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Josh^what is the white button at the top left of my windows?00:31
Josh^it doesn't seem to do anything00:31
valorieJosh^: is it a circle with a dot in the middle?00:35
Josh^valorie, yes00:35
valorieok, that is the button that allows the application window you are using to be seen on either all activities or all virtual desktops00:35
valorieI think the latter00:36
valoriein general, if you don't use virt desktops, we're removed it in kubuntu00:36
Josh^interesting, is there a way to make it not show up?00:36
Josh^I don't usually use other "Activities"00:36
valorieI believe in systemsettings you can choose to display only one desktop, 2, 4, 8 etc.00:37
valorieif you choose one, the button will disappear, at least in kub. .... 14.04 and on I think00:38
Josh^thanks valorie :)00:40
valorieyw00:42
TheFakeazneD525Sysinfo for 'lcom': Running inside KDE 4.14.2 on Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) powered by Linux 3.16.0-25-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz at 1998-2664/2664 MHz, RAM: 2966/3952 MB, Storage: 38/282 GB, 225 procs, 4.67h up00:42
TheFakeazneD525I'm on utopic finally :D00:42
valoriewelcome to the future!00:43
valorieSysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Running inside KDE 4.14.2 on Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) powered by Linux 3.16.0-25-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3610QM CPU @ 2.30GHz at 1221-1693/3300 MHz, RAM: 7724/7883 MB, Storage: 414/784 GB, 321 procs, 195.15h up00:43
TheFakeazneD525I'm not running the KF5 spin though :P00:44
* valorie is also running plasma 500:44
TheFakeazneD525maybe by january though00:44
valoriemaybe00:45
valoriesome of the bugs are getting fixed00:45
valoriegood enough for everyday use for me, but not for everybody00:45
* TheFakeazneD525 nods00:48
TheFakeazneD525valorie: so *buntu is getting ffmpeg back \o/00:51
Josh^ HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.13.0-40-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Debian jessie/sid ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.20GHz ** RAM: Physical: 5.7GB, 77.1% free ** Disk: Total: 205.7GB, 91.0% free ** VGA: 8086:0166 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: 10ec:8168 ** Uptime: 4h 54m 39s **00:57
Josh^hm, well then00:57
littlegirlHey there, I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin and got some updates today, and ever since then I'm spontaneously logged out and sitting at the log-in screen every time the screensaver tries to kick in. The screensaver is set to go off after 5 minutes of inactivity. If I try to go into system settings in the GUI to uncheck the box that tells the screensaver to come on, I get instantly logged out before I have time to uncheck01:04
littlegirlthe box and hit Apply. Is there a command line way I can uncheck that box?01:04
littlegirlHey there, I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin and got some updates today, and ever since then I'm spontaneously logged out and sitting at the log-in screen every time the screensaver tries to kick in. The screensaver is set to go off after 5 minutes of inactivity. If I try to go into system settings in the GUI to uncheck the box that tells the screensaver to come on, I get instantly logged out before I have time to uncheck01:10
littlegirlthe box and hit Apply. Is there a command line way I can uncheck that box?01:10
littlegirlIs there a command line way to change the screensaver settings?01:14
littlegirlThanks for the help.01:18
keithzglittlegirl: I think that's configured in .kde/share/config/kscreansaver01:28
keithzgerr wait, typo on my part heh01:28
keithzg~/.kde/share/config/kscreensaverrc01:30
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Squidward!ops | waaaaaaaaaaa02:10
Roeyhey all02:19
Roeylordievader: like right now, Amarok is operating with 134% CPU time as given by 'top'02:19
Roeythis is insane02:19
RoeyAmarok is just not responsive at all to clicks02:19
RoeyFirefox is not response to clicks when it has like 8 tabs open02:19
RoeyIf I re-install, I need to prevent losing my @home, which is a subvol on the BTRFS partition that also holds @.02:20
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user1397how do you enable spanish characters? more specifically, how do you make a spanish n (with the tilde).  I remmeber on windows all you had to do was Alt+16403:27
keithzguser1397: Personally I just always call up a character map, but to be able to do some sort of Key+otherkeys to write a special character, you'll probably have to go into the advanced keyboard settings and enable a compose key.03:33
keithzguser1397: Once you have a compose key set up, you can look in /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose for the default mapping (assuming your locale is set to en_US.UTF-8; adjust as necessary!) for how to get each character.03:35
keithzgSee https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/ComposeKey perhaps if that isn't clear.03:36
user1397keithzg: gotcha, thanks!03:44
user1397i figured the easiest thing for me actually is to just add spanish keyboard in settings, and just switch between english and spanish in the taskbar04:06
user1397also, what's the best way to slow down my scroll speed on my trackpad?  i tried to mes around with the trackpad settings in system settings but wasn't having much luck. anyone else have this problem?04:10
naccisi am new to linux i really could use a little help getting my iphone and ipad to connect04:27
naccisi am running kubuntu 14.04 all updates have been done.  i am trying to connect to the ipad and it seems to cause a system crash04:29
naccisany takers?04:31
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fego306:45
soeegood morning07:11
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lordievaderGood morning.08:23
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alketHi, im running kde telepathy , sometimes when someone writes me on GTalk , windows pops but there is no message , what could it be ?11:48
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alketyeah , one thing I know about KDE is that the support is almost non-existent12:08
alketsuch a great software, such a low support12:08
hateballThat's unfortunate12:08
hateballYou could try #kde when this channel is idle12:09
alketall kde channels are idle, all time12:09
DansTaFacehey coucou la dedans :)12:16
DansTaFacepersonne peu me dire comment on se connect sur un autre serveur irc ?12:20
hateball!fr12:21
ubottuNous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.12:21
DansTaFacemerci super gentil ;)12:22
DansTaFacegood morning my friend12:22
DansTaFacebye bye12:22
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JunkHunkhello how to configure an old logitech keyboard? though it looks like working volume controls won't do anything I need to use applications or sound menus to control volume12:42
hateballJunkHunk: what do you mean "looks like working" ?12:44
hateballdoes pressing the keys bring up the OSD indicating volume changes?12:45
JunkHunkhateball I mean when I operate volume controls in the keyboard a bar appears on screen mesuring the sound as I go up and down but it does nothing it has no effect12:47
JunkHunkits a logitech /Y-BN5212:48
JunkHunkI didnt find that model in kubuntu system preferences...it was working with the default and it is working with the logitech internet elite keyboard set but...not quite there yet12:49
hateballJunkHunk: can you edit global shortcuts?12:49
JunkHunkhmmm12:50
hateballand choose component kmix, then try reassigning the shortcuts12:50
hateballsee if it picks up your keys12:50
JunkHunkI think it has something to do with sound config12:50
JunkHunkits the only thing not working12:50
hateballmake sure it's using the right "main channel"12:51
hateballrightclick kmix in tray12:51
JunkHunkouch12:53
JunkHunkyou nailed12:53
JunkHunkI was using the graphics card HDMI channel which is not plugged12:54
JunkHunkcool12:54
JunkHunkdepeche mode sounds cool now12:54
JunkHunkhateball you might not like slopes12:54
JunkHunkbut balls??12:55
JunkHunkballs are fun!!!12:55
hateballxD13:12
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BluesKaj'Morning all13:19
petsoundshi. where do i find config file for kmail?13:22
daroktharhttps://userbase.kde.org/Kmail/Configuring_Kmail#Options_without_a_user_interface_representation13:32
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petsoundsdarokthar: thx13:51
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EvilRoeyGood morning all.13:59
FlameReaper-PCIs it me or is it that CIFS file mounting has this one problem14:00
FlameReaper-PCwhere if a mounted share's node is down14:01
FlameReaper-PCconnection error or what have you14:01
FlameReaper-PCand the share is still mounted14:01
FlameReaper-PCany attempts to do file browsing hangs almost indefinitely14:01
alvinThe year is 2014. I'm trying to find horizsync and vertrefresh of a monitor.... (that's a sign we need a bigger budget)14:01
FlameReaper-PCalvin: which reminds me, tearing is quite frequent14:02
alvinFlameReaper-PC: You're describing NFS :-) How is the share mounted? On your filesystem, or with KIO?14:02
FlameReaper-PCalvin: Hmm, not sure, all I can describe is that I use a program to handle mounting14:02
FlameReaper-PCsmb4k it is14:02
alvinFlameReaper-PC: Oh, the issue here is old hardware. Very old hardware. < 2000.14:03
alvinAh, I've never used that.14:03
alvinI always try to use NFS, and when I need SMB, usually kio is easy enough. Sometimes, I do the stuff manually too. Ehm, mount -t cifs (or is it smbfs again?) -o username=me //server/share /mnt14:04
FlameReaper-PCalvin: well before I used that, I followed some instructions in which it's to write some mount commands into the /etc/fstab file14:04
alvinthere are more options, but that's basically it.14:04
FlameReaper-PC... and yeah the same common problem whenever a connection lag/disconnection occurs14:05
FlameReaper-PCyeah that mount command is what I've used before I decided to use the program so that the process becomes one-click14:05
alvinI think that can be expected, no? Are there file sharing protocols who don't have trouble with that?14:05
BluesKajcifs is usually used with samba /smb afaik14:06
FlameReaper-PCalvin: yeah but it's quite hurting when KDE opens the open file dialogue and it ends up not responding due to the mount being gone due to connection errors14:06
alvinIf that's what you want, you can still add everything to /etc/fstab, and use the noauto,user options. You'll see the shares in Dolphin, and they will only be mounted when clicked upon.14:06
FlameReaper-PC... maybe I should consider getting some extra LAN cables and stop depending on wireless to handle my connections14:06
alvinYou should :-) KDE can't know that the share disconnected, unless it gets a timeout. And that, by definition, takes time.14:07
FlameReaper-PCalvin: I interpret "takes time" as in "forever" :p14:07
FlameReaper-PCat least I have a 8-port hub that I should utilize for my room14:08
alvinYou should try NFS. Takes days :-)14:08
FlameReaper-PCalvin: wow14:08
FlameReaper-PCNow that makes me wonder about production studios14:08
FlameReaper-PCone I've went to uses NFS14:08
alvin2 days ago, I installed a new FreeNAS system, imported the config, rebooted a few times, and saw that I forgot to unmount all NFS clients. After the whole upgrade process, all drives were back again. No issues, but very unresponsive during the downtime.14:09
FlameReaper-PCI imagine it'll be quite hell whenever a deadline for productions comes near and the NFS suddenly decides to sleep...14:09
alvinYes, that's not good. I avoid wireless.14:10
alvinThat's nice for tablets, but not for production stuff with fileservers.14:11
alvinFlameReaper-PC: Have you tried kio?14:11
alvinIt's not fit for everything, but very handy.14:11
alvinLibreOffice doesn't like it too much. Pure KDE software usually has no trouble with it.14:12
FlameReaper-PCalvin: how do I use it?14:12
FlameReaper-PCby the way that's also a problem14:12
alvinEasy. In dolphin smb://fileserver14:13
FlameReaper-PCsince I'm mounting my music folders for Audacious to play it14:13
FlameReaper-PCand Audacious is a GTK+ program14:13
alvinIn Dolphin also: remote:/ You can create Network Folder links to all your favourite servers.14:13
alvinHmmm14:13
alvinI don't know. You'll have to try. Maybe it works, but that's typically something where I would use fstab. (or something like daap when possible)14:14
alvinGnome has something similar though.14:15
alvingvfs?14:15
jstaniekhmm what should I enter about Kubuntu here? is there calligra for it? kubuntu-CI?14:15
jstaniekhttps://userbase.kde.org/Calligra/Download14:16
jstaniek(I mean recent versions > 2.8.5)14:16
FlameReaper-PCjstaniek: Wouldn't calligra be available from the backports PPA14:16
FlameReaper-PCoh14:16
FlameReaper-PCshouldn't it already be there14:16
alvin!info calligra14:16
ubottucalligra (source: calligra): extensive productivity and creative suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.8.6-0ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 9 kB, installed size 81 kB14:16
FlameReaper-PCalvin: I'm not using GNOME, but yeah my other option is fstab14:16
FlameReaper-PCwhich is already being handled14:17
FlameReaper-PCguess I'll have to deal with the timeouts then :p14:17
alvinYes, I believe you'll have to try to get your wireless more reliable.14:17
alvinmaybe an extender, or homeplug+wifi combination14:17
jstaniekAnyone interested in updating https://userbase.kde.org/Calligra/Download#Kubuntu ? would be great, people are a bit confused if there's support14:20
jstaniekalvin: where can I find 2.8.6 at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports  ?14:20
alvinjstaniek: You don't need backports. Version 2.8.6 is in the main archives. At least if you're using 14.10.14:22
alvinI don't think the people you're looking for are here. This is user support and that is a KDE site. But you could try in #kubuntu-devel14:23
jstaniekalvin: good, so is this description ok: https://paste.kde.org/p58uulnid ?14:25
alvinjstaniek: Looks like it. I checked. 2.8.1 is the version in 14.0414:26
alvinThat reminds me that I need to check Calligra's progress from time to time. I still use LibreOffice, (although I don't have that much need for an Office Suite.)14:27
alvinapt install calligra it is14:28
jstaniekyep, the first step to have it available widely, it seems non-rolling distros get outdated quickly14:28
jstaniekit == always newest version14:28
samskiterhi. struggling to get a second monitor to appear on my machine14:38
samskiterhi. trying to get a second monitor workiong on my machine. how can i clean out any old nvidia stuff?14:39
alvinsamskiter: With luck, remove (or move) your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if there is one, and you're done. What driver?14:44
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samskiteralvin its an nvidia proprietary driver. just managed to find what i had an remove it (nvidia-304)14:45
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alvinThat used to be jockey, but I have no idea how the new program is called. I used jockey-text before permanently switching to nouveau14:47
samskiteryea iw as getting an error about jockey14:47
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BluesKajsamskiter, which kubuntu version ...jockey is depracated on the later versions14:49
BluesKajsamskiter, which kubuntu version ...jockey is depracated on the later versions14:50
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alvinBluesKaj: Any idea what the new command is?14:50
samskiteralvin: i had no xorg.conf file14:55
alvinThat's good. It's easier.14:55
samskitershould it just be a case of restarting x to get it to pick up the externam?14:56
samskiterexternal*14:56
samskiteralvin: xrandr shows a 'virtual' monitor as disconnected and a VGA as disconnected14:59
samskiterwhich of those wouldbe my hdmi port?14:59
alvinLVDS I think. Those names depend on the driver. Have you tried the KDE System Settings?14:59
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BluesKajalvin, i just look in system settings>driver manager>recommended drivers15:03
alvinYeah, me too. But I like doing stuff like that from the command line.15:04
alvinJockey-cli was slow, but it worked15:04
BluesKajalvin, the cli just launches the same app ...what's the difference15:16
alvinBluesKaj: No, jockey-cli could be run without a running X server15:21
BluesKajso you run it in the tty/vt ?15:22
alvinindeed15:24
alvinWel, *ran :-)15:24
BluesKajwell alvin I don't see the point of installing from the cli without X, it doesn't make a bit of difference for graphics drivers, unless your gpu drivers are broken and need a different driver, but to each his own15:28
alvinExactly! That's a very good reason. That way, you can easily switch drivers. Times are better now, but I've remember configuring X before autoconfiguration, evdev, etc,... I'm the kind of person that prefers to boot to a TTY, and then uses startx. (Ok, I'm not doing that on Kubuntu, but I like to be able to do it.)15:31
BluesKajstartx isn't the correct command anymore, the correct method is to restart the display manager, most likely lightdm15:35
* alvin doesn't need display managers :-p15:38
alvinThere's a sticker on the box next to me: X - indirect servername to launch the XDMCP chooser15:38
alvinI admit to be curious to what Wayland will offer though.15:39
BluesKajyou need the display manger/greeter to login unles you login from the the vt/tty15:39
BluesKajok , stuff to do for a while ...bbl15:41
mdlpehello, i made a fresh install of Kubuntu 1404, somedy used optimus vidéo card ?16:12
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samskitermy system is totally messed up now. i installed a driver from the NVIDIA site and got a resolution of 640x 480. uninstaled it and got caught in a loginscreen loop. i've reinstalled it now , but I'm still stuck at this resolution. how can i clear out everything and get back to something sane16:51
vladimir_Hello16:55
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vladimir_Hello! How're U doing?16:58
yossarianukhey !17:07
yossarianukgood17:07
noahmy touchpad isn't working19:08
noahtolszak: hello?19:12
krytarik!details | noah19:13
ubottunoah: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)19:13
noahubottu: you still there? I was over at the #ubuntu channel and didn't see your message.19:20
ubottunoah: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:20
noahkrytarik: you still there? I was over at the #ubuntu channel and didn't see your message.19:20
krytariknoah: Well, you can see *now*. :)19:21
noahkrytarik: yep. So my touchpad was working and then I accidentally pressed Ctrl-{F1,F2,F3, or F4 I forget) instead of Ctrl-F5.19:22
noahkrytarik: It stopped working, and I though the computer was hung but maybe I just though that because the mousepad stopped working... Anyway, I restarted the computer w/ the keyboard and now Kubuntu says "No touchpad found" in Touchpad in Input Devices19:24
noahkrytarik: hello?19:30
simplify#ubuntu-kernel19:37
simplifyopps19:37
geniiHm19:41
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deltHello21:54
delttrying kubuntu in a VM.... so far, really nice system!21:55
deltbut it really should include gcc in the default install... at least VirtualBox guest additions depends on it, and probably other stuff as well.21:55
deltit doesn't show up in the software center, and getting it from the command-line with apt-get is really not user-friendly for beginners.21:57
deltanyway, just my $0.02 =)21:57
keithzgdelt: Well, the VirtualBox guest additions are the ones doing things wrong, honestly, since they aren't installing as a .deb! If they were, they could properly proclaim what their dependencies are.21:59
keithzgAlthough yeah, from my perspective I outright wish that the build-essential metapackage was default, heh.21:59
keithzgIf I'm installing kubuntu-desktop, I'm expecting the *full* dekstop, and how is it a full desktop without compilers? ;)22:00
deltkeithzg: yeah but it needs to build a kernel module, which is going to be different for each machine, or a headache to maintain with all the different kernel versions and builds22:00
keithzgdelt: that's fair enough, but again, then it should ship as a .deb that depends on gcc so that when it's installed and then runs to compile the kernel module that it can rely on gcc being there!22:03
deltkeithzg: good point22:04
keithzgIn fairness, the main VirtualBox package *does* recommend gcc; the problem is that in this day and age of GUI package managers, the recommends are generally just unseen and ignored, heh.22:04
deltanyway, i personally don't use KDE, but being used to setup machines for other people, i can appreciate a good OS when i see one =)22:08
deltjust wanted to share my $0.02... peace  o/22:09
keithzg:)22:10
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Roeyhello all22:29
Roeyanyone here?22:29
keithzgYes and no ;)22:37
keithzgIf ya have a question, generally best to just ask it, and if anyone has ideas or answers they'll chime in.22:38
RoeyKeithy22:39
Roeyok.;22:39
Roeymy system is SO SLOW after I upgraded from 14.04 -> 14.10.  I want to re-install a clean thing.22:39
Roeya clean installation.22:39
RoeyI use BTRFS, where @home is mounted on /home and @ is mounted on /22:40
Roeyif I re-install, how do I keep @home from getting obliterated but ensure that @ gets overwritten?22:41
Roeykeithzg:  ^22:41
keithzgUhhh hmmm. I'm not sure that the installer actually understands btrfs subvolumes, or at least not automatically. Might be a better plan though to just figure out *why* it's going slow.22:42
keithzgEither that, or just back up your home dir and then restore it afterwards.22:43
keithzgIs there any indication that something is hogging a lot of resources if you look at, say, KSysGuard?22:44
keithzgRoey: ^22:44
Roeyok, so:22:47
Roeykeithzg:  sorry, I was AFK22:47
Roeykeithzg:  I've done the following:22:47
Roey1) ran 'top' to figure out which process is hogging the CPU;22:48
Roeyit was firefox, and also amarok, when I was using amarok.22:48
RoeyThey were both consuming 100+% CPU time22:48
RoeyI tried vmstat l  at the suggestion of one of the other helpers here22:48
RoeyI tried strace -p $firefox_pid22:48
Roeyto see if it's making any calls that are taking long22:49
Roeybut it was too voluminous22:49
RoeyI tried moving ~/.firefox out of the way and starting fresh,22:49
Roeybut it is still slow.22:49
RoeyI tried logging in as a different user, but it was still slow.22:49
Roeyit happened once I upgraded from 14.04 -> 14.10 as I said before.  You note that it's much easier to just figure out the cause of the slowden than reinstall fresh.  Okay, I'm down with that.22:50
Roey(Because otherwise I'd have to re-configure and re-secure a fresh installation)22:50
Roeykeithzg:  ^22:50
keithzgHmm, interesting.22:53
keithzgIs there anything taking up a ton of RAM?22:54
keithzgAlthough I can't quite think of what would create the specific symptoms you've experienced.22:55
Roeyhmm22:55
Roeywell firefox is taking 8% RAM22:55
RoeyI have 8 GB22:55
keithzg(If you *are* going to reinstall you can always just dump your list of packages and feed it back in again to automatically reinstall them, though, which should save a bunch of time.)22:55
Roeyoh, interesting.22:56
RoeyOK then.22:56
RoeyWellll I have some packages that I downloaded22:56
Roeylike python odf22:56
Roeythat I got with pip22:56
Roeykeithzg:  I looked for what is eating RAM22:56
Roeyand didn't really fidn it22:56
RoeyI have ~4GB as buffers22:57
Roeyand only 500MB of swap being used22:57
keithzgHmm, so it's not that it's crunching along trying to offload to swap, yeah.23:01
Roeyright right23:06
Roeykeithzg: good insight :)23:07
keithzgRoey: I can't say I can think of anything obvious to test, then. So, if you do go the reinstall route, take a gander at https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages for how to dump and then restore a list of packages.23:09
Roeyok23:10
Roeythanks very much!23:10
keithzgMostly it's "dpkg --get-selections > installed-software.log" to dump your current setup, then "dpkg --set-selections < installed-software.log" to tell the system what you want installed and "apt-get dselect-upgrade" to act upon those intentions :)23:11
Roeyoh that's interesting ninja action23:12
RoeyI've been with Debian since 1999 or so and have wrestled many gorillas, but this is new to me23:12
Roeykeithzg:  thanks :)23:12
keithzgYeah, I've had to do that before when encountering major filesystem corruption but the disk drive itself was fine. No problem, Roey, best of luck!23:12
* keithzg has gotta run23:12
Roeyaye, ciao!23:12
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