| bluesabre | hey all, fun bug(s) there | 00:49 |
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| Unit193 | Howdy. | 00:50 |
| ochosi | in case you're referring to the xdg-screensaver one, then yes | 00:50 |
| ochosi | "fun" times | 00:50 |
| ochosi | but at least now we know what is messing with the blank-time | 00:51 |
| bluesabre | :) | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Not sure if you saw, but I pulled the patch for datetime to deactivate when it loses focus, no idea if you want that uploaded. | 01:00 |
| ochosi | Unit193: there's another patch in datetime-master btw | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Looking at it as we speak even. You may have accidentally a word. | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | Or, -ly. | 01:02 |
| brainwash | ochosi: do you like the whisker search page idea? dynamically adding something like " - Settings" to entries from the settings category | 01:08 |
| brainwash | if no, then I won't bother requesting it | 01:08 |
| brainwash | the user searches for "Filemana" and whisker menu returns "File Manager" + "File Manager - Settings" | 01:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, actually i think it'd be better to just show descriptions in that case | 01:11 |
| ochosi | or decide to not show thunar-settings at all | 01:12 |
| brainwash | yeah, showing the description is another solution | 01:13 |
| ochosi | showing the category is just rarely useful | 01:13 |
| brainwash | only in the search page | 01:14 |
| brainwash | the settings category is special :) | 01:14 |
| brainwash | I'm thinking about making it subtle, like using italic font for the added " - Settings" part | 01:17 |
| brainwash | or grey color | 01:17 |
| brainwash | mmh, it somehow feels like this should be very easy to implement | 01:18 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: you do have a multi monitor setup, or? | 01:20 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: starting with 14.10 we received some reports which describe this crash https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11350 | 01:47 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11350 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd crash on changes of monitor configurataion: BadRRCrtc (serial 2615 error_code 148 request_code 140 minor_code 21)" [Major,New] | 01:47 |
| brainwash | these bug reporters unplug the external screen which triggers a crash of xfsettingsd | 01:48 |
| brainwash | a common use case I'd think | 01:48 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: yes, I've seen that, and have a proposed fix here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11107#c7 | 02:57 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11107 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd resets TV mode to NULL on power cycle" [Normal,New] | 02:57 |
| bluesabre | I'll probably go ahead and commit that fix, then figure out why it doesn't actually fix the bug its linked to | 02:57 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: at home I have a single monitor setup, dual at work (running trusty there) | 02:58 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: haven't had a chance to look at that yet, but if you have the fix, I'll upload it | 02:59 |
| bluesabre | :) | 02:59 |
| Unit193 | http://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-datetime-plugin_0.6.2-2ubuntu2.dsc fixes it so it's like the clock plugin, I only pulled the patch from bugzilla, which was later committed. There's another commit that makes it work better with the new hiding option too, if you/we care? | 03:00 |
| bluesabre | actually, since we don't ship that one anymore, its not in the packageset | 03:03 |
| bluesabre | maybe we can convince logan to upload it :) | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | I really need to request an xfce packageset | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | I'll try to get the paperwork together for that this weekend, I think its an obvious thing for us to have | 03:06 |
| Unit193 | Ah, then no worries. Having you in the Xubuntu packageset has been extreamly helpful, keep it up! | 03:09 |
| bluesabre | :) | 03:10 |
| Unit193 | And yes, Xfce makes sense, unless you just go for MOTU. | 03:11 |
| bluesabre | we can cheat.... add it to the xubuntu-desktop recommends, wait til it hits packageset, upload it ;) | 03:11 |
| Unit193 | Or suggests? :P | 03:11 |
| bluesabre | yeah, or that :P | 03:11 |
| Unit193 | We have the clock plugin, which is nearly functionally the same. | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | I plan to apply for MOTU this cycle, once life settles down a bit and I am done moving | 03:12 |
| Unit193 | Whichever gets the gsimplecal like feature (http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10202) is the one I'm going to vote for. :P | 03:12 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10202 in General "Display multiple timezones" [Enhancement,New] | 03:12 |
| Unit193 | Awesome!\ | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | but I want to get the packageset going if possible, so we can just add more of you guys as you step up to bat :) | 03:13 |
| Unit193 | I stepped up, now I send lots more uploads to you! :----D | 03:14 |
| Unit193 | ..And keep sending off others to Debian. | 03:14 |
| bluesabre | :D | 03:15 |
| bluesabre | I'm happy to sponsor what I can | 03:15 |
| Unit193 | And I still try to make it easy. How was the application process anyway? | 03:15 |
| bluesabre | for packageset? | 03:16 |
| bluesabre | pretty painless reall | 03:17 |
| bluesabre | y | 03:17 |
| Unit193 | Sounds like the worst of it is updating the wiki and the meeting. Finding sigs isn't fun, but not too hard one would hope. | 03:17 |
| bluesabre | yeah, lots of writing and bugging folks like dholbach | 03:18 |
| bluesabre | and Logan_ | 03:18 |
| bluesabre | :D | 03:18 |
| bluesabre | looks like those two were my endorsements, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication | 03:19 |
| Unit193 | I may be able to trick Lo gan into it, but not so sure about anyone else. | 03:20 |
| bluesabre | I'll endorse, not sure if that carries any weight :) | 03:20 |
| bluesabre | give me more things to upload :D | 03:20 |
| Unit193 | http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Unit+193&sponsoree_search=name I sure will! | 03:21 |
| bluesabre | but for now, going to go slack off... be back in the morning :) | 03:21 |
| bluesabre | nice! | 03:21 |
| Unit193 | Have fun! | 03:22 |
| Logan_ | Unit193: who is Lo gan | 03:26 |
| Unit193 | 'lo again! | 03:27 |
| Logan_ | :P | 03:28 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Got the thing I pinged you about in Debian, but experimental so had to requestsync it. :P | 03:28 |
| Logan_ | jog my memory | 03:29 |
| Logan_ | this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcalcli/+bug/1399800 | 03:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1399800 in gcalcli (Ubuntu) "Sync gcalcli 3.1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Undecided,New] | 03:29 |
| Unit193 | gcalcli's api change | 03:29 |
| Unit193 | Err, Google's API change, right. That. | 03:29 |
| Logan_ | one sec | 03:30 |
| Unit193 | Yey! Danke. | 03:30 |
| Logan_ | Unit193: synced | 03:35 |
| Unit193 | Danke. | 03:35 |
| Logan_ | bitte | 03:36 |
| Unit193 | And as that's the only simple one, that's enough for tonight. \o/ | 03:46 |
| brainwash | ali1234: you wanted to add a comment to bug 1087242 (that's the reason why I've subscribed you) | 11:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1087242 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "XFWM4 not disabling the compositor effects on some fullscreen apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087242 | 11:50 |
| brainwash | about fullscreen windows which are actually windowed, or something like that | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | ah... i actually learned a bit more about that the other day | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | xfwm only unredirects override redirect fullscreen windows for some reason | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | most fullscreen windows aren't override redirect, this puts them above all other windows | 11:52 |
| brainwash | the app has to set this property? | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | yes | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | technically any app can set override redirect on any window, because X11 | 11:53 |
| brainwash | oh.. | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | but norally the app does it | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window/attributes/override-redirect.html | 11:53 |
| brainwash | maybe add an option to always do this regardless of what the app wants? | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | would probably be better to just make xfwm unredirect windows even if they aren't override redirect | 11:54 |
| ali1234 | this will cause stacking bugs though | 11:54 |
| ali1234 | unredirect is a bit of a hack unfortunately, and xfwm alread has many hacks... | 11:55 |
| brainwash | and it requires even more hacks | 11:57 |
| ochosi | !team | sorry about the meeting-time mixup, but i can't make it at 18UTC as scheduled. details sent to ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-December/010495.html | 12:49 |
| ochosi | hmpf, well that didn't work | 12:49 |
| knome | ubottu, ping | 12:50 |
| ubottu | pong | 12:50 |
| ubottu | pong! | 12:50 |
| ochosi | Unit193: ping | 12:52 |
| ochosi | !factoid | 12:54 |
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| ochosi | ok, let's try this again... | 12:54 |
| ochosi | !team | sorry about the meeting-time mixup, but i can't make it at 18UTC as scheduled. details sent to ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-December/010495.html | 12:54 |
| ochosi | grr, ubottu you suck! | 12:54 |
| ochosi | !team | 12:55 |
| ubottu | bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 12:55 |
| ochosi | read above... | 12:55 |
| ali1234 | i don't think pipe works that way | 12:55 |
| knome | ali1234, it does. | 12:56 |
| brainwash | Unit193: are you familiar with xfce4-terminal.wrapper which is included in the debian/ubuntu package? | 13:26 |
| brainwash | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-terminal/vivid/view/head:/debian/xfce4-terminal.wrapper | 13:27 |
| brainwash | it appears to be incomplete | 13:27 |
| brainwash | I'll file a debian report | 13:30 |
| * ochosi waves hello from vivid | 16:29 | |
| * ochosi heads over to the tracker... | 16:30 | |
| * elfy bets you only saw the black screen bug in the livesession | 16:34 | |
| ochosi | elfy: wrong bet, i didn't see that at all because i was hit by that COM32R bug | 16:37 |
| ochosi | other than that, it's all good | 16:37 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 16:38 |
| ochosi | elfy: while we're both around... | 16:39 |
| ochosi | there are some features that have been recently implemented in xfce and some that i'm considering to push, but they all need some testing | 16:39 |
| elfy | ok | 16:40 |
| ochosi | the one thing is intelligent hiding of the panel | 16:40 |
| elfy | yep - saw some chat about that | 16:40 |
| ochosi | i've fixed it up myself recently and i've also used it, but i think it needs more people using it to discover potential points of failure | 16:40 |
| ochosi | would you be willing to test that out and to forward it to others who are testing? | 16:41 |
| elfy | right - makes sense - availablity? | 16:41 |
| ochosi | (we'd make sure there's a PPA ofc) | 16:41 |
| ochosi | if testing goes well, i'd talk to andrzejr to get a dev-release so we can roll it into 15.04 | 16:41 |
| elfy | okey doke - do that and I'll surely add it here - once it's available on ppa we can call on the m/l and testers lp contact too | 16:42 |
| ochosi | cool, thanks! | 16:43 |
| ochosi | just to be sure, is the concept of "intelligent hiding" implicitely understood these days..= | 16:44 |
| ochosi | ? | 16:44 |
| elfy | not completely - but I *think* it hides if something happens to be where the panel is showing | 16:44 |
| elfy | then unhides when something is gone | 16:44 |
| ochosi | right, so the general idea is: the panel is visible unless something is in its way | 16:46 |
| ochosi | "something" = usually a window (or an open menu from the panel) | 16:46 |
| ochosi | so maximized window -> panel hidden | 16:46 |
| elfy | yea - that was my understanding | 16:46 |
| ochosi | ok | 16:46 |
| ochosi | cool | 16:46 |
| ochosi | i think unity's side-panel does the same | 16:46 |
| elfy | mmm - what if app not maximimised but positioned where panel is | 16:47 |
| ochosi | so that could be a good point of reference for testers who are familiar with unity | 16:47 |
| ochosi | in that case it'd be hidden too | 16:47 |
| ochosi | so if you move a window to the panel's position, it'll go away | 16:47 |
| elfy | and yes - assuming that unity thing hasn't changed - unity panel autohides | 16:47 |
| elfy | ok - so yep - I understand what it should do then :) | 16:47 |
| ochosi | but: this only reflects the position of the currently focused window | 16:47 |
| ochosi | so if you switch from a maximized window to a non-maximized+non-overlapping window, it'll show u | 16:48 |
| ochosi | p | 16:48 |
| ochosi | the second feature (although there's more work ahead until i'm there) is corner-tiling for xfwm4 plus an option to make it maximize windows instead of tiling to 50% when dragged to the top of the screen | 16:48 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - so only hides for focussed window - useful | 16:49 |
| ochosi | yup | 16:49 |
| ochosi | i think it's a useful feature | 16:49 |
| elfy | and as for 2nd - yep - as long as there's an easy way for us to get it tested - just tell me when it's there :) | 16:50 |
| elfy | same with anything really | 16:50 |
| ali1234 | unity actually doesn't do this any more | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | they were never able to make it work correctly, so they disabled it by default | 16:52 |
| ochosi | elfy: ok, thanks! | 16:54 |
| ochosi | ali1234: ah, hm, interesting. i wonder why though, it's not like other docks don't get it right (like plank) | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | you could say the same thing about pretty much every feature of unity | 16:55 |
| ochosi | i've never used it so i'd rather not | 16:56 |
| elfy | ali1234: thanks - it's a while since I properly looked at ubuntu | 16:56 |
| ochosi | but yeah, i do hope we got it right with xfce4-panel | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | for most of the problems with unity the answer is because the design is stupid | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | ie the design requires something that isn't actually possible, so rather than implement something else that is, they just leave the broken feature, because the design document is set in stone | 16:59 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: i've copied over the xfpm docs and eric_the_idiot is taking the two screenshots that show the devices, so i gues we can consider that done for now | 17:29 |
| ochosi | thanks a lot for your effort - it's much appreciated! | 17:29 |
| ochosi | here they are: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/1.4/start | 17:29 |
| ochosi | sorry folks, gotta run :/ | 17:52 |
| ochosi | in terms of the meeting, my updates would've been that a theme-rewrite will probably take place in the next weeks for Greybird and Numix (port to SASS to keep in sync with gtk upstream more easily) | 17:53 |
| ochosi | this means we'll have to test them quite a bit i guess | 17:53 |
| ochosi | and it'll also mean that the other themes will only receive bugfixes, if even | 17:54 |
| ochosi | Orion, Albatross and Bluebird most likely won't be ported to SASS | 17:54 |
| ochosi | (unless someone else does it) | 17:54 |
| ochosi | also started some exploratory vivid testing and will continue with that, we still have quite a few bugs to be tackled | 17:54 |
| ochosi | hopefully we can coordinate that sometime in the near future | 17:55 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ^ | 17:55 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: also, that python-indicate or python-libappindicator is still missing from our default install, so blueman is a trayicon instead of an indicator | 17:55 |
| * ochosi out | 17:56 | |
| pleia2 | doh, why did I wake up? :P | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | (ok ok, it's 10am, but my bed is so snuggly!) | 17:57 |
| skellat | pleia2: Up for meeting we're apparently not having | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | yep | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | I don't have anything this week anyway :) | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | anything == news from me re: team | 18:02 |
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| elfy | I assume we'll just shuffle quietly along and reschedule then :p | 18:21 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Pong. | 18:40 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: At the very least, in a terminal run: /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal --version vs /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.wrapper --version What's the point of the wrapper exactly? | 18:49 |
| Unit193 | Ah, I think I see. | 18:50 |
| brainwash | it's apparently needed in debian land | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | `xfce4-terminal echo foo bar` vs `xfce4-terminal.wrapper echo foo bar`: debian/xfce4-terminal.wrapper: stole code from gnome-terminal to match its behavior on '-x' and '-e'. closes: debian #548166 | 18:52 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 548166 in xfce4-terminal "xfce4-terminal: emailing by mutt from openoffice fails" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/548166 | 18:52 |
| brainwash | interesting | 18:54 |
| brainwash | I guess I won't bother with this then | 18:56 |
| Unit193 | You're still correct though, it's missing options. | 18:57 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i wanted to ask you whether you could update the daily panel build in your PPA so i can copy it to staging, so then elfy&co can test intelligent hiding | 21:16 |
| ochosi | there was another fix i think after your latest snapshot (unless you've rebuilt again already) | 21:16 |
| ochosi | also, i'm planning to merge this on top of xfwm4 master and then creating a patch-set from it. so if you could then throw that in a PPA so more people can do regression-testing before i propose to merge it to master, that'd be great! | 21:18 |
| ochosi | anyway, gotta run off again, ttyl | 21:20 |
| Unit193 | Sure, can do. Just not this second. I'll get it tonight. | 21:24 |
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