[00:35] <TaiChiMustDo> Solve NetworkManager question from earlier on crashing upon adding to systemtray. Appears to be problematic for many. https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=120815#p316954
[02:28] <yahyaa> does anyone have an idea of when the plasma5 will be ready?
[02:29] <valorie> "ready"?
[02:29]  * valorie is using plasma 5 atm, and have been for a few months
[02:29] <valorie> to find out if it is ready for YOU, perhaps try the liveUSB?
[02:29] <yahyaa> the only release i saw is an unstable and unsupported version of it
[02:30] <valorie> we're planning 15.04 to be plasma 5 by default, if that is what you mean
[02:30] <yahyaa> yes
[02:30] <valorie> so about 5 months
[02:32] <yahyaa> ok thanks, I installed the unsupported version, but it could not find my printer, said it was missing a ppd file!
[02:32] <valorie> please file a bug, yahyaa
[02:33] <valorie> that's the point of running a testing version
[02:33] <yahyaa> how should I do that, I already uninstalled it and went back to plasma 4
[02:33] <valorie> I've heard of printing problems both here and in #kde
[02:33] <valorie> oh sad
[02:33] <valorie> filing bugs is an important contribution
[02:34] <yahyaa> no doubt
[03:02] <fossilchan> #userguide
[03:04] <fossilchan> who 0 o
[03:07] <valorie> fossilchan: what are you looking for?
[03:07] <valorie> perhaps alis can help
[03:07] <valorie> !alis | fossilchan
[07:17] <street> t
[07:21] <soee> good morning
[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <alvin> Running plasma5 now. With KDE 4.14.1. If I add the Kubuntu PPA, will I get 4.14.2, or is the PPA not meant for plasma5 users?
[09:34] <street> can someone tell me if kubuntu 14.04 uses grub2 from the install?
[09:35] <valorie> alvin: which kubuntu ppa?
[09:35] <valorie> street: yes, grub2
[09:35] <valorie> for years
[09:35] <valorie> !grub2
[09:35] <alvin> Right. Ehm, backports I think. Let me check.
[09:36] <street> humm
[09:36] <alvin> valorie: No, this one: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[09:37] <alvin> backports is currently used for telepathy. That one too actually. Can I add both and not break plasma5?
[09:37] <lordievader> !info grub2
[09:37] <lordievader> Ah, finally an actual version 2 :P
[09:38] <street> thanx
[09:41] <valorie> alvin: I think you would get a warning of incompatable software
[09:41] <street> I lost it after my last update, and wanted to eliminate any conflicts with the packages I installed yesterday
[09:42] <alvin> valorie: In that case, I'll try. I'm already running plasma5, what's a little more risk :-)
[09:42] <valorie> me too, but I can't recall if I have backports or not
[09:42] <valorie> I should
[09:43] <valorie> so far so good with plasma 5 here
[09:44] <street> I received my first error installing updates today. I was a little surprised when I crashed...got it back now
[09:45] <alvin> Looks fine so far. I'm downloading. This morning I noticed that my kernel upgrades aren't getting trough. I let the installer partition, and it made a separate /boot and /boot/EFI. (encrypted LVM). Now I see that /boot is NOT automounted, and apt fails to see that. So, when update-grub runs, it places an initrd on my root volume. I'll have to remember to mount /boot.
[09:45] <valorie> that's a bit odd
[09:45] <valorie> I'm glad I don't have to deal with efi
[09:45] <alvin> This might qualify as a bug. If someone else uses encrypted LVM and notices his /boot is NOT mounted (df), please check.
[09:46] <alvin> valorie: You will in the future.
[09:46] <alvin> You can run from systemd, but not from EFI :-)
[09:47] <street> that seems related to my reboot problem..couldnt find partitions
[09:47] <street> thanx again
[09:47] <lordievader> alvin: How does your /etc/fstab look?
[09:48] <alvin> I'll install and reboot. brb. street, what reboot problem? I must admit I do have problems rebooting, but I didn't know that ahout the /boot partition. Kubuntu does not want to reboot directly. I have to drop to a shell
[09:48] <alvin> lordievader: I'll reboot first and paste it somewhere
[09:51] <alvin> Reboot succeeded. I already see stuff fixed using that PPA. Good!
[09:52] <alvin> The reboot problem I still have is very weird. When rebooting, the pc actually reboots, goes to grub, then shows a blank screen. Then I press Ctrl+Alt+Del, then it reboots, goes to grub and boots normally. Every time. I have to 'reboot twice'.
[09:52] <alvin> !paste
[09:53] <alvin> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9454281/
[09:54] <alvin> I did change stuff. like the /tmp and the names (and especially size) of the LVM volumes. Makes no sense to create a single LVM volume anyway.
[09:55] <lordievader> alvin: The uuid of /boot is correct?
[09:56] <alvin> blkid says it is
[09:56] <alvin> I note that now, /boot and /boot/EFI actually did mount
[09:57] <alvin> I wonder what the problem was. There was an initrd placed on /boot when it was not mounted. I moved it to the correct partition before rebooting and ran update-grub
[12:10] <ahox> Hi, my plasmashell does not register any typing anymore. E.g. opening an plasmoid, say activities, selecting the search box and typing will result in the text appearing in the previous active application
[12:10] <ahox> Any idea what to do?
[12:32] <alvin> ahox: No. Plasma5?
[12:32] <alvin> Any idea where I can find the KDE wallet manager in plasma5?
[12:35] <ahox> alvin, yes
[12:35] <ahox> alvin, kwalletmanager
[12:36] <alvin> ahox: Thx. It was not installed.
[12:46] <alvin> On a related note, what's the package for KDE telepathy. It's not installed either.
[12:49] <alvin> Ok, that's not true. Stupid of me. I was looking for 'telepathy' in the Kmenu while "Instant Messenger Contacts" was staring me in the face in "favorites"
[13:14] <alvin> It looks like plasma5 is missing a status indicator for Instant Messaging. There's a warning however.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:38] <Roey> BluesKaj:  g'morning
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi Roey
[13:40] <Roey> bbiab
[15:17] <morgajel> question for you guys- when you install off a usb stick, have you noticed that your machine never ends up recognizing the optical drive?  I finally get around to trying the optical drive over a year after the initial install and it can't see the drive. no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd, nothing in lshw, and nothing in lspci. http://www.linlap.com/hp_elitebook_8570p says the drive works, and I've physically replaced the drive as well. same results.
[15:17] <morgajel> any thoughts as to what the problem could be?
[15:17] <morgajel> or where else to look?
[15:19] <morgajel> nothing in dmesg either ;/
[15:24] <MarcoPau> hello, I can't have chromium in my own language since a few upgrades. I have the language packages installed and reinstalled to make sure everything went properly. Do you have any hints?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> morgajel, uefi/bios ?
[15:27] <morgajel> BluesKaj: I'm not 100% sure- it's probably whatever was stock with the laptop. any suggestions on figuring out which it is?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> morgajel, how old is the laptop?
[15:28] <morgajel> two years old
[15:30] <BluesKaj> ok then it's definitely uefi , I've had the same problem since I removed windows 8 and installed Windows 7 and Kubuntu
[15:30] <morgajel> looks like bios- no trace of efi in dmesg, but plenty for bios
[15:30] <morgajel> BluesKaj: :/
[15:31] <morgajel> BluesKaj: I take it you didn't find a fix?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> morgajel, the only way I solved it was to install a new GPT partition table over the old one and reinstall both OSs
[15:31] <BluesKaj> gpt from the windows disk management
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ok gotta go for a while ..bbl
[15:32] <morgajel> thanks BluesKaj
[15:32] <morgajel> so basically I'm screwed :/
[16:08] <morgajel> BluesKaj: for the record, it was in legacy bios mode rather than uefi hybrid (with cmd) or uefi native
[16:09] <BluesKaj> morgajel, yes I did the same at first, but got tired of removing the batery for 5mins every time i needed the cdrom detected
[16:09] <BluesKaj> err battery
[16:10] <BluesKaj> so now i just use the usb option in the uefi/bios
[16:11] <BluesKaj> morgajel, I suggest you do the same
[16:12] <BluesKaj> it also helps to have access to a pc that has a working cdrom to transfer files and iso to a usb stick
[16:16] <morgajel> here's the most frustrating part
[16:16] <morgajel> I didn't even need to use it
[16:17] <BluesKaj> didn't need to use the cdrom?
[16:17] <morgajel> I just wasted 3 hours trying to read a disk that my coworker burned for me for a dell disk array; I can mount the iso through the idrac
[16:17] <morgajel> this is the second time in 2 years that I've needed to use it, so I thought I'd try to figure it out since previously I presumed It was a bad drive
[16:18] <morgajel> not a bad drive, just derpy hardware
[16:18] <morgajel> and I don't have the time or resources to reimage my laptop right now
[16:18] <morgajel> I'm trying to get a new vmware cluster up and running before Jan.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> well if you want to restore cdrom access then Is suggest gpt for the windows partition, if you have it installed. GPT keeps better track of hardware and partitions than the old mbr and windows recovery ntfs
[16:22] <morgajel> yeah, it'll probably be a project for January or Feb.
[16:22] <morgajel> thank you for your help though
[16:22] <morgajel> I really appreciate it.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> as soon as you install kubuntu the gpt partiton table reverts to the old msdos version for ext4
[16:23] <BluesKaj> and my cdrom still disappears for a while at times , just not as often :)
[16:24] <BluesKaj> it's not a complete fix, unfortunately
[16:28] <BluesKaj> morgajel, in the meantime I've decided to use usb as a my cdrom substsitute since it's much more reliable in the legacy mode.
[16:31] <BluesKaj> I have 3 usb sticks and they're very inexpensive nowadays, better reliability and much faster transfer speeds than cds
[16:59] <morgajel> BluesKaj: ugh, it's one of THOSE days. copied the ISO from the server to my local machine, vmware won't mount it for windows to use. move it to my linux install, loop mount it there in a place where windows could see it, and while the autoinstaller works, the paths are fubar'd since it's not a real disk.
[17:00] <morgajel> on top of that, using an actual win8 install disk, I was unable to boot off it regardless of bios configuration
[17:00] <morgajel> so everything is failing today
[17:02] <BluesKaj> morgajel, ok maybe secure boot is blocking the bootup, ..try disabling secure boot
[17:03] <morgajel> it was disabled :/
[17:06] <BluesKaj> try the removing the battery for a few mins then opening the bios to see if you can boot off the cdrom
[17:16] <AndersonS01> Boa tarde
[17:17] <AndersonS01> tem alguem que possa me ajudar
[17:17] <AndersonS01> ?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> !br | AndersonS01
[17:18] <AndersonS01> eu  sou novato e não entendo muito
[17:19] <AndersonS01> onde faço isso?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> AndersonS01, ^
[17:20] <AndersonS01> não tem na lista o br
[17:22] <BluesKaj> AndersonS01, English only please or, /j #ubuntu-br or #ubuntu-pt
[17:25] <arthurfiggis> hmm...anyone know their way around ufw particularly well? :) i have a bunch of rules set up to try and allow access from any address coming from 192.168.2.0/24 as a range to port 8200 of my PC, to share out DLNA stuff...but it seems like it's still blocking a lot of connection attempts in the logs?
[19:41] <michael___> Hallo zusammen
[19:47] <michael___> habe eine hdd aus dem kubuntu ausgehängt und habe anscheinen was falsch gemacht, habe auch im google nach antworten gesucht leider ohne erfolg da ich noch zu wenig von linux verstehe und das ist die meldung wo ich beim starten des system bekomme  (The disk drive /home1 is not ready yet or not present. Continue to wait, or press Sto skip mounting or M for manual recovery)
[19:48] <soee> !de
[19:49] <michael___> ok danke für die miteilung
[19:50] <Jef91> is there an easy way I can keep KDE, but purge all the default apps that came with Kubuntu?
[19:55] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who knows how to add a new custom session to lightdm? I added a file in /usr/share/xsessions, but no new item in the login.
[22:43] <keithzg> Hmmph, just saw baloo_file jump to 100% CPU usage and start eating up gigabytes of memory; all hail the new file indexing regime, as broken as the last :P
[22:45] <rberg_> does anyone here use kde telepathy successfully?
[22:47] <rberg_> I am unable to log into a xmpp server that kopete works fine with. ktp has a spinning icon and never connects
[22:50] <keithzg> Hmm I use *telepathy* routinely but never on the desktop these days. I think there's a general telepathy log though? Although kde telepathy IIRC you run a specific other binary to debug.
[22:51] <keithzg> Hmm of course the official freedesktop page is purely gnome-focused: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Debugging/
[22:52] <rberg_> I have been looking in ktp-debugger but I dont see any obvious errors
[22:54] <keithzg> rberg_: and your problem isn't just https://community.kde.org/KTp/Troubleshooting#I_can.27t_connect_jabber_accounts ?
[22:55] <rberg_> I do have a ~/.cache/dbus
[22:55] <rberg_> err dconf I mean
[22:55] <keithzg> Fair enough; and when I actually look I see that this bug was fixed long ago, heh. Time to update the community wiki!
[22:56] <rberg_> I have also removed my iptables rules just to be sure
[22:58] <keithzg> rberg_:Hmm, but the fact that Kopete works fine (on the same PC, I assume?) makes that seem unlikely anyways.
[23:04] <rberg_> yep same machine
[23:04] <rberg_> bonjour works much better without me blocking it :)
[23:04] <keithzg> rberg_: Wireshark time?
[23:05] <rberg_> thats a idea, I have never used wireshark.. is it anything like tcpdump?
[23:05] <keithzg> Yeah, just a nicer interface mostly, heh.
[23:05] <keithzg> Fairly easy to filter on the fly.
[23:06] <rberg_> cool, I will look into that
[23:11] <rberg_> I see packets going out but not back.. and a error "Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Connection.gabble.jabber.rberg_40XXX_2ecom_2fkde_2dtelepathy_2d498686': no such name""
[23:13] <rberg_> also "tp-qt 0.9.4 WARN: Error parsing config file for connection manager "haze" - introspecting"
[23:33] <nawar> is this the right channel for devs who are working on the plasma 5
[23:34] <valorie> nawar: you probably want #plasma
[23:52] <nawar> cool thanks!