[04:59] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[04:59] <bukai> sgclark: ping
[05:15] <keithzg_> Should I actually be reporting bugs in Plasma5 if I'm seeing them from the kubuntu next PPA, and if so should it be upstream, or?
[05:43] <valorie> keithzg_: yes, please
[05:43] <valorie> in bko 
[07:11] <soee> good morning
[08:01] <shadeslayer> morning
[08:10] <soee> hiho
[08:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:59] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Ping.. good morning
[08:59] <Sick_Rimmit> Just trying export KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE=0; kwin --replace &"
[09:00] <Sick_Rimmit> kwin appears not to be installed on Plasma5, does that sound correct /
[09:00] <Sick_Rimmit> ?
[09:00] <valorie> Sick_Rimmit: I got the same result
[09:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi Valorie
[09:01] <valorie> hi
[09:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah, yes
[09:01] <Sick_Rimmit> I don't want to try installing kwin however, as I suspect it will break stuff
[09:01] <valorie> exactly
[09:02] <Sick_Rimmit> I think i'll leave this one for further advice from the Ninjas
[10:00] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[10:18] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: oh it's kwin_x11
[10:19] <Riddell> "Jussi Schultink (jussi01) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay jussi still loves us!
[10:22] <Riddell> usability problem on downloading? https://paste.kde.org/pfs44lm0g
[10:33] <soee> ui
[10:37] <Riddell> hi soee 
[10:55] <soee> Riddell: so iv seen that qt 5.4 is released and you plan to use it with plasma 5.2 ?
[11:04] <Riddell> soee: yeah I think so
[11:04] <soee> cool :)
[11:18]  * Riddell spots stable/applications/14.12.0/src/
[11:18] <Riddell> !ninjas | applications 14.12.0
[11:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: whats the problem with silly nicknames? :D 
[11:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: i felt offended :P we are a minority you know!
[12:40] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Ah, been away. OK Thanks will try kwin_x11
[12:41] <Sick_Rimmit> Some feedback on freezing. You can test this oddly using Google Hangouts. It seems that the video feed, makes what ever is causing the problem happen much more frequently, like every 2 to 3 minutes
[12:41] <Riddell> hmm, interesting
[12:42] <Sick_Rimmit> So I will test this some more, I had a Hangout call earlier which was why I was trying to set the param. 
[12:42] <Sick_Rimmit> I will try again on the next one ;-)
[12:43] <Sick_Rimmit> valorie: Ping -> did you see the note about kwin_x11 ^
[12:44] <Sick_Rimmit> So command to try should be 
[12:44] <Sick_Rimmit> export KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE=0; kwin_X11 --replace &"
[12:52] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: lower-case x
[12:58] <bukai> Riddell: Hi
[12:58] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[12:58] <bukai> Riddell: Did you get my mail?
[12:59] <Riddell> bukai: don't think so, which one?
[13:02] <bukai_> Riddell: Can I generate a new private key to access the server?
[13:02] <Riddell> bukai_: the web server? what happaned to your last one?
[13:03] <bukai_> Riddell: I had an accident and my laptop os in 2 piece now, I am using a college desktop for now
[13:04] <bukai_> Riddell: *I had an accident and my laptop is in 2 piece now, I am using a college desktop for now
[13:04] <Riddell> erk
[13:04] <Riddell> well if you can generate a key in a secure place then update your launchpad account and ping me to take it from there
[13:06] <bukai_> Riddell: ok , I will do it once I fix mine because our college desktop has windows! :(
[13:06] <bukai_> Riddell: This week I am planning to rather convert the theme to WordPress
[13:08] <Riddell> bukai_: great :)
[13:08] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: 10-4 thanks - lower case
[13:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/ubuntu/kde-extra/+packages ?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions
[13:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah, for the bluez 5 transition?
[13:15] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:15] <Riddell> that's still the kde4 version
[13:15] <Riddell> I'm wondering if there is a kf5 version anywhere
[13:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ask nowrep
[13:16] <shadeslayer> in #solid
[13:17] <Riddell> mm David Rosca
[13:19] <soee> hey im planing to buy ssd for my laptop, is there any point on geting > than 128 GB ?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:20] <soee> hey BluesKaj
[13:20] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[13:23] <snele> Sick_Rimmit: valorie: on plasma5, kwin process is renamed to kwin_x11 so it would be kwin_x11 --replace
[13:25] <snele> heh I think I am way too late with that advice :)
[13:38] <kranzer> Riddell: hello, are you here?
[13:39] <Riddell> hi kranzer 
[13:39] <kranzer> Riddell: I've done my task yesterday, but I don't know what to attach in melange
[13:44] <Riddell> kranzer: what have you done?
[13:45] <kranzer> Riddell: size of icons
[13:47] <Riddell> kranzer: where?
[13:47] <kranzer> Riddell: calligra
[13:49] <Riddell> kranzer: right but where are they?
[13:50] <kranzer> Riddell: on my hdd )
[13:50] <kranzer> Riddell: I don't know how to attach my work
[13:51] <kranzer> Riddell: and I'm not sure if it is right
[13:51] <Riddell> kranzer: tar up the directory and put it on a web server somewhere? (google drive or dropbox maybe)
[13:51] <kranzer> okay
[13:56] <kranzer> Riddell: two tars https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx5QnsK1RhfbdXItczFQSHU2ekE/ https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx5QnsK1RhfbdFRPM0hsa2I1cEE/
[13:57] <kranzer> Riddell: could you take a look?
[13:58]  * Riddell looks
[14:13] <Sick_Rimmit> snele: Hey, just way for lunch, thank you for that pointer :-)
[14:13] <Riddell> kranzer: getting distracted, will get onto shortly
[14:14] <kranzer> Riddell: okay
[14:15] <snele> Sick_Rimmit: no problem :) blog post about that change: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/kwin-is-no-more/
[14:21] <Riddell> kranzer: looking at application-x-vnd.kde.kplato.work.png the whole image has been resized so the aspect ratio is now all wonky, it needs the canvas resized without the image being changed
[14:24] <kranzer> Riddell: thank you
[14:30] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: you happy if we move print-manager into plasma ? Jan is also all for it
[14:39] <jstaniek> hello, any ideas how to trigger update of Calligra for Kubuntu? it's over week after 2.8.7 release. https://userbase.kde.org/Calligra/Download#Kubuntu
[14:39]  * jstaniek is considering marking Linux Mint as unsupported as well as who-knows what distros
[14:40] <soee> isnt there some task for students to do this ?
[14:41] <soee> yes, http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/4540768173686784
[14:45] <Riddell> jstaniek: it's done but it's blocked from going into release due to automated QA not working https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.8.7-0ubuntu1
[14:45] <Riddell> that's the ubuntu automated QA
[14:45] <Riddell> jstaniek: but yes it could also do with an update for 14.10
[14:45] <jstaniek> Riddell: thx a lot
[14:45] <Riddell> maybe I'll make that a google code in tawsk too
[14:46] <jstaniek> we're in situation that even slightly newer version is a big difference
[14:50] <kranzer> Riddell: I've done the main part of work, now I'm going to do some maths, bye
[14:51] <Pali> Riddell: ping, I want to remind my PPA
[15:13] <jmux> Riddell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-December/065207.html
[15:15] <Riddell> jmux: scary!
[15:16] <Riddell> jmux: all I did was set up the build system stuff by renaming the plugin to kde5
[15:16] <Riddell> jmux: actually porting it from qt4 to qt5 is still to do and I expect to be far more tricky
[15:16] <Riddell> and then yeah, all the stuff you mention in the e-mail
[15:17] <Riddell> Pali: thanks, one day soon..
[15:17] <jmux> Riddell: ah - ok. Guess the port is the easy stuff :-)
[15:18] <Riddell> jmux: but breeze icons first, that should be do-able
[15:19] <Riddell> https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/LibreOffice_Breeze if you haven't seen it
[15:20] <jmux> I looked at it a few days after the hackfest
[15:20] <Riddell> yeah thought so, the google code in students are adding bits to it
[15:28] <Riddell> jmux: I also suggested they just port libreoffice to Qt but they didn't seem too keen on that for some reason
[15:29] <jmux> Riddell: who is "they"?
[15:31] <Riddell> jmux: libreoffice dudes in munich, it wasn't an entirely serious suggestion
[15:37] <jmux> Riddell: Well the KDE4 backend was broken for a long time until we wanted to use it and I had to fix it; I'm basically the only one interested in it...
[15:37] <Riddell> jmux: I think only one interested and brave enough to touch it
[15:37] <jmux> And the gtk backend has simply more features like gvfs integration
[16:52] <kranzer> Riddell: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx5QnsK1RhfbazZOdmFZZV82QUU/   https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx5QnsK1RhfbRV9vOE1mdlg4ZTQ/
[16:52] <kranzer> Riddell: done, I think ;)
[18:17] <Riddell> kranzer: looking good, can you rename them so they use the same names as in the source code?
[18:18] <Riddell> apt-get source calligra  will get your the source code
[18:18] <kranzer> I have sources
[18:19] <kranzer> Riddell: and i was just changing files
[18:20] <kranzer> so, new files have the names that the old had
[18:21] <Riddell> you have hicolor/128x128/actions/template_empty.png
[18:22] <Riddell> I'm after ./plan/workpackage/templates/Simple/hi128-action-template_empty.png
[18:22]  * Riddell out
[18:26] <kranzer> Riddell: I don't understand ;(
[18:29] <kranzer> Riddell: ahhh understand
[18:38] <_Groo_> guys, in kf5, do we have any layout option besides desktop in desktop settings?
[18:38] <_Groo_> kde4 used to have a folder view , a netbook view etc etc
[18:38] <_Groo_> am i missing something or it wasnt ported yet?
[18:40] <yofel> netbook definitely isn't there, folder view dunno
[18:40]  * yofel is just trying to upgrade to vivid
[18:42] <sgclark> I have folder and desktop
[18:42] <kranzer> Riddell: done https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx5QnsK1RhfbNjRYbmNLQ0ZPT28/
[18:52] <_Groo_> guysi reached my 2gb quota of my ppa, how do i remove old builds? can i just use the delete option or i need a special recipe?
[18:54] <yofel> just use the delete-packages page, will take a couple hours until the space is cleaned up though
[18:55] <_Groo_> yofel: whats the url?
[18:56] <yofel> same as +packages, just +delete-packages
[18:56] <yofel> there's also a button on the ppa page
[18:57] <_Groo_> the thing is
[18:57] <_Groo_> https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa/+delete-packages
[18:57] <_Groo_> yeah its the same i use
[18:57] <yofel> right?
[18:57] <_Groo_> but it doesnt allow me or show me the superseeded packages
[18:57] <_Groo_> or the failed builds
[18:57] <_Groo_> which are plenty
[18:58] <yofel> failed builds will only have sources, no binaries, and superseded packages get auto-cleaned
[18:58] <yofel> unless the new source is missing a binary
[19:01] <_Groo_> yofel, is there any way to have a little bigger ppa?
[19:01] <yofel> yes, ask the admins (i.e. create a launchpad question asking for more space)
[19:33] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: not happy :P
[19:34] <yofel> why not? ^^
[19:35] <dantti_laptop> well I was about to completely drop support for plasma for it
[19:36] <dantti_laptop> but due to my lack of time I've been thinking on dropping maintainance for all my projects and probably fork them all later
[19:37] <dantti_laptop> yofel: reason for the why being me not liking plasma at all
[19:37] <yofel> design or functionality?
[19:38] <dantti_laptop> more of the former
[19:39] <dantti_laptop> i tried to setup my own idea of a shell but I really need to focus on other stuff right now
[19:39] <yofel> k
[19:39] <dantti_laptop> so maybe release what I've been doing not to block developmet is a nicer thing to do...
[19:53] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: for the bug you reported install system-config-printer
[19:54] <dantti_laptop> iirc I asked Debian packagers to fix this dependency but it seems that you forgot to do the same
[19:55] <yofel> ok, survived the vivid upgrade, now lets see how much of the UI-Hugeness of plasma5 I can exorcise
[21:36] <soee> hho