[01:50] <pleia2> bkerensa: your message only went to me
[02:16] <mhall119> jcastro: you should get Reddit using the new reddit charm, their site has barely loaded all day
[03:29] <jose> mhall119: reddit charm?! where?!
[03:38] <mhall119> jose: sabdfl mentioned it during his UOS session last month
[03:38] <jose> ah
[09:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:13] <czajkowski> just when I thought I had caught up on mail mre threds start with the same topics just a different subject :(
[13:54] <balloons> I agree, so many mailing list threads. They just continue to build in my inbox :-)
[13:56] <dholbach> I think we need a weekly meeting (at least for now) where people who have ideas and actionable proposals discuss them and people can congregate around ideas
[13:57] <popey> +1
[13:59] <dholbach> maybe Friday? 15/16 UTC, usual meeting time?
[14:09] <czajkowski> +1
[14:09] <czajkowski> lovely idea
[14:14] <belkinsa> dholbach, +1 for your idea
[14:15] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm, popey, balloons: ^ your thoughts?
[14:15] <dholbach> let me check the #u-meeting cal
[14:16] <dholbach> friday is free
[14:17] <dpm> dholbach, sounds good
[14:17] <dholbach> is 15 utc fine for you? 16 might be better right now for the us west coast
[14:17] <balloons> will it have an agenda? I fear more of the same unless you have an agenda of ideas and people coming to commit to them
[14:18] <dholbach> we could make it so that people who feel strongly about a topic or have a specific idea could add it to the agenda
[14:19] <dholbach> or bring a proposal from the list to the meeting, so we can invite lots of random people and see if they want to help out
[14:19] <dholbach> we could try to make it a hangout too
[14:19] <dholbach> if we feel we reach more people this way
[14:38] <mhall119> dholbach: I share balloons' concerns, we should make the meeting topic about solutions and work items to avoid endless discussion of the problems
[14:38] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, that's what I meant
[14:43] <balloons> dholbach, my point is before you plan the date and time, you need to have a solid agenda. I think you could put one together so I don't think it's a barrier persay, but I would do it first
[14:43] <dholbach> ?
[14:43] <dholbach> I was planning to make this a permanent institution
[14:43] <dholbach> at least for the time being
[14:44] <balloons> ok.. I see it as temporary and as needed
[14:44] <dholbach> the list can stay around for discussion and generating ideas
[14:44] <dholbach> sure
[14:44] <dholbach> if the agenda is empty, no need to have a meeting
[14:44] <dholbach> if you want, we can have a chat in the Q&A later on :)
[14:45]  * balloons erases his response
[14:45] <balloons> heh, I suppose this warrants discussion
[14:45]  * balloons rolls his eyes smiling
[14:45] <dholbach> haha
[14:46]  * dholbach hugs balloons
[14:46] <sotrdofthsstarwa> Is there a term for the group of Canonical + non-Canonical that together comprises the greater Ubuntu project?
[14:47] <dholbach> "Ubuntu community"?
[14:47] <mhall119> ^^ that
[14:47] <sotrdofthsstarwa> No one really seems to be using that in the ML inclusively of Canonical
[14:48] <mhall119> yeah, the problem is there is no single term for "Those in the Ubuntu community who are not employed by Canonical"
[14:48] <sotrdofthsstarwa> e.g. ben's phrase "This is something Ubuntu Community or Canonical"
[14:49] <balloons> sotrdofthsstarwa, interesting.. Do you differentiate?
[14:49] <mhall119> so "community" is often used as shorthand for that
[14:49] <sotrdofthsstarwa> balloons, what do you mean by differentiate?
[14:49] <sotrdofthsstarwa> Oh, like do *I* personally see a difference?
[14:50] <balloons> sotrdofthsstarwa, yes.. when you say the ubuntu community, do you not mean include canonical in it?
[14:50] <mhall119> so as dholbach said, "Ubuntu Community" properly defined everybody who participates in and contributes to the Ubuntu project, regardless of their employer
[14:50] <sotrdofthsstarwa> Before 10 minutes ago I would say no, but now I say yes
[14:50] <sotrdofthsstarwa> I suppose I might as well clarify wth I'm actually thinking about:
[14:50] <marcoceppi> jcastro: it's that time again, nest energy report is out
[14:50] <jcastro> marcoceppi, 10 leafs/ :(
[14:51] <marcoceppi> 28, stay warm jcastro
[14:51] <jcastro> ;_;
[14:51] <balloons> jcastro still not wearing enough hats @ home :-)
[14:51] <mhall119> my A/C was on yesterday, my heater today, I couldn't compete with you guys
[14:51] <jcastro> we also were sick over the weekend so I _cranked_ it
[14:51] <sotrdofthsstarwa> A lot of people use phrases that isolate Canonical from the Ubuntu Community as a whole, Ben K being just one example.
[14:51] <balloons> I've seen him in gloves now, he's hardcore marcoceppi
[14:51] <marcoceppi> balloons: I know, he's trying to shard
[14:51] <mhall119> sotrdofthsstarwa: I wouldn't use ben as a role model on that
[14:52] <sotrdofthsstarwa> mhall119, agreed, but he's just the example freshest in my mind
[14:52] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I've had the AC on all month, still haven't switched to heat
[14:52] <sotrdofthsstarwa> And really I just want to be able to use a phrase that's inclusive
[14:53] <sotrdofthsstarwa> Because it doesn't matter whether  I'm fixing a documentation typo or Jorge C is hacking on juju or whatever, it's all Ubuntu
[14:53] <marcoceppi> jcastro: you also have like a million times the sqft that I do
[14:53] <mhall119> sotrdofthsstarwa: "Ubuntu Community" is inclusive
[14:53] <jcastro> sotrdofthsstarwa, I just say "all contributors"
[14:54] <sotrdofthsstarwa> Anyway yeah, I like "Ubuntu Community"
[14:54] <sotrdofthsstarwa> Thanks all
[14:54] <mhall119> speaking as a Canonical employee, I don't like being segregated when people use the term "community" as ben does
[14:54] <marcoceppi> me neither :(
[14:55] <sotrdofthsstarwa> FWIW, I think you all are doing great work and without it I wouldn't be able to buy a phone with Ubuntu on it so... you know... that's awesome
[14:56] <mhall119> sotrdofthsstarwa: :)
[14:56] <balloons> I echo mhall119 here in that I mean everyone when I say community.
[14:59] <dholbach> +1
[15:02] <nigelb> bkerensa: man, I'm jealous you didn't have to take a long flight back :P
[15:03] <sotrdofthsstarwa> Anyway, bottom line, words are powerful and help set framing for conversation participants.
[15:03] <jcastro> popey, my new hardware gets here today
[15:04] <jcastro> popey, but man, the design of the node304 has blown me away.
[15:04] <jcastro> rubber grommets built in for the drives for vibration/noise, channels to tuck in wires for neatness, an external fan switch to control all three fans' speeds.
[15:23] <dholbach> popey, balloons: shall I set up the hangout and ubuntuonair in a bit?=
[15:25] <balloons> dholbach, sure, thanks!
[15:29] <popey> dholbach: are we doing it again?
[15:29] <dholbach> popey, dpm pinged us about it?
[15:30] <dholbach> he said that Mike would be busy working on developer.u.c
[15:30] <popey> sorry, catching up with irc after being afk for 1 hour is surprisingly hard it seems
[15:30] <popey> ok
[15:30] <dpm> dholbach, I think it should be enough if there is two of us
[15:30] <dholbach> I replied that I was somewhat knackered after a long drive last night, but that I'd be up for it
[15:31] <dholbach> shall we play rock paper scissors to figure it out? :-)
[15:31] <popey> no, it's fine, I'll join ☻
[15:31] <popey> now my PC spontaneously rebooted while I was afk, my webcam works again!
[15:31] <popey> \o/ Year of the Linux desktop!
[15:31] <balloons> wahoo!
[15:31] <balloons> it's self-correcting!
[15:32]  * balloons notes he is now redundant. Pc's fix themselves
[15:32] <dholbach> balloons, enjoy your holidays
[15:36] <popey> ugh, just checked my webcam and I look like death
[15:36] <popey> flu \o/
[15:37]  * dholbach hugs popey
[15:44] <dholbach> all right... posted on Twitter
[15:44] <dholbach> FB is next
[15:44] <dholbach> can somebody do G+?
[15:48]  * popey does
[15:48] <dholbach> <3
[15:49] <popey> 184K members on the Ubuntu community on G+!?!?!
[15:49] <dholbach> I guess all your friends joined the Ubuntu community then?
[15:49] <popey> both of them did, yes.
[15:50] <dholbach> I thought that was the 184k :)
[15:50] <dholbach> everyone's popey's friend
[15:50] <popey> "They're not my friends, they're just people who owe me money"
[15:52] <dholbach> http://www.blogrebellen.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Last-Christmas-I-1.jpg
[17:22] <balloons> elfy, I was awaiting your reply :-)
[17:22] <balloons> hugs!
[17:25] <balloons> I know someone here, perhaps popey or elfy knows the answer to this. How can I get a nice email alias @ ubuntu.com? I'd like balloons naturally!
[17:26] <popey> !membership > balloons
[17:26] <ubot2> balloons, please see my private message
[17:26] <popey> what's your launchpad nick?
[17:26] <balloons> nskaggs
[17:26] <popey> the default is that
[17:26] <popey> you can file an RT and ask for it maybe
[17:29] <balloons> popey, so by default though I should have one.. hmm.. afaik, I don't have any
[17:30] <popey> you do
[17:30] <popey> nskaggs@ubuntu.com
[17:30] <popey> thats the default for all ubuntu members
[17:31] <balloons> popey, mind emailing me there and seeing if it shows? self-mailing doesn't bring anything to me
[17:32] <popey> already done
[17:32] <elfy> I did :)
[17:32] <elfy> ha ha
[17:32] <balloons> lol.. boom, I see it
[17:32] <balloons> thanks guys!
[17:32] <elfy> balloons: if you send from gmail I think it goes bang somewhere out over the Atlantic
[17:36] <popey> #hehe
[17:51] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:51]  * belkinsa hugs dholbach
[17:51]  * dholbach hugs belkinsa back :)
[17:52] <elfy> cya dholbach
[17:52] <elfy> and hi belkinsa :)
[17:52] <dholbach> bye elfy :)
[17:52] <belkinsa> o/ elfy
[18:55] <belkinsa> popey, did you e-mail UW Mailing-list on how to get invoulved in Ubuntu Phone Project?
[19:01] <popey> not yet.
[19:01] <popey> thanks for the reminder
[19:02] <belkinsa> Okay.
[19:03] <jose> balloons: ping, to confirm who'll be hosting the session tomorrow
[19:23] <balloons> jose, unless popey wants to join me, it'll be me as the one man show
[19:24] <jose> ack
[19:24] <popey> I can't. it's podcast night.
[20:38] <balloons> popey, heh, you'd be bored anyway :-)
[20:38] <popey> haha
[20:38] <balloons> <3
[20:38] <popey> no no no!
[20:38] <popey> everyone loves autopilot
[20:38] <popey> even me........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[20:38] <popey> sorry, whuh?
[20:38] <balloons> you love it.. But listening to me drone one about it while screencasting; probably not so much
[20:39] <balloons> now salem could always use the screentime. Might make it more palatable :-)
[20:39] <popey> :D