would've been that a theme-rewrite will probably take place in the next weeks for Greybird and Numix (port to SASS to keep in sync with gtk upstream more easily)17:53
ochosithis means we'll have to test them quite a bit i guess17:53
ochosiand it'll also mean that the other themes will only receive bugfixes, if even17:54
ochosiOrion, Albatross and Bluebird most likely won't be ported to SASS17:54
ochosi(unless someone else does it)17:54
ochosialso started some exploratory vivid testing and will continue with that, we still have quite a few bugs to be tackled17:54
ochosihopefully we can coordinate that sometime in the near future17:55
ochosibluesabre: ^17:55
ochosibluesabre: also, that python-indicate or python-libappindicator is still missing from our default install, so blueman is a trayicon instead of an indicator17:55
* ochosi out17:56
pleia2doh, why did I wake up? :P17:57
pleia2(ok ok, it's 10am, but my bed is so snuggly!)17:57
skellatpleia2: Up for meeting we're apparently not having18:00
pleia2I don't have anything this week anyway :)18:02
pleia2anything == news from me re: team18:02
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elfyI assume we'll just shuffle quietly along and reschedule then :p18:21
Unit193ochosi: Pong.18:40
Unit193brainwash: At the very least, in a terminal run: /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal --version  vs  /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.wrapper --version  What's the point of the wrapper exactly?18:49
Unit193Ah, I think I see.18:50
brainwashit's apparently needed in debian land18:50
Unit193`xfce4-terminal echo foo bar` vs `xfce4-terminal.wrapper echo foo bar`: debian/xfce4-terminal.wrapper: stole code from gnome-terminal to match its behavior on '-x' and '-e'.                              closes: debian #54816618:52
ubottuDebian bug 548166 in xfce4-terminal "xfce4-terminal: emailing by mutt from openoffice fails" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/54816618:52
brainwashI guess I won't bother with this then18:56
Unit193You're still correct though, it's missing options.18:57
ochosiUnit193: i wanted to ask you whether you could update the daily panel build in your PPA so i can copy it to staging, so then elfy&co can test intelligent hiding21:16
ochosithere was another fix i think after your latest snapshot (unless you've rebuilt again already)21:16
ochosialso, i'm planning to merge this on top of xfwm4 master and then creating a patch-set from it. so if you could then throw that in a PPA so more people can do regression-testing before i propose to merge it to master, that'd be great!21:18
ochosianyway, gotta run off again, ttyl21:20
Unit193Sure, can do.  Just not this second.  I'll get it tonight.21:24

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