[05:19] <Kilos> morning peeps
[05:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[05:52] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:38] <theblazehen> hi Kilos ThatGraemeGuy
[06:39] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[07:08] <Squirm> morning
[07:08] <Squirm> So
[07:08] <Squirm> I may have bought myself the Galaxy S5
[07:09] <theblazehen> Squirm: nice
[07:09]  * theblazehen is wanting the Jolla phone 
[07:10] <Squirm> theblazehen: Sailfish OS?
[07:10] <theblazehen> Squirm: yeah :)
[07:10] <Squirm> theblazehen: look at this phone, russian made. Imagine if Amazon had thought of it... http://yotaphone.com/gb-en/
[07:11] <theblazehen> oh wow.. I'f that could run salifish os.. <3
[07:11] <Squirm> Why Sailfish?
[07:11] <theblazehen> Not a fan of the curves though..
[07:12] <theblazehen> 'Cause  sailfish OS just appeals to me, and it uses standard linux stuff
[07:12] <theblazehen> Eg. IIRC RPM's for packages, wayland for display
[07:12] <theblazehen> and has full terminal access
[07:12] <theblazehen> Basically a sucessor to the N900 in spirit, I guess you could say
[07:12] <Squirm> that's cool. It looks like an actual linux OS, not like Android, they stripped it too much
[07:13] <Squirm> Although Ubuntu Touch could also be quite cool
[07:13] <theblazehen> what you mean by "they srripped it too much". Android takes too much of the linux away? Agreed on that
[07:13] <Squirm> Yep
[07:13] <theblazehen> yeah, I don't like the way ubuntu is going however
[07:13] <theblazehen> With Mir and all that
[07:14] <Squirm> You can root it and install Busybox, then you're pretty much back to where you want to be
[07:14] <theblazehen> Probably most likely to suceed however
[07:14] <theblazehen> yeah.. You can also on android however
[07:14] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:14] <Squirm> That's what I mean
[07:14] <theblazehen> Have you seen the videos of the Salifish OS UI?
[07:14] <Squirm> hey Kilos
[07:14] <Squirm> theblazehen: will gave a look now
[07:18] <Kilos> ai! pulled the wrong usb cable
[07:18] <Squirm> lol
[07:49] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[07:50] <Kilos> is the house you looking after behaving itself hehe
[08:03] <gremble> only starting on saturday
[08:04] <gremble> good morning
[08:06] <theblazehen> gi gremble
[08:06] <theblazehen> hi*
[08:08] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac 
[08:08] <TinuvaMac> hi
[08:08] <theblazehen> hi TinuvaMac
[08:09] <Kilos> listen to the falling rain, listen to it fall
[08:15] <gremble> It's very nice
[08:15] <gremble> I think I want to make pancakes today
[08:18] <Kilos> i love pancakes, make lots and email some
[08:19] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[08:21] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:24] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[08:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:23] <Kilos> the pro is scared that if he says morning he will be given work to do
[09:34] <gremble> It's true
[09:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:43] <Kilos> GSM network registration timed out
[09:43] <Kilos> over and over
[09:44]  * Kilos needs to investigate this prob
[09:44] <theblazehen> Eish, could be overloaded?
[09:44] <Kilos> 8ta here we come
[09:44] <theblazehen> When you forget to ssh before you run "poweroff" :(
[09:44] <Kilos> i even swopped sims in modem
[09:45] <Kilos> no man this is on this pc not ssh to another one
[09:45] <Kilos> i dont do all that fancy stuffs
[09:45] <Kilos> maybe telkom was doing something
[09:45] <theblazehen> ya
[09:46] <Kilos> i go change sims back
[09:46] <theblazehen> kk
[09:47] <Kilos-> ya fixed again, they musta done something
[09:48] <Kilos-> now ill go rev them for not warning me first
[09:48]  * Kilos- thunk my modem crashed
[09:48] <theblazehen> ah
[09:50] <theblazehen> ai..
[09:51] <theblazehen> hi Kilos..
[09:51] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[09:51] <Kilos> hehe
[09:51] <theblazehen> wb
[09:51] <Kilos> danke
[09:53] <Kilos> and i was busy editting our agenda page
[09:53] <Kilos> sigh
[09:53] <theblazehen> ai
[09:53] <Kilos> editing
[09:57] <Kilos> ok thats done. i dont know what else to do
[10:00] <theblazehen> hmm.. reddit.com/r/askreddit/top ?
[10:03] <Kilos> haha
[10:04] <Kilos> you play with funny things
[10:04] <Kilos> id expect bad internet
[11:42] <Kilos> hi SilverCode 
[11:43] <SilverCode> hi Kilos 
[13:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:23] <theblazehen> Kilos: hmm..?
[13:24] <Kilos> me looks at grembles part/joins
[13:24] <theblazehen> Anyone here manage to get vagrant running with libvirt as the provider? With ssh?
[13:24] <theblazehen> Kilos: ah
[13:36] <charl> good afternoon
[13:36] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:36]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[13:36] <charl> Maaz: large
[13:37] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you charl
[13:37] <charl> Maaz: with rusks
[13:37] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard charl help yourself
[13:38] <charl> busy playing with kubernetes, amazing stuff
[13:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[13:44] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[13:44] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[13:46] <Kilos> hi charl 
[14:39] <Kilos> wb inetpro plustwo Mzolisto 
[14:39] <Kilos> wat maak julle
[14:41] <plustwo> ... nie baie goed die kant Oom. :(
[14:43] <gremble_> Maak julle nie baie goed nie?
[14:43] <gremble> Do you want to make more things?
[14:43] <plustwo> not good
[14:44] <gremble> Oh, not doing well. That sucks
[14:44] <theblazehen> hi plustwo
[14:44] <plustwo> unfortunately, eishkom
[14:44] <charl> hi Kilos 
[14:45] <plustwo> hi theblazehen & everybody o/
[14:46] <charl> hi plustwo 
[14:46] <plustwo> o/ charl
[14:47] <theblazehen> hi charl
[14:47] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[14:48] <theblazehen> charl: you ever use vagrant?
[14:48] <charl> yes
[14:48] <charl> used it just now to deploy this kubernetes stack for testing
[14:49] <theblazehen> hmm. Used it with libvert before?
[14:49] <charl> nope not specifically
[14:49] <theblazehen> I'm trying to use it with libver, and ssh to another machine
[14:49] <theblazehen> oh, ok..
[14:49] <theblazehen> Think I need to patch my ruby or something as far as I can tell
[14:49] <charl> i mostly just use it locally for testing
[14:50] <theblazehen> Trying to reinstall the plugin, and the vagrant-libvert gem seems to change what it depends on..
[14:50] <theblazehen> ah, ok
[14:50] <charl> and for that i just let it connect with virtualbox directly
[14:50] <theblazehen> ah
[14:50] <charl> i have vmware workstation too but then i have to configure it again
[14:50] <theblazehen> Wonder if I can let it use kvm over the network, directly..
[14:50] <theblazehen> yeah
[14:51] <gremble> I tried to virtualbox once
[14:51] <charl> it should be possible if you have ssh, but yeah i don't have experience
[14:51] <gremble> never again
[14:51] <charl> bad exeperience gremble ?
[14:51] <charl> experience
[14:51] <theblazehen> charl: yeah, I have the config right. Think something is wrong with the arch runy, or whatever
[14:52] <theblazehen> Saw an issue on github about it
[14:52] <gremble> Yup. A lot of effort with not much reward
[14:52] <theblazehen> gremble: yeah. You use kvm now, or what?
[14:52] <gremble> theblazehen: no, I have no need for virtualisation really
[14:52] <gremble> Outside of python virtual environments
[14:52] <theblazehen> gremble: ah.. You do any dev stuff?
[14:52] <theblazehen> ah, yeah
[14:52] <gremble> (that I still have to get a hang on)
[14:52] <theblazehen> that's good enough
[14:52] <gremble> I try not to code much
[14:52] <gremble> :P
[14:53] <gremble> Dislike it
[14:53] <gremble> (which is ironic for someone that really likes computer science)
[14:53] <charl> no it's for the individual
[14:53] <charl> everyone is different
[14:53] <charl> i work as a programmer and even i don't always know if i like it or not
[14:53] <charl> actually i do rather like programming but software development as a whole is not always fun
[14:54] <gremble> I find it a very inefficient way to solve problems.
[14:54] <charl> but then that also counts for operations
[14:54] <charl> coding ?!
[14:54] <gremble> Yup
[14:54] <charl> why?
[14:54] <charl> it should be the most efficient, capture the logic in code and let the computer do your work for you
[14:55] <gremble> The act of solving a problem introduces more problems, ie. bugs etcetera
[14:55] <gremble> 'should'
[14:55] <gremble> yes
[14:55] <charl> iteration and refinement is central to human learning
[14:55] <gremble> Unfortunately humans don't think much like machines
[14:55] <charl> that counts for everything
[14:56] <charl> human brains also function like complex computers, just much more complex
[14:56] <charl> that's why we have trouble going down to basics when we interact with our own technology
[14:56] <theblazehen> gremble: tried functional programing? lol
[14:57] <gremble> reducing the human mind to a computer is a little reductionist. We are irrational, arbitrary and contradictory
[14:57] <gremble> Everything that a machine cannot be
[14:57] <gremble> theblazehen: a little. I should spend some time doing it since I am working on lambda calculus
[14:58] <gremble> But right now I am deciding on whether I want to nap or work on ibid
[14:58] <gremble> haha
[14:59] <Kilos> napbe good methinks, im near there too
[15:00] <Kilos> but fixing ibid is also good
[15:01] <Kilos> then we find a good fast host for QA and she can come here too
[15:02] <gremble> :P
[15:02] <Kilos> maybe we can ask graeme to host it for us
[15:02] <inetpro> dankie oom
[15:02] <gremble> Get a small vps :P
[15:02] <Kilos> ai! inetpro julle sukkel ne
[15:02] <Kilos> hetzner be lekker fast gremble 
[15:03] <Kilos> ian got a site there or something and its fast
[15:03] <inetpro> Kilos: darem nie helemal soos eishkom nie
[15:03] <gremble> Who puts a spellchecker in an IDE >.>
[15:04] <Kilos> isnt ide the ribbon cable used on pata drives
[15:04] <gremble> Integrated development environment
[15:05] <inetpro> maar ek dink dit is maar hoofsaaklik hulle wat vir ons die probleme veroorsaak, goeie leerkurwes vir almal wat dit moet verduur
[15:06] <inetpro> met so bietjie geduld sal ons uiteindelik daar kom
[15:07] <Kilos> sjoe hulle se ons kan sukke onderbreekings verwag tot in maart
[15:08] <inetpro> goeie leerkurwes vir almal wat stelsels moet aan die gang kry en aan die gang hou met sulke onbeplande onderbrekings
[15:08] <inetpro> nee meneer, jy verstaan verkeerd
[15:08] <Kilos> drie generators wat herstel moet word
[15:08] <Kilos> o?
[15:08] <inetpro> ek dink dit gaan nog vyf jaar vat, ten minste
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:09] <plustwo> inetpro: that long?
[15:09] <Kilos> veral as hulle terbienes boot sonder om eers die lubrikasie systeem eers te start
[15:09] <Kilos> turbines?
[15:09] <inetpro> plustwo: yep, we live in very challenging times
[15:10] <inetpro> you don't build a generator in a year or two
[15:10] <Kilos> my 200g drive that has elementaryos on died bad with the last power cuts
[15:10] <Kilos> ubun tu cant even see it
[15:11] <plustwo> but there's a windmill farm....! isn't that suppose to gen some juice?
[15:11] <plustwo> jammer oom
[15:11] <inetpro> plustwo: see https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4Vq8akCEAA_ow3.jpg
[15:11] <Kilos> ya but the farm cant supply more than they have broken
[15:12] <plustwo> funny part, we still pay our rates... plus tarrif increases
[15:13] <Kilos> thats not for upgrading, thats to build nkandlas
[15:13] <plustwo> inetpro: that graph is not very healthy
[15:14] <plustwo> nkandla se ****. he must pay back the money
[15:14] <inetpro> that is small change when you look at the costs of Eskom generators
[15:14] <Kilos> lol
[15:15] <Kilos> those armatures alone cost millions
[15:15] <Kilos> i can get that info from my boet
[15:15] <Kilos> he just smiles now, sitting in rotek head office in dubai
[15:16] <Kilos> i just hope we all got power next tuesday night for the re-verification thing
[15:17] <Kilos> im still waiting to see your testimonial inetpro 
[15:17] <inetpro> Kilos: ai, still too many other challenges here... I'll get to that at some point
[15:18] <Kilos> im patient, ill wait
[15:18] <inetpro> cool
[15:18] <inetpro> meanwhile I got gatvol of my weak signal
[15:19] <Kilos> 7 days left
[15:19] <Kilos> oh my still not fixed?
[15:19] <inetpro> went and got myself the Huawei B593s-601 LTE router at Telkom
[15:19] <Kilos> rev someone man
[15:19] <Kilos> no improvement?
[15:20] <inetpro> so far having a stable connection at least
[15:20] <Kilos> wow was your old router faulty?
[15:20] <inetpro> it's not faster than what I got with the older router but at least is stable, for now
[15:20] <Kilos> or the new one just receives a better signal
[15:21] <Kilos> like their d-157 usb modem picks up a signal when the d-156 doesnt
[15:21] <inetpro> this one has two antennas
[15:22] <Kilos> just my luck to have bought the weaker one
[15:22] <Kilos> oh you not using a yagi with it?
[15:22] <inetpro> have not tried connecting to my antenna on the roof yet 
[15:23] <Kilos> that should strengthen it lots
[15:23] <Kilos> if you get stable connection from the router antennas then the yagi should get you back up to full power again
[15:24] <Kilos> you 2 on a router make up a dipole right?
[15:24] <inetpro> uh?
[15:24] <Kilos> ai!
[15:25] <Kilos> Maaz: google dipole antennas
[15:25] <Maaz> Kilos: "Dipole antenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna :: "Antenna Here is a Dipole - ARRL" http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/tis/info/pdf/9106023.pdf :: "The Dipole Antenna - What is a dipole Antenna?" http://www.hamuniverse.com/dipoleantenna.html :: "The Dipole Antenna - Antenna Theory" http://www.antenna-
[15:25] <Maaz> theory.com/antennas/dipole.php :: "Buckmaster OCF Dipole Antenna - HamCall" http://hamcall.…
[15:26] <Kilos> the yagi has a folded dipole as it driven element
[15:27] <Kilos> with directors and a reflector at the back
[15:27] <inetpro> that's going over me head
[15:27] <Kilos> ai!
[15:28] <Kilos> at least weve had some rain
[15:28] <Kilos> 43mm in last 2 nights
[15:31] <inetpro> wow, just had 30mm
[15:31] <Kilos> weeds having a field day
[15:33] <Kilos> i love ctrl+R in konversation
[15:35] <Kilos> oh inetpro heres an antenna example for you
[15:36] <Kilos> bunny ears on tv is a dipole
[15:36] <Kilos> the outside one is a yagi
[15:36] <Kilos> many many times stronger
[15:40] <inetpro> at the moment I am happy with slow but steady
[15:41] <inetpro> too fast and all data is lost to quickly
[15:41] <inetpro> *too quickly
[15:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:58] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/115351-the-frightening-reality-about-eskom.html
[15:58] <Kilos> so sad
[16:15] <Kilos> wbb. gonna try get elementaryos going again
[17:07] <gremble> engineroom.trackmaven.com/blog/making-a-mockery-of-python this is very cool
[17:31] <gremble> Anyone here familiar with using PyCharm?
[19:55] <gremble> Please don't talk so much. I cannot keep up
[20:31] <theblazehen> gremble: IIRC charl is
[20:33] <gremble> theblazehen: that has been long since sorted :P If I had to wait for a response here I would wait foreverandever
[20:33] <gremble> :P
[20:33] <theblazehen> lol.. :p
[20:34] <theblazehen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noop eww..
[20:34] <theblazehen> "Int", "String" ?!
[20:35] <theblazehen> Captials?!
[20:35] <gremble> Have you looked at Rust?
[20:35] <gremble> from Mozilla
[20:35] <theblazehen> yeah :)
[20:35] <gremble> Pretty good looking language
[20:35] <theblazehen> Liking it so far
[20:35] <gremble> If you like having your hand held
[20:35] <gremble> :P
[20:35] <theblazehen> Bit lacking in the crypto departament :(
[20:36] <gremble> It is still a 0.x version though
[20:36] <gremble> lol
[20:36] <theblazehen> yeah, heard people complain about the outdated docs
[20:37]  * theblazehen is wondering I'f I should run vagrant locally and connect to VM's with libvert, or run vagrant on the VM host, and access it with SSH...
[20:38] <gremble> It looks like vagrant is a wrapper around a VM
[20:38] <gremble> Never used it so I have no icea
[20:38] <gremble> idea even
[20:39] <theblazehen> Yeah, not much benefit for pyhton
[20:39] <theblazehen> for everythng else..
[20:39] <theblazehen> vagrant init && vagrant up = new, fully running, VM
[20:39] <gremble> I've always wondered about setting up virtual development environments, but I mainly use C and C++
[20:40] <gremble> No need for any of that funny business
[20:40] <theblazehen> you should try it.
[20:40] <theblazehen> https://docs.vagrantup.com/v2/getting-started/
[20:43] <gremble> It is really neat technology, but I don't think I will spend much time with it. :P The only software development that I do is mathematical modelling, numerical analysis and apparently an IRC robot