[01:58] <diddledan> jee, brownout just scared the bajeebers out of me
[01:59] <diddledan> the light flickered, my ups chugged and my speakers boomed - it made me jump out of my skin 'cos otherwise it's silent in here
[02:00] <diddledan> just went again
[02:03] <diddledan> funky: http://googleappsupdates.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/new-sparkline-options-in-google-sheets.html
[02:36] <daftykins> D:
[03:12] <diddledan> I need moar rams
[03:12] <diddledan> 8GB just doesn't cut it
[04:53] <mapps> hi all
[04:53] <mapps> whats up
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:31] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:35] <intrbiz> hello
[09:50] <popey> Morning
[09:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Human Rights Day! :-D
[09:51] <MooDoo> morning
[09:52] <bigcalm> JamesTait: happy Wolves LUG xmas meal day
[09:52] <bigcalm> That's the one thing on my mind that's getting me though the day
[09:53] <JamesTait> bigcalm, I think my invitation got lost in the post.
[09:54] <bashrc> morning
[09:55] <bigcalm> JamesTait: come on up if you're free this evening ;)
[09:58] <JamesTait> It's a bit short notice, bigcalm, but thanks for the offer. Besides, I wouldn't want to deprive the Wolves LUGgers of their Xmas pud. ;)
[10:00] <JamesTait> bigcalm, I don't think davmor2 would let me in anyway. ;)
[10:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: I wouldn't let you what?
[10:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: what day is it I missed it rebooting my server
[10:03] <JamesTait> davmor2, you wouldn't let me exercise my human right to eat turkey at the Wolves LUG Christmas dinner. Happy Human Rights Day, btw. ;)
[10:07] <bigcalm> JamesTait: it's a mixed culture buffet :D
[10:07] <popey> Sythesizer Patel!
[10:07] <bigcalm> But, yes, human rights are somewhat important
[10:07] <bigcalm> Who what?
[10:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:09] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:11] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[10:13] <JamesTait> bigcalm, I'll not deprive you and davmor2 of any yummy food this year. But photos would be good. ;)
[10:13] <davmor2> JamesTait: you should come dude you'd be welcome, admittedly we would have to beat you mercilessly
[10:14] <JamesTait> davmor2, but that's normal by now. ;)
[10:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: we'll use holly it adds a christmassy feel ;)
[10:38] <JamesTait> \o/
[10:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: got a cheesy jumper ready for tonight?
[10:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't have one
[10:45] <bigcalm> Boo
[10:46] <davmor2> you do I can tell
[10:46] <bigcalm> :D
[10:46] <bigcalm> It's fitting
[10:46] <bigcalm> So not completely cheesy
[10:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: it might not after eating all that food though right?
[10:49] <bigcalm> <Basil Brush>Boom Boom</Basil Brush>
[10:50] <foobarry> just had the weirdest issue
[10:50] <foobarry> couldn't load a library file with any other user except one, not even root
[10:51] <foobarry> after fannying around for an hour
[10:51] <foobarry> i chmodded the files to another usr
[10:51] <foobarry> and chmodded back again
[10:51] <foobarry> then it worked
[10:51] <foobarry> seems to be some inode corruption
[10:51] <popey> Twilight zone.
[10:51] <foobarry> checked everything. selinux, etc etc
[10:52] <foobarry> fsck seems OK
[10:56] <popey> https://twitter.com/bbcweather/status/542632327982362624
[10:56] <popey> they get all the excitement oop norf
[11:00] <bigcalm> Cii
[11:00] <bigcalm> Coo
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> Caa
[11:02] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04tcg9z is good
[11:03]  * popey youtube-dl's
[11:05] <popey> Someone should make "Shipping Forecast Simulator 2015"
[11:05] <Laney> to VIOLENT STORM 11
[11:05] <foobarry> youtube-dl works with bbc links?
[11:05] <popey> yes
[11:05] <foobarry> :0
[11:05] <foobarry> so why we need ipaler-dl?
[11:05] <foobarry> for the pvr stuff that i don't use \o/
[11:06] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9454956/
[11:06] <foobarry> keeps flv?
[11:06] <foobarry> or converts?
[11:06] <popey> it did here
[11:08] <popey> Sandettie Light Vessel Automatic
[12:33] <ThomasRedstone> Hello, I set up Jeja Dup, aka 'Back Up' in Ubuntu, I've set it to exclude '~/.cache' and '~/.dbus', but I still get "Could not back up the following files" errors
[13:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: you'll be able to see the new motor :)
[13:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: got rid of the 407?
[13:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap we needed something heavier for the new caravan :)
[13:10] <davmor2> the tow weight on a 407 is abysmal
[13:10] <bigcalm> Considering that the 407 is quite a large car to begin with, I'm guessing you have a silly sized caravan
[13:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: nope
[13:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: you did have the under powered version of the 407
[13:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: what have you gone for then?
[13:11] <davmor2> 407 tow weight max ie your car is only 1500kg mine is 1800 and the van is 1500 which give me a nice 300kg buffer
[13:12] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[13:12] <bigcalm> I don't go in for towing large things :)
[13:12] <bigcalm> In fact, my 407 lacks a tow bar/ball
[13:12] <bigcalm> Hayley's Matrix has that and was good enough to move house with
[13:43] <DJones> davmor2: What car have you got now?
[13:44] <davmor2> DJones: Skoda Superb Tow car of the year \o/
[13:44] <shauno> see, I got half way through that before I realised the 407 wasn't authentication required.
[13:44] <DJones> I used to have a Kia Sedonna for towing, car weight 2500kgs, could tow anything with that, but fuel consumption was almost at the gallons per mile ratio
[13:47] <davmor2> DJones: yeah this is just a bog standard saloon/hatchback 1800 tow weight and we went from Tenby to Wolverhampton on m4 m5 m6 and use a little over half a tank so I was pretty impressed with that
[13:50] <davmor2> DJones: we got that 2015 Adria Altea Trent and spent a week in tenby in the coldest week of november and never had the internal temp drop below 12°c at night with no heating so we were pretty impressed with that :)
[13:51] <DJones> I ended up getting an Insignia estate, I suspect the weights are fairly similar to the superb
[13:52] <DJones> In theory, I can tow about 1600kgs, but would probably stay below 1500kgs which would cover most vans that don't need chelsea tractors anyway
[13:52] <DJones> davmor2: Thats good heat retention
[13:55] <davmor2> DJones: indeed that why we went with the superb the write up was fantastic it's won towcar of the year several time and been runner up for most of the rest and to be honest I can see why :)
[14:07] <DJones> Cars, caravans and towing have come a long way in the last 45 years, my first memory is my grandad towing his caravan with a 1300cc MK1 Escort
[14:09] <DJones> Wives were never allowed to do the driving & towing, although even now my wifes friends are always shocked when she says she tows a caravan as though they don't think she'd be capeable
[14:12] <davmor2> DJones: I can understand why, I mean most people use cars not their wives to tow caravans ;)
[14:12] <DJones> Heh
[14:13] <DJones> Mines good, although if she's had mushy peas or sprouts, the afterburner makes a mess of the caravan :)
[14:15] <davmor2> DJones: haha that's so wrong :)
[15:21] <foobarry> noticing some items on amazon now selling for cheaper than the "lightning deals" were
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> sales weren't as good as they were hoping perhaps
[15:22] <foobarry> or the amazon price rose before the sale
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> isn't that illegal in uk?
[15:23] <foobarry> no
[15:23] <foobarry> amazon prices change all the time
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> item on sale has to be offered for higher price x number of days before sale price
[15:24] <foobarry> http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Galt-1004447-Marble-Racer/product/B00IF5RH6M
[15:25] <foobarry> it was higher for 2 weeks
[15:25] <popey> its only regulated if you call it a "SALE"
[15:31] <foobarry> need to quell my interanl rage after being stitched up at work
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> channel the anger, embrace your dark side.  laxitive chocolate donuts in the canteen....
[15:33] <foobarry> have escalated the issue but struggling to not be annoyed
[15:33] <foobarry> does topcashback work with amazon if you buy from amazon market?
[16:28] <foobarry> new gmail app on my android
[16:30] <intrbiz> foobarry: yeh, had that on my S4 for a month or so, prefer the old one
[16:30] <foobarry> pop by bubble :(
[16:30] <foobarry> *my
[16:36] <diddledan> what's new about it?
[16:37] <foobarry> new UI
[16:37] <diddledan> oh the material makeover?
[16:39] <zmoylan-pi> well if they want to push people to the inbox app they need to make the gmail app worse first :-)
[16:40] <diddledan> they can't do that because businesses aren't allowed to use the "inbox" thing
[16:42] <intrbiz> new UI, material design,  breaks the soft menu button on my S4
[16:42] <intrbiz> in generall looks different and not quite a usable
[16:43] <intrbiz> but could be worse
[16:43] <diddledan> "breaks" it how?
[16:43] <intrbiz> it doesn't work, you have to use the in app menu button
[16:43] <intrbiz> rather than the menu button at the bottom on the screen on the S4
[16:43] <diddledan> it shouldn't be visible in that case then
[17:43] <bujji> popey:hello
[17:44] <daftykins> hey bujji o/
[17:44] <bujji> daftykins:hello daftykins.
[17:45] <bujji> daftykins:shell sccript info please.
[17:46] <daftykins> bujji: do you mean a guide on how to write shell scripts?
[17:46] <bujji> daftykins:advance level
[17:47] <bujji> dafykins:automate some daily tasks with script
[17:47] <daftykins> bujji: go and ask the guys in #bash
[17:48] <bujji> daftykins:okey
[17:48] <bujji> daftykins:can you please tell me about /etc/hosts.
[17:49] <daftykins> bujji: i would prefer that you used your own native language channel for questions - or even researched for yourself.
[17:50] <daftykins> you need to be a lot more specific with your questions if you want something better than a google search could have provided
[17:51] <bujji> i read someting about that..
[20:06] <daftykins> huzzah, popped in the new switch at last https://www.dropbox.com/s/olhm2wbmh1055v2/IMG_20141210_193520.jpg?dl=0
[20:06] <daftykins> please excuse my lovely dark pictures
[21:34] <diddledan> daftykins, +1
[21:42] <Zach> Hi
[21:43] <Guest47327> Hello?
[21:43] <diddledan> activestate are still plugging away... http://kopy.io/ (they're the dudes behind the activeperl compile of perl for windows)
[21:44] <Guest47327> Help??
[21:44] <diddledan> hello Guest47327
[21:44] <Guest47327> Hi
[21:46] <Guest47327> My ubuntu computer is really slow but the specs are good everything is goo its just lags
[21:46] <Guest47327> diddledan:  i need some help
[21:47] <Guest47327> Can Anybody HELP ME??
[21:48] <diddledan> Guest47327, you cacn try running top in a terminal to see if there's anything evidently using a lot of cpu
[21:48] <diddledan> can*
[21:48] <Guest47327> its so laggy i cant do that
[21:48] <Guest47327> diddledan:
[21:50] <diddledan> if the system is unresponsive then we can't work out why - all we can do is restart it
[21:51] <Guest47327> diddledan:  i tried that but im running on 12.04
[21:51] <Guest47327> 32 bit
[21:51] <diddledan> eh?
[21:51] <diddledan> why is that a problem?
[21:52] <Guest47327> no i just wanna know why it could be laggy?
[21:52] <diddledan> you said you tried rebooting but you're running 12.04 - why is running 12.04 a factor in rebooting?
[21:53] <Guest47327> i don tknow
[21:57] <diddledan> as to what would cause it - we need to find out if something is using your cpu or disc extensively thereby tying up runtime
[21:57] <diddledan> that's why I suggested running top
[21:58] <Guest47327> oh i did run top but i dont understand it
[22:00] <diddledan> the important bit is the lower-half of the window/screen - it's a list of processes sorted by their cpu usage in percent - it's a table with columns, and one of the columns is headed CPU% - look at the top few processes and see what amount of cpu they're using
[22:03] <diddledan> I would have share a screenie helping him if he hadn't left
[22:04] <daftykins> didn't exactly start out as a very good user, in fairness
[22:04] <daftykins> caps and demanding attention.
[22:04] <diddledan> yeah
[22:04] <diddledan> I even annotated the screenie!1!
[22:04] <diddledan> https://mrkr.io/GJ5pBUnZBm
[22:04] <daftykins> ;_;
[22:05] <daftykins> ooh what did you make that with 0o i like the transparency on the text backing
[22:05] <diddledan> it's marker from https://insync.io/
[22:06] <diddledan> it uploads to google docs
[22:06] <daftykins> ooh
[22:16] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FX2d1LamXb0
[22:16] <diddledan> that's how to do christmas decorations
[22:19] <daftykins> oh dear just blipped the vacuum at 10pm, ah well ;)
[23:15] <diddledan> http://www.pcgamer.com/seagate-now-shipping-260-8tb-hdd/
[23:18] <daftykins> that's a pretty good idea
[23:18] <daftykins> probably have a wonderful seagate warranty of 1yr though :P
[23:19] <diddledan> a few years ago a read/write speed of 150MB/s would be amazing
[23:19] <daftykins> i actually made the mistake of disbelieving someone that a single mechanical HDD was up at that speed already
[23:19] <daftykins> granted it's only at the start of the disk though :D
[23:19] <daftykins> in fact i was just reading a benchmark of the 6TB seagate on anandtech