[02:53] <Chipaca> ted: init: Failed to spawn application-click (com.chipaca.pushtorial_pushtorial_0.1) post-stop process: unable to mark cgroups for removal: Unknown error 196609
[02:55] <Chipaca> also maybe tvoss, not sure ^ (who was it was interested in cgroups failures for untrusted helpers?)
[02:55] <Chipaca> anyway, to bed for me
[03:06]  * UTL waves to everybody.
[03:09] <UTL> Say, I just got an idea: Wouldn't it be nice if there was a way to multiple-boot between several different OSes (Android, Cyanogenmod, Ubuntu Touch, Firefox OS, etc.) using a bootloader menu (like GRUB)? Is there such a thing?
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> there is
[03:09] <UTL> What's it called?
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> but forgot name
[03:10]  * UTL slaps his forehead.
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> multirom or such
[03:11] <nhaines> MultiROM Manager.  It's fantastic.
[03:11] <UTL> Well, I'm wanting to boot between Cyanogenmod and Ubuntu Touch on my Nook HD+, but Cyanoboot is just a graphic.
[03:12] <UTL> nhaines: Thanks! I'll look into it.
[03:14] <UTL> I'll have to get Cyanogenmod back to try it. I was trying to solve the Ubuntu Touch problems by working on it on my Nook.
[03:14] <UTL> But unfortunately, I lost CM.
[03:20] <UTL> How come TWRP (TeamWin Recovery) is not available for ovation? It was easy to use on my other devices, and I was disappointed that it wasn't available for my Nook.
[03:20] <UTL> Clockworkmod Recovery is fine, but I'd like for it to do more.
[03:24]  * UTL reinstalls Cyanogenmod. If he can get MultiROM Manager to work on his Nook HD+, then perhaps he can continue to work with Ubuntu Touch while still comfortably using CM. But the million-dollar question: Will it work?
[03:25] <nhaines> It'll have to be ported to the Nook HD+ first.
[03:25] <UTL> I'm hoping it already has.
[03:30] <UTL> I backed up all of my apps to Google, and now it's having to get them all back before I can try the MultiROM! *sigh!* This will take a while...
[03:32] <UTL> Say, did anyone see what I typed about my modifying the ZIPs last night?
[03:34] <UTL> Just wondering. I was experimenting with different tarballs.
[03:37] <UTL> I extracted a Saucy ZIP (namely saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip), replaced the tar.gz with a different version of UT (i.e. Vivid), and redirecting the updater-script to extract the new package.
[03:38] <UTL> Then, I zipped it back up, put on my micro SD card, booted to recovery, flashed the two ovation packages and the one I created, and reboot. The result?
[03:41] <UTL> You get to see a dinky little Ubuntu logo rotate for about ten minutes, stop for a minute, and then start rotating again. This pattern would have gone on forever if I hadn't smashed my Nook in frustration.
[03:41] <UTL> Did I say "smashed"? I meant "rebooted"? Yeah! That's what I meant.
[03:43]  * UTL hears a chorus of crickets. Maybe he should just keep a journal...
[03:47] <UTL> Nuts! MultiROM Manager says "This is unsupported device (ovation)!" Why do these developers make it so difficult to do anything?!?
[03:53] <UTL> Found something called "Boot Menu Manager" by whirleyes. It refuses to install because of "Wrong BMM busybox." How do I work around this?
[04:01] <UTL> Found something called ROM Customizer. Will this let me multi-boot?
[04:09] <nhaines> UTL: Tassadar didn't "make it so difficult" to install MultiROM Manager.  It has to be ported to each and every single different device platform, exactly like Ubuntu must
[04:09] <nhaines> You can only use a ROM manager that has been ported to and supports your Nook HD+.
[04:16] <UTL> Just changed ro.product.device line from ovation to flo in my build.prop file. It tricked MultiROM Manager, but I have a sinking feeling that this might confuse a lot of things.
[04:16] <UTL> However, I'm willing to try anything!
[04:18] <UTL> Installation fails with "Failed to mount /cache!" Should I clear it?
[04:25] <UTL> I can't clear /cache while I'm using it! This is a conundrum!
[04:31] <UTL> It says that the kernel "doesn't have kexec-hardboot patch!" What does this mean?
[04:32] <nhaines> It means exactly what it says.  The kernel needs a kexec-hardboot patch and doesn't have it.
[04:33] <UTL> Okay; how do I apply the patch?
[04:33] <nhaines> I'm not certain if the patch is per device or universal per Android version.
[04:33] <nhaines> If MultiROM Manager can't do it, you'll need to patch the kernel source code and then compile from source.
[04:34] <UTL> Oh, brother! More complications. Maybe MultiROM Manager isn't the best solution...
[04:35] <nhaines> You're going to have to compile code at some point, and probably really soon.
[04:36]  * UTL changes ro.product.device back from flo to ovation.
[04:37]  * UTL also uninstalls MultiROM Manager.
[04:37] <nhaines> UTL: the recurring theme here is that unless someone has already done the significant amount of work for you, you're going to need to do it yourself.  :)
[04:38] <UTL> I figured as much. I was just hoping... praying...
[04:39]  * UTL bangs his head against the desk. Here we go again!
[08:14] <seb128> mardy, hey
[08:15] <mardy> seb128: hi! I just saw your messages from yesterday evening
[08:15] <seb128> hello ;-)
[08:15] <mardy> seb128: I was checking the libsignon-glib version
[08:16] <mardy> seb128: in theory, we don't need the very last commit, but now I suspect that the version we have in Ubuntu is actually much older
[08:16] <seb128> mardy, looking to the checkout date and the trunk commit we are missing like 3 commits
[08:16] <seb128> one being the fix you did to annotations this week
[08:16] <seb128> I applied that one locally/built a package with it, that works fine
[08:17] <seb128> I can dput if you want
[08:17] <mardy> seb128: oh, no we actually need the very last one
[08:18] <seb128> mardy, why?
[08:18] <mardy> seb128: because the process_async() was indeed missing from the vala bindings
[08:18] <seb128> mardy, https://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/detail?r=295f51be85ae6a7854e65d5079760b5ed1fa6fc8&repo=libsignon-glib apply fine to our package
[08:19] <seb128> mardy, right, I backported ^ and built that locally, works fine and I could build/run shotwell
[08:19] <mardy> seb128: yes yes, I mean, we need all the commits up to the latest trunk
[08:19] <seb128> why?
[08:19] <seb128> that only commit apply fine to our version and builds/works
[08:19] <seb128> well anyway, your call
[08:19] <seb128> but I've that backport to our version ready to dput if you want that
[08:20] <seb128> if you rather want to do a new snapshot or release feel free though
[08:20] <mardy> seb128: let me check the bugs fixed by the other commits, maybe they are not that serious
[08:21] <mardy> seb128: yep, the last commit alone would do
[08:22] <mardy> seb128: but that's only for the backports; for vivid, I'll follow the ci-train and land everything
[08:22] <mardy> seb128: does that sound OK?
[08:22] <seb128> mardy, ok, works for me
[08:22] <seb128> mardy, let me know if you need help
[08:22] <seb128> mardy, once you land the update lib I can upload shotwell to vivid as well
[08:23] <mardy> seb128: cool, will let you know
[08:23] <seb128> mardy, thanks ;-)
[09:06] <Cimi> Wellark, ping
[09:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Anti-corruption Day! :-D
[09:47] <ogra_> stgraber, did you change the importer config ? we cant get any touch images at all anymore it seems and i see it only processing one channel
[09:48] <ogra_> hmm, looks like all channels were switched to manual
[09:49] <stgraber> ogra_: slangasek did that
[09:50] <ogra_> any idea why ?
[09:50] <slangasek> ogra_: because the importer is failing miserably due to jenkins being down
[09:50] <ogra_> slangasek, onyl for certain images
[09:50] <ogra_> touch vivid shouldnt be among them afaik
[09:51] <slangasek> ogra_: the importer as a whole is failing with the stock config
[09:51] <ogra_> hmm, i only saw rtm fail yesterady
[09:51] <ogra_> (due to custom tarballs not being available)
[09:52] <slangasek> ogra_: the "failure" is a hang; the importer never completes
[09:52] <slangasek> ogra_: you're right that vivid doesn't depend on jenkins, so reenabling that now
[09:52] <ogra_> hmm, it seemed to move on when i ran it with -vvv
[09:53] <slangasek> maybe you ran it before the network changed
[09:53] <ogra_> well, s-jenkins was gone when i did that
[09:53] <linocisco> hi all
[09:54] <ogra_> not sure what other machines we query for other channels though
[09:54] <linocisco> is ubuntu phone is dual os along side of ANdroid or It is ubuntu only phone?
[09:54] <popey> linocisco: depends, you can flash clean on a nexus 4, or use the dual boot app
[09:55] <linocisco> popey, if we have only OS, it might be better for resource consumption on phone. right?
[09:55] <popey> linocisco: disk space? sure.
[09:55] <linocisco> popey, I am looking for ubuntu only phone with best battery life
[09:55] <popey> linocisco: nobody is selling ubuntu phones yet.
[09:56] <linocisco> popey, for example, what about battery life for the same phone with Android or ubuntu OS and why usage is the same?
[09:56] <popey> mzanetti: is that store rss feed updating for you?
[09:56] <popey> linocisco: from my testing it's about the same.
[09:57] <linocisco> popey, can we install ubuntu touch on iPHone?
[09:58] <popey> linocisco: no
[09:58] <popey> just like you can't install android on one.
[09:58] <linocisco> popey,  only work in Nexus?
[09:58] <linocisco> popey, any other tested model?
[09:58] <mzanetti> popey: yes
[09:58] <popey> !devices | linocisco
[09:58] <ubot5`> linocisco: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[09:58] <mzanetti> well, let me check
[09:59] <popey> mzanetti: I'm not seeing updates since 10 days
[10:00] <mzanetti> popey: latest entry here is the terminal reboot from yesterday
[10:01] <linocisco> popey, i have samsung galaxy cooper old model
[10:01] <linocisco> popey, dont see that device if we can use.
[10:01] <popey> mzanetti: ok
[10:02] <popey> linocisco: right, if it's not listed then you can't use it. someone needs to port to that device
[10:02] <linocisco> popey, most possible one is Nexus which is never on sales in our country
[10:03] <popey> linocisco: indeed. ebay..
[10:03] <ogra_> hmmm
[10:03] <ogra_> https://bitbucket.org/equalsraf/vim-qt/wiki/Home
[10:03] <ogra_> why dont we have a click for that yet ?
[10:03] <popey> linocisco: otherwise wait a short while and you'll be able to buy a phone
[10:20] <Chipaca> anybody here played with Qt's JSON support and has five minutes to give me a hand?
[10:53] <Chipaca> nm, got it
[11:04] <Wellark> Cimi: right with you
[11:05] <Chipaca> bzoltan: you around?
[11:05] <Wellark> Cimi: wanna hangout?
[11:08] <Chipaca> bzoltan: i'll brb, but my ping was about how to "give" somebody a file that they unpack into a cmake project in the sdk
[13:01] <JoeyChan> need help here,  just upgraded to vivid r48
[13:02] <JoeyChan> I cancel the "star" on the top-right of app scope
[13:02] <JoeyChan> Now I get a blank screen
[13:02] <JoeyChan> And nothing happen with bottom swipe
[13:04] <davmor2> JoeyChan: you probably need image 49 for that to be fixed
[13:04] <popey> JoeyChan: i think i saw mention of that, perhaps due to a package not landing correctly. I think it's known. Right sil2100 ?
[13:04] <JoeyChan> (╥_╥)
[13:04] <davmor2> JoeyChan: yeap just confirmed it has the new package in for scope management
[13:05] <JoeyChan> ok.    wait for the next image
[13:05] <davmor2> JoeyChan: it's there now
[13:05] <JoeyChan> r49 ?
[13:06] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  thx  I see it downloading now   :)
[14:41] <cwayne> dbarth: updated my webapps in the store
[14:41] <cwayne> sorry, I'd forgotten about it a bit :)
[14:43] <dbarth> cwayne: ah nice
[14:43] <dbarth> i was going to ask today, i have most of the other ones updated now
[14:43] <dbarth> cwayne: thanks!
[14:44] <cwayne> dbarth: np, sorry it took me so long! (vacation + getting sick == laziness :P)
[14:45] <davmor2> cwayne: you could of just rounded it off to just Laziness :P
[14:47] <dbarth> between the 2 of you guys, it feels like a surreal conversation
[14:47] <dbarth> you keep burning the midnight oil, so i'm surprised you can even spell laziness
[14:49] <dbarth> thanks anyway
[14:49] <dbarth>  
[14:50] <jgdx> mpt, hey, if I propose a spec change for bug 1379850, could you do a review? :)
[14:50] <dbarth> on a different note, any idea why i couldn't get updates currently from the store?
[14:50] <mpt> jgdx, sure!
[14:50] <jgdx> mpt, awesome
[14:57] <kenvandine> i just noticed i'm not getting a lock screen on rtm 173
[14:57] <kenvandine> security is set to passcode (pin) and developer mode works fine
[14:57] <kenvandine> but i no longer have to enter my pin to unlock
[14:57] <kenvandine> anyone else seeing that?
[14:58] <kenvandine> mterry, ^^^ what kind of info would be useful in a bug report for that?
[14:58] <kenvandine> i even tried rebooting, still not locking
[14:59] <mterry> kenvandine, fascinating.  The file ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log would be useful...  Maybe the contents of /usr/lib/extrausers
[14:59] <kenvandine> ok
[15:01] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  r49 doesn't work for me ,  I still got blank screen, no bottom swipe   :(
[15:01] <kenvandine> mterry, /usr/lib/extrausers ?
[15:01] <kenvandine> doesn't exist
[15:01] <mterry> uh...
[15:01] <mterry> let me check
[15:02] <mterry> might be /var/lib
[15:02] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah ^
[15:03] <davmor2> JoeyChan: hmmm maybe someone else can help you out then
[15:04] <JoeyChan> davmor2:  or help me to get the app scope back ?
[15:06] <kenvandine> mterry, bug 1400742
[15:10] <mterry> kenvandine, ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log?  though it likely won't have anything useful
[15:10] <kenvandine> oh... i added that... didn't go with the bug though
[15:10] <mterry> ?
[15:15] <kenvandine> mterry, i had added the attachment when i was creating the bug, but most have forgotten to click something...
[15:15] <kenvandine> i added it now
[15:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, remember the brightness crash?  i have a fix :)
[15:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, bug 1385467
[15:17] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, you might want to consider that for ww51
[15:19] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, was a race then? not sure thats very common though is it? seems one needs to try to get it
[15:19] <kenvandine> sort of
[15:20] <kenvandine> so basically there was a chance we had a property that was undefined
[15:20] <kenvandine> this protects against that
[15:20] <kenvandine> not very common, but simple/obvious fix
[15:20] <kenvandine> and no risk
[15:22] <tedg> davmor2, heard you have an indicator-sound crasher? Do you have an errors.u.c ID for it?
[15:23] <davmor2> tedg: no crash file for it
[15:23] <tedg> davmor2, Oh, so not a crasher :-)
[15:23] <davmor2> tedg: it's like it never starts
[15:24] <tedg> davmor2, Is it running?
[15:25] <davmor2> tedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9442524/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/9442545/
[15:26] <tedg> davmor2, initctl status indicator-sound
[15:26] <davmor2> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ initctl status indicator-sound
[15:26] <davmor2> indicator-sound stop/waiting
[15:27] <tedg> davmor2, Hmm, so rm ~/.cache/upstart/indicator-sound.log && start indicator-sound
[15:27] <davmor2> tedg: give me 2 seconds
[15:28] <tedg> timeout -SIGKILL 2 davmore2
[15:29] <davmor2> no process davmore2
[15:30] <davmor2> tedg: phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ rm .cache/upstart/indicator-sound.log && start indicator-sound
[15:30] <davmor2> indicator-sound start/running, process 5353
[15:30] <tedg> Fixed! KTHXBYE
[15:31] <davmor2> tedg: till I do a fresh install :P
[15:31] <davmor2> tedg: let me reboot and see if it works now
[15:34] <davmor2> tedg: so I think it came back up if I rebooted anyway, so it works now after reboot, but fresh installs has it always like this http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/sound-indicator.png
[15:36] <tedg> davmor2, What image number?
[15:37] <davmor2> tedg: 49 mako
[15:37] <davmor2> tedg: looks like it is only ever the initial boot that plays up
[15:38]  * tedg digs up the changelogs
[15:42] <charles> nik90_, ping
[15:43] <charles> nik90_, I'm trying to test indicator-datetime/disabled-alarms from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/indicator-datetime for https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1387231-honor-x-canonical-disabled-tag/+merge/243938 (yay!) but am hitting a snag in clock-app
[15:43] <charles> nik90_, whenever I hit the enable/disable toggle for an alarm in clock-app in a vivid image, the alarm refuses to toggle
[15:50] <akiva-thinkpad> Ubuntu Q and A going on soon: come join #ubuntu-on-air, and tune into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rODyNKhMqZ8
[15:53] <dholbach> thanks akiva-thinkpad
[15:53] <akiva-thinkpad> dholbach, np !
[16:43] <nik90_> charles: hey
[16:54] <mpt> Does anyone know why the phone asks me if I want to power off every time I unlock?
[16:58] <davmor2> mpt: bug
[16:58] <mpt> Ok … Thought maybe I was unlocking it the wrong way
[17:18] <danrik> sup guys.
[17:18] <danrik> when is the ubuntu phone gonna come out..?
[17:18] <danrik> im still waiting..
[17:18] <popey> "Soon"
[17:19] <danrik> popey, but ...but.. thats what u said the last time.
[17:19] <popey> I know, awesome right?
[17:19] <danrik> popey, nooooooo...:)
[17:21] <danrik> popey, "hope and change" he says...
[17:21] <ogra_> building up the suspense ;)
[17:39] <diddledan> ogra_, suspenders ftw!
[17:39] <ogra_> :D
[17:46] <charles> nik90_, pong
[17:47] <nik90_> charles: hey, are you hitting the toggle issue only with vivid?
[17:47] <charles> nik90_, yeah, it's working for me on 14.10
[17:47] <charles> just not vivid
[17:48] <charles> sounds like you're familiar with this already?
[17:48] <nik90_> charles: Not really...although I do know that lot of people are facing strange issues with alarms in vivid alone
[17:48] <nik90_> charles: for instance, alarms created in the clock app don't show in the indicator-datetime in vivid
[17:49] <nik90_> I am not sure what to do..since I haven't committed anything into the clock app trunk for ages.
[17:49] <charles> nik90_, are you able to use the alarm toggle in clock-app in vivid? If so, what channel/image are you testing with,?
[17:49] <nik90_> charles: I am dogfooding the ubuntu-rtm images and that was my main priority up until now
[17:50] <nik90_> charles: since I have only one device I stick to the currently supported channel
[17:50] <nik90_> charles: if you want, I can switch my phone to vivid and do my testing with it
[17:51] <nik90_> its too much of a hassle to test both channels with one physical device..and the emulator doesn't help either
[17:51] <charles> nik90_, if you don't mind, I'd appreciate it. It would be better to land these fixes in vivid before MPing them to rtm
[17:52] <nik90_> charles: sure I will switch to vivid tonight
[17:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, when you get a chance, can you test rtm silo 2?
[17:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, i couldn't test your last fix since krillin is edge only for me
[18:47] <popey> dbarth: davmor2 known bug where images don't load on 3g in scopes? ahayzen and I confirmed bbc scope broken on 3g
[18:48] <ogra_> stgraber, did you disable the importer ?
[18:48] <ogra_> slangasek, ^^^ or you ?
[18:48]  * ogra_ notes it is commented in crontab
[18:50] <ahayzen> popey, bug 1305838 ?
[18:50] <ahayzen> popey, ... which is now invalid
[18:50] <popey> haha, i even commented on
[18:50] <ahayzen> popey, or .. bug 1357321
[18:51] <ahayzen> popey, the former being much closer to our issue ;)
[18:51] <ogra_> popey, with silo 22 installed ?
[18:51] <popey> no
[18:51] <ogra_> (note thats one of the silos that landed today but didnt make it into any images yet)
[18:51] <popey> silo 16
[18:52] <popey> (powerd)
[18:52] <ogra_> 22 was for the network stuff on scopes iirc
[18:53] <ogra_> just needs an image build
[18:53] <popey> so it's fix0red?
[18:53] <ogra_> supposed to ...
[18:54] <ahayzen> ogra_, yeah silo22 was for that second bug
[18:54] <ogra_> right
[18:54] <popey> ahayzen: fancy installing it and going for a journey on a bus?
[18:54] <popey> ☻
[18:54] <ahayzen> popey, but the silo isn't there anymore?
[18:54]  * ahayzen just looked at the QA trello board
[18:54] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu10~vrtm~5
[18:54] <taiebot> ogra popey:BBC web app when there is no connection is not in english its in  spanish. error de conexion
[18:55] <popey> waaaat
[18:55] <ahayzen> taiebot, lol!
[18:55]  * ogra_ wonders what vrtm is ... *very* rtm ? 
[18:55] <taiebot> this is in vivid but i suppose rtm should be the same
[18:56] <ahayzen> taiebot, i can confirm that
[18:56] <ahayzen> at least the BBC one attempts to give you an error message the youtube one is blank
[19:05] <taiebot> Already posted this on app-devel but i think it would be the best news ever for UT. Has anyone manage to reproduce Joey's Chan App start up time improvement?   https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549
[19:07] <davmor2> popey: yeap old bug
[19:12] <davmor2> popey: ahayzen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1305838 hmmm seems I marked it invalid as it got a fix I wonder if the fix got added to vivid too?
[19:13] <ahayzen> davmor2, we think silo-22 rtm may have just fixed it? which was bug 1357321 ?
[19:13] <ogra_> davmor2, ask Mirv, 22 was his silo iirc
[19:14] <davmor2> popey: looks to be working on rtm so must be Mirv fault :)
[19:14] <Mirv> davmor2: sorry, it was just fixed :(
[19:15] <ogra_> Mirv, in vivid too ?
[19:15] <Mirv> ogra_: vivid 3 weeks ago or so
[19:16] <davmor2> Mirv: shouldn't you be asleep?
[19:16] <Mirv> davmor2: yes
[19:16] <Mirv> I wandered into snappy land too eagerly
[19:17]  * davmor2 pulls the plug and battery out of Mirv laptop
[19:17] <davmor2> Mirv: hahahaha
[19:17]  * Mirv has integrated battery \o/
[19:17] <davmor2> Mirv: it is fun to play with
[19:17] <Mirv> davmor2: it's should be banned to put so much power into cloud newbie's hands like mine
[19:18]  * davmor2 has a big hammer I'm sure I can remove the integrated battery for you
[19:18] <davmor2> Mirv: hahaha
[19:19] <Mirv> ahayzen: you can simply apt update apt upgrade on rtm now that the silo 022 went into archives
[19:19] <ahayzen> Mirv, ah cool thanks :)
[19:20] <Mirv> ogra_: "vrtm" was "damn I used already so many letters in these ~20 rebuilds piling up patches and fixing test errors, need to add some prefix"
[19:21] <Mirv> I think I was using ~utopic~test or something and needed to go higher than that but drop the utopic to avoid confusion
[19:21]  * Mirv leaves seeing davmor2 approaching with that nasty hammer
[19:23] <ahayzen> ..is it bad if the images still don't load?
[19:28] <Mirv> ahayzen: if you upgraded, got the bunch of qt packages with ~vrtm5 version and rebooted, some scenarios should be fixed like being on wifi and going out if its reach etc.. but there might be bugs in eg scopes themselves et cetera
[19:29] <ahayzen> Mirv, i upgrade and rebooted... turned the WiFi off (so 3g only) then tried to load something the scopes (BBC/youtube) and no images are shown (other than already cached ones)
[19:31] <ahayzen> Mirv, is there a package i can check the version of to ensure i'm on the latest?
[19:31] <Mirv> ahayzen: :( the scope devs might need to look into that now that Qt should behave correctly even when an app keeps the Qt connection alive
[19:31] <ahayzen> :(
[19:31] <Mirv> ahayzen: libqt5network5
[19:32] <ahayzen> Mirv, Installed: 5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu10~vrtm~5
[19:32] <Mirv> ahayzen: yes, it's the new one
[19:32] <ahayzen> damn ... so do we report a new bug? open that really old one that got closed?
[19:33] <ahayzen> this one described it the best bug 1305838
[19:33] <Mirv> ahayzen: I'd say open the old bug, referring to the fix now done on Qt side
[19:33] <Mirv> and mention that it was never fixed really (maybe confusion comes from cached/non-cached images)
[19:34] <ahayzen> Mirv, cool will do :)
[19:34] <ahayzen> yeah the caching doesn't help
[19:34] <Mirv> ahayzen: to test cache cleaning you can try rm -rf ~/.cache/unity8-dash/
[19:34] <Mirv> and pull down to refresh
[19:35] <ahayzen> i get *some* of the images? .. would ^^ clear the cache for all scopes?
[19:35] <ahayzen> oh hang on that dir didn't exist
[19:35] <Mirv> ahayzen: it should. then I have a (really guesswork funny) theory that 3G delays might cause some timeouts in scopes
[19:36] <Mirv> ahayzen: if you used -rf, you wouldn't know if it existed or not before you deleted it :)
[19:36] <ahayzen> ..but it hasn't reappeared after pull the refresh :)
[19:36] <Mirv> some people reported, if I recall correctly, images loading fine but my 2€/month 256kbit/s capped 3G test SIM loaded just some images
[19:36] <ahayzen> as in the folder
[19:37] <Mirv> it might be in memory temporarily, I don't know. I don't really know much about how the scopes work.
[19:37]  * ahayzen tries restarting
[19:37] <ahayzen> youtube has *nothing*
[19:37]  * Mirv sleep
[19:37] <ahayzen> Mirv, night o/
[19:37] <Mirv> o/
[19:39] <ahayzen> ok so on 3g only the scopes take *forever* to appear after startup
[19:40] <ahayzen> and no images at all
[19:43] <popey> ☹
[19:43] <ahayzen> popey, do you see the same behaviour?
[19:43] <popey> i dont have that ppa installed
[19:44] <ahayzen> popey, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[19:44] <ahayzen> popey, the packages are in the archive
[19:44] <popey> oh
[19:45] <ahayzen> popey, clear your cache and disable wifi if you want a really slow startup lol
[19:45] <popey> hah
[19:47]  * popey dist-upgrades
[19:47] <ahayzen> popey, yeah i should have done that
[19:47] <taiebot> ahayzen: tried on vivid and it works however i lost one scope (weather scope) and cannot bring it back as there is no more search bar for scope management. and yeah startup is far slower.
[19:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, i've lost weather many many times lol
[19:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, so your images worked?
[19:48] <taiebot> yeah on vivid images are loaded on startup on 3g
[19:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, what about if you then filter eg youtube by Music or something?
[19:49] <kenvandine> barry, mind taking a look at my comment on bug 1392051 ?
[19:50] <barry> kenvandine: looking
[19:50] <taiebot> Yeah youtube, cinema and all the rest works on startup
[19:50] <taiebot> even Untappd
[19:51] <taiebot> it feels faster than on wifi, weird..
[19:51] <ahayzen> taiebot, hmm weird...none of mine work :/
[19:52] <ahayzen> taiebot, is it strange if i lost weather as well?
[19:53] <taiebot> Suppose location is not working. Location and bluetooth are very boot dependant
[19:53] <ahayzen> hmm
[19:53] <taiebot> sometimes it works sometimes it does not. :-D
[19:53] <ahayzen> weird thing is SongKick works with images and location
[19:55] <taiebot> Rebooted with wifi on weather app is back.
[19:55] <taiebot> might do a retry on 3g
[19:55] <barry> kenvandine: i'm not sure i like that suggestion. 'not downloading because it's already available' isn't an error condition.  the right way currently to do this would be to call DownloadUpdate(); that's efficient when the update is already downloaded and should send a UpdateDownloaded signal almost immediately.  what you can't do right now is say "i just want to know if the update is already downloaded, but if not, don't download it".
[19:55] <barry> if that's something you want i can suggest ways in the bug to do that
[19:56] <kenvandine> that's what we need
[19:56] <ahayzen> taiebot, that is quite strange i'll try rebooting with 3g still disabled and i'll clear my /var/crash
[19:56] <kenvandine> can't call DownloadUpdate() automatically
[19:56] <kenvandine> barry, i was just trying to avoid breaking the API :)
[19:57] <barry> kenvandine: yeah ;)
[19:57] <taiebot> ahayzen i am on vivid
[19:57] <ahayzen> taiebot, i'm on rtm-proposed
[19:57] <kenvandine> barry, however, the API docs say error_reason is there to tell you why the update isn't downloading
[19:58] <kenvandine> so i could argue that 'downloaded' is a reason why it isn't downloading
[19:58] <kenvandine> but not an error condition :)
[19:58] <popey> grrr I get https://imgur.com/mVmcA7p and then https://imgur.com/31spuW8 every time I go to app scope
[19:58] <ahayzen> popey, i have to wait like 60s and then it makes it
[19:59] <ahayzen> ..still no weather  and no crash logs
[20:01] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scopes-shell/+bug/1373019
[20:01] <popey> fail to see how it's invalid
[20:02] <ahayzen> hah
[20:02] <barry> kenvandine: yeah, the problem is that "downloaded" isn't really a state the client knows about.  when you call DownloadUpdate() it will start the download but if the cached files are still valid and match then it will shortcircuit the actual fetch.  however, several things can happen to invalidate what might look like a successful download, and all these things are rechecked, e.g.: there is no blacklist that invalidates an existing
[20:02] <barry> keyring, checksums all match, the same target update is still the winning path
[20:02] <barry> kenvandine: so even being able to put 'downloaded' in error_rason is tricky
[20:02] <barry> *error_reason
[20:03] <kenvandine> barry, ok, we'll i'm open to solutions
[20:05] <barry> kenvandine: as i'm reading the bug, the problem is that when you leave the panel and return to it, the ui doesn't know that it already received an UpdateAvailableStatus(True, ...)
[20:06] <barry> or maybe that it already received an UpdateDownloaded signal
[20:08] <barry> kenvandine: one possibility, though it might not be acceptable...
[20:09] <barry> kenvandine: if you call ApplyUpdate(), it will reboot the phone to install the update.  however, if the update has *not* yet been downloaded, you will get a Rebooting(False) signal.  if the update has been downloaded, you will get a Rebooting(True) signal, but that's of course a race with the phone actually rebooting.  so you could call ApplyUpdate() and watch for a Rebooting(False) signal and if that's missing, you know the update
[20:09] <barry> wasn't downloaded
[20:12] <kenvandine> yeah, everytime you go to the update page we call CheckForUpdates()
[20:12] <kenvandine> which gets UpdateAvailableStatus
[20:12] <kenvandine> barry, ^^
[20:13] <barry> kenvandine: ack.  of course if auto-downloads is turned off, that only tells you whether an update is available.
[20:14] <kenvandine> we show the download button in that case
[20:14] <kenvandine> which calls DownloadUpdate()
[20:14] <kenvandine> then changes the button to install
[20:14] <barry> kenvandine: so you're trying to avoid showing them the download button again in that case?
[20:14] <kenvandine> right
[20:15] <kenvandine> we want to know it's downloaded and just show install
[20:15] <barry> kenvandine: the only way i can think of doing that with the current api is to cache the UpdateDownloaded signal you'll have gotten the first time, and if you got it, just display install instead of download
[20:15] <kenvandine> if we did some refactoring of the panel, we could cache the model info and mangle it ourselves
[20:16] <kenvandine> but we'd have to also store the version info
[20:16] <kenvandine> so we can tell if the new update has a newer version
[20:18] <barry> kenvandine: yep.
[20:18] <barry> kenvandine: that's the safest thing i think.  maybe not the easiest for y'all though ;)
[20:19] <kenvandine> our code there is rather fragile, it needs some serious refactoring
[20:22] <barry> kenvandine: one possibility would be to add a synchronous method IsRebootable() (with a better spelling) that would just return the value of the (internal) "rebootable" flag.  this would be nearly equivalent to calling ApplyUpdate() and waiting for the Rebooting(is_rebootable) signal, without the pesky side effect of actually doing the reboot
[20:31] <ahayzen> Anyone able to confirm bug 1400854 ?
[20:36] <ahayzen> taiebot, o/ .. i reported a bug for the weather scope bug 1400854
[20:38] <taiebot> ahayzen: trying again to confirm.
[20:38] <ahayzen> taiebot, cool thanks
[20:38] <ahayzen> taiebot, should we report one for the super slow startup on 3g only?
[20:39] <popey> +1
[20:39] <ahayzen> popey, would that be against scopes do you think?
[20:39] <taiebot> ahayzen it shows up now
[20:39] <popey> unity-scopes-shell probably
[20:39] <popey> maybe
[20:39] <ahayzen> taiebot, ugh magic unless the clear of cache is related?
[20:40]  * ahayzen tries again
[20:42] <ahayzen> taiebot, i disabled WiFi and weather channel disappeared first time lol
[20:45] <ahayzen> I reported a bug for the slow startup as well bug 1400864
[20:46] <taiebot> ahayzen tried again and cannot confirm
[20:47] <ahayzen> taiebot, is the weather channel one of your favourite scopes?
[20:47] <taiebot> yep
[20:47] <ahayzen> hmm let me see if it will work for me on 3g
[20:52] <ahayzen> taiebot, ok so the 3rd time it worked
[20:53] <ahayzen> taiebot, the lock screen appeared to freeze as i swiped..and the scopes loaded *much* faster
[21:00] <ahayzen> oh yeah popey do you get this with the BBC scope as well? apparmor="DENIED" operation="mkdir" profile="com.canonical.scopes.bbc_bbc_1.03" name="/usr/local/bbc/" pid=3827 comm="scoperunner" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[21:01] <popey> ahayzen: yes
[21:01] <ahayzen> popey, where do we report bugs for that?
[21:01] <popey> in apparmor maybe?
[21:02] <ahayzen> popey, BBC scope shouldn't be trying to make /usr/local/bbc though?
[21:02] <popey> yeah
[21:02] <ahayzen> popey, surely its the scope itself? as i haven't seen any of the others do the same?
[21:02] <popey> yeah, true.where's dbarth when you need him
[21:03] <ahayzen> popey, are all the canonical scopes just under unity-scopes-shell? i don't see a separate project?
[21:03] <popey> looking
[21:03] <ahayzen> thanks
[21:03] <popey> cwayne: do you know? where does com.canonical.scopes.bbc_bbc_1.03 come from?
[21:17] <taiebot> ahayzen keep rebooting do not seem to reproduce the weather scope problem.
[21:17] <ahayzen> taiebot, if i have only 3g it seems to *sometimes* happen
[21:18] <ahayzen> taiebot, try clearing the cache again and see if it happens then
[21:18] <taiebot> i did with not much more difference.
[21:18] <ahayzen> hmm weird
[21:19] <taiebot> Wonder if we have some corrupt files.
[21:19] <ahayzen> maybe vivid is less random than rtm
[21:19] <ahayzen> maybe .. i have two soundcloud scopes as well
[21:19] <taiebot> this i  have and i can confirm!!
[21:19] <ahayzen> haha
[21:20] <ahayzen> and only 1 appears in the store IIRC so i can't remove them lol
[21:20] <taiebot> +1
[21:21] <ahayzen> ok so my weather channel is now working...so how can i break it again
[21:24] <ahayzen> taiebot, ok so i cleared the unity8-dash cache restarted...and the weather scope is there but in the overview it is invisible?!
[21:25] <taiebot> ahayzen ...rebooting...
[21:25] <ahayzen> taiebot, and the manage scopes of 'all' is really weird like half of them are missing/misplaced
[21:27] <taiebot> wheater app scope is missing :-X
[21:28] <ahayzen> haha
[21:29] <ahayzen> taiebot, i'll add clearing of the cache to the bug description
[21:42] <ahayzen> taiebot, thanks for confirming :)
[21:43] <taiebot> Ahayzen do you know which files are taking lots of space on the device i have 2g of Other files?
[21:44] <ahayzen> taiebot, erm logs, crash files? or the 8gb of music i had ;)
[21:44] <cwayne> popey: no public projects for them yet
[21:44] <taiebot> where are crash files?
[21:44] <ahayzen> taiebot, /var/crash
[21:45] <ahayzen> cwayne, for which project should I report the bug against then?
[21:45] <cwayne> ahayzen: what's the bug?
[21:45] <ahayzen> cwayne, the BBC scope causes this apparmor="DENIED" operation="mkdir" profile="com.canonical.scopes.bbc_bbc_1.03" name="/usr/local/bbc/" pid=3827 comm="scoperunner" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[21:46] <cwayne> ahayzen: i'll take a look, thanks!
[21:46] <ahayzen> cwayne, awesome thanks :)
[21:49] <ahayzen> cwayne, do you work on the weather scope as well?
[21:50] <cwayne> ahayzen: nope, that'd be lp:ubuntu-rest-scopes though
[21:50] <ahayzen> oo
[21:50] <taiebot> Can i just erase logs in /var/log ?
[21:51] <ahayzen> cwayne, i reported this bug 1400854 should it be against that project instead? or shall i leave it against unity-scopes-shell as we aren't sure why it is failing
[21:52] <cwayne> ahayzen: well, that's expected, it's a remote scope
[21:52] <ahayzen> cwayne, no as in the scope doesn't even exist as an option and half of hte others sometimes randomly don't show in the manage scopes page
[21:53] <ahayzen> cwayne, its like they aren't loaded ... and it then *sometimes* works and then picks up the data from 3d
[21:53] <ahayzen> *3g
[21:53] <cwayne> ahayzen: yeah i know, the scope itself only exists on a remote server
[21:53] <cwayne> so if there's no wifi, the phone won't even know it exists, there's no code for it on the phone at all
[21:53] <ahayzen> cwayne, but i have 3g enabled?
[21:53] <cwayne> ah, sorry i'd missed that
[21:54]  * ahayzen should stop touching things incase he breaks anything else