[05:19] morning peeps [05:52] morning all [05:52] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:38] hi Kilos ThatGraemeGuy [06:39] hi theblazehen [07:08] morning [07:08] So [07:08] I may have bought myself the Galaxy S5 [07:09] Squirm: nice [07:09] * theblazehen is wanting the Jolla phone [07:10] theblazehen: Sailfish OS? [07:10] Squirm: yeah :) [07:10] theblazehen: look at this phone, russian made. Imagine if Amazon had thought of it... http://yotaphone.com/gb-en/ [07:11] oh wow.. I'f that could run salifish os.. <3 [07:11] Why Sailfish? [07:11] Not a fan of the curves though.. [07:12] 'Cause sailfish OS just appeals to me, and it uses standard linux stuff [07:12] Eg. IIRC RPM's for packages, wayland for display [07:12] and has full terminal access [07:12] Basically a sucessor to the N900 in spirit, I guess you could say [07:12] that's cool. It looks like an actual linux OS, not like Android, they stripped it too much [07:13] Although Ubuntu Touch could also be quite cool [07:13] what you mean by "they srripped it too much". Android takes too much of the linux away? Agreed on that [07:13] Yep [07:13] yeah, I don't like the way ubuntu is going however [07:13] With Mir and all that [07:14] You can root it and install Busybox, then you're pretty much back to where you want to be [07:14] Probably most likely to suceed however [07:14] yeah.. You can also on android however [07:14] hi Squirm [07:14] That's what I mean [07:14] Have you seen the videos of the Salifish OS UI? [07:14] hey Kilos [07:14] theblazehen: will gave a look now [07:18] ai! pulled the wrong usb cable [07:18] lol [07:49] hi gremble [07:50] is the house you looking after behaving itself hehe [08:03] only starting on saturday [08:04] good morning [08:06] gi gremble [08:06] hi* [08:08] hi TinuvaMac [08:08] hi [08:08] hi TinuvaMac [08:09] listen to the falling rain, listen to it fall [08:15] It's very nice [08:15] I think I want to make pancakes today [08:18] i love pancakes, make lots and email some [08:19] morning superfly [08:21] hi Kilos [08:24] hi jrgns [08:59] hmm... [09:23] the pro is scared that if he says morning he will be given work to do [09:34] It's true [09:43] hmm... [09:43] GSM network registration timed out [09:43] over and over [09:44] * Kilos needs to investigate this prob [09:44] Eish, could be overloaded? [09:44] 8ta here we come [09:44] When you forget to ssh before you run "poweroff" :( [09:44] i even swopped sims in modem [09:45] no man this is on this pc not ssh to another one [09:45] i dont do all that fancy stuffs [09:45] maybe telkom was doing something [09:45] ya [09:46] i go change sims back [09:46] kk [09:47] ya fixed again, they musta done something [09:48] now ill go rev them for not warning me first [09:48] * Kilos- thunk my modem crashed [09:48] ah [09:50] ai.. === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [09:51] hi Kilos.. [09:51] hi theblazehen [09:51] hehe [09:51] wb [09:51] danke [09:53] and i was busy editting our agenda page [09:53] sigh [09:53] ai [09:53] editing [09:57] ok thats done. i dont know what else to do [10:00] hmm.. reddit.com/r/askreddit/top ? [10:03] haha [10:04] you play with funny things [10:04] id expect bad internet [11:42] hi SilverCode [11:43] hi Kilos === gremble is now known as Guest44961 [13:23] hmm... [13:23] Kilos: hmm..? [13:24] me looks at grembles part/joins [13:24] Anyone here manage to get vagrant running with libvirt as the provider? With ssh? [13:24] Kilos: ah [13:36] good afternoon [13:36] Maaz: coffee on [13:36] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [13:36] Maaz: large [13:37] In a beer mug just for you charl [13:37] Maaz: with rusks [13:37] There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard charl help yourself [13:38] busy playing with kubernetes, amazing stuff [13:40] Coffee's ready for charl! [13:44] Maaz: thanks [13:44] charl: Okay :-) [13:46] hi charl [14:39] wb inetpro plustwo Mzolisto [14:39] wat maak julle [14:41] ... nie baie goed die kant Oom. :( [14:43] Maak julle nie baie goed nie? === gremble_ is now known as gremble [14:43] Do you want to make more things? [14:43] not good [14:44] Oh, not doing well. That sucks [14:44] hi plustwo [14:44] unfortunately, eishkom [14:44] hi Kilos [14:45] hi theblazehen & everybody o/ [14:46] hi plustwo [14:46] o/ charl [14:47] hi charl [14:47] hi theblazehen [14:48] charl: you ever use vagrant? [14:48] yes [14:48] used it just now to deploy this kubernetes stack for testing [14:49] hmm. Used it with libvert before? [14:49] nope not specifically [14:49] I'm trying to use it with libver, and ssh to another machine [14:49] oh, ok.. [14:49] Think I need to patch my ruby or something as far as I can tell [14:49] i mostly just use it locally for testing [14:50] Trying to reinstall the plugin, and the vagrant-libvert gem seems to change what it depends on.. [14:50] ah, ok [14:50] and for that i just let it connect with virtualbox directly [14:50] ah [14:50] i have vmware workstation too but then i have to configure it again [14:50] Wonder if I can let it use kvm over the network, directly.. [14:50] yeah [14:51] I tried to virtualbox once [14:51] it should be possible if you have ssh, but yeah i don't have experience [14:51] never again [14:51] bad exeperience gremble ? [14:51] experience [14:51] charl: yeah, I have the config right. Think something is wrong with the arch runy, or whatever [14:52] Saw an issue on github about it [14:52] Yup. A lot of effort with not much reward [14:52] gremble: yeah. You use kvm now, or what? [14:52] theblazehen: no, I have no need for virtualisation really [14:52] Outside of python virtual environments [14:52] gremble: ah.. You do any dev stuff? [14:52] ah, yeah [14:52] (that I still have to get a hang on) [14:52] that's good enough [14:52] I try not to code much [14:52] :P [14:53] Dislike it [14:53] (which is ironic for someone that really likes computer science) [14:53] no it's for the individual [14:53] everyone is different [14:53] i work as a programmer and even i don't always know if i like it or not [14:53] actually i do rather like programming but software development as a whole is not always fun [14:54] I find it a very inefficient way to solve problems. [14:54] but then that also counts for operations [14:54] coding ?! [14:54] Yup [14:54] why? [14:54] it should be the most efficient, capture the logic in code and let the computer do your work for you [14:55] The act of solving a problem introduces more problems, ie. bugs etcetera [14:55] 'should' [14:55] yes [14:55] iteration and refinement is central to human learning [14:55] Unfortunately humans don't think much like machines [14:55] that counts for everything [14:56] human brains also function like complex computers, just much more complex [14:56] that's why we have trouble going down to basics when we interact with our own technology [14:56] gremble: tried functional programing? lol [14:57] reducing the human mind to a computer is a little reductionist. We are irrational, arbitrary and contradictory [14:57] Everything that a machine cannot be [14:57] theblazehen: a little. I should spend some time doing it since I am working on lambda calculus [14:58] But right now I am deciding on whether I want to nap or work on ibid [14:58] haha [14:59] napbe good methinks, im near there too [15:00] but fixing ibid is also good [15:01] then we find a good fast host for QA and she can come here too [15:02] :P [15:02] maybe we can ask graeme to host it for us [15:02] dankie oom [15:02] Get a small vps :P [15:02] ai! inetpro julle sukkel ne [15:02] hetzner be lekker fast gremble [15:03] ian got a site there or something and its fast [15:03] Kilos: darem nie helemal soos eishkom nie [15:03] Who puts a spellchecker in an IDE >.> [15:04] isnt ide the ribbon cable used on pata drives [15:04] Integrated development environment [15:05] maar ek dink dit is maar hoofsaaklik hulle wat vir ons die probleme veroorsaak, goeie leerkurwes vir almal wat dit moet verduur [15:06] met so bietjie geduld sal ons uiteindelik daar kom [15:07] sjoe hulle se ons kan sukke onderbreekings verwag tot in maart [15:08] goeie leerkurwes vir almal wat stelsels moet aan die gang kry en aan die gang hou met sulke onbeplande onderbrekings [15:08] nee meneer, jy verstaan verkeerd [15:08] drie generators wat herstel moet word [15:08] o? [15:08] ek dink dit gaan nog vyf jaar vat, ten minste [15:08] lol [15:09] inetpro: that long? [15:09] veral as hulle terbienes boot sonder om eers die lubrikasie systeem eers te start [15:09] turbines? [15:09] plustwo: yep, we live in very challenging times [15:10] you don't build a generator in a year or two [15:10] my 200g drive that has elementaryos on died bad with the last power cuts [15:10] ubun tu cant even see it [15:11] but there's a windmill farm....! isn't that suppose to gen some juice? [15:11] jammer oom [15:11] plustwo: see https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4Vq8akCEAA_ow3.jpg [15:11] ya but the farm cant supply more than they have broken [15:12] funny part, we still pay our rates... plus tarrif increases [15:13] thats not for upgrading, thats to build nkandlas [15:13] inetpro: that graph is not very healthy [15:14] nkandla se ****. he must pay back the money [15:14] that is small change when you look at the costs of Eskom generators [15:14] lol [15:15] those armatures alone cost millions [15:15] i can get that info from my boet [15:15] he just smiles now, sitting in rotek head office in dubai [15:16] i just hope we all got power next tuesday night for the re-verification thing [15:17] im still waiting to see your testimonial inetpro [15:17] Kilos: ai, still too many other challenges here... I'll get to that at some point [15:18] im patient, ill wait [15:18] cool [15:18] meanwhile I got gatvol of my weak signal [15:19] 7 days left [15:19] oh my still not fixed? [15:19] went and got myself the Huawei B593s-601 LTE router at Telkom [15:19] rev someone man [15:19] no improvement? [15:20] so far having a stable connection at least [15:20] wow was your old router faulty? [15:20] it's not faster than what I got with the older router but at least is stable, for now [15:20] or the new one just receives a better signal [15:21] like their d-157 usb modem picks up a signal when the d-156 doesnt [15:21] this one has two antennas [15:22] just my luck to have bought the weaker one [15:22] oh you not using a yagi with it? [15:22] have not tried connecting to my antenna on the roof yet [15:23] that should strengthen it lots [15:23] if you get stable connection from the router antennas then the yagi should get you back up to full power again [15:24] you 2 on a router make up a dipole right? [15:24] uh? [15:24] ai! [15:25] Maaz: google dipole antennas [15:25] Kilos: "Dipole antenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna :: "Antenna Here is a Dipole - ARRL" http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/tis/info/pdf/9106023.pdf :: "The Dipole Antenna - What is a dipole Antenna?" http://www.hamuniverse.com/dipoleantenna.html :: "The Dipole Antenna - Antenna Theory" http://www.antenna- [15:25] theory.com/antennas/dipole.php :: "Buckmaster OCF Dipole Antenna - HamCall" http://hamcall.… [15:26] the yagi has a folded dipole as it driven element [15:27] with directors and a reflector at the back [15:27] that's going over me head [15:27] ai! [15:28] at least weve had some rain [15:28] 43mm in last 2 nights [15:31] wow, just had 30mm [15:31] weeds having a field day [15:33] i love ctrl+R in konversation [15:35] oh inetpro heres an antenna example for you [15:36] bunny ears on tv is a dipole [15:36] the outside one is a yagi [15:36] many many times stronger [15:40] at the moment I am happy with slow but steady [15:41] too fast and all data is lost to quickly [15:41] *too quickly [15:42] hahaha [15:58] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/115351-the-frightening-reality-about-eskom.html [15:58] so sad [16:15] wbb. gonna try get elementaryos going again [17:07] engineroom.trackmaven.com/blog/making-a-mockery-of-python this is very cool [17:31] Anyone here familiar with using PyCharm? [19:55] Please don't talk so much. I cannot keep up [20:31] gremble: IIRC charl is [20:33] theblazehen: that has been long since sorted :P If I had to wait for a response here I would wait foreverandever [20:33] :P [20:33] lol.. :p [20:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noop eww.. [20:34] "Int", "String" ?! [20:35] Captials?! [20:35] Have you looked at Rust? [20:35] from Mozilla [20:35] yeah :) [20:35] Pretty good looking language [20:35] Liking it so far [20:35] If you like having your hand held [20:35] :P [20:35] Bit lacking in the crypto departament :( [20:36] It is still a 0.x version though [20:36] lol [20:36] yeah, heard people complain about the outdated docs [20:37] * theblazehen is wondering I'f I should run vagrant locally and connect to VM's with libvert, or run vagrant on the VM host, and access it with SSH... [20:38] It looks like vagrant is a wrapper around a VM [20:38] Never used it so I have no icea [20:38] idea even [20:39] Yeah, not much benefit for pyhton [20:39] for everythng else.. [20:39] vagrant init && vagrant up = new, fully running, VM [20:39] I've always wondered about setting up virtual development environments, but I mainly use C and C++ [20:40] No need for any of that funny business [20:40] you should try it. [20:40] https://docs.vagrantup.com/v2/getting-started/ [20:43] It is really neat technology, but I don't think I will spend much time with it. :P The only software development that I do is mathematical modelling, numerical analysis and apparently an IRC robot