[05:36] <Kilos> oh my
[05:36] <Kilos> morning you lonely few
[06:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[06:10] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:10] <theblazehen> http://www.archdaily.com/9257/pionen-%E2%80%93-white-mountain-albert-france-lanord-architects/ that datacenter...
[06:12] <Kilos> hi theblazehen ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:24] <Kilos> i could live there
[06:31] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[06:33] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[06:41] <theblazehen> Kilos: heh, that's what I was thinking..
[06:42] <Kilos> why the big push to get everything in the cloud
[06:42] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/snappy
[06:43] <Kilos> Maaz: define KVM
[06:43] <Maaz> Kilos: KVM Keyboard, Video, Mouse , KVM Kilobyte Virtual Machine (Java, Sun, MIDP)
[06:44] <theblazehen> yeah, I also dislike it myself... The transactionally updated thing is nice
[06:44] <theblazehen> Maaz: Bad Maaz!
[06:44] <Maaz> theblazehen: *blink*
[06:44] <Kilos> so what is that snappy thing actually
[06:44] <Kilos> a virtual machine?
[06:45] <theblazehen> Kilos: basically if power goes out, or anything bad happens, during an update, then system will be back to how it was before the update
[06:45] <theblazehen> And KVM: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware"
[06:46] <Kilos> so it similar to virtualbox?
[06:46] <theblazehen> yeah
[06:46] <Kilos> ty
[06:46] <theblazehen> So you can try out snappy in a VM then
[06:47] <Kilos> but its only 100m so it cant have much
[06:47] <Kilos> no gui etc
[06:47] <theblazehen> yeah, of course
[06:47] <theblazehen> TIL CRT's make xrays..
[06:47] <Kilos> so like a server nearly
[06:48] <theblazehen> the VM is probably a server VM, but this thing will work for all of ubuntu
[06:48] <theblazehen> So that's why my CRT says "Low Radiation"... :/
[06:49] <Kilos> but whats the point if you can just install a full os here then
[06:50] <Kilos> i miss where things are going and for what reason
[06:50] <theblazehen> It's just for people to test it now, without needing to do it on their main ubuntu, as it may still have bugs that could break everything
[06:54] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:55] <theblazehen> hi Squirm
[07:04] <theblazehen> Disadvantages of tiling WM's: I have 18 workspaces, and I lost track of which browser windows s on which workspace
[07:10] <Kilos> lol
[07:11] <Kilos> thats why i use 10 workspaces on pc pc then each one can have a pile of stuff on it
[07:12] <theblazehen> Yeah
[07:12] <theblazehen> My 18 all have a bunch of stuff on..
[07:12] <Kilos> i open certain apps in same place everytime so the switcher makes it easier to remember
[07:12] <theblazehen> ah, yeah
[07:12] <theblazehen> You run kde now, right?
[07:12] <Kilos> becomes habit
[07:12] <Kilos> ya
[07:13] <theblazehen> You try 5?
[07:13] <Kilos> and unity and elementaryos
[07:13] <theblazehen> ah
[07:13] <Kilos> have found how to get to the extra workspaces on elementary yet but saw that it has 9 by default
[07:13] <theblazehen> kk
[07:13] <Kilos> whats 5?
[07:14] <theblazehen> kde 5
[07:14] <Kilos> i just have what came with 14.04
[07:14] <theblazehen> kk. http://askubuntu.com/questions/492599/how-to-install-and-test-kde-plasma-5-on-ubuntu-14-04 if you wanna test. Will use lots of data :(
[07:14] <theblazehen> But looks really nice
[07:14] <Kilos> and it seems unbreakable so far
[07:15] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:16] <Kilos> how much is lots of data?
[07:16] <Kilos> the whole gui?
[07:16] <theblazehen> few hundred mb? yeah
[07:17] <Kilos> i might try it on another drive with night surfer if i can stay awake so late
[07:17] <theblazehen> kk
[07:18] <theblazehen> maybe script it? eg. http://linux.die.net/man/1/at and the sudo apt-get update
[07:18] <theblazehen> I mean install
[07:18] <Kilos> i have kde on another 1TB drive that i cant use the first 50g
[07:18] <theblazehen> ah
[07:19] <Kilos> it seems stable so far. kde is very strong
[07:19] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:20] <Kilos> elementary is hard work for me though
[07:20] <Kilos> no desktop
[07:20] <theblazehen> why?
[07:20] <theblazehen> ah
[07:20] <Kilos> i like to see things
[07:20] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:21] <Kilos> now i have to rsync to Documents and then work from there
[07:21] <theblazehen> ya
[07:21] <Kilos> weird without a desktop
[07:21] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:21] <Kilos> but looks nice and clean'
[07:22] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro 
[07:22] <theblazehen> ya, I also liked it when I had it
[07:22] <theblazehen> but then it broke
[07:23] <Kilos> i have it on an old drive, and need to recover now and again
[07:23] <theblazehen> ai
[07:23] <Kilos> must be some badblocks
[07:24] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:24] <theblazehen> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gsmartcontrol/ might want to check it's stats with this
[07:25] <theblazehen> See how close it is to dying
[07:25] <Kilos> ty lemme look
[07:25] <Kilos> disk utility says it has a few bad sectors but is ok otherwise
[07:26] <theblazehen> ah
[07:27] <Kilos> i have commands to check and mark badblocks then fsck adds other bad blocks in memory and doesnt use them
[07:27] <theblazehen> ah
[07:27] <Kilos> raining hard now
[07:28]  * Kilos waits for power to go
[07:29]  * Kilos making microwave baked potato for breakfast
[08:02] <Kilos> ai!
[08:02] <Kilos> pro gone again
[08:02] <Kilos> and the other 2 havent even appeared today
[08:07] <charl> good morning
[08:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:07]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:07] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:08] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[08:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:11] <Kilos> Maaz: thanks man
[08:11] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do you know Maaz is a man
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz: are you female
[08:17] <Maaz> Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot
[08:17] <Kilos> lol
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz: are you male
[08:17] <Maaz> No. Us Bots are above that human failing
[08:18] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:18] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:18] <charl> Kilos: hi
[08:25] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: would you host an ibid there for us?
[08:25] <Kilos> could you
[08:25] <Kilos> pretty please
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[08:45] <plustwo> o/ hi all
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:47] <Kilos> wb plustwo inetpro 
[08:47] <Kilos> julle sukkel ne
[08:48] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: same bot as Maaz but upgraded version
[08:48] <plustwo> eish, not sure what's causing it now Oom
[08:48] <Kilos> busy being sorted now 
[08:49] <Kilos> plustwo: i see mzo isnt back yet
[08:50] <plustwo> i thik he's checking the coordinates of ubuntu-za somehow... lost soul
[08:51] <plustwo> s/thik/think
[08:51] <Kilos> lol
[08:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's wrong with maaz?
[08:54] <Kilos> the other one is a standby for here and full time in my channel. not easy to get hold of the crash kid to get permissions sorted for maaz when we change chairs etc
[08:54] <Kilos> maaz is in germany
[08:55] <Kilos> and his boss in silicon valley
[08:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[09:07] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[09:08] <bduk> More Kilos  and others
[09:13] <charl> whow there is a lot of awesome being released right now
[09:13] <charl> looking at pivotal and mesosphere
[09:14] <charl> vmware is also getting in on it now
[09:16] <Kilos> ai!
[09:34] <charl> government internet
[10:05] <Kilos> morning gremble 
[10:09] <Kilos> hmm... actually afternoon
[10:20] <Kilos> hi CuttingEdge 
[10:20] <CuttingEdge> greetings
[10:20] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:58] <Kilos> hi drussell how things there? we ok methinks
[10:58] <Kilos> re-verification next tuesday night
[11:01] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[11:01] <gremble> he CuttingEdge 
[11:02] <CuttingEdge> gremble: hey
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> Surely there aren'
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> Surely there aren's 2 people who go by "CuttingEdge"? :-D
[11:11]  * ThatGraemeGuy carn't spel
[11:11] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: dude!
[11:11] <CuttingEdge> how goes ?
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't complain thanks, you?
[11:24] <superfly> CuttingEdge: hello!
[11:25] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: all good this end too .. just waiting on the december holidays now
[11:25] <CuttingEdge> superfly: yo! :P
[11:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> holidays? what's that?
[11:27] <CuttingEdge> lol
[11:28] <CuttingEdge> well, my previous job/position made it impossible to take leave .. used to phone/email me each day, numerous times
[11:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> the fact that I used up all my leave during the leave makes it impossible to take leave
[11:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-)
[11:28] <CuttingEdge> lol
[11:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> but I'm not one for travelling in Dec/Jan and taking leave just to stay home doesn't really work for me
[11:29] <CuttingEdge> i normally miss the holiday rush myself .. normally hang onto my leave days for off-peak periods
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> you play minetest?
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> could use another addict :-D
[11:35] <gremble> Can I play? :o
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> probably, it isn't rocket science :P
[11:35] <CuttingEdge> haven't tried it yet
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't play on our local server anymore though, everyone kinda moved on so I moved to a busier place
[11:37] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: which server are you on? I'll probably pop in from time to time
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> VanessaE's survival server, digitalaudioconcepts.com port 30001
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's some space around my place you can be my neighbour ;-p
[11:42] <superfly> haha
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> you sometimes have low FPS around the spawn area because there are a ton of signs and those are apparently done in a hackish inefficient way, but once you move away from there its normal
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> and very rarely laggy at all, even on crappy 3G
[11:46] <theblazehen> hi CuttingEdge
[11:46] <theblazehen> Kilos: I could host it, I guess.. (the ibid)
[11:49] <Kilos> theblazehen: at home?
[11:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: nah, on a virtual sevrer
[11:50] <theblazehen> server*
[11:50] <Kilos> and where is that?
[11:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: new york
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't know what an ibid is
[11:51] <Kilos> ibid is a python bot
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[11:51] <Kilos> written by the crash kid , the weed and a few others
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> back in my day we used eggdrop
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> is eggdrop even around? :-/
[11:52] <charl> i'm a botmaster on an eggdrop botnet
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm sort of but not really
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> last release 3 years ago
[11:52] <theblazehen> I tried to use eggdrop once..
[11:52] <theblazehen> like 6 months ago
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> although eggdrop is likely pretty stable by now and IRC doesn't really change
[11:52] <charl> well it's still around nevertheless :P
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wrote a trivia game for eggdrop way back when
[11:52] <Kilos> methinks ibid were written for this kinda channel with meetings and tech stuff and so on
[11:53] <charl> precisely, look at how frequently irssi gets updated :P
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that other thing as well... CuttingEdge will know, I can't remember
[11:53] <charl> there was energymech too
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> no there wasn't there was only eggdrop
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> go away with your blasphemous lies
[11:53] <charl> when ?
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[11:53] <charl> :D
[11:53] <Kilos> haha
[11:53] <charl> ja rite :P
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> i moved away from eggdrop many years ago
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> i do all my own stuff from scratch using PHP :P
[11:54] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: even IRC stuff?
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: i even wrote a trivia bot, with a mysql backend, that looks similar to your eggdrop variant
[11:54] <charl> ah you do PreHistoric Programming... :P
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> (but with more functionality, since i'm no TCL fan)
[11:55] <CuttingEdge> theblazehen: yeah, even IRC stuff
[11:55] <CuttingEdge> charl: oh shoosh .. PHP rocks :P
[11:55] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: ouch
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> I can python, but I can't admin a bot
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> mainly due to my laziness
[11:55] <charl> have any of you taken a look at williebot
[11:55] <Kilos> i will admin
[11:55] <charl> also python based, quite nice
[11:56] <charl> i don't run it myself but i use it on a bunch of channels
[11:58] <Kilos> theblazehen: are you pushing gremble  to get ibid going with python3
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> CuttingEdge: I still have that trivia script
[11:58] <theblazehen> Kilos: not yet.
[11:58] <Kilos> push push
[11:59] <Kilos> dont grumble gremble  just fix it
[12:00] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: it was pretty good in its day .. still one of the more/most popular eggdrop trivia scripts around
[12:01] <charl> eggdrops are bloated though and hard to configure
[12:01] <CuttingEdge> the one i wrote, initially just emulated yours
[12:01] <charl> *when* it works properly it works but up until that point it's lots of pain and frustration
[12:01] <CuttingEdge> charl: i didn't mind eggdrop too much, it was just TCL that drove me nuts
[12:01] <charl> tcl is crap indeed, i can remember it
[12:01] <charl> used to do some tcp scripting 10 years ago
[12:01] <charl> *tcl
[12:02] <charl> but you can do fancy things like let the bots communicate with each other over the botnet
[12:02] <charl> let them coordinate things etc, very cool stuff for way back then
[12:02] <gremble> Kilos: I am working on getting the braai thing implemented first, after that python3
[12:03] <Kilos> good man, keep up the good work
[12:03] <Kilos> ill look around here i have a greeter script for the bot that also need tuning
[12:06] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: you're welcome to take a look at my variant in action .. would be great to have your feedback
[12:08] <theblazehen> Anyone here know basic regex?
[12:09] <charl> yes
[12:09] <theblazehen> nvm, got my answer..
[12:15] <theblazehen> hi inetpro plustwo
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <Kilos> shame they battling
[12:16] <Kilos> methinks the load shedding broke something
[12:18] <theblazehen> probably..
[12:25] <Kilos> i spose half the govt is shouting fix it
[12:32] <Kilos> wb gremble 
[12:44] <theblazehen> Wow, ADSL suddenly really slow.. 
[12:45] <theblazehen> oh, wait, nvm
[12:45] <theblazehen> Just my ubuntu mirror
[12:45] <theblazehen> 400 B/s ... :/
[12:47] <Kilos> ouch
[12:48] <Kilos> which one you using?
[12:50] <theblazehen> za.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <Kilos> shout at Symmetria 
[12:53] <theblazehen> heh, ya
[12:53] <Kilos> he getting slack
[12:54] <Kilos> i find the neo something one is lekker fast
[12:55] <theblazehen> ah, ty
[12:55] <Kilos> ubuntu.mirror.neology
[12:55] <theblazehen> .com ?
[12:55] <Kilos> co.za
[12:56] <Kilos> .co.za/ubuntu
[12:56] <theblazehen> ah
[12:56] <theblazehen> just edit sources.list right?
[12:56] <Kilos> yip
[12:56] <Kilos> i do it in synaptic
[12:56] <theblazehen> ah
[12:56]  * theblazehen in vim
[12:57] <Kilos> update manager used to show them and you could choose best mirror now i use synaptic
[12:59] <theblazehen> ah
[13:00] <charl> turns out virtualbox 3d acceleration is much better on the intel than vmware workstation
[13:01] <theblazehen> charl: hmm, thanks for the info... :/
[13:01] <charl> vmware workstation just refuses to enable 3d acceleration unless you have nvidia or radeon
[13:01] <theblazehen> You know how good kvm's is?
[13:01] <theblazehen> ah
[13:01] <charl> unfortunately not i haven't tried that yet but i want to
[13:01] <theblazehen> ah, kk
[13:01] <charl> problem with kvm is most of the management utilities back when i last tried it were super primitive
[13:01] <charl> unless you install something like proxmox
[13:02] <charl> i should look it up again
[13:02] <charl> maybe there are more options now
[13:02] <theblazehen> yeah, used proxmox last time
[13:02] <charl> i am almost sure that kvm will be a LOT faster than virtualbox
[13:02] <theblazehen> there is ovirt, but wouldn't install on my 4GB USB
[13:02] <charl> virtualbox i found is relatively slow compared to vmware
[13:02] <theblazehen> ah, kk, ty
[13:02] <charl> only the 3d hardware acceleration is better
[13:02] <theblazehen> Pity there isn't any vSphere client for linux :(
[13:03] <charl> yeah that sucks :(
[13:03] <charl> vmware workstation isn't bad though but it's not free or open source
[13:03] <charl> not free as in freedom or free as in gratis
[13:04] <charl> at work we have licenses though
[13:04] <theblazehen> yeah
[13:04] <charl> we do a lot with vmware also in the data centre
[13:04] <theblazehen> I'm now running plain kvm, so that it's easier to use vagrant with it
[13:04] <theblazehen> Have you tried virt-manager?
[13:04] <theblazehen> with libvirt
[13:06] <charl> yes that was the one i think
[13:08] <charl> i'm running the standard virtualbox that comes with ubuntu 14.10 (my host)
[13:08] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: i work for neology/multisource, ironically
[13:08] <theblazehen> ah
[13:08] <theblazehen> Got a seperate host, or is it your main PC?
[13:08] <charl> but when i tried to run kubuntu 14.10 as a guest the display didn't work properly
[13:08] <theblazehen> I don't like the virtualbox headless stuff..
[13:08] <charl> even after installing guest additions
[13:08] <Kilos> great CuttingEdge they are lekker fast
[13:08] <charl> it's my main pc
[13:09] <charl> xrandr just listed certain standard modes
[13:09] <theblazehen> heh, CuttingEdge, your mirror is out of date
[13:09] <charl> then i booted mint cinnamon and then mint kde and it works perfectly with the display even from the live cd
[13:09] <CuttingEdge> theblazehen: i'll go bitchslap it in a moment
[13:09] <theblazehen> charl: did you try and disable the 3d stuff?
[13:09] <theblazehen> ty CuttingEdge
[13:09] <charl> theblazehen: i had 3d disabled indeed, that wasn't the issue
[13:09] <Kilos> lol
[13:10] <Kilos> whats out of date theblazehen 
[13:10] <Kilos> i ungraded from there this morning
[13:10] <Kilos> upgraded
[13:12] <theblazehen> Kilos: the mirror, so everything is a week old
[13:13] <Kilos> oh my 
[13:14] <Kilos> another early morning coming then
[13:15] <charl> pity vagrant does not install distros with guis
[13:15] <theblazehen> charl: Can't you just build a box?
[13:19] <charl> a vagrantfile you mean ?
[13:20] <charl> oh you mean with packer?
[13:20] <theblazehen> charl: if packer takes a vm and turns it into a box, then yesa
[13:21] <charl> looking at the docs now, there seems to be a headless boolean option
[13:21] <charl> it isn't clear to me what that does though, because it's speaking of showing a console of the machine being built not after the machine is built
[13:22] <theblazehen> hmm...
[13:22] <theblazehen> I know with virtualbox, you can just open VB, then double click on the vm to show console
[13:31] <charl> just tried it and did not work for me
[13:31] <charl> i just got black screen
[13:32] <charl> i installed chef/ubuntu-14.10
[13:32] <theblazehen> charl: I assume that you pressed a key, right?
[13:35] <charl> yes i clicked in the black window and pressed all kinds of stuff
[13:35] <charl> nothing appeared, just remained a black hole
[13:35] <charl> not what i expected
[13:39] <Kilos> ai!
[13:51] <charl> their internet is as stable as the politics
[13:54] <Kilos> lol
[13:55] <theblazehen> ai! Trying to use ZA repo's when I'm connected to USA VPN :(
[13:55] <theblazehen> And have a 14% packet loss to the VPN
[13:56] <theblazehen> I wonder if I can route only certain ports through the VPN?
[13:56] <CuttingEdge> theblazehen: mirror should be synced now
[13:57] <theblazehen> eg outgoing on port 31337 to go through VPN
[13:57] <CuttingEdge> (let me know otherwise)
[13:57] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: ty :)
[13:59] <Kilos> nothing here needs upgrading
[14:00] <Kilos> so the dev peeps had a weeks holiday
[14:01] <CuttingEdge> from what i can tell, the sync happens 9 minutes past every alternating hour
[14:01] <Kilos> then it cant be out of date can it?
[14:02] <Kilos> or only after 5pm
[14:02] <Kilos> CuttingEdge: you came on here about a year ago right?
[14:03] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: was out of date according to an ubuntu mirror list
[14:10] <theblazehen> tell me why this is a bad idea: Boot linux, create a raid 1 with a ramdisk and sda, remount root on the raid
[14:14] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: more or less, yeah
[14:15] <CuttingEdge> i tend to frequent local networks though
[14:15] <Kilos> i thought so, there was a guy here a couple of months ago asking for php help and everyone revved him
[14:15] <Kilos> i couldnt remember who it was that said they like php
[14:16] <Kilos> it was you
[14:19] <CuttingEdge> yeah, i do all my 'stuff' in PHP
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> shame
[14:27] <charl> lol
[14:28] <charl> these days if you admit you still use php you are subject to immediate discrimination
[14:28] <charl> then you are a left behind folk :P
[14:30] <Kilos> lol
[14:31] <CuttingEdge> meh :P
[14:31] <charl> lol
[14:32] <charl> meh... i think that was his official statement :P
[14:32] <charl> on the matter
[14:32] <charl> technical elitism ftw
[15:56] <magespawn> good evening all
[15:56] <digigram> Maaz, re-verification
[15:56] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[15:56] <digigram> thank you Maaz 
[16:03] <charl> hi magespawn 
[16:04] <magespawn> hi ChanServ 
[16:05] <magespawn> hi charl 
[16:05] <magespawn> double tab, and it has been a long day
[16:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:19] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[16:19] <Kilos> hi digigram 
[16:20] <digigram> hey Kilos 
[16:20] <Kilos> tell him magespawn 
[16:21] <magespawn> hi digigram 
[16:21] <digigram> hey magespawn 
[16:21] <Kilos> tell him magespawn 
[16:21] <magespawn> tell him what Kilos ?
[16:21] <Kilos> hey
[16:22] <Kilos> charl can tell him too
[16:22] <magespawn> tell who what/
[16:22] <magespawn> ?
[16:22] <Kilos> sigh all my hard work for nothing
[16:22] <digigram> should I rather use "hi" than "hey" Kilos ?
[16:23] <Kilos> yip digigram hey comes out of american ghettos
[16:23] <Kilos> too much tv
[16:23] <digigram> okay, so is it the American part that bothers you, or the ghettos?
[16:24] <Kilos> tv is the most powerful brainwashing tool ever invented
[16:24] <Kilos> american
[16:24] <Kilos> they mess up everything
[16:24] <digigram> so we should abandon all that the Americans came up with?
[16:24] <Kilos> wb gremble 
[16:25] <Kilos> nope
[16:25] <Kilos> only the ghetto slang
[16:25] <Kilos> not serious man
[16:26] <gremble> Pretty much
[16:26] <gremble> No more telephones, internet
[16:26] <gremble> uh.. Mass production
[16:26] <gremble> Atomic weapons
[16:26] <gremble> :P
[16:27] <gremble> At least we have Kreepy Krawlies and pay-as-you-go
[16:28] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> and the rooivalk
[16:29] <gremble> The russians pioneered helicopters, so I think we would be able to keep it, yes
[16:29] <Kilos> lol
[16:29] <gremble> Just can't have electricity
[16:29] <gremble> Perhaps DC
[16:30] <Kilos> i dunno
[16:30] <Kilos> did places like england and holland import the stuff for electrics from america
[16:31] <magespawn> sorry Kilos, it has been a rather long day
[16:31] <Kilos> np magespawn you getting old too now
[16:32] <Kilos> oh alexander graham bell
[16:32] <magespawn> hah you still have a few years on me
[16:32] <Kilos> thats when they were still good peeps. mr bell only said hey when he saw someone doing something wrong
[16:34] <Kilos> you doing your testimonial digigram ?
[16:34] <digigram> done 30min ago
[16:35] <Kilos> good man ty very much
[16:35] <Kilos> yours next magespawn 
[16:35] <magespawn> yup i am on the page now
[16:35] <Kilos> yay
[16:35] <Kilos> today be a good day
[16:36] <Kilos> just check everything and see if it looks ok to you
[16:36] <Kilos> when we did this 2 years ago i couldnt get to see the page even
[16:42] <Kilos> poor inetpro got serious probs looks like
[16:44] <Kilos> magespawn: how can we become ubuntu members
[16:45] <Kilos> we cant contribute the heavy stuffs
[16:46] <magespawn> ubuntu members/
[16:46] <magespawn> ?
[16:47] <Kilos> i saw somewhere we only got about 5 or 6
[16:47] <Kilos> th weed and neelsie i remember
[16:48] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[16:48] <magespawn> i think that is for people who officially recognized by Canonical
[16:48] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember
[16:49] <Kilos> so we gotta soft soap mark?
[16:51] <gremble> Does anyone here still play minetest?
[16:51] <magespawn> strangely i think that he does not actually have much say
[16:52] <Kilos> it eats too much data for 3g peeps gremble 
[16:52] <Kilos> you can blow 2g in a day
[16:52] <magespawn> gremble, i have it going at home 
[16:53] <magespawn> my kids love it
[16:53] <theblazehen> magespawn: What's that you have running?
[16:53] <magespawn> minetest
[16:53] <gremble> The fridge
[16:54] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:55] <magespawn> amongst other things
[16:56] <gremble> I was hoping there was one of them servers going :P
[16:56] <Kilos> oh graemes one must still be running
[16:56] <Kilos> you got the link magespawn ?
[16:56] <theblazehen> magespawn: ah
[16:56]  * theblazehen is running normal minecraft now..
[16:57] <magespawn> somewhere Kilos
[16:57] <Kilos> minecraft isnt free
[16:57]  * magespawn goes to look
[16:57] <theblazehen> Kilos: ya
[16:57] <Kilos> mt.donaldson.net i think it was
[16:57] <Kilos> try that gremble
[16:59] <gremble> He plays on another server, mentioned it earlier
[16:59] <Kilos> you can go look its where we all played
[16:59] <Kilos> just explore
[17:00] <Kilos> and its lekker fast
[17:00] <Kilos> when im flooded with data ill go play again too
[17:06] <gremble> Eh, I'll just play by myself for now :P
[17:06] <gremble> There are monsters right?
[17:07] <theblazehen> gremble: needs a mod for that
[17:19] <Kilos> nope monsters turned off gremble 
[17:19] <Kilos> go see the homes we built
[17:19] <Kilos> below my house there is a transporter pad to different areas
[17:19] <Kilos> saves lots of walking
[17:21] <Kilos> and below my house id a covered over lake with a place the fly built underwater
[17:21] <Kilos> then there is the ship he built
[17:22] <Kilos> and the deep
[17:22] <Kilos> i dont remember if it was 4 or 5ks down
[17:24] <Kilos> magespawn: what do they mean by this
[17:24] <Kilos> For contributions that are mostly within the IRC area, you might want to add your application to IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda and attend a meeting there. More information on the specific process at: IRC/Membership
[17:26] <Kilos> what kinda contributions
[17:26] <magespawn> to become a ubuntu member you have give significant and sustained contribution to ubuntu, irc is recognized as one of the ways to do this
[17:27] <magespawn> significant and sustained
[17:29] <Kilos> lol i been helped here non stop for 5 years
[17:31] <magespawn> i am off for now, might come back later, very zonked
[17:39] <Kilos> hi hannolom 
[17:40] <hannolom> Hi
[17:40] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:40] <hannolom> thanks
[17:41] <hannolom> have anybody installed ubuntu server on a HP proliant dl280 gen3?
[17:41] <hannolom> Sorry - have anybody installed ubuntu server on a HP proliant dl380 gen3?
[17:41] <superfly> nope
[17:44] <theblazehen> hi hannolom
[17:44] <hannolom> hello
[17:44] <theblazehen> hannolom: having problems, or is this just to check if it works fine ahead of time?
[17:45] <hannolom> Having problems
[17:46] <theblazehen> Can you describe them?
[17:46] <hannolom> long story
[17:46] <hannolom> I started installin on a DL380 G4
[17:47] <hannolom> Setup raid5 using HP controller. Boot using Unetbootin and Ubuntu 12.04
[17:48] <hannolom> Install goes trough fine (no errors - picked up the raid and all)
[17:49] <hannolom> but on first reboot boots into nothing - no shel nothing. ("Screen say out of range")
[17:49] <theblazehen> hmm. Does it show a menu where you can choose Ubuntu, Ubuntu recovery etc.?
[17:50] <theblazehen> I think I might be able to get you on the right track, if t=it is what I think it is
[17:50] <theblazehen> if it is*
[17:50] <hannolom> Nothing - shift on grub does not even work
[17:50] <theblazehen> So, that is right after the BIOS, where that hapens?
[17:50] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f?
[17:50] <Kilos> f3 sorry
[17:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: what's that do?
[17:50] <Kilos> goes to cli
[17:51] <hannolom> lets see
[17:51] <theblazehen> Kilos: I'm assuming ubuntu server, so default is cli
[17:51] <Kilos> yip lets hope it wakes up
[17:51] <Kilos> 12.04 server worked kiff here
[17:51] <theblazehen> hannolom: Can you boot the live environment, modify grubs startup stuff, and append nomodeset to the kernel parameters?
[17:52] <hannolom> nope - nothing
[17:52] <hannolom> But the story continues
[17:53] <Kilos> go on
[17:53] <hannolom> So unetbootin gives me the option to install with "ubuntu-desktop"
[17:53] <Kilos> ok thats gui
[17:54] <hannolom> Reinstalled with that option and it workes - boots into ubuntu desktop
[17:54] <hannolom> Now over to the HP DL380 G3
[17:55] <hannolom> I cannot use unetbootin because the G3's does not boot from USB.
[17:55] <hannolom> The bootable CD does not give me that option
[17:55] <hannolom> After install - same problem as on the G4 - boots into Nothing
[17:56] <hannolom> Ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing
[17:57] <Kilos> that normally takes you to a command line where you login and give password
[17:57] <Kilos> theblazehen: over to you
[17:57] <hannolom> nope Screes keeps displaying ("Input not supported")
[17:58] <theblazehen> hannolom: the server CD?
[17:59] <theblazehen> Can you edit the grub config?
[17:59] <theblazehen> Do you have another screen?
[17:59] <hannolom> I can try to boot in resque mode?
[18:00] <hannolom> Jip - switched screens and same result. 
[18:00] <theblazehen> Hmm.. What are their maximum resolutions?
[18:00] <theblazehen> Does rescue mode work?
[18:00] <hannolom> Same result on G3 & G4 - But G4 I could load with the Ubuntu-desktop on initial install
[18:01] <hannolom> 1080p
[18:01] <theblazehen> Hmm.. 
[18:01] <hannolom> If I boot with the install CD there is a resque mode that eventually takes me to a shell
[18:02] <theblazehen> Yeah, does that work?
[18:02] <hannolom> the option on boot says "Resque a broken system"
[18:03] <theblazehen> Yeah. Try iy
[18:04] <hannolom> cool - busy now
[18:04] <theblazehen> Alright
[18:04] <hannolom> Sorry if I seem a bit slow - Ubuntu newbie
[18:05] <theblazehen> No problem
[18:05] <theblazehen> Those screens you tried: different models?
[18:05] <theblazehen> No working desktop on the G3?
[18:06] <hannolom> Different screens -yes
[18:06] <theblazehen> Alright. You have access to rescue mode?
[18:06] <hannolom> Got a shell
[18:06] <hannolom> now what?
[18:07] <theblazehen> Mount the hard drive where Ubuntu is installed
[18:07] <hannolom> Purpule screen - says Resque mode at the top and I have a shell at the bottom
[18:07] <hannolom> How do I do that?
[18:08] <theblazehen> The edit (IIRC) /etc/grub/grub.conf and append nomodeset to the kernel settings
[18:08] <hannolom> It did day that the shell will be executed in the drive with grub bootloader
[18:08] <theblazehen> Run ls /dev/SD*
[18:08] <theblazehen> OK, good
[18:08] <theblazehen> Then edit the grub conf
[18:08] <hannolom> how can I confirm?
[18:08] <theblazehen> No need to mount I believe
[18:08] <theblazehen> Run "mount"
[18:09] <theblazehen> See if there is an entry for sda or something there
[18:09] <theblazehen> See what it says for /
[18:11] <hannolom> It says: /dev/mapper/server10--vg--root on / type ext4
[18:11] <hannolom> and much more - too much to type
[18:12] <theblazehen> Alright should be good
[18:12] <theblazehen> Edit the grub config then, append nomodeset to the kernel arguaments
[18:12] <theblazehen> Gotta go, sorry
[18:13] <hannolom> cool thanks for the help
[18:22] <Kilos> hannolom: did you use the same iso to make the usb stick and the cd
[18:23] <hannolom> Same iso file selected for Ubuntu server 12.04
[18:24] <Kilos> i wonder why one gives the option to install the desktrop and the other doesnt
[18:24] <hannolom> Nomodeset however hsed to create usb boot and Infra recorder for CD
[18:25] <Kilos> what are the servers for?
[18:25] <Kilos> the desktop will add some bloat
[18:26] <hannolom> Rendering farm (I have 15 in total mix of DL380, Dl360 Gen3 and Gen4)
[18:28] <Kilos> just hang here, well see if theblazehen comes back or someone else has a better way of getting to see the command line
[18:29] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy you working too hard
[18:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope
[18:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm back in ADSLville
[18:33] <Kilos> aha
[18:33] <Kilos> hannolom: do you ssh to them ?
[18:34] <Kilos> or use gui's
[18:34] <hannolom> ssh? 
[18:34] <hannolom> oh sorry remote
[18:35] <hannolom> tried - did not work
[18:35] <Kilos> and the one with the desktop can you get to that
[18:35] <hannolom> the G4 with GUI work both ways
[18:36] <hannolom> yip even from windows
[18:36] <Kilos> has the desktop not slowed it down too much
[18:36] <hannolom> no baseline to compare - but it looks ok
[18:37] <Kilos> if not you can install a desktop on the problem one too if it has internet connection
[18:37] <hannolom> how?
[18:37] <Kilos> command line
[18:38] <Kilos> like from the boot cd you can do it
[18:38] <hannolom> as in: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[18:39] <Kilos> theblazehen: has a lighter kind of interface but he can help wioth that tomorrow or whenever
[18:39] <Kilos> thats it
[18:39] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:39] <Kilos> you might need to mount the drive first, im not sure 
[18:40] <hannolom> Cool - i'll check in tomorrow and we can try
[18:41] <Kilos> try the command quick
[18:41] <Kilos> see what it does
[18:41] <Kilos> once it is going and you can remote to it im sure you can then remove the desktop
[18:43] <hannolom> Out of desperation I'm resinstalling it now - this time I set "nomodeset" in the "F6" option in the installer main meny
[18:43] <hannolom> Lets see what that does
[18:44] <Kilos> ok
[18:44] <magespawn> back
[18:44] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:44] <magespawn> did not fall asleep
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <magespawn> any suggestions for ubuntu on a netbook? an ascer aspire one
[18:45] <magespawn> currently running lubuntu
[18:46] <Kilos> what you mean suggestions
[18:46] <digigram> I found mate-desktop to be a good mix between lightweight and functional
[18:46] <digigram> lxde on the other hand feels wayyyy to restricted
[18:46] <magespawn> for os or just desktop
[18:46] <digigram> xfce is also a good mix, I just don't like it, but it's personal
[18:46] <Kilos> what do you want out of it magespawn ?
[18:47] <Kilos> x is yucky
[18:47] <magespawn> i am only using it for light work, network troubleshooting etc, mainly because it has good battery life
[18:47] <Kilos> can you use a mac?
[18:47] <magespawn> i am using xubuntu on my main machine, but i have changed a lot of the software
[18:49] <Kilos> what uibuntu is on it now ?
[18:49] <Kilos> ubuntu
[18:51] <charl> hey hey
[18:51] <charl> i see we are not being allowed to speak gangster here again :P
[18:51] <charl> but that's the way i roll
[18:51] <charl> they see me rollin', they hatin'
[18:51] <magespawn> hey charl
[18:51] <charl> hi magespawn 
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <Kilos> magespawn: whats wrong with the ubuntu on it now?
[18:53] <magespawn> nothing really, just always looking out for different ways of doing things
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <Kilos> look at elementaryos
[18:56] <Kilos> ubuntu 12.04 with mac look
[18:56] <Kilos> very fast
[19:00] <theblazehen> magespawn: No recommendation, but an anti-recommendation: Anything with BCM4313 wifi, and if you're using powerVR graphics, then you can only use modesetting graphics (xfce-desktop, with conky is ~15% CPU), or you're stuck with a 2.something kernel, and really outdated Xorg
[19:01] <magespawn> cool ty theblazehen 
[19:01] <theblazehen> so the D270 is a bad idea
[19:01] <theblazehen> I'd go for an i3 chromebook myself
[19:01] <theblazehen> Do you use a tiling WM? No super key
[19:01] <theblazehen> brb
[19:01] <Kilos> theblazehen: that guy coming back tomorrow
[19:02] <Kilos> you can help him do the i3 thing if his reinstall didnt work
[19:10] <theblazehen> Kilos: kk
[19:10] <theblazehen> But he's doing the nomodeset at the wrong place :(\
[19:10] <Kilos> shame
[19:10] <Kilos> he is totally lost i think
[19:10] <theblazehen> ya
[19:11] <Kilos> first time linux user
[19:11] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[19:12] <theblazehen> Had problems again today?
[19:12] <inetpro> hi theblazehen
[19:12] <inetpro> yep, these damn power outages finally broke our firewall completely
[19:12] <Kilos> eish
[19:12] <Kilos> wb goosie
[19:13] <inetpro> finally switched to a new one now... just having to finalise a few things still but at least I'm back here now via the new fw
[19:13] <theblazehen> ai
[19:13] <theblazehen> What about backup power?
[19:14] <inetpro> we don't talk about that
[19:14] <theblazehen> ah.. :'(
[19:14] <magespawn> hardware firewall?
[19:14] <inetpro> FreeBSD
[19:14] <theblazehen> nice
[19:14] <theblazehen> I still wanna learn pf
[19:14] <inetpro> me too
[19:14] <inetpro> still using old ipfw
[19:15] <theblazehen> ah... 
[19:15] <theblazehen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange my reading (and hopefull, implementation) for the night...
[19:15] <inetpro> anyway, good to be back... but can't chat now, sorry guys
[19:15] <theblazehen> alright, cya inetpro
[19:16] <theblazehen> good luck with the fw
[19:16] <inetpro> might still vanish one or two times when finally rebooting at the end to make sure everything comes back after another fail
[19:16] <inetpro> thanks theblazehen
[19:17] <Kilos> good luck inetpro 
[19:17] <inetpro> now focusing on squid 
[19:17] <theblazehen> yay /s
[19:18] <inetpro> about time that I upgraded
[19:19] <theblazehen> oh, nice, DH is easier than I thought...
[19:20] <theblazehen> Can get the symmetric key, and only need to send the public key to each other. Assume the public keys are public knowledge, therefore will be easier to use :D
[19:20] <magespawn> theblazehen, pf?
[19:21] <theblazehen> magespawn: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/firewalls-pf.html
[19:24] <magespawn> is it better than others in someway?
[19:25] <theblazehen> magespawn: afaik the syntax is easier than iptables, not sure about other advantages
[19:26] <magespawn> well if it easier to use and just as capable that is a major step in the right direction
[19:30] <magespawn> bit of a noobie question, but anyway, does a proxy server have to have two network ports or just be defined as the proxy in the network setup?
[19:30] <magespawn> in order to work
[19:31] <magespawn> i thought having two or more nic one for the wan side another for the lan would make it quicker maybe
[19:31] <theblazehen> magespawn: I did it with one before
[19:31] <magespawn> and the performance?
[19:31] <theblazehen> with 2 you need to configure it as an intercepting proxy
[19:32] <theblazehen> dunno, I only have 100mbit ethernet at home, but it maxed out at ~98 mbit, on a old pentium I had
[19:33] <theblazehen> maxing the network out made my dual core 2.1 GHz pentium go up to 7% usage
[19:34] <magespawn> i would like to try it to see if there are any performance increases for the local network
[19:34] <theblazehen> Why would you expect an increase? Caching?
[19:34] <magespawn> yes
[19:34] <Kilos> night all of ya. sleep tight
[19:35] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[19:36] <theblazehen> magespawn: ah, I used 30 GB caching before, not too much increase. Too much stuff uses https...
[19:36] <theblazehen> Dunno if you'd be willing to strip the ssl
[19:37] <magespawn> no, i dont think that is such a good idea
[19:37] <theblazehen> yeah..
[19:37] <magespawn> squid says it supports https though
[19:38] <theblazehen> Well it'd still have SSL, just with a different cert, that you install on each pc
[19:38] <theblazehen> yeah, but no caching, as it can't read the info
[19:40] <magespawn> the company does almost all of its mail through imap from google apps, with the odd one here and there still using pop3 for local storage
[19:40] <magespawn> the way intepro feels about ftp is the same way i feel about pop and local storage
[19:42] <theblazehen> yeah, they all a bad idea
[19:43] <theblazehen> running only imap on my mail server :)
[19:44] <magespawn> there is no reason not to when google is your provider, and the sync works so much better
[19:44] <theblazehen> yeah
[19:44] <theblazehen> cryptography gives me a headache :(
[19:45] <theblazehen> or maybe it's just openssl
[19:48] <theblazehen> gonna go to bed.. cya magespawn
[20:00] <magespawn> me too later theblazehen 
[20:02] <magespawn> good night all