[05:36] oh my [05:36] morning you lonely few [06:04] morning peoples [06:10] hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy [06:10] http://www.archdaily.com/9257/pionen-%E2%80%93-white-mountain-albert-france-lanord-architects/ that datacenter... [06:12] hi theblazehen ThatGraemeGuy [06:24] i could live there [06:31] hi Private_User [06:33] hi Kilos [06:41] Kilos: heh, that's what I was thinking.. [06:42] why the big push to get everything in the cloud [06:42] http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/snappy [06:43] Maaz: define KVM [06:43] Kilos: KVM Keyboard, Video, Mouse , KVM Kilobyte Virtual Machine (Java, Sun, MIDP) [06:44] yeah, I also dislike it myself... The transactionally updated thing is nice [06:44] Maaz: Bad Maaz! [06:44] theblazehen: *blink* [06:44] so what is that snappy thing actually [06:44] a virtual machine? [06:45] Kilos: basically if power goes out, or anything bad happens, during an update, then system will be back to how it was before the update [06:45] And KVM: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware" [06:46] so it similar to virtualbox? [06:46] yeah [06:46] ty [06:46] So you can try out snappy in a VM then [06:47] but its only 100m so it cant have much [06:47] no gui etc [06:47] yeah, of course [06:47] TIL CRT's make xrays.. [06:47] so like a server nearly [06:48] the VM is probably a server VM, but this thing will work for all of ubuntu [06:48] So that's why my CRT says "Low Radiation"... :/ [06:49] but whats the point if you can just install a full os here then [06:50] i miss where things are going and for what reason [06:50] It's just for people to test it now, without needing to do it on their main ubuntu, as it may still have bugs that could break everything [06:54] hi Squirm [06:55] hi Squirm [07:04] Disadvantages of tiling WM's: I have 18 workspaces, and I lost track of which browser windows s on which workspace [07:10] lol [07:11] thats why i use 10 workspaces on pc pc then each one can have a pile of stuff on it [07:12] Yeah [07:12] My 18 all have a bunch of stuff on.. [07:12] i open certain apps in same place everytime so the switcher makes it easier to remember [07:12] ah, yeah [07:12] You run kde now, right? [07:12] becomes habit [07:12] ya [07:13] You try 5? [07:13] and unity and elementaryos [07:13] ah [07:13] have found how to get to the extra workspaces on elementary yet but saw that it has 9 by default [07:13] kk [07:13] whats 5? [07:14] kde 5 [07:14] i just have what came with 14.04 [07:14] kk. http://askubuntu.com/questions/492599/how-to-install-and-test-kde-plasma-5-on-ubuntu-14-04 if you wanna test. Will use lots of data :( [07:14] But looks really nice [07:14] and it seems unbreakable so far [07:15] yeah [07:16] how much is lots of data? [07:16] the whole gui? [07:16] few hundred mb? yeah [07:17] i might try it on another drive with night surfer if i can stay awake so late [07:17] kk [07:18] maybe script it? eg. http://linux.die.net/man/1/at and the sudo apt-get update [07:18] I mean install [07:18] i have kde on another 1TB drive that i cant use the first 50g [07:18] ah [07:19] it seems stable so far. kde is very strong [07:19] yeah [07:20] elementary is hard work for me though [07:20] no desktop [07:20] why? [07:20] ah [07:20] i like to see things [07:20] yeah [07:21] now i have to rsync to Documents and then work from there [07:21] ya [07:21] weird without a desktop [07:21] yeah [07:21] but looks nice and clean' [07:22] morning superfly inetpro [07:22] ya, I also liked it when I had it [07:22] but then it broke [07:23] i have it on an old drive, and need to recover now and again [07:23] ai [07:23] must be some badblocks [07:24] yeah [07:24] https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gsmartcontrol/ might want to check it's stats with this [07:25] See how close it is to dying [07:25] ty lemme look [07:25] disk utility says it has a few bad sectors but is ok otherwise [07:26] ah [07:27] i have commands to check and mark badblocks then fsck adds other bad blocks in memory and doesnt use them [07:27] ah [07:27] raining hard now [07:28] * Kilos waits for power to go [07:29] * Kilos making microwave baked potato for breakfast [08:02] ai! [08:02] pro gone again [08:02] and the other 2 havent even appeared today [08:07] good morning [08:07] Maaz: coffee on [08:07] * Maaz washes some mugs [08:07] hi charl [08:08] Maaz: coffee please [08:08] Kilos: Sure [08:11] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [08:11] Maaz: thanks man [08:11] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [08:12] how do you know Maaz is a man [08:17] Maaz: are you female [08:17] Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot [08:17] lol [08:17] Maaz: are you male [08:17] No. Us Bots are above that human failing [08:18] Maaz: thanks [08:18] charl: Sure [08:18] Kilos: hi [08:25] ThatGraemeGuy: would you host an ibid there for us? [08:25] could you [08:25] pretty please [08:38] eh? [08:45] o/ hi all [08:46] 'lo [08:47] wb plustwo inetpro [08:47] julle sukkel ne [08:48] ThatGraemeGuy: same bot as Maaz but upgraded version [08:48] eish, not sure what's causing it now Oom [08:48] busy being sorted now [08:49] plustwo: i see mzo isnt back yet [08:50] i thik he's checking the coordinates of ubuntu-za somehow... lost soul [08:51] s/thik/think [08:51] lol [08:51] what's wrong with maaz? [08:54] the other one is a standby for here and full time in my channel. not easy to get hold of the crash kid to get permissions sorted for maaz when we change chairs etc [08:54] maaz is in germany [08:55] and his boss in silicon valley [08:55] ah [09:07] hi bduk [09:08] More Kilos and others [09:13] whow there is a lot of awesome being released right now [09:13] looking at pivotal and mesosphere [09:14] vmware is also getting in on it now [09:16] ai! [09:34] government internet [10:05] morning gremble [10:09] hmm... actually afternoon [10:20] hi CuttingEdge [10:20] greetings [10:20] welcome to ubuntu-za [10:58] hi drussell how things there? we ok methinks [10:58] re-verification next tuesday night [11:01] Hey Kilos [11:01] he CuttingEdge [11:02] gremble: hey [11:11] :-o [11:11] Surely there aren' [11:11] Surely there aren's 2 people who go by "CuttingEdge"? :-D [11:11] * ThatGraemeGuy carn't spel [11:11] ThatGraemeGuy: dude! [11:11] how goes ? [11:14] can't complain thanks, you? [11:24] CuttingEdge: hello! [11:25] ThatGraemeGuy: all good this end too .. just waiting on the december holidays now [11:25] superfly: yo! :P [11:27] holidays? what's that? [11:27] lol [11:28] well, my previous job/position made it impossible to take leave .. used to phone/email me each day, numerous times [11:28] the fact that I used up all my leave during the leave makes it impossible to take leave [11:28] :-) [11:28] lol [11:28] but I'm not one for travelling in Dec/Jan and taking leave just to stay home doesn't really work for me [11:29] i normally miss the holiday rush myself .. normally hang onto my leave days for off-peak periods [11:33] you play minetest? [11:34] could use another addict :-D [11:35] Can I play? :o [11:35] probably, it isn't rocket science :P [11:35] haven't tried it yet [11:36] I don't play on our local server anymore though, everyone kinda moved on so I moved to a busier place [11:37] ThatGraemeGuy: which server are you on? I'll probably pop in from time to time [11:38] VanessaE's survival server, digitalaudioconcepts.com port 30001 [11:40] there's some space around my place you can be my neighbour ;-p [11:42] haha [11:43] you sometimes have low FPS around the spawn area because there are a ton of signs and those are apparently done in a hackish inefficient way, but once you move away from there its normal [11:43] and very rarely laggy at all, even on crappy 3G [11:46] hi CuttingEdge [11:46] Kilos: I could host it, I guess.. (the ibid) [11:49] theblazehen: at home? [11:50] Kilos: nah, on a virtual sevrer [11:50] server* [11:50] and where is that? [11:50] Kilos: new york [11:50] i don't know what an ibid is [11:51] ibid is a python bot [11:51] ah [11:51] written by the crash kid , the weed and a few others [11:51] back in my day we used eggdrop [11:51] is eggdrop even around? :-/ [11:52] i'm a botmaster on an eggdrop botnet [11:52] mmm sort of but not really [11:52] last release 3 years ago [11:52] I tried to use eggdrop once.. [11:52] like 6 months ago [11:52] although eggdrop is likely pretty stable by now and IRC doesn't really change [11:52] well it's still around nevertheless :P [11:52] I wrote a trivia game for eggdrop way back when [11:52] methinks ibid were written for this kinda channel with meetings and tech stuff and so on [11:53] precisely, look at how frequently irssi gets updated :P [11:53] and that other thing as well... CuttingEdge will know, I can't remember [11:53] there was energymech too [11:53] no there wasn't there was only eggdrop [11:53] go away with your blasphemous lies [11:53] when ? [11:53] :-p [11:53] :D [11:53] haha [11:53] ja rite :P [11:54] i moved away from eggdrop many years ago [11:54] i do all my own stuff from scratch using PHP :P [11:54] CuttingEdge: even IRC stuff? [11:54] ThatGraemeGuy: i even wrote a trivia bot, with a mysql backend, that looks similar to your eggdrop variant [11:54] ah you do PreHistoric Programming... :P [11:54] (but with more functionality, since i'm no TCL fan) [11:55] theblazehen: yeah, even IRC stuff [11:55] charl: oh shoosh .. PHP rocks :P [11:55] CuttingEdge: ouch [11:55] I can python, but I can't admin a bot [11:55] mainly due to my laziness [11:55] have any of you taken a look at williebot [11:55] i will admin [11:55] also python based, quite nice [11:56] i don't run it myself but i use it on a bunch of channels [11:58] theblazehen: are you pushing gremble to get ibid going with python3 [11:58] CuttingEdge: I still have that trivia script [11:58] Kilos: not yet. [11:58] push push [11:59] dont grumble gremble just fix it [12:00] ThatGraemeGuy: it was pretty good in its day .. still one of the more/most popular eggdrop trivia scripts around [12:01] eggdrops are bloated though and hard to configure [12:01] the one i wrote, initially just emulated yours [12:01] *when* it works properly it works but up until that point it's lots of pain and frustration [12:01] charl: i didn't mind eggdrop too much, it was just TCL that drove me nuts [12:01] tcl is crap indeed, i can remember it [12:01] used to do some tcp scripting 10 years ago [12:01] *tcl [12:02] but you can do fancy things like let the bots communicate with each other over the botnet [12:02] let them coordinate things etc, very cool stuff for way back then [12:02] Kilos: I am working on getting the braai thing implemented first, after that python3 [12:03] good man, keep up the good work [12:03] ill look around here i have a greeter script for the bot that also need tuning [12:06] ThatGraemeGuy: you're welcome to take a look at my variant in action .. would be great to have your feedback [12:08] Anyone here know basic regex? [12:09] yes [12:09] nvm, got my answer.. [12:15] hi inetpro plustwo [12:16] lol [12:16] shame they battling [12:16] methinks the load shedding broke something [12:18] probably.. [12:25] i spose half the govt is shouting fix it [12:32] wb gremble [12:44] Wow, ADSL suddenly really slow.. [12:45] oh, wait, nvm [12:45] Just my ubuntu mirror [12:45] 400 B/s ... :/ [12:47] ouch [12:48] which one you using? [12:50] za.archive.ubuntu.com [12:53] shout at Symmetria [12:53] heh, ya [12:53] he getting slack [12:54] i find the neo something one is lekker fast [12:55] ah, ty [12:55] ubuntu.mirror.neology [12:55] .com ? [12:55] co.za [12:56] .co.za/ubuntu [12:56] ah [12:56] just edit sources.list right? [12:56] yip [12:56] i do it in synaptic [12:56] ah [12:56] * theblazehen in vim [12:57] update manager used to show them and you could choose best mirror now i use synaptic [12:59] ah [13:00] turns out virtualbox 3d acceleration is much better on the intel than vmware workstation [13:01] charl: hmm, thanks for the info... :/ [13:01] vmware workstation just refuses to enable 3d acceleration unless you have nvidia or radeon [13:01] You know how good kvm's is? [13:01] ah [13:01] unfortunately not i haven't tried that yet but i want to [13:01] ah, kk [13:01] problem with kvm is most of the management utilities back when i last tried it were super primitive [13:01] unless you install something like proxmox [13:02] i should look it up again [13:02] maybe there are more options now [13:02] yeah, used proxmox last time [13:02] i am almost sure that kvm will be a LOT faster than virtualbox [13:02] there is ovirt, but wouldn't install on my 4GB USB [13:02] virtualbox i found is relatively slow compared to vmware [13:02] ah, kk, ty [13:02] only the 3d hardware acceleration is better [13:02] Pity there isn't any vSphere client for linux :( [13:03] yeah that sucks :( [13:03] vmware workstation isn't bad though but it's not free or open source [13:03] not free as in freedom or free as in gratis [13:04] at work we have licenses though [13:04] yeah [13:04] we do a lot with vmware also in the data centre [13:04] I'm now running plain kvm, so that it's easier to use vagrant with it [13:04] Have you tried virt-manager? [13:04] with libvirt [13:06] yes that was the one i think [13:08] i'm running the standard virtualbox that comes with ubuntu 14.10 (my host) [13:08] Kilos: i work for neology/multisource, ironically [13:08] ah [13:08] Got a seperate host, or is it your main PC? [13:08] but when i tried to run kubuntu 14.10 as a guest the display didn't work properly [13:08] I don't like the virtualbox headless stuff.. [13:08] even after installing guest additions [13:08] great CuttingEdge they are lekker fast [13:08] it's my main pc [13:09] xrandr just listed certain standard modes [13:09] heh, CuttingEdge, your mirror is out of date [13:09] then i booted mint cinnamon and then mint kde and it works perfectly with the display even from the live cd [13:09] theblazehen: i'll go bitchslap it in a moment [13:09] charl: did you try and disable the 3d stuff? [13:09] ty CuttingEdge [13:09] theblazehen: i had 3d disabled indeed, that wasn't the issue [13:09] lol [13:10] whats out of date theblazehen [13:10] i ungraded from there this morning [13:10] upgraded [13:12] Kilos: the mirror, so everything is a week old [13:13] oh my [13:14] another early morning coming then [13:15] pity vagrant does not install distros with guis [13:15] charl: Can't you just build a box? [13:19] a vagrantfile you mean ? [13:20] oh you mean with packer? [13:20] charl: if packer takes a vm and turns it into a box, then yesa [13:21] looking at the docs now, there seems to be a headless boolean option [13:21] it isn't clear to me what that does though, because it's speaking of showing a console of the machine being built not after the machine is built [13:22] hmm... [13:22] I know with virtualbox, you can just open VB, then double click on the vm to show console [13:31] just tried it and did not work for me [13:31] i just got black screen [13:32] i installed chef/ubuntu-14.10 [13:32] charl: I assume that you pressed a key, right? [13:35] yes i clicked in the black window and pressed all kinds of stuff [13:35] nothing appeared, just remained a black hole [13:35] not what i expected [13:39] ai! [13:51] their internet is as stable as the politics [13:54] lol [13:55] ai! Trying to use ZA repo's when I'm connected to USA VPN :( [13:55] And have a 14% packet loss to the VPN [13:56] I wonder if I can route only certain ports through the VPN? [13:56] theblazehen: mirror should be synced now [13:57] eg outgoing on port 31337 to go through VPN [13:57] (let me know otherwise) [13:57] CuttingEdge: ty :) [13:59] nothing here needs upgrading [14:00] so the dev peeps had a weeks holiday [14:01] from what i can tell, the sync happens 9 minutes past every alternating hour [14:01] then it cant be out of date can it? [14:02] or only after 5pm [14:02] CuttingEdge: you came on here about a year ago right? [14:03] CuttingEdge: was out of date according to an ubuntu mirror list [14:10] tell me why this is a bad idea: Boot linux, create a raid 1 with a ramdisk and sda, remount root on the raid [14:14] Kilos: more or less, yeah [14:15] i tend to frequent local networks though [14:15] i thought so, there was a guy here a couple of months ago asking for php help and everyone revved him [14:15] i couldnt remember who it was that said they like php [14:16] it was you [14:19] yeah, i do all my 'stuff' in PHP [14:23] shame [14:27] lol [14:28] these days if you admit you still use php you are subject to immediate discrimination [14:28] then you are a left behind folk :P [14:30] lol [14:31] meh :P [14:31] lol [14:32] meh... i think that was his official statement :P [14:32] on the matter [14:32] technical elitism ftw [15:56] good evening all [15:56] Maaz, re-verification [15:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014 [15:56] thank you Maaz [16:03] hi magespawn [16:04] hi ChanServ [16:05] hi charl [16:05] double tab, and it has been a long day [16:19] hi magespawn [16:19] hi Kilos [16:19] hi digigram [16:20] hey Kilos [16:20] tell him magespawn [16:21] hi digigram [16:21] hey magespawn [16:21] tell him magespawn [16:21] tell him what Kilos ? [16:21] hey [16:22]