[01:12]  * ianorlin is hoping I don't become homeless but I have my parents living there is a outright hostile environment right now :(
[01:13] <DonkeyHotei> e-hugs to you
[01:14] <ianorlin> not really sure wehre I could stay is an awful feeling
[01:15] <ianorlin> at my brothers house currently but can only stay until saturday
[01:19] <nhaines> ianorlin: rough at the moment, huh?  :(
[01:21] <ianorlin> yes really has been I mean if I am on the phone all that happens is I get yelled at
[01:21] <ianorlin> I don't really think I could survive much if I went back to that
[01:21] <ianorlin> let alone help my parents in any way
[01:21] <DonkeyHotei> do you have any income?
[01:22] <ianorlin> no
[01:22] <DonkeyHotei> :/
[01:22] <nhaines> Well, when push comes to shove your parents are responsible for themselves, so do what you need to take care of yourself.  You have to have your own needs sorted out before you can help others.
[01:22] <nhaines> It's not pleasant but it's worth remembering.  :/
[01:23] <ianorlin> I mean I got yelled at so much for making tiny mistakes I stopped doing stuff because it was too much
[01:24] <blitz> how old are you
[01:24] <ianorlin> 23
[01:24] <ianorlin> and a ucla grad
[01:25] <rww> pleia2: [obligatory boo hiss meetup.com]
[01:25] <rww> now i will leave the meeting free for sane discussion instead
[01:26] <blitz> I have a friend who is in a similar situation, he had to drop out of college to combat crohns and has been at home recovering from surgery for a while now, but he's basically fit enough to appear like he should be working, but not healthy enough to actually work full time. He's taking some classes and his parents are driving him out of the house pretty much. All I can say is I'm sorry you're in that situation
[01:26] <pleia2> rww: yep, that's my reaction too :)
[01:26] <ianorlin> yeah I actually have aspergers syndrome so can't really get past job interview
[01:26] <nhaines> I know people who swear by meetup.com but I just don't understand it at all.  So I'm left to swear at it.
[01:27] <blitz> well, you can work on that
[01:27] <nhaines> ianorlin: don't let that be an excuse.  It's an obsticle but not insurmountable!
[01:27] <blitz> people with autism can get jobs too, it's not a unovercomable thing
[01:27] <ianorlin> I know it is not impossible but difficult for me to find them
[01:27] <blitz> I know I have my fair share of anxiety issues that make landing a job difficult as well
[01:27] <nhaines> Besides, every job interview is just practice for the next one.  I'm *good* at them and I still hate them.
[01:27] <blitz> I'm bad at them but I got better lol
[01:28] <blitz> it took a lot of failures
[01:28] <ianorlin> yes I know I keep trying to get them but it got the point where I couldn't really apply for many jobs at my parents hosue because of bad environment
[01:31] <DonkeyHotei> blitz: autistic people have an estimated 90-95% unemployment rate
[01:32] <ianorlin> what is labor force participation rate anyway
[01:32] <DonkeyHotei> blitz: including plenty of college grads
[01:33]  * ianorlin wonders if my being fidgety is stopping me from getting a job some no matter how smart I am
[01:33] <nhaines> Probably not.  Although another thing to consider is temp agencies.
[01:34] <blitz> DonkeyHotei my point is it is something that you can work on
[01:36] <DonkeyHotei> temp agencies are for an environment where everyone is always looking for their next job, not for one where there is no next job
[01:36] <nhaines> That is not true.
[01:37] <nhaines> I've been temp to hire twice.
[01:37] <blitz> I've also been a contractor
[01:37] <DonkeyHotei> temping is not a career
[01:37] <blitz> stop reading between the lines
[01:38] <pleia2> I did temping too, ended up with a lovely job (and job offer from one that was really meh)
[01:38] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: no, but temping gets you a job, and quite a lot of companies only start new hires as temps because it's cheaper than the full interview and onboarding process.
[01:38] <pleia2> one job was a lot of photocopying and stapling, I was 23, have to start somewhere
[01:39] <pleia2> that was after the tech economy crashed in philly and I couldn't find more webdev work
[01:39]  * pleia2 off to beer and dinner^Wfood
[01:39] <pleia2> (who knows what they will server)
[01:39] <pleia2> -r
[01:40] <nhaines> pleia2: barbecued proc ribs.
[01:40] <DonkeyHotei> <insert sysfs joke here>
[01:42] <nhaines> Anyway, a career is just what you have when you look back at all your jobs.  But if someone needs money, a job will do the time being.
[01:43] <DonkeyHotei> that's a major digression from his issue of not surviving interviews
[01:43] <ianorlin> I think I can do the parts of working ok it the finding job part that is hard
[01:44] <ianorlin> I think that might be true for autistics in general is sometimes they could do good work just they can't get past the hiring process
[01:44] <ianorlin> which in itself is a whole bunch of frustrations
[01:45] <DonkeyHotei> as nhaines said, some companies are opting to bypass the traditional hiring process now
[01:46] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: yes, but I don't think I've ever been interviewed for a temp position.  Just sent in.  If they don't like you they just call the agency after the second day and say "send someone else".
[01:47] <nhaines> So a temp agency as the potention to bypass the interview process.
[01:48] <ianorlin> and what kind of work do you get as a temp
[01:50] <nhaines> Oh, anything.  My first temp job was actually in accounting since I knew Excel and typed 105wpm and about 45wpm on 10-key, however you measure that.
[01:50] <DonkeyHotei> but when temping, the temp agency is your employer, not the company
[01:50] <nhaines> Yes, but it pays the same.
[01:51] <DonkeyHotei> temp agencies here up north take half your pay
[01:52] <nhaines> I believe you'll find that they charge the company for the convenience of handling interviewing, selection, payroll, benefits, insurance, and taxes.
[01:52] <nhaines> If I remember correctly (having seen the paystubs) the company was paying the staffing agency $80 an hour but I was getting more like $19.
[01:53] <nhaines> Not the paystubs.  The invoices from the agency.  Because Accounting.
[02:00] <ianorlin> still even if I do get a job I don't have a place to stay after Saturday :(
[02:01] <DonkeyHotei> do you have a car?
[02:03] <nhaines> ianorlin: you have to work on all of it at once.  No time to work serially.
[02:04] <ianorlin> I have liscense but not sure my dad would take car from me because he doesn't approve
[02:06] <nhaines> Whose name is the car in?
[02:06] <ianorlin> my fathers
[02:08] <nhaines> welp.
[02:09] <nhaines> Then I suppose work quickly is my advice.
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> most people have a support network to fall back on
[02:11] <nhaines> Maybe have a talk with your brother and see if he can help you make a plan.
[02:50] <ianorlin> oh well at least two more jobs applied for and am on third
[02:51] <DonkeyHotei> at least you're qualified to find that many