=== MooDoo is now known as Guest3438 [00:07] thanks to popey my amazon now has a related items list of entirely car stereos [00:07] XD [00:07] hint. I have no car [00:07] you can go in and remove a viewed item to stop it spoiling your recommendations [00:09] also thanks to popey further down the page is a load of hand-held barcode scanners [00:12] XD [01:41] so [01:41] watched apprentice [01:41] watvched my other show [01:42] just gotham to watch now [01:42] :) [01:42] i tried to buy a new phablet for the boss but it declined at card auth twice =| [01:45] what one u want [01:46] grr [01:46] ;] [01:48] what to do [01:48] hm [01:50] map: i've decided to pick the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 for the boss [01:50] i know the Note 4 is out, but the price, lul [02:00] yeah but Note 4 can go in the gear vr [02:00] it's really good [02:01] lol [02:01] his uses are international business travel, i think going that high-res is a waste of time and will just impact battery [02:01] he's on a Note 1 right now [02:01] and Vodafone has been getting him down [02:01] so he wants to play VR games on the plane then -> Note 4 + Gear VR [02:03] sigh. [02:04] it's a no-brainer seriously [02:04] yes, that VR toys aren't for businessman in their 60s :P [02:05] *men [02:10] lol [02:10] everything leads to a note 4 + gear vr, ali1234 ? [02:10] yes [02:11] you're welcome to enjoy the early adoption antics ;) [02:17] oh dear: http://www.cnet.com/news/makers-of-internet-infrastructure-warn-against-more-regulation/ [02:19] that pic makes me cry [02:24] sir tim berners lee has warned about skynet [02:24] http://www.cnet.com/news/web-founder-europes-right-to-be-forgotten-rule-is-dangerous/ [02:25] specificslly: ""The robots are already here, and they're called corporations. Be very very scared," Berners-Lee said. "Don't ask when it will happen. It's already happened." [02:25] Artificial intelligence is slowly creeping into the real world. It's arriving one bit at a time -- a language translator here, some computer vision there. Eventually those pieces will be put together under a controlling system that we can call consciousness, he said. [02:25] "People imagine that a stream of consciousness is going to to be a hard thing to do," something as complex as our notion of the soul, Berners-Lee said. "I have a horrible feeling a stream of consciousness is going to be a few lines of code on top of the other stuff."" [02:25] * m0nkey_ pokes diddledan [02:25] * diddledan giggles [02:27] if a utility classification doesn't suit funding to ISPs, perhaps some unique classification that maintains neutrality should be imposed [02:28] s/imposed/created/ [02:29] but some isps that are also cable companies and who may want to make their offerings more netflixy would fight that tooth and nail [02:31] make them more netflixy? [02:32] they'd want to be able to give priority to their video on demand service over the likes of netflix. sorry for bad wording. brain is a few sleeps short of fully awake [02:34] that's alright :) ah yes indeed, to prioritise [02:35] that is definitely a problem with cable providers [02:35] pretty much all the major ISPs have some form of TV associated in the UK these days [02:36] and then you have mobile providers who are even more twitchy over who gets priority on their limited bandwidth [02:37] I tend to think the opposite to the letter mentioned in that report - without net neutrality what incentive do the isps have in increasing capacity? [02:37] it's backwards here XD my ISP chose to start doing an IPTV service [02:38] I don't get why ISPs feel the need to get into video streaming [02:38] e.g. BT vision [02:39] and talktalks wtfevar it is [02:39] everyone else is doing it is enough reasons for managers to make sure they have their version [02:39] too true [02:40] I read a report about VOD services - about 70% of the available titles in the UK are on VOD but to be able to get your own personal capability to watch that 70% you need to sign up to over 25 different services [02:41] kinda like the early days of tv where there were a bunch of different incompatible services [02:41] diddledan: huh? like, film or sport channels via providers etc? [02:42] which bit are you huh?ing? [02:43] 'you need to sign up to over 25 different services' [02:44] yeah. netflix. amazon prime. etc. [02:45] oooh now i get you, in order to see all that content [02:45] and soon amc will have their own vod so may be tempted to pull it off other vod services [02:46] yeah, the 70% is aggregated across almost 30 different providers so you need to sign up to them all [02:46] amc? [02:46] as long as they finally release The Sopranos every season in HD :P [02:46] each with a 'small' monthly charge [02:46] makers of mad men, halt and catch fire [02:47] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sopranos-Complete-Collection-Blu-ray-Region/dp/B00K0OZ3Y4/ [02:47] omg it exists at last! [02:48] well you wait till everyone has the dvd boxset before you release the blu ray :-) [02:49] http://gizmodo.com/which-countries-last-the-longest-watching-porn-damn-c-1669139181 [02:49] SFW [02:49] zmoylan-pi: heh, it stopped airing years ago [02:51] that doesn't affect the math, wait till dvd sales of series slump before releasing blu ray so you can double charge passionate customers who will buy it again in higher res [02:52] would explain why really popular shows like sopranos take so long to make it to bluray, yes? [02:53] yeah i understand that [02:53] oh, amazon, you know me so well. Their email tonight extolls about 70% off party dresses, an electric toothbrush and a job-lot of amazon NiMH rechargeable flatteries [02:54] i just feel like they would've hitten saturation point forever ago [02:54] i only kind-of own a bluray player now since i have an Xbox One [02:54] ex bone [02:54] that's something norty with your previous bf/gf? [02:55] you're a bad, bad man [02:56] or has the most battery life in an electric toothbrush this side the practical fusion reactor :-) [03:17] toaster science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN_PK5pXmIY [04:23] whos still up then [04:29] i'm in bed as we speak! [04:29] in bed but awake [04:29] watching mash === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [06:00] hm [06:00] started watvching z nation [06:00] anyone seen it [06:00] zmoylan-pi, i need to write it down..whats that show again :( il save it as a note this time [06:49] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Pressure_%28radio_series%29 === Guest3438 is now known as MooDoo [07:56] map: it's good isnt' it === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:15] Good morning all, and happy birthday UNICEF! :-D [09:24] morning [09:27] what happens when you try to apply a patch file and the line number don't match up? [09:35] Anyone in here tried the Odroid C1 ( Raspberry PI type board ) [09:36] "the `-F lines' or `--fuzz=lines' option sets the maximum fuzz factor to lines. " answered my own qu [10:06] morning boys and girls. [10:07] morning [10:07] morning carbon based lifeforms [10:11] Moghrey mie ;) [10:13] morning [10:13] morning [10:16] lo [10:17] morning [10:25] yawn [11:53] Good morning peeps :) [11:58] morning bigcalm [11:58] Goodness, it actually is [11:58] How strange [11:59] thankfully only for another minute [11:59] :-p [12:00] good nooniness [12:00] hmm, my phone just beeped in a manner it's never beeped before [12:00] * diddledan wanders off to investigate [12:01] it's calling out to it's phone bretheren to start the revolution against the humans [12:01] ^puny humans [12:12] you tube is broken [12:12] can't watch any video [12:13] My tube is fine [12:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ <-- 502s here [12:13] it's relevant to zmoylan-pi [12:13] Works for me [12:13] grr [12:14] google Y U DO DIS? [12:14] That's in chromium without flash [12:14] 502 is a gateway issue [12:14] yeah I don't even get that far [12:14] I get google's standard error screen [12:14] worked here, firefox [12:14] can anyone assist with a little javascript query please? i have a dropdown menu that changes the image based on the month chosen [12:15] http://pastie.org/private/fkyg5wplcfjtbi36uz4aq [12:15] Works in firefox with flash as well [12:15] however would like this script to be re-usable [12:15] https://mrkr.io/IQUh6nssIa [12:15] so when #mainimage = 1.png then a prefix is added, rather than complete substition of text [12:16] at the moment the pastie link has substition [12:16] i can't find a good description of the options of the last line [12:18] eh? [12:19] what does $('#mainimage').attr('src',dynamic_src); [12:19] do? [12:19] replace src with dynamic src [12:19] changes the attribute "src" on the element with id "mainimage" to whatever is in dynamic_src variable [12:20] yep [12:20] how can i do src, prefix+src instead? [12:20] so

becomes

is it as simple as doing [12:20] $('#mainimage').attr('src',dynamic_src); [12:20] woops [12:21] $('#mainimage').attr('src',dynamic_src+src) [12:21] no [12:21] src isn't a variable [12:21] unless you've set it elsewhere? [12:21] no [12:22] i can't see where src comes from [12:23] var el = $('#mainimage'); el.attr('src', dynamic_src + el.attr('src')); [12:24] note however, if you change it several times each subsequent assignment will add the prefix onto the already prefixed with a different prefix value [12:24] let me test, thanks [12:25] so in the case of those months and dates: 1st run will make src="2014/01/image.png" and second run will make src="2014/01/2014/0/image.png" [12:26] so you probably don't want to "just prepend a prefix" === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:38] yeah [12:38] :( [12:38] the only way i can do it atm is a different .js for each png [12:38] which seems non optimal [12:40] can i do the reverse way and append instead? [12:44] try something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/9475418/ [12:44] the first and last lines aren't strictly necessary [12:46] (I love javascript for it's nesting capability) [12:46] a value in a function() {} can be accessed by any function defined within the same outer function [12:48] so function() { var foo="bar"; var bar = function() { alert(foo); } bar(); } will pop up a box saying "bar" when you run the outer function even though the inner function doesn't define the foo variable, because it's scoped from the outer funciton [12:49] thanks a lot. i'll get some lunch and see if i can get my brain around it :) [12:57] diddledan: most languages have closures === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:00] intrbiz, php. justsayin [13:01] php has a hard boundary at the function wall - you can't access variables defined outside the function [13:01] unless they're explicitly defined as "global" [13:01] but you need to define them as global first and then redefine them as global in the function to pull in their value [13:02] judging by google PHP 5.3 has closures [13:03] what's your definition of a closure? [13:03] and what's googles? [13:03] a function with referenced environment [13:04] so in your JS example bar is a closure, which has a reference to foo [13:06] a closure looks to be more complex than just "a function within a function": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_%28computer_programming%29 [13:07] specifically a closure is a returned function from a function rather than just a function which happens to exist within a function [13:11] maybe I'm wrong in that [13:11] at a minium it is closure-like [13:11] "A closure—unlike a plain function pointer—enables a function to access those non-local variables even when invoked outside its immediate lexical scope." [13:12] i fear the semantics could be argued over by accademics till the end of time, but implementation wise, most languages have a form of a function with referenced state [13:12] my contrived example in of foo=bar alert foo wasn't a closure but the example in the pastebin was at the event handler [13:13] well, bar is the function pointer, the function itself has a reference to a non-local variable: foo [13:14] the fact, at implementation it happens by prototyped scopes, is an implementation detail, abstractly it still seems like a closure to me [13:18] meh, I never actually studied the science of computer-theory - I just like the pattern [13:19] I never did CS either [13:19] heh :-) [13:19] which is why the pure semantics don't really interest me [13:20] but most languages have the same functionality: lambda's, anon classes, anon functions, anon subs, blocks, etc [13:20] theory is all fine for theorists, but engineers need to actually do things [13:20] indeed [13:21] and don't ask is a closure == a object, that seems contentious [13:21] at times I can imagine a CS guy would get bogged down in the "correct" CS way to do something rather than the most sensible [13:22] :) [13:22] ok.. [13:22] give them credit for being clever but can another dude actually understand the code that the cs guy wrote? [13:22] i am passing the png name as part of the function [13:24] although badly.. [13:25] the pastebin is close to what you need I "think" [13:25] YAY [13:26] diddledan: i implemented differently but same idea, so thank u :D [13:27] \o/ [13:30] i would show the results but they are behind fw and authentication :( [13:33] http://pastie.org/private/yilcfoqhv21e0wywegtbq === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:03] can patch files contain wildcards? [14:03] for matching the line to remove [14:07] you can increase the maximum offset [14:07] foobarry: man patch -- it's called "fuzz factor" [14:08] no wait.. that's for non-matching context [14:08] foobarry: what do you want to achieve? [14:11] remove a bunch of lines, but one of the lines might have a varying word [14:12] copy+paste coded? [14:12] foobarry: you can use sed for that :) [14:13] this is why encapsulation into reusable components is a good idea :-p [14:13] yes, i've been using sed [14:14] :D diddledan [14:17] Hello! I have recently got a new laptop and installed Ubuntu 14.04. I got this error that sometimes, after stand-by, the keyboard layout changes to US. I do not even have the US keywboard installed! I have seen that there are other people that have had the same issue in previous versions. There is a bug open for 13.10, but I cannot find one for 14.04. [14:17] Should I open a new bug? [14:19] i have new respect for people that do websites from scratch [14:19] and javascript :S [14:19] d3ngar: isn't there an "also affects" category on the bug? [14:19] particularly if it is the same one, and not resolved [14:20] just add a tag for the release codename you're running - trusty [14:21] It says that the package is the Gnome-settings-daemon [14:21] How do I know this is actually correct> [14:21] ? [14:21] I'm not sure if it's 100% the same bug, because the other bug runs under the title 'Keyboard layout changing randomly' [14:23] was it a clean 14.04.1 install? dist-upgrade'd ? [14:24] Clean [14:36] BBC QT is going to be "fun" this evening. [14:36] they got nick griffin? [14:37] nigel farage? [14:37] either/or [14:37] farage vs brand [14:37] lol [14:37] in a cage fight [14:37] that's a fireworks show right there [14:37] gonna get some beers in i think [14:37] brand will get farage tied up in verbal knots [14:38] farage will just argue black is white and therefore he isn't racist [14:38] farage will laugh manically [14:38] with his big wide mouth [14:39] twitter's 2 favourite people [14:39] brand will do his bearded lady impression [14:39] twitter will explode [14:40] yeah [14:40] i imagine it will [14:40] farage will say "PARKLIFE" at the end of every brand sentence [14:42] farage is an idiot who does a great job of pretending to be a smart man pretending to be an idiot [14:44] does he pretend to be smart? [14:44] although the press are more dumb [14:45] farage milked them over the breast thing, all he had to say was one comment and the press and twitter exploded in rage [14:45] it was hilarious [14:45] the problem is for some reason people still listen to him [14:45] and worse some agree with him [14:46] "yeah, those gosh darned immigrants! broken britain! i'm moving to costa del sol..." [14:47] >.< [14:47] he knows how to wind people up [14:48] well spin my nipple nuts and send me to alaska <-- like that, foobarry ? [14:49] :-p [14:49] spinning nipple nuts sounds like a right wind-up [14:50] being foreigner in Britain is fun. gives you perspective on your own country. And makes one wonder about the mental state of people you share the world with [14:51] both in the native country and here [14:51] people on my facebook who support UKIP openly? all people who have moved to UK in last 10 yrs from abroad :| [14:51] damned if I get a job, damned if I don't [14:52] UKIP is here to help deport all those useless scrounging foreigners who keep stealing everyone's jobs [14:52] Myrtti, "go back home ye foreign wench" (I mean your british home, obviously. there might be a parcel waiting :-p) [14:52] and they are the ones supporting them [14:54] and the biggest surprise for me has been how much easier many things are in Finland. Many things are easier here than in Finland, of course, but by golly, some things seem like they've been purposefully made impossible [14:55] the question is, how far back do I go in my family's history to determine where my origins are? - e.g. my surname llewellyn suggests I'm a valley lad from waleslandshire but my grandparents are from east london and my parents are hampshire born and bred [14:55] my mum's french. my dad's anglo-indian & born abroad [14:56] directhex, I choose to focus on the french and call you a frog [14:56] directhex: so how many languages do you speak? [14:56] davmor2: fluently? english & french [14:56] diddledan: nice [14:56] i also did 4 more languages at school [14:56] ok, in that case then I choose to focus on the indian, because you can't speak that [14:57] go back to india, diddledan [14:57] er [14:57] that didn't work [14:57] haha fail [14:57] lol insultfail [14:58] is there some specific reason why there isn't a centralised govermental registry of UK citizens? like, when they were born to which parents, where, and of their current address, marital status etc? is it some kind of primordial mistrust of the government, or is is just the laziness of carrying old ways of doing things? [14:58] the thing about anglo-indians is they see themselves as 100% british, not in any way indian [14:58] or UK residents, even [14:58] Myrtti: they tried an id card system [14:58] it was too expensive [14:58] they canned it after spending many 100s of £M [14:59] we have census and electroal roll [14:59] mind you my attempt at a welsh accent sounds decidedly like the stereotypical pakistani accent - it makes it sound like I'm trying to be racist against pakistanis. or welsh. or both. [14:59] neither of which work - I'm a british citizen, and appear on neither the census nor the electoral roll [15:00] foobarry: id cards don't necessarily come into the picture at all. I don't have a Finnish one. [15:01] it just that because there's one central place where all this information is held, it can be referred to and multipoint verified [15:02] directhex, I'm in full support of people living in britain thinking of themselves as british. it pains me to see people attacked and insulted because they're perceived to be non-native - what exactly constitutes native anyway? [15:02] ie. I have an identity number, that works as my Finnish national insurance number, which is on my passport, bank account details and whatnot. I can use my passport, or if I had one, drivers licence or ID card as a proof of identity, and I can use my Internet banking account details as an electronic proof of identity, because I had to proof my identity in person at the bank when I signed up. [15:03] diddledan: bloody saxons coming over here from saxony [15:03] What have the Romans ever done to us! [15:03] or for us, even [15:03] Myrtti: they don't even know how many people live in the uk [15:03] oh don't get me started on the romans. the *original* housing bubble. [15:03] estimates vary by a few M [15:04] directhex, yeah. those saxons raped and pillaged and now I'm here as a bastard (proper meaning, not a swear) offspring of their loins [15:04] foobarry: I know, there isn't a hint of my existance in here at the moment, because i didn't have to sign up anywhere, and I at the moment even can't. [15:04] diddledan: trivia .. that's almost exactly what my surname means :) [15:04] which sucks when we now have to do the paperwork for the wedding, because I can't prove I'm here [15:05] my parents are married but I'm sure a saxon raped someone and left an illigitimate child somewhere in my history [15:05] hmm [15:05] we (ireland) seem to use electricity bills for this. almost exclusively. it's hilarious. [15:05] shauno: it sssuuuuuuccckkkksss [15:05] SSSSUUUCCCKKKSSSS [15:05] Myrtti, you're a figment of our imaginations [15:05] Myrtti is just an irc bot [15:05] oh it does. especially since my house doesn't technically exist according to the post office. [15:06] which talks about odd finnish food now and then to put us off talking about UKIP and tea [15:06] popey, your antics on the uupc show how much you love your tea :-p [15:06] I don't have any utility bills for my name, because d pays them all and all my euro wages go into my Finnish account for the wedding expenses [15:06] so I can't wave around a utility bill to prove I'm here. [15:06] popey: ooh, tea. [15:07] mmmm tea [15:07] http://drool.popey.com/ [15:07] popey, cake, too [15:07] had mince pies and brandy butter last night [15:07] SO MUCH brandy butter [15:07] ok, now I'm jelly [15:07] that's just rubbing our noses in it [15:07] did popey just break() Myrtti's loop? the Bot theory seems to hold some weight .. [15:08] it was so yum [15:08] not sure what we're going to do with uupc next year [15:08] tony is leaving ☹ [15:08] awww [15:08] A great loss for the gaming community [15:08] Laura does a good job with the audio levels - makes it exciting to see how it turns out each week ;-) [15:09] ☻ [15:09] this week i had to waffle a couple of times as tony got up to fiddle with switches and cables on marks mic [15:09] popey> it was so yum [15:09] it was so apt [15:09] pac. man. [15:10] nothing like twiddling with your knobs on a live broadcast [15:10] you're really up2date with your package manager jokes [15:10] I think you should take Dan on as an apprentice. he has degrees in waffling. [15:10] lol [15:10] these jokes are really clicking with me [15:10] ooh, snappy [15:11] \o/ [15:11] we should have had cheese and portage after our mince pies and brandy btrfs [15:11] yast stop it now [15:11] that joke is so yast year [15:12] I'm coming over there to beat you senseless for these jokes. I'll need a lot of rpms to get there before you disappear tho [15:12] you're meant to just click and run with bad puns, not repeat them [15:13] my brain is on overdrive. it's positively synaptic [15:13] how does OneGet out of this complete Fink?! [15:13] * popey wonders how many people are on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_package_management_systems [15:14] you can probably install something from the Ubuntu Software CEnter [15:14] * Dave2 is not on any list [15:14] that you know of ;) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [15:52] oh man, muggles [15:52] leaving rsvps in snailmail === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:33] so I'm sat in the dark again [18:33] my place came with a remote for the lights XD so i can just jab 'on' from sat at the desk and huzzah \o/ [18:33] haha [18:34] if I had that I'd be set. as long as I didn't need the loo [18:45] I have an led bulb and a north facing office it's on most of the day and then I have a spot for when it is really dark :) [19:26] god that was a pain [19:27] just spent 6 hours trying to get piecss loaded and running in ie8 [19:27] specifically I can't guarantee the location of the file and the behavior css rule requires an absolute path [19:27] stupid stupid microsoft! [19:28] 8? :( [19:36] yeah. 8. governement [19:37] I think they're at least running it on windows7 tho [19:37] *shudder* [19:37] that's alright at least, yeah [19:37] diddledan: Its the government, they'll be using XP [19:37] DJones, good point [19:38] Why is it that nobody ever seems to be running Windows Vista, its either XP or Vista [19:38] Why is it that nobody ever seems to be running Windows Vista, its either XP or Windows 7 [19:38] aye [19:39] Vista is way more painful on the same hardware as 7 [19:39] so anyone with any sense moved up [19:39] most people i've had Vista systems from, abandoned them [20:04] I like pointless commit messages [20:04] "I've been a big boy and started playing with crayons. I didn't eat them too much." [20:07] lol [20:14] yo [20:25] * DJones would yo but gibralter internet is worse than Liverpool [20:27] XD [20:28] my mates dad at the pub quiz the other night told an musing tale of being stick in Gib years ago when the borders still existed, they shut so they couldn't go back to Morocco [22:11] yo [22:31] noone awake..? its early1 [22:31] too early for daftykins maybe :) [22:32] no sir [22:32] just channel hopping [22:37] awake? but it's still yesterday! === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away