| Kilos | oh my | 05:36 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | morning you lonely few | 05:36 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning peoples | 06:04 |
| theblazehen | hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy | 06:10 |
| theblazehen | http://www.archdaily.com/9257/pionen-%E2%80%93-white-mountain-albert-france-lanord-architects/ that datacenter... | 06:10 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen ThatGraemeGuy | 06:12 |
| Kilos | i could live there | 06:24 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User | 06:31 |
| Private_User | hi Kilos | 06:33 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: heh, that's what I was thinking.. | 06:41 |
| Kilos | why the big push to get everything in the cloud | 06:42 |
| Kilos | http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/snappy | 06:42 |
| Kilos | Maaz: define KVM | 06:43 |
| Maaz | Kilos: KVM Keyboard, Video, Mouse , KVM Kilobyte Virtual Machine (Java, Sun, MIDP) | 06:43 |
| theblazehen | yeah, I also dislike it myself... The transactionally updated thing is nice | 06:44 |
| theblazehen | Maaz: Bad Maaz! | 06:44 |
| Maaz | theblazehen: *blink* | 06:44 |
| Kilos | so what is that snappy thing actually | 06:44 |
| Kilos | a virtual machine? | 06:44 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: basically if power goes out, or anything bad happens, during an update, then system will be back to how it was before the update | 06:45 |
| theblazehen | And KVM: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware" | 06:45 |
| Kilos | so it similar to virtualbox? | 06:46 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 06:46 |
| Kilos | ty | 06:46 |
| theblazehen | So you can try out snappy in a VM then | 06:46 |
| Kilos | but its only 100m so it cant have much | 06:47 |
| Kilos | no gui etc | 06:47 |
| theblazehen | yeah, of course | 06:47 |
| theblazehen | TIL CRT's make xrays.. | 06:47 |
| Kilos | so like a server nearly | 06:47 |
| theblazehen | the VM is probably a server VM, but this thing will work for all of ubuntu | 06:48 |
| theblazehen | So that's why my CRT says "Low Radiation"... :/ | 06:48 |
| Kilos | but whats the point if you can just install a full os here then | 06:49 |
| Kilos | i miss where things are going and for what reason | 06:50 |
| theblazehen | It's just for people to test it now, without needing to do it on their main ubuntu, as it may still have bugs that could break everything | 06:50 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 06:54 |
| theblazehen | hi Squirm | 06:55 |
| theblazehen | Disadvantages of tiling WM's: I have 18 workspaces, and I lost track of which browser windows s on which workspace | 07:04 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:10 |
| Kilos | thats why i use 10 workspaces on pc pc then each one can have a pile of stuff on it | 07:11 |
| theblazehen | Yeah | 07:12 |
| theblazehen | My 18 all have a bunch of stuff on.. | 07:12 |
| Kilos | i open certain apps in same place everytime so the switcher makes it easier to remember | 07:12 |
| theblazehen | ah, yeah | 07:12 |
| theblazehen | You run kde now, right? | 07:12 |
| Kilos | becomes habit | 07:12 |
| Kilos | ya | 07:12 |
| theblazehen | You try 5? | 07:13 |
| Kilos | and unity and elementaryos | 07:13 |
| theblazehen | ah | 07:13 |
| Kilos | have found how to get to the extra workspaces on elementary yet but saw that it has 9 by default | 07:13 |
| theblazehen | kk | 07:13 |
| Kilos | whats 5? | 07:13 |
| theblazehen | kde 5 | 07:14 |
| Kilos | i just have what came with 14.04 | 07:14 |
| theblazehen | kk. http://askubuntu.com/questions/492599/how-to-install-and-test-kde-plasma-5-on-ubuntu-14-04 if you wanna test. Will use lots of data :( | 07:14 |
| theblazehen | But looks really nice | 07:14 |
| Kilos | and it seems unbreakable so far | 07:14 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 07:15 |
| Kilos | how much is lots of data? | 07:16 |
| Kilos | the whole gui? | 07:16 |
| theblazehen | few hundred mb? yeah | 07:16 |
| Kilos | i might try it on another drive with night surfer if i can stay awake so late | 07:17 |
| theblazehen | kk | 07:17 |
| theblazehen | maybe script it? eg. http://linux.die.net/man/1/at and the sudo apt-get update | 07:18 |
| theblazehen | I mean install | 07:18 |
| Kilos | i have kde on another 1TB drive that i cant use the first 50g | 07:18 |
| theblazehen | ah | 07:18 |
| Kilos | it seems stable so far. kde is very strong | 07:19 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 07:19 |
| Kilos | elementary is hard work for me though | 07:20 |
| Kilos | no desktop | 07:20 |
| theblazehen | why? | 07:20 |
| theblazehen | ah | 07:20 |
| Kilos | i like to see things | 07:20 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 07:20 |
| Kilos | now i have to rsync to Documents and then work from there | 07:21 |
| theblazehen | ya | 07:21 |
| Kilos | weird without a desktop | 07:21 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 07:21 |
| Kilos | but looks nice and clean' | 07:21 |
| Kilos | morning superfly inetpro | 07:22 |
| theblazehen | ya, I also liked it when I had it | 07:22 |
| theblazehen | but then it broke | 07:22 |
| Kilos | i have it on an old drive, and need to recover now and again | 07:23 |
| theblazehen | ai | 07:23 |
| Kilos | must be some badblocks | 07:23 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 07:24 |
| theblazehen | https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gsmartcontrol/ might want to check it's stats with this | 07:24 |
| theblazehen | See how close it is to dying | 07:25 |
| Kilos | ty lemme look | 07:25 |
| Kilos | disk utility says it has a few bad sectors but is ok otherwise | 07:25 |
| theblazehen | ah | 07:26 |
| Kilos | i have commands to check and mark badblocks then fsck adds other bad blocks in memory and doesnt use them | 07:27 |
| theblazehen | ah | 07:27 |
| Kilos | raining hard now | 07:27 |
| * Kilos waits for power to go | 07:28 | |
| * Kilos making microwave baked potato for breakfast | 07:29 | |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:02 |
| Kilos | pro gone again | 08:02 |
| Kilos | and the other 2 havent even appeared today | 08:02 |
| charl | good morning | 08:07 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 08:07 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 08:07 | |
| Kilos | hi charl | 08:07 |
| Kilos | Maaz: coffee please | 08:08 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Sure | 08:08 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! | 08:11 |
| Kilos | Maaz: thanks man | 08:11 |
| Maaz | Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) | 08:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | how do you know Maaz is a man | 08:12 |
| Kilos | Maaz: are you female | 08:17 |
| Maaz | Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot | 08:17 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:17 |
| Kilos | Maaz: are you male | 08:17 |
| Maaz | No. Us Bots are above that human failing | 08:17 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 08:18 |
| Maaz | charl: Sure | 08:18 |
| charl | Kilos: hi | 08:18 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy: would you host an ibid there for us? | 08:25 |
| Kilos | could you | 08:25 |
| Kilos | pretty please | 08:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | eh? | 08:38 |
| plustwo | o/ hi all | 08:45 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 08:46 |
| Kilos | wb plustwo inetpro | 08:47 |
| Kilos | julle sukkel ne | 08:47 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy: same bot as Maaz but upgraded version | 08:48 |
| plustwo | eish, not sure what's causing it now Oom | 08:48 |
| Kilos | busy being sorted now | 08:48 |
| Kilos | plustwo: i see mzo isnt back yet | 08:49 |
| plustwo | i thik he's checking the coordinates of ubuntu-za somehow... lost soul | 08:50 |
| plustwo | s/thik/think | 08:51 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | what's wrong with maaz? | 08:51 |
| Kilos | the other one is a standby for here and full time in my channel. not easy to get hold of the crash kid to get permissions sorted for maaz when we change chairs etc | 08:54 |
| Kilos | maaz is in germany | 08:54 |
| Kilos | and his boss in silicon valley | 08:55 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ah | 08:55 |
| Kilos | hi bduk | 09:07 |
| bduk | More Kilos and others | 09:08 |
| charl | whow there is a lot of awesome being released right now | 09:13 |
| charl | looking at pivotal and mesosphere | 09:13 |
| charl | vmware is also getting in on it now | 09:14 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:16 |
| charl | government internet | 09:34 |
| Kilos | morning gremble | 10:05 |
| Kilos | hmm... actually afternoon | 10:09 |
| Kilos | hi CuttingEdge | 10:20 |
| CuttingEdge | greetings | 10:20 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 10:20 |
| Kilos | hi drussell how things there? we ok methinks | 10:58 |
| Kilos | re-verification next tuesday night | 10:58 |
| gremble | Hey Kilos | 11:01 |
| gremble | he CuttingEdge | 11:01 |
| CuttingEdge | gremble: hey | 11:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :-o | 11:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Surely there aren' | 11:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Surely there aren's 2 people who go by "CuttingEdge"? :-D | 11:11 |
| * ThatGraemeGuy carn't spel | 11:11 | |
| CuttingEdge | ThatGraemeGuy: dude! | 11:11 |
| CuttingEdge | how goes ? | 11:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | can't complain thanks, you? | 11:14 |
| superfly | CuttingEdge: hello! | 11:24 |
| CuttingEdge | ThatGraemeGuy: all good this end too .. just waiting on the december holidays now | 11:25 |
| CuttingEdge | superfly: yo! :P | 11:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | holidays? what's that? | 11:27 |
| CuttingEdge | lol | 11:27 |
| CuttingEdge | well, my previous job/position made it impossible to take leave .. used to phone/email me each day, numerous times | 11:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the fact that I used up all my leave during the leave makes it impossible to take leave | 11:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :-) | 11:28 |
| CuttingEdge | lol | 11:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | but I'm not one for travelling in Dec/Jan and taking leave just to stay home doesn't really work for me | 11:28 |
| CuttingEdge | i normally miss the holiday rush myself .. normally hang onto my leave days for off-peak periods | 11:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you play minetest? | 11:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | could use another addict :-D | 11:34 |
| gremble | Can I play? :o | 11:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | probably, it isn't rocket science :P | 11:35 |
| CuttingEdge | haven't tried it yet | 11:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | I don't play on our local server anymore though, everyone kinda moved on so I moved to a busier place | 11:36 |
| superfly | ThatGraemeGuy: which server are you on? I'll probably pop in from time to time | 11:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | VanessaE's survival server, digitalaudioconcepts.com port 30001 | 11:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | there's some space around my place you can be my neighbour ;-p | 11:40 |
| superfly | haha | 11:42 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you sometimes have low FPS around the spawn area because there are a ton of signs and those are apparently done in a hackish inefficient way, but once you move away from there its normal | 11:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and very rarely laggy at all, even on crappy 3G | 11:43 |
| theblazehen | hi CuttingEdge | 11:46 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: I could host it, I guess.. (the ibid) | 11:46 |
| Kilos | theblazehen: at home? | 11:49 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: nah, on a virtual sevrer | 11:50 |
| theblazehen | server* | 11:50 |
| Kilos | and where is that? | 11:50 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: new york | 11:50 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i don't know what an ibid is | 11:50 |
| Kilos | ibid is a python bot | 11:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ah | 11:51 |
| Kilos | written by the crash kid , the weed and a few others | 11:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | back in my day we used eggdrop | 11:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | is eggdrop even around? :-/ | 11:51 |
| charl | i'm a botmaster on an eggdrop botnet | 11:52 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mmm sort of but not really | 11:52 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | last release 3 years ago | 11:52 |
| theblazehen | I tried to use eggdrop once.. | 11:52 |
| theblazehen | like 6 months ago | 11:52 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | although eggdrop is likely pretty stable by now and IRC doesn't really change | 11:52 |
| charl | well it's still around nevertheless :P | 11:52 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | I wrote a trivia game for eggdrop way back when | 11:52 |
| Kilos | methinks ibid were written for this kinda channel with meetings and tech stuff and so on | 11:52 |
| charl | precisely, look at how frequently irssi gets updated :P | 11:53 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and that other thing as well... CuttingEdge will know, I can't remember | 11:53 |
| charl | there was energymech too | 11:53 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no there wasn't there was only eggdrop | 11:53 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | go away with your blasphemous lies | 11:53 |
| charl | when ? | 11:53 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :-p | 11:53 |
| charl | :D | 11:53 |
| Kilos | haha | 11:53 |
| charl | ja rite :P | 11:53 |
| CuttingEdge | i moved away from eggdrop many years ago | 11:54 |
| CuttingEdge | i do all my own stuff from scratch using PHP :P | 11:54 |
| theblazehen | CuttingEdge: even IRC stuff? | 11:54 |
| CuttingEdge | ThatGraemeGuy: i even wrote a trivia bot, with a mysql backend, that looks similar to your eggdrop variant | 11:54 |
| charl | ah you do PreHistoric Programming... :P | 11:54 |
| CuttingEdge | (but with more functionality, since i'm no TCL fan) | 11:54 |
| CuttingEdge | theblazehen: yeah, even IRC stuff | 11:55 |
| CuttingEdge | charl: oh shoosh .. PHP rocks :P | 11:55 |
| theblazehen | CuttingEdge: ouch | 11:55 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | I can python, but I can't admin a bot | 11:55 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mainly due to my laziness | 11:55 |
| charl | have any of you taken a look at williebot | 11:55 |
| Kilos | i will admin | 11:55 |
| charl | also python based, quite nice | 11:55 |
| charl | i don't run it myself but i use it on a bunch of channels | 11:56 |
| Kilos | theblazehen: are you pushing gremble to get ibid going with python3 | 11:58 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | CuttingEdge: I still have that trivia script | 11:58 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: not yet. | 11:58 |
| Kilos | push push | 11:58 |
| Kilos | dont grumble gremble just fix it | 11:59 |
| CuttingEdge | ThatGraemeGuy: it was pretty good in its day .. still one of the more/most popular eggdrop trivia scripts around | 12:00 |
| charl | eggdrops are bloated though and hard to configure | 12:01 |
| CuttingEdge | the one i wrote, initially just emulated yours | 12:01 |
| charl | *when* it works properly it works but up until that point it's lots of pain and frustration | 12:01 |
| CuttingEdge | charl: i didn't mind eggdrop too much, it was just TCL that drove me nuts | 12:01 |
| charl | tcl is crap indeed, i can remember it | 12:01 |
| charl | used to do some tcp scripting 10 years ago | 12:01 |
| charl | *tcl | 12:01 |
| charl | but you can do fancy things like let the bots communicate with each other over the botnet | 12:02 |
| charl | let them coordinate things etc, very cool stuff for way back then | 12:02 |
| gremble | Kilos: I am working on getting the braai thing implemented first, after that python3 | 12:02 |
| Kilos | good man, keep up the good work | 12:03 |
| Kilos | ill look around here i have a greeter script for the bot that also need tuning | 12:03 |
| CuttingEdge | ThatGraemeGuy: you're welcome to take a look at my variant in action .. would be great to have your feedback | 12:06 |
| theblazehen | Anyone here know basic regex? | 12:08 |
| charl | yes | 12:09 |
| theblazehen | nvm, got my answer.. | 12:09 |
| theblazehen | hi inetpro plustwo | 12:15 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:16 |
| Kilos | shame they battling | 12:16 |
| Kilos | methinks the load shedding broke something | 12:16 |
| theblazehen | probably.. | 12:18 |
| Kilos | i spose half the govt is shouting fix it | 12:25 |
| Kilos | wb gremble | 12:32 |
| theblazehen | Wow, ADSL suddenly really slow.. | 12:44 |
| theblazehen | oh, wait, nvm | 12:45 |
| theblazehen | Just my ubuntu mirror | 12:45 |
| theblazehen | 400 B/s ... :/ | 12:45 |
| Kilos | ouch | 12:47 |
| Kilos | which one you using? | 12:48 |
| theblazehen | za.archive.ubuntu.com | 12:50 |
| Kilos | shout at Symmetria | 12:53 |
| theblazehen | heh, ya | 12:53 |
| Kilos | he getting slack | 12:53 |
| Kilos | i find the neo something one is lekker fast | 12:54 |
| theblazehen | ah, ty | 12:55 |
| Kilos | ubuntu.mirror.neology | 12:55 |
| theblazehen | .com ? | 12:55 |
| Kilos | co.za | 12:55 |
| Kilos | .co.za/ubuntu | 12:56 |
| theblazehen | ah | 12:56 |
| theblazehen | just edit sources.list right? | 12:56 |
| Kilos | yip | 12:56 |
| Kilos | i do it in synaptic | 12:56 |
| theblazehen | ah | 12:56 |
| * theblazehen in vim | 12:56 | |
| Kilos | update manager used to show them and you could choose best mirror now i use synaptic | 12:57 |
| theblazehen | ah | 12:59 |
| charl | turns out virtualbox 3d acceleration is much better on the intel than vmware workstation | 13:00 |
| theblazehen | charl: hmm, thanks for the info... :/ | 13:01 |
| charl | vmware workstation just refuses to enable 3d acceleration unless you have nvidia or radeon | 13:01 |
| theblazehen | You know how good kvm's is? | 13:01 |
| theblazehen | ah | 13:01 |
| charl | unfortunately not i haven't tried that yet but i want to | 13:01 |
| theblazehen | ah, kk | 13:01 |
| charl | problem with kvm is most of the management utilities back when i last tried it were super primitive | 13:01 |
| charl | unless you install something like proxmox | 13:01 |
| charl | i should look it up again | 13:02 |
| charl | maybe there are more options now | 13:02 |
| theblazehen | yeah, used proxmox last time | 13:02 |
| charl | i am almost sure that kvm will be a LOT faster than virtualbox | 13:02 |
| theblazehen | there is ovirt, but wouldn't install on my 4GB USB | 13:02 |
| charl | virtualbox i found is relatively slow compared to vmware | 13:02 |
| theblazehen | ah, kk, ty | 13:02 |
| charl | only the 3d hardware acceleration is better | 13:02 |
| theblazehen | Pity there isn't any vSphere client for linux :( | 13:02 |
| charl | yeah that sucks :( | 13:03 |
| charl | vmware workstation isn't bad though but it's not free or open source | 13:03 |
| charl | not free as in freedom or free as in gratis | 13:03 |
| charl | at work we have licenses though | 13:04 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 13:04 |
| charl | we do a lot with vmware also in the data centre | 13:04 |
| theblazehen | I'm now running plain kvm, so that it's easier to use vagrant with it | 13:04 |
| theblazehen | Have you tried virt-manager? | 13:04 |
| theblazehen | with libvirt | 13:04 |
| charl | yes that was the one i think | 13:06 |
| charl | i'm running the standard virtualbox that comes with ubuntu 14.10 (my host) | 13:08 |
| CuttingEdge | Kilos: i work for neology/multisource, ironically | 13:08 |
| theblazehen | ah | 13:08 |
| theblazehen | Got a seperate host, or is it your main PC? | 13:08 |
| charl | but when i tried to run kubuntu 14.10 as a guest the display didn't work properly | 13:08 |
| theblazehen | I don't like the virtualbox headless stuff.. | 13:08 |
| charl | even after installing guest additions | 13:08 |
| Kilos | great CuttingEdge they are lekker fast | 13:08 |
| charl | it's my main pc | 13:08 |
| charl | xrandr just listed certain standard modes | 13:09 |
| theblazehen | heh, CuttingEdge, your mirror is out of date | 13:09 |
| charl | then i booted mint cinnamon and then mint kde and it works perfectly with the display even from the live cd | 13:09 |
| CuttingEdge | theblazehen: i'll go bitchslap it in a moment | 13:09 |
| theblazehen | charl: did you try and disable the 3d stuff? | 13:09 |
| theblazehen | ty CuttingEdge | 13:09 |
| charl | theblazehen: i had 3d disabled indeed, that wasn't the issue | 13:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 13:09 |
| Kilos | whats out of date theblazehen | 13:10 |
| Kilos | i ungraded from there this morning | 13:10 |
| Kilos | upgraded | 13:10 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: the mirror, so everything is a week old | 13:12 |
| Kilos | oh my | 13:13 |
| Kilos | another early morning coming then | 13:14 |
| charl | pity vagrant does not install distros with guis | 13:15 |
| theblazehen | charl: Can't you just build a box? | 13:15 |
| charl | a vagrantfile you mean ? | 13:19 |
| charl | oh you mean with packer? | 13:20 |
| theblazehen | charl: if packer takes a vm and turns it into a box, then yesa | 13:20 |
| charl | looking at the docs now, there seems to be a headless boolean option | 13:21 |
| charl | it isn't clear to me what that does though, because it's speaking of showing a console of the machine being built not after the machine is built | 13:21 |
| theblazehen | hmm... | 13:22 |
| theblazehen | I know with virtualbox, you can just open VB, then double click on the vm to show console | 13:22 |
| charl | just tried it and did not work for me | 13:31 |
| charl | i just got black screen | 13:31 |
| charl | i installed chef/ubuntu-14.10 | 13:32 |
| theblazehen | charl: I assume that you pressed a key, right? | 13:32 |
| charl | yes i clicked in the black window and pressed all kinds of stuff | 13:35 |
| charl | nothing appeared, just remained a black hole | 13:35 |
| charl | not what i expected | 13:35 |
| Kilos | ai! | 13:39 |
| charl | their internet is as stable as the politics | 13:51 |
| Kilos | lol | 13:54 |
| theblazehen | ai! Trying to use ZA repo's when I'm connected to USA VPN :( | 13:55 |
| theblazehen | And have a 14% packet loss to the VPN | 13:55 |
| theblazehen | I wonder if I can route only certain ports through the VPN? | 13:56 |
| CuttingEdge | theblazehen: mirror should be synced now | 13:56 |
| theblazehen | eg outgoing on port 31337 to go through VPN | 13:57 |
| CuttingEdge | (let me know otherwise) | 13:57 |
| theblazehen | CuttingEdge: ty :) | 13:57 |
| Kilos | nothing here needs upgrading | 13:59 |
| Kilos | so the dev peeps had a weeks holiday | 14:00 |
| CuttingEdge | from what i can tell, the sync happens 9 minutes past every alternating hour | 14:01 |
| Kilos | then it cant be out of date can it? | 14:01 |
| Kilos | or only after 5pm | 14:02 |
| Kilos | CuttingEdge: you came on here about a year ago right? | 14:02 |
| theblazehen | CuttingEdge: was out of date according to an ubuntu mirror list | 14:03 |
| theblazehen | tell me why this is a bad idea: Boot linux, create a raid 1 with a ramdisk and sda, remount root on the raid | 14:10 |
| CuttingEdge | Kilos: more or less, yeah | 14:14 |
| CuttingEdge | i tend to frequent local networks though | 14:15 |
| Kilos | i thought so, there was a guy here a couple of months ago asking for php help and everyone revved him | 14:15 |
| Kilos | i couldnt remember who it was that said they like php | 14:15 |
| Kilos | it was you | 14:16 |
| CuttingEdge | yeah, i do all my 'stuff' in PHP | 14:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | shame | 14:23 |
| charl | lol | 14:27 |
| charl | these days if you admit you still use php you are subject to immediate discrimination | 14:28 |
| charl | then you are a left behind folk :P | 14:28 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:30 |
| CuttingEdge | meh :P | 14:31 |
| charl | lol | 14:31 |
| charl | meh... i think that was his official statement :P | 14:32 |
| charl | on the matter | 14:32 |
| charl | technical elitism ftw | 14:32 |
| magespawn | good evening all | 15:56 |
| digigram | Maaz, re-verification | 15:56 |
| Maaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014 | 15:56 |
| digigram | thank you Maaz | 15:56 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 16:03 |
| magespawn | hi ChanServ | 16:04 |
| magespawn | hi charl | 16:05 |
| magespawn | double tab, and it has been a long day | 16:05 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 16:19 |
| magespawn | hi Kilos | 16:19 |
| Kilos | hi digigram | 16:19 |
| digigram | hey Kilos | 16:20 |
| Kilos | tell him magespawn | 16:20 |
| magespawn | hi digigram | 16:21 |
| digigram | hey magespawn | 16:21 |
| Kilos | tell him magespawn | 16:21 |
| magespawn | tell him what Kilos ? | 16:21 |
| Kilos | hey | 16:21 |
| Kilos | charl can tell him too | 16:22 |
| magespawn | tell who what/ | 16:22 |
| magespawn | ? | 16:22 |
| Kilos | sigh all my hard work for nothing | 16:22 |
| digigram | should I rather use "hi" than "hey" Kilos ? | 16:22 |
| Kilos | yip digigram hey comes out of american ghettos | 16:23 |
| Kilos | too much tv | 16:23 |
| digigram | okay, so is it the American part that bothers you, or the ghettos? | 16:23 |
| Kilos | tv is the most powerful brainwashing tool ever invented | 16:24 |
| Kilos | american | 16:24 |
| Kilos | they mess up everything | 16:24 |
| digigram | so we should abandon all that the Americans came up with? | 16:24 |
| Kilos | wb gremble | 16:24 |
| Kilos | nope | 16:25 |
| Kilos | only the ghetto slang | 16:25 |
| Kilos | not serious man | 16:25 |
| gremble | Pretty much | 16:26 |
| gremble | No more telephones, internet | 16:26 |
| gremble | uh.. Mass production | 16:26 |
| gremble | Atomic weapons | 16:26 |
| gremble | :P | 16:26 |
| gremble | At least we have Kreepy Krawlies and pay-as-you-go | 16:27 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:28 |
| Kilos | and the rooivalk | 16:28 |
| gremble | The russians pioneered helicopters, so I think we would be able to keep it, yes | 16:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:29 |
| gremble | Just can't have electricity | 16:29 |
| gremble | Perhaps DC | 16:29 |
| Kilos | i dunno | 16:30 |
| Kilos | did places like england and holland import the stuff for electrics from america | 16:30 |
| magespawn | sorry Kilos, it has been a rather long day | 16:31 |
| Kilos | np magespawn you getting old too now | 16:31 |
| Kilos | oh alexander graham bell | 16:32 |
| magespawn | hah you still have a few years on me | 16:32 |
| Kilos | thats when they were still good peeps. mr bell only said hey when he saw someone doing something wrong | 16:32 |
| Kilos | you doing your testimonial digigram ? | 16:34 |
| digigram | done 30min ago | 16:34 |
| Kilos | good man ty very much | 16:35 |
| Kilos | yours next magespawn | 16:35 |
| magespawn | yup i am on the page now | 16:35 |
| Kilos | yay | 16:35 |
| Kilos | today be a good day | 16:35 |
| Kilos | just check everything and see if it looks ok to you | 16:36 |
| Kilos | when we did this 2 years ago i couldnt get to see the page even | 16:36 |
| Kilos | poor inetpro got serious probs looks like | 16:42 |
| Kilos | magespawn: how can we become ubuntu members | 16:44 |
| Kilos | we cant contribute the heavy stuffs | 16:45 |
| magespawn | ubuntu members/ | 16:46 |
| magespawn | ? | 16:46 |
| Kilos | i saw somewhere we only got about 5 or 6 | 16:47 |
| Kilos | th weed and neelsie i remember | 16:47 |
| Kilos | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 16:48 |
| magespawn | i think that is for people who officially recognized by Canonical | 16:48 |
| Kilos | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember | 16:48 |
| Kilos | so we gotta soft soap mark? | 16:49 |
| gremble | Does anyone here still play minetest? | 16:51 |
| magespawn | strangely i think that he does not actually have much say | 16:51 |
| Kilos | it eats too much data for 3g peeps gremble | 16:52 |
| Kilos | you can blow 2g in a day | 16:52 |
| magespawn | gremble, i have it going at home | 16:52 |
| magespawn | my kids love it | 16:53 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: What's that you have running? | 16:53 |
| magespawn | minetest | 16:53 |
| gremble | The fridge | 16:53 |
| Kilos | i go eat | 16:54 |
| magespawn | amongst other things | 16:55 |
| gremble | I was hoping there was one of them servers going :P | 16:56 |
| Kilos | oh graemes one must still be running | 16:56 |
| Kilos | you got the link magespawn ? | 16:56 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: ah | 16:56 |
| * theblazehen is running normal minecraft now.. | 16:56 | |
| magespawn | somewhere Kilos | 16:57 |
| Kilos | minecraft isnt free | 16:57 |
| * magespawn goes to look | 16:57 | |
| theblazehen | Kilos: ya | 16:57 |
| Kilos | mt.donaldson.net i think it was | 16:57 |
| Kilos | try that gremble | 16:57 |
| gremble | He plays on another server, mentioned it earlier | 16:59 |
| Kilos | you can go look its where we all played | 16:59 |
| Kilos | just explore | 16:59 |
| Kilos | and its lekker fast | 17:00 |
| Kilos | when im flooded with data ill go play again too | 17:00 |
| gremble | Eh, I'll just play by myself for now :P | 17:06 |
| gremble | There are monsters right? | 17:06 |
| theblazehen | gremble: needs a mod for that | 17:07 |
| Kilos | nope monsters turned off gremble | 17:19 |
| Kilos | go see the homes we built | 17:19 |
| Kilos | below my house there is a transporter pad to different areas | 17:19 |
| Kilos | saves lots of walking | 17:19 |
| Kilos | and below my house id a covered over lake with a place the fly built underwater | 17:21 |
| Kilos | then there is the ship he built | 17:21 |
| Kilos | and the deep | 17:22 |
| Kilos | i dont remember if it was 4 or 5ks down | 17:22 |
| Kilos | magespawn: what do they mean by this | 17:24 |
| Kilos | For contributions that are mostly within the IRC area, you might want to add your application to IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda and attend a meeting there. More information on the specific process at: IRC/Membership | 17:24 |
| Kilos | what kinda contributions | 17:26 |
| magespawn | to become a ubuntu member you have give significant and sustained contribution to ubuntu, irc is recognized as one of the ways to do this | 17:26 |
| magespawn | significant and sustained | 17:27 |
| Kilos | lol i been helped here non stop for 5 years | 17:29 |
| magespawn | i am off for now, might come back later, very zonked | 17:31 |
| Kilos | hi hannolom | 17:39 |
| hannolom | Hi | 17:40 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 17:40 |
| hannolom | thanks | 17:40 |
| hannolom | have anybody installed ubuntu server on a HP proliant dl280 gen3? | 17:41 |
| hannolom | Sorry - have anybody installed ubuntu server on a HP proliant dl380 gen3? | 17:41 |
| superfly | nope | 17:41 |
| theblazehen | hi hannolom | 17:44 |
| hannolom | hello | 17:44 |
| theblazehen | hannolom: having problems, or is this just to check if it works fine ahead of time? | 17:44 |
| hannolom | Having problems | 17:45 |
| theblazehen | Can you describe them? | 17:46 |
| hannolom | long story | 17:46 |
| hannolom | I started installin on a DL380 G4 | 17:46 |
| hannolom | Setup raid5 using HP controller. Boot using Unetbootin and Ubuntu 12.04 | 17:47 |
| hannolom | Install goes trough fine (no errors - picked up the raid and all) | 17:48 |
| hannolom | but on first reboot boots into nothing - no shel nothing. ("Screen say out of range") | 17:49 |
| theblazehen | hmm. Does it show a menu where you can choose Ubuntu, Ubuntu recovery etc.? | 17:49 |
| theblazehen | I think I might be able to get you on the right track, if t=it is what I think it is | 17:50 |
| theblazehen | if it is* | 17:50 |
| hannolom | Nothing - shift on grub does not even work | 17:50 |
| theblazehen | So, that is right after the BIOS, where that hapens? | 17:50 |
| Kilos | ctrl+alt+f? | 17:50 |
| Kilos | f3 sorry | 17:50 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: what's that do? | 17:50 |
| Kilos | goes to cli | 17:50 |
| hannolom | lets see | 17:51 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: I'm assuming ubuntu server, so default is cli | 17:51 |
| Kilos | yip lets hope it wakes up | 17:51 |
| Kilos | 12.04 server worked kiff here | 17:51 |
| theblazehen | hannolom: Can you boot the live environment, modify grubs startup stuff, and append nomodeset to the kernel parameters? | 17:51 |
| hannolom | nope - nothing | 17:52 |
| hannolom | But the story continues | 17:52 |
| Kilos | go on | 17:53 |
| hannolom | So unetbootin gives me the option to install with "ubuntu-desktop" | 17:53 |
| Kilos | ok thats gui | 17:53 |
| hannolom | Reinstalled with that option and it workes - boots into ubuntu desktop | 17:54 |
| hannolom | Now over to the HP DL380 G3 | 17:54 |
| hannolom | I cannot use unetbootin because the G3's does not boot from USB. | 17:55 |
| hannolom | The bootable CD does not give me that option | 17:55 |
| hannolom | After install - same problem as on the G4 - boots into Nothing | 17:55 |
| hannolom | Ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing | 17:56 |
| Kilos | that normally takes you to a command line where you login and give password | 17:57 |
| Kilos | theblazehen: over to you | 17:57 |
| hannolom | nope Screes keeps displaying ("Input not supported") | 17:57 |
| theblazehen | hannolom: the server CD? | 17:58 |
| theblazehen | Can you edit the grub config? | 17:59 |
| theblazehen | Do you have another screen? | 17:59 |
| hannolom | I can try to boot in resque mode? | 17:59 |
| hannolom | Jip - switched screens and same result. | 18:00 |
| theblazehen | Hmm.. What are their maximum resolutions? | 18:00 |
| theblazehen | Does rescue mode work? | 18:00 |
| hannolom | Same result on G3 & G4 - But G4 I could load with the Ubuntu-desktop on initial install | 18:00 |
| hannolom | 1080p | 18:01 |
| theblazehen | Hmm.. | 18:01 |
| hannolom | If I boot with the install CD there is a resque mode that eventually takes me to a shell | 18:01 |
| theblazehen | Yeah, does that work? | 18:02 |
| hannolom | the option on boot says "Resque a broken system" | 18:02 |
| theblazehen | Yeah. Try iy | 18:03 |
| hannolom | cool - busy now | 18:04 |
| theblazehen | Alright | 18:04 |
| hannolom | Sorry if I seem a bit slow - Ubuntu newbie | 18:04 |
| theblazehen | No problem | 18:05 |
| theblazehen | Those screens you tried: different models? | 18:05 |
| theblazehen | No working desktop on the G3? | 18:05 |
| hannolom | Different screens -yes | 18:06 |
| theblazehen | Alright. You have access to rescue mode? | 18:06 |
| hannolom | Got a shell | 18:06 |
| hannolom | now what? | 18:06 |
| theblazehen | Mount the hard drive where Ubuntu is installed | 18:07 |
| hannolom | Purpule screen - says Resque mode at the top and I have a shell at the bottom | 18:07 |
| hannolom | How do I do that? | 18:07 |
| theblazehen | The edit (IIRC) /etc/grub/grub.conf and append nomodeset to the kernel settings | 18:08 |
| hannolom | It did day that the shell will be executed in the drive with grub bootloader | 18:08 |
| theblazehen | Run ls /dev/SD* | 18:08 |
| theblazehen | OK, good | 18:08 |
| theblazehen | Then edit the grub conf | 18:08 |
| hannolom | how can I confirm? | 18:08 |
| theblazehen | No need to mount I believe | 18:08 |
| theblazehen | Run "mount" | 18:08 |
| theblazehen | See if there is an entry for sda or something there | 18:09 |
| theblazehen | See what it says for / | 18:09 |
| hannolom | It says: /dev/mapper/server10--vg--root on / type ext4 | 18:11 |
| hannolom | and much more - too much to type | 18:11 |
| theblazehen | Alright should be good | 18:12 |
| theblazehen | Edit the grub config then, append nomodeset to the kernel arguaments | 18:12 |
| theblazehen | Gotta go, sorry | 18:12 |
| hannolom | cool thanks for the help | 18:13 |
| Kilos | hannolom: did you use the same iso to make the usb stick and the cd | 18:22 |
| hannolom | Same iso file selected for Ubuntu server 12.04 | 18:23 |
| Kilos | i wonder why one gives the option to install the desktrop and the other doesnt | 18:24 |
| hannolom | Nomodeset however hsed to create usb boot and Infra recorder for CD | 18:24 |
| Kilos | what are the servers for? | 18:25 |
| Kilos | the desktop will add some bloat | 18:25 |
| hannolom | Rendering farm (I have 15 in total mix of DL380, Dl360 Gen3 and Gen4) | 18:26 |
| Kilos | just hang here, well see if theblazehen comes back or someone else has a better way of getting to see the command line | 18:28 |
| Kilos | sjoe ThatGraemeGuy you working too hard | 18:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | nope | 18:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | I'm back in ADSLville | 18:33 |
| Kilos | aha | 18:33 |
| Kilos | hannolom: do you ssh to them ? | 18:33 |
| Kilos | or use gui's | 18:34 |
| hannolom | ssh? | 18:34 |
| hannolom | oh sorry remote | 18:34 |
| hannolom | tried - did not work | 18:35 |
| Kilos | and the one with the desktop can you get to that | 18:35 |
| hannolom | the G4 with GUI work both ways | 18:35 |
| hannolom | yip even from windows | 18:36 |
| Kilos | has the desktop not slowed it down too much | 18:36 |
| hannolom | no baseline to compare - but it looks ok | 18:36 |
| Kilos | if not you can install a desktop on the problem one too if it has internet connection | 18:37 |
| hannolom | how? | 18:37 |
| Kilos | command line | 18:37 |
| Kilos | like from the boot cd you can do it | 18:38 |
| hannolom | as in: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop? | 18:38 |
| Kilos | theblazehen: has a lighter kind of interface but he can help wioth that tomorrow or whenever | 18:39 |
| Kilos | thats it | 18:39 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 18:39 |
| Kilos | you might need to mount the drive first, im not sure | 18:39 |
| hannolom | Cool - i'll check in tomorrow and we can try | 18:40 |
| Kilos | try the command quick | 18:41 |
| Kilos | see what it does | 18:41 |
| Kilos | once it is going and you can remote to it im sure you can then remove the desktop | 18:41 |
| hannolom | Out of desperation I'm resinstalling it now - this time I set "nomodeset" in the "F6" option in the installer main meny | 18:43 |
| hannolom | Lets see what that does | 18:43 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:44 |
| magespawn | back | 18:44 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 18:44 |
| magespawn | did not fall asleep | 18:44 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:44 |
| magespawn | any suggestions for ubuntu on a netbook? an ascer aspire one | 18:45 |
| magespawn | currently running lubuntu | 18:45 |
| Kilos | what you mean suggestions | 18:46 |
| digigram | I found mate-desktop to be a good mix between lightweight and functional | 18:46 |
| digigram | lxde on the other hand feels wayyyy to restricted | 18:46 |
| magespawn | for os or just desktop | 18:46 |
| digigram | xfce is also a good mix, I just don't like it, but it's personal | 18:46 |
| Kilos | what do you want out of it magespawn ? | 18:46 |
| Kilos | x is yucky | 18:47 |
| magespawn | i am only using it for light work, network troubleshooting etc, mainly because it has good battery life | 18:47 |
| Kilos | can you use a mac? | 18:47 |
| magespawn | i am using xubuntu on my main machine, but i have changed a lot of the software | 18:47 |
| Kilos | what uibuntu is on it now ? | 18:49 |
| Kilos | ubuntu | 18:49 |
| charl | hey hey | 18:51 |
| charl | i see we are not being allowed to speak gangster here again :P | 18:51 |
| charl | but that's the way i roll | 18:51 |
| charl | they see me rollin', they hatin' | 18:51 |
| magespawn | hey charl | 18:51 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 18:51 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:52 |
| Kilos | magespawn: whats wrong with the ubuntu on it now? | 18:52 |
| magespawn | nothing really, just always looking out for different ways of doing things | 18:53 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:56 |
| Kilos | look at elementaryos | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ubuntu 12.04 with mac look | 18:56 |
| Kilos | very fast | 18:56 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: No recommendation, but an anti-recommendation: Anything with BCM4313 wifi, and if you're using powerVR graphics, then you can only use modesetting graphics (xfce-desktop, with conky is ~15% CPU), or you're stuck with a 2.something kernel, and really outdated Xorg | 19:00 |
| magespawn | cool ty theblazehen | 19:01 |
| theblazehen | so the D270 is a bad idea | 19:01 |
| theblazehen | I'd go for an i3 chromebook myself | 19:01 |
| theblazehen | Do you use a tiling WM? No super key | 19:01 |
| theblazehen | brb | 19:01 |
| Kilos | theblazehen: that guy coming back tomorrow | 19:01 |
| Kilos | you can help him do the i3 thing if his reinstall didnt work | 19:02 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: kk | 19:10 |
| theblazehen | But he's doing the nomodeset at the wrong place :(\ | 19:10 |
| Kilos | shame | 19:10 |
| Kilos | he is totally lost i think | 19:10 |
| theblazehen | ya | 19:10 |
| Kilos | first time linux user | 19:11 |
| theblazehen | hi inetpro | 19:11 |
| theblazehen | Had problems again today? | 19:12 |
| inetpro | hi theblazehen | 19:12 |
| inetpro | yep, these damn power outages finally broke our firewall completely | 19:12 |
| Kilos | eish | 19:12 |
| Kilos | wb goosie | 19:12 |
| inetpro | finally switched to a new one now... just having to finalise a few things still but at least I'm back here now via the new fw | 19:13 |
| theblazehen | ai | 19:13 |
| theblazehen | What about backup power? | 19:13 |
| inetpro | we don't talk about that | 19:14 |
| theblazehen | ah.. :'( | 19:14 |
| magespawn | hardware firewall? | 19:14 |
| inetpro | FreeBSD | 19:14 |
| theblazehen | nice | 19:14 |
| theblazehen | I still wanna learn pf | 19:14 |
| inetpro | me too | 19:14 |
| inetpro | still using old ipfw | 19:14 |
| theblazehen | ah... | 19:15 |
| theblazehen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange my reading (and hopefull, implementation) for the night... | 19:15 |
| inetpro | anyway, good to be back... but can't chat now, sorry guys | 19:15 |
| theblazehen | alright, cya inetpro | 19:15 |
| theblazehen | good luck with the fw | 19:16 |
| inetpro | might still vanish one or two times when finally rebooting at the end to make sure everything comes back after another fail | 19:16 |
| inetpro | thanks theblazehen | 19:16 |
| Kilos | good luck inetpro | 19:17 |
| inetpro | now focusing on squid | 19:17 |
| theblazehen | yay /s | 19:17 |
| inetpro | about time that I upgraded | 19:18 |
| theblazehen | oh, nice, DH is easier than I thought... | 19:19 |
| theblazehen | Can get the symmetric key, and only need to send the public key to each other. Assume the public keys are public knowledge, therefore will be easier to use :D | 19:20 |
| magespawn | theblazehen, pf? | 19:20 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/firewalls-pf.html | 19:21 |
| magespawn | is it better than others in someway? | 19:24 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: afaik the syntax is easier than iptables, not sure about other advantages | 19:25 |
| magespawn | well if it easier to use and just as capable that is a major step in the right direction | 19:26 |
| magespawn | bit of a noobie question, but anyway, does a proxy server have to have two network ports or just be defined as the proxy in the network setup? | 19:30 |
| magespawn | in order to work | 19:30 |
| magespawn | i thought having two or more nic one for the wan side another for the lan would make it quicker maybe | 19:31 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: I did it with one before | 19:31 |
| magespawn | and the performance? | 19:31 |
| theblazehen | with 2 you need to configure it as an intercepting proxy | 19:31 |
| theblazehen | dunno, I only have 100mbit ethernet at home, but it maxed out at ~98 mbit, on a old pentium I had | 19:32 |
| theblazehen | maxing the network out made my dual core 2.1 GHz pentium go up to 7% usage | 19:33 |
| magespawn | i would like to try it to see if there are any performance increases for the local network | 19:34 |
| theblazehen | Why would you expect an increase? Caching? | 19:34 |
| magespawn | yes | 19:34 |
| Kilos | night all of ya. sleep tight | 19:34 |
| magespawn | good night Kilos | 19:35 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: ah, I used 30 GB caching before, not too much increase. Too much stuff uses https... | 19:36 |
| theblazehen | Dunno if you'd be willing to strip the ssl | 19:36 |
| magespawn | no, i dont think that is such a good idea | 19:37 |
| theblazehen | yeah.. | 19:37 |
| magespawn | squid says it supports https though | 19:37 |
| theblazehen | Well it'd still have SSL, just with a different cert, that you install on each pc | 19:38 |
| theblazehen | yeah, but no caching, as it can't read the info | 19:38 |
| magespawn | the company does almost all of its mail through imap from google apps, with the odd one here and there still using pop3 for local storage | 19:40 |
| magespawn | the way intepro feels about ftp is the same way i feel about pop and local storage | 19:40 |
| theblazehen | yeah, they all a bad idea | 19:42 |
| theblazehen | running only imap on my mail server :) | 19:43 |
| magespawn | there is no reason not to when google is your provider, and the sync works so much better | 19:44 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 19:44 |
| theblazehen | cryptography gives me a headache :( | 19:44 |
| theblazehen | or maybe it's just openssl | 19:45 |
| theblazehen | gonna go to bed.. cya magespawn | 19:48 |
| magespawn | me too later theblazehen | 20:00 |
| magespawn | good night all | 20:02 |
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