[10:39] <rmg51> Morning
[11:54] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[13:11] <teddy-dbear> and a special shout out to all the power hungry out there
[14:22] <ChinnoDog> power hungry?
[15:16] <teddy-dbear> they won't give up ops :-/
[15:17] <jedijf> oops
[15:36] <teddy-dbear> one down, two to go
[16:04] <ChinnoDog> Is this some kind of crime?
[16:42] <teddy-dbear> just a bit silly
[16:44] <teddy-dbear> unless you want to play kick jthan out ;-)
[17:05] <lazyPower> o/
[17:05] <lazyPower> oh
[17:05] <lazyPower> i'm an op?
[17:05] <lazyPower> O_O
[17:16] <JonathanD> Hi.
[17:18] <teddy-dbear> o/
[17:19] <teddy-dbear> two down, only pleia2 to go
[18:09] <pleia2> I didn't realize someone had opped me either
[18:12] <jthan> lazyPower: WHO ARE YOU?
[18:12] <lazyPower> jthan: I am a mutant hampster sent from teh future across the galaxy to impress and confuse you. how am I doing?
[18:13] <jthan> Meh. College is more confusing than people o the internet
[18:13] <lazyPower> Can be, depends on which course you're referring to
[18:14] <jthan> Well I haven't had time for any fun ones yet :-/
[18:14] <jthan> I'm taking a geography class now that I really enjoy because it's small and discussion based and revolves around the environmental crisis.
[18:16] <teddy-dbear> the world as we know it is back to normal
[18:17] <teddy-dbear> the bear is happy :-D
[18:31] <lvmer> Well this group seems pretty awesome. Is it mostly Philadelphia area?
[18:35] <jthan> Sadly.
[18:35] <jthan> And I only say that because I know for some in further areas where we are not, it is sometimes tough to attend events.
[18:36] <jthan> lvmer: Where abouts do you reside?
[18:36] <lvmer> 10m south of the airport 0.0
[18:36] <jthan> Oh. So Philly.
[18:37] <jthan> Well then you're in luck.
[18:37] <lvmer> coincidentally :)
[18:37] <JonathanD> Hi.
[18:37] <JonathanD> Hey lvmer
[18:37] <JonathanD> lvmer: so we'll see you Saturday the 20th right?
[18:38] <lvmer> that's actually probably a good day
[18:38] <JonathanD> lvmer: the invite has not gone out yet, but there's a linuxy/geeky social thing happening that day.
[18:39] <jthan> I want to go!
[18:39] <lvmer> jonathanD: ah cool
[18:39] <JonathanD> jthan: I'll copy the ML when I send it out.
[18:39] <jthan> I won't actually be home yet.
[18:40] <JonathanD> jthan: oh :(
[18:40] <JonathanD> It'll be 11:30 in Blue Bell. We're getting food, probably around $15 a person.
[18:40] <jthan> I know :-/ Sorry.
[18:40] <lvmer> JonathanD: ah you run the DE group too xD
[18:40] <JonathanD> lvmer: I don't run any groups, I just chill with a lot of them :P
[18:41] <jthan> I used to run the calendar for this group.
[18:41] <jthan> jedijf: btw, still have write access, don't know if that's an issue.
[18:41] <JonathanD> lvmer: I host events that people from various groups go to.
[18:41] <JonathanD> lvmer: like geeknics, and fosscon.
[18:42] <lvmer> ah
[18:42] <jedijf> jthan: only issue is nothing to write to calendar :(
[18:42] <jedijf> jthan: soon though
[18:42] <JonathanD> lvmer: and I sorta help with PLUG too.
[18:43] <JonathanD> lvmer: you should join #plug btw.
[18:43] <jthan> jedijf: Yeah. Mostly did not know if it was a rule that I had to be active to stay on the calendar admin.
[18:43] <lvmer> Maybe newb.... what is plug?
[18:43] <jedijf> jthan: soon you will write Linux holiday get together in Blue Bell
[18:43] <jthan> On that note, I'll be pretty free for time in December/January beyond next week, so if you need anything on the calendar... :-p
[18:45] <JonathanD> lvmer: Philadelphia Linux Users Group.
[18:46] <lvmer> man, really need to get my google skills back in check. I spent a fair amount of time in ubuntu-server and never thought there would be cool groups like this
[18:47] <jthan> That's how we all felt before we found here.
[18:47] <JonathanD> lvmer: there's actually a lot in Philadelphia
[18:47] <JonathanD> and around.
[18:48] <lvmer> YES!
[18:48] <jedijf> lvmer: join the loco
[18:48] <jedijf> launchpad and then grep forums ml etc - get caught up in no time
[18:49] <JonathanD> lvmer: PLUG meets 3 times a month, there's also hive76, a hackerspace.
[18:49] <jedijf> lvmer: start here: http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/
[18:49] <pleia2> recently upgraded to 14.04! ;)
[18:50] <jedijf> and 12.10 is here
[18:50] <lvmer> jedijf: gotcha
[18:50] <jedijf> i need tosend you keys
[18:50] <lvmer> pleia2: how was it, about to do the same
[18:50] <pleia2> lvmer: read the apache upgrade info, otherwise smooth sailing
[18:55] <lvmer> pleia2: gotcha, thanks :)
[18:57] <pleia2> the tl;dr version is that sites-available files need to end in .conf now and my modules got a bit mixed up (had some trouble with mod_rewrite)
[19:24] <mutantturkey> any bread making experience here?
[19:25] <jthan> ChinnoDog and I!
[19:25] <jthan> We used to banter about our bread all the time.
[19:26] <mutantturkey> great
[19:26] <mutantturkey> okay so i tried a batch with a good recipie
[19:26] <mutantturkey> but i think the issue was the yeast
[19:27] <mutantturkey> like, it didn't rise really
[19:27] <jthan> So.. both of us mostly use a live sourdough starter and therefore don't really have to "activate" our yeast.. But, yes... If it didn't rise, probably a time or yeast issue.
[19:27] <jthan> Did you keep it warm?
[19:27] <mutantturkey> how?
[19:27] <mutantturkey> how the heck am i supposed to know what 110 degrees is?
[19:28] <mutantturkey> re: i waited an hour, punched it down and waited again for an hour
[19:28] <mutantturkey> didn't really grow at all
[19:28] <mutantturkey> the result was delicious but very dense bread
[19:28] <jthan> Meh, sometimes the second rise isn't as significant.  Did it bake okay? was it really dense or what?
[19:28] <jthan> Ooh.
[19:28] <jthan> Yeah..
[19:28] <mutantturkey> the first one didn't really risee
[19:28] <jthan> Well, did you keep a warm/moist tea towel over the bowl?
[19:28] <mutantturkey> any tips?
[19:29] <mutantturkey> no what's a tea towel?
[19:29] <mutantturkey> << total noob
[19:29] <jthan> Well, just any towel really. Like.. a dish towel
[19:30] <mutantturkey> yeah
[19:30] <mutantturkey> i used only 1/4 oz packet
[19:30] <jthan> Usually I'd knead my stuff, flop it into the bowl or dish, and then cover it with a moist towel or two even
[19:30] <jthan> This helps it hold some heat and moisture
[19:30] <jthan> How much yeast did it call for?
[19:30] <mutantturkey> but it didn't really rise at all, so i think debugging this bread issue it's probably the yeast
[19:31] <teddy-dbear> matzo
[19:32] <mutantturkey> 25g/1oz fresh yeast or 2 tsp eastblent (quick-rise) dry yeast
[19:32] <mutantturkey> 2 1/4 tsp == 1/4 oz
[19:33] <jthan> It could just be bad yeast
[19:34] <mutantturkey> i just got it !
[19:34] <mutantturkey> maybe it's bad... its best if used by 2016 though
[19:35] <mutantturkey> i think it could be a temperature issue
[19:35] <mutantturkey> like not hot enough to activate it
[19:35] <jthan> Just get a sourdough starter
[19:35] <jthan> That's some good stuff
[19:37] <jedijf> mutantturkey: radiators in your house? my grandmother used to wrap and put the pizzelle dough on top of the radiator - philly rowhome proofbox
[19:37] <mutantturkey> yes yes i do have thouse
[19:37] <mutantturkey> jedijf: row home FTW
[19:37] <mutantturkey> jthan: i am not crazy about sourdough
[19:37] <jedijf> radiator heat for the nose/breathing win
[19:38] <jthan> mutantturkey: if you don't leave it sit as long as recipes call for, it can be pretty mild
[19:38] <mutantturkey> i'm trying a specific swiss recipie my mum makes though
[19:38] <mutantturkey> so
[19:39] <jedijf> ....ask mum
[19:39] <mutantturkey> i did
[19:39] <mutantturkey> she says i'm a fool for trying
[19:40] <mutantturkey> jthan: http://www.thefrugalgirl.com/2010/02/wednesday-baking-troubleshooting-yeast-bread/
[19:40] <mutantturkey> i read on the internet that...
[19:40] <mutantturkey> my dough is too stiff?
[19:40] <mutantturkey> i mean it was pretty stiff i think, the directions says it should be pulling of the bowl when you kneed it
[19:40] <jthan> Yeah, there should be some springiness to it
[19:41] <jthan> I think after you bake it, they mean
[19:43] <mutantturkey> 'to a fairly firm dough whih does no tstick excessively to the hands or the bowl'
[20:15] <ChinnoDog> Meaning not so wet that it sticks to everything.
[20:17] <ChinnoDog> Wet dough will not only stick to everything but if you try to create a freestanding loaf without a mold it will sag until it is flat.
[20:58] <lazyPower> i love kneading dough
[20:58] <lazyPower> its a great way to deal with frustration
[20:58] <lazyPower> just beat it until it submits
[22:12] <JonathanD> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/plug-friends-mas-party-tickets-14889070611
[22:12] <JonathanD> Party Thingy.
[22:24] <rmg51> PACS Saturday :P
[22:25] <waltman> come by afterwards!
[22:27] <rmg51> I'm there till 3pm
[22:28] <rmg51> then I have to head home to relieve the babysitter
[23:35] <waltman> :*
[23:35] <waltman> :(
[23:43] <jthan> just eyes in the night
[23:43] <jthan> :