[02:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[02:56] <inetpro> good sign to see that I'm still online
[05:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:04] <theblazehen> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:34] <gremble> o/
[06:35] <theblazehen> hi gremble
[06:44] <gremble> Hey theblazehen. How are you this morning?
[06:44] <theblazehen> good, and you?
[06:58] <gremble> I am doing well thank you
[07:15] <superfly> morning all
[07:15] <gremble> Good morning superfly 
[07:15] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: is there a particular way I should talk to someone on VanessaE's server to get interact priv?
[07:24] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: no worries, sorted
[07:26] <theblazehen> hi superfly
[08:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: glad I could help :-)
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos 
[08:22] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy and everyone else
[08:37] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[08:37] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[08:56] <Kilos> hi bduk superfly 
[08:56] <Kilos> inetpro: fix it
[08:56] <inetpro> uh?
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> no time for questions just fix it
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[08:59] <inetpro> ai!
[08:59] <inetpro> not sure what you are referring to
[08:59] <Kilos> lol
[08:59] <Kilos> everything man
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> no me neither, i'm just rolling with it
[08:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> let us know when its done
[09:00] <inetpro> done
[09:03] <Kilos> good man
[09:03] <Kilos> have some coffee
[09:03] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[09:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:04] <bduk> Morning everyone
[09:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:22] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[09:22] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:55] <Squirm> Hey all
[09:55] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: Heard you had some issues last night?
[09:56] <Squirm> Guys, I'm wondering if any of you have come across a USB Charging solution. We have about 25-30 devices that need to be charged. We have USB hubs but the only output about 500ma, we need 1.5A/2A per usb port
[09:57] <Squirm> it just needs to charge, no data
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> I had some issues last night?
[10:18] <Kilos> hmm... yum yum
[10:18] <Kilos> ian brought me some tong
[10:23] <Squirm> Received an email about something up with Hetzner CHS
[10:23]  * Squirm shrugs
[10:23] <Squirm> not sure on the details :P
[10:25] <Squirm> so don't mind me
[10:45] <Kilos> Squirm: the usb hub, has the cable got 2 plugs on the pc side?
[10:45] <Kilos> those cables put out more power than the single one
[10:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm not sure, CHS don't typically send out general emails
[11:09] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: how can one stop spam emails on that site ian has there by you guys
[11:25] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I'l looking to make up 30 ports, with 2A per port
[11:25] <Squirm> sorry, Kilos*
[11:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:28] <Kilos> and you basically want to plug in to mains then charge usb goodies from it
[11:29] <Kilos> thats 60 amps you want it to be capable of delivering
[11:30] <Kilos> youll need to buy a strong transformer to start with
[11:30] <Kilos> then build a rectifier circuit
[11:30] <Kilos> then feed 30 usb sockets
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: there is spam filtering as far as I'm aware, but I don't really work with the email & shared hosting plans to be frank
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> he can always contact support@hetzner.co.za, they'll be happy to help where they can
[11:33] <gremble> But you're not frank, you're ThatGraemeGuy guy
[11:33] <Kilos> cool ty ill get him to look deeper
[11:33] <Kilos> lol
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> or call 0861-0861-08
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm schitzophrenic :)
[11:34] <Kilos> i asked hasnt it got a filter and he said that can only help after he has told it the the pile of spam mails there are spam haha
[11:35] <Kilos> hes crying about having to mark each one individually as spam
[11:35] <Kilos> time consumingf
[11:35] <Kilos> he has left now to go home ill catch him later and give the info ty
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: also, see http://www.hetzner.co.za/helpcentre/index.php/articles/search/eyJyZXN1bHRfcGFnZSI6ImFydGljbGVzXC9zZWFyY2giLCJrZXl3b3JkcyI6InNwYW0ifQ
[11:37] <Kilos> ty sir
[11:42] <theblazehen> Kilos: USB is only 5V
[11:43] <theblazehen> 5V 60A = 300W
[11:43] <theblazehen> 300W = 1.36 A at 220V
[11:43] <theblazehen> put it at 1.5A at the wall, due to inefficiency
[11:44] <Kilos> right so you need a step down transformer from 220 to 5v
[11:47] <Kilos> then a rectifier circuit and a regulator circuit
[11:49] <Kilos> you want to make something like this but for 30 usb ports
[11:49] <Kilos> http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-quad-usb-mains-charger/
[11:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah. What about those things that you sometimes see in shopping centers?
[11:50] <theblazehen> http://www.ioiusb.com/Hub/DU3-32U3BC01.htm this maybe?
[11:51] <Kilos> i havent been to a shopping centre for years
[11:52] <Kilos> is this for charging peeps cell phones?
[11:52] <theblazehen> Yeah, this will charge with USB
[11:53] <Kilos> dont they have cell chrging points at shops or airports or something
[11:53] <theblazehen> Squirm: ^, could this work??
[11:53] <theblazehen> Kilos: ya, what I was talking about
[11:54] <Kilos> i saw that theblazehen  looks like you then plug usb chargers into that
[11:55] <theblazehen> Kilos: ya
[11:55] <Kilos> lets hear what he want to charge
[11:55] <theblazehen> ya
[11:56] <Squirm> theblazehen: looks like it
[11:56] <Squirm> theblazehen: where can i get one ?
[11:56] <theblazehen> Hmm.. Does it not say on the site?
[11:56] <Kilos> Squirm: you didnt say what you want to charge
[11:57] <theblazehen> Squirm: sales@ioi.com.tw
[11:57] <Squirm> anything that needs to be usb charged
[11:57] <Squirm> @ Kilos
[11:58] <Kilos> that box looks to me like you plug usb chargers into it first then cells into chargers
[11:58] <theblazehen> Kilos: it said that it takes power from AC
[11:58] <Kilos> you can check on that
[11:58] <theblazehen> > Built-in 350W AC (100-240V, 50-60Hz) to DC Switching Power Adapter. (PS-00044) 
[11:59] <Kilos> thats the mixup part to me , why then plug a usb charger into that
[11:59] <Kilos> it should do the job i thing
[11:59] <theblazehen> You plug your phone into it?
[12:00] <Kilos> ya thats what i would think
[12:00] <theblazehen> Squirm: assuming 100% efficiency this can provide 4.3A per port
[12:00] <Squirm> theblazehen: yeah... much better than 500ma :/
[12:00] <Kilos> so peeps just need to have their own usb to cell cable
[12:00] <Squirm> Kilos: yes
[12:00] <Kilos> or you can market them too
[12:00] <Squirm> that's what I want
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's a 1U rackmount thingy
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> good luck with the rat's nest of cables ;-)
[12:01] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: oh, yeah...
[12:01] <Squirm> which means we can put it in a cabinet
[12:01] <Squirm> it's already a nest of cables
[12:01] <Squirm> it'll help neaten things up actually
[12:01] <theblazehen> lol
[12:02] <theblazehen> What you use now Squirm?
[12:02] <Squirm> a few chargers + normal usb hubs.
[12:02] <Squirm> we have tablets, we've made a box for each tablet with a usb cable per box
[12:02] <Squirm> (box being big enough to fit a tablet)
[12:03] <Squirm> but the hubs provide 500ma per port
[12:03] <Squirm> so to charge a tablet, it's not great
[12:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:35]  * Kilos keeps forgetting you can buy everything nowadays
[13:02] <charl> good afternoon
[13:02] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:02] <theblazehen> h ich
[13:02]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[13:02] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[13:02] <theblazehen> hi charl
[13:02] <charl> yesterday got kubernetes installed, today trying the new openshift 3
[13:02] <charl> openshift 3 is based around kubernetes and docker
[13:02] <theblazehen> ah, nice :)
[13:03] <charl> i want to try fabric8 with hawtio now
[13:03] <theblazehen> kk
[13:04] <charl> running a small openshift 3 cluster with a master and two minions is easy with vagrant
[13:04]  * theblazehen is downloading a vagrant image for the 3rd time in the last 24 hours... 
[13:04] <theblazehen> ah, kk
[13:04] <charl> but it seems like the environment variables are not being set correctly
[13:04] <theblazehen> inside the guest? Or where?
[13:05] <charl> on the master and minions
[13:05] <charl> when i use vagrant ssh
[13:05] <theblazehen> ah
[13:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[13:06] <charl> i need things like KUBERNETES_MASTER, D, DOCKER_HOST, DOCKER_REGISTRY etc
[13:06] <charl> seems like they are not being set correctly in this vagrant openshift cluster
[13:07] <theblazehen> not being set at all, or what?
[13:07] <charl> not being set at all
[13:07] <theblazehen> hmm...
[13:07] <charl> just need to figure out how to get all of that working and to the correct values
[13:07] <theblazehen> yeah
[13:07] <charl> otherwise i can do nothing
[13:08] <charl> this stuff is so new it's bleeding edge and i am bleeding
[13:08] <theblazehen> yeah
[13:08] <theblazehen> lol
[13:08] <charl> this looks very interesting http://vimeo.com/112450838
[13:09] <charl> Deployment Pipeline for Java EE 7 with WildFly, Arquillian, Jenkins, and OpenShift 
[13:09] <theblazehen> can't be played.. 
[13:09] <theblazehen> hi SDCDev
[13:09] <theblazehen> ah
[13:09] <charl> weird, plays fine here (without flash)
[13:09] <theblazehen> Browser? 
[13:09] <gremble> html5 baby
[13:09] <charl> chromium-browser
[13:09] <theblazehen> ah, firefox here
[13:11] <SDCDev> hi hi :)
[13:31] <charl> theblazehen: ah it's an mp4, firefox only supports webm
[13:31] <charl> chromium-browser comes with mp4 support out of the box
[13:32] <charl> i should say, VP8/Vorbis inside webm as the container
[13:34] <theblazehen> charl: ah..
[13:45] <Kilos> theblazehen: you know what
[13:52] <theblazehen> Kilos: no?
[13:52] <Kilos> you quite handy to have around. 
[13:52] <theblazehen> heh, ty :)
[13:52] <Kilos> seems that guy hononon whatever won
[13:53] <theblazehen> ah, nice
[13:53] <Kilos> well he hasnt come back
[13:53] <theblazehen> ya
[13:53] <Kilos> maybe he installed windows server hehe
[13:53] <theblazehen> heh..
[13:59] <gremble> Windows NT is the way to go
[13:59]  * gremble shrugs
[13:59] <Kilos> eish
[13:59] <Kilos> what you smoking
[14:00] <theblazehen> nah, Gentoo/NT 
[14:00] <gremble> Is that a new version? :P
[14:00] <theblazehen> http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/
[14:03] <Kilos> does windows server come with a gui?
[14:03] <charl> yes Kilos 
[14:04] <Kilos> ah thats why he was lost
[14:04] <charl> full gui but with 2012 you can run individual nodes headless
[14:04] <theblazehen> unless you install core :) hehe
[14:04] <theblazehen> charl: I thought that was also with 2008?
[14:04] <charl> and then manage them centrally using that whatever version
[14:04] <charl> theblazehen: ah that might be possible indeed
[14:05] <theblazehen> gtg
[14:05] <charl> what was it called again... management center or something
[14:05] <charl> ciao theblazehen 
[14:08] <Kilos> hehe seems like govt servers fixed charl 
[14:08] <Kilos> been good all day
[14:08] <Kilos> go goosie
[14:09] <charl> very good
[14:09] <charl> goosie?
[14:10] <Kilos> gustav man
[14:10] <Kilos> the pro
[14:10] <Kilos> he knows much more than he lets on at times i think
[14:11] <Kilos> the skelm
[14:13] <charl> ah sorry
[14:13] <charl> :)
[14:13] <charl> he is the pro after all
[14:13] <charl> liek a boss !
[14:13] <Kilos> yeah
[14:14] <charl> he's like they see me rollin... they hating....
[14:19] <Squirm> Cheers all, have a good evening
[14:29] <Kilos> you too ty Squirm 
[16:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:33] <theblazehen> Kilos: indeed
[16:33] <Kilos> we missed him
[16:33] <Kilos> if think if he hasnt come right just help him mount it from the cd and install ubuntu-desktop
[16:34] <Kilos> he didnt notice any bloat
[16:34] <Kilos> or you can go the i3 route but then you might need to help lots more
[16:36] <Kilos> oh im sure the is a server guide he can download
[16:38] <theblazehen> ya, but I think it's not setting mode right. Might be better with i3 or something, as he just needs terminal
[16:40] <Kilos> i dont think he is comfortable with the cli yet
[16:41] <Kilos> i dont know how they work windows servers, he spoke about remote
[16:43] <Kilos> the switch from windows to ubuntu destop isnt easy so to switch to cli must be frightening
[16:45] <theblazehen> yeah
[16:46] <Kilos> i remember how the guys battled with me
[16:46] <Kilos> like giving apt-get commands and them not working because of no sudo
[16:46] <Kilos> hi hannolom 
[16:47] <hannolom> HI
[16:47] <theblazehen> hi hannolom
[16:47] <Kilos> did you win?
[16:47] <hannolom> No luck whatsoever
[16:47] <theblazehen> hannolom: Saw your last messages, did you put the nomodeset on the rescue command line right?
[16:47] <Kilos> ok let theblazehen lead you
[16:48] <hannolom> no - were not able to get there
[16:48] <theblazehen> so no rescue mode?
[16:49] <hannolom> Let me boot using resque mode and get to it step by step
[16:51] <theblazehen> Wait.. Does the server have a serial port?
[16:52] <hannolom> yes
[16:53] <theblazehen> Can you connect to it with another PC?
[16:53] <hannolom> dont have a serial cable
[16:54] <hannolom> ok booted with ubumntu DVD - I have a "Rescue a Broken System" option
[16:57] <hannolom> ok - I have a purple screen with Rescue mode in the top left cornet and a shell at the bottom
[16:58] <hannolom> now that?
[16:58] <hannolom> sorry now what?
[16:59] <Kilos> you need to be patient hannolom he does lots of other things at the same time
[16:59] <Kilos> in the meantime, where are you?
[16:59] <hannolom> if I go ls I get the following folders : bin  dev  lib  media  opt  root  sbin  srv  tmp  var  
[17:00] <Kilos> theblazehen: ?
[17:00] <hannolom> boot  etc  proc  mnt  run  selinux  sys  usr and vmlinuz
[17:00] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock 
[17:01] <Joe_knock> hi oom
[17:01] <Kilos> those are the folders in your root directory
[17:02] <hannolom> looks like it - yes
[17:02] <Joe_knock> hannolom: New guy?
[17:02] <hannolom> yip
[17:02] <Kilos> he is trying to install ubuntu server Joe_knock 
[17:02] <hannolom> strugling new guy
[17:03] <Kilos> but after booting there is no cli
[17:03] <Joe_knock> aah I have exp there.
[17:03] <Joe_knock> ubuntu server at home?
[17:03] <Joe_knock> desktop or laptop?
[17:03] <Joe_knock> 12.04 or 14.04?
[17:04] <hannolom> jip - on a HP proliant DL380 generation 3 & 12.04 or 14.04 
[17:04] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:04] <Kilos> wbb
[17:05] <Joe_knock> hannolom: which version of ubuntu server are you installing?
[17:06] <hannolom> either 12.04 or 14.04, currently trying 12.04
[17:06] <Joe_knock> okay, hannolom are you familiar with architectures? If your system only supports 32-bit, a 64-bit won't work.
[17:07] <hannolom> jip - it is a 32bit - so is my image that I am installing from
[17:08] <Joe_knock> okay, and have you gone through the installation process? You will need a screen, keyboard attached to the HP to install 
[17:09] <hannolom> Jip - let me fill you in on my journy (long story)
[17:09] <Kilos> hehe
[17:09] <Joe_knock> copy/paste all the text you've already written here: pastee.org . I will read up
[17:10] <Kilos> all the storywas last night Joe_knock 
[17:10] <Joe_knock> Let me try finding the chat log then.
[17:10] <hannolom> cool
[17:11] <theblazehen> hannolom: gotta go, sorry
[17:11] <hannolom> np
[17:14] <Kilos> Joe_knock: in short its installed but boots to a black csreen. the usb install offered the option of installing ubuntu-desktop and that one is working, but this server has no usb boot option so cd only
[17:15] <Kilos> i think maybe the easiest way to get it going now is just to mount it from the live dvd and install ubuntu-desktop
[17:15] <Kilos> the desktop didnt seem to bloat the other one
[17:15] <Joe_knock> a black screen is right. It should basically only have space to enter username
[17:16] <Joe_knock> or rather, only specify the user enters username
[17:16] <Kilos> ya thats what is missing
[17:16] <Kilos> black is black not nothing else
[17:17] <hannolom> Even on the gen 4 with working desktop
[17:17] <Joe_knock> hmmm, try adjusting the screen resolution. Maybe the text is being hidden 
[17:17] <hannolom> after post screen goes "out of range"
[17:17] <hannolom> As soon as desktop loads image comes back
[17:17] <Joe_knock> hannolom: send some screenshots using imgur or [image-upload-tool]
[17:19] <hannolom> Just the Samsung or LG screen's own message saying "out of range"
[17:20] <Joe_knock> hannolom: I'm not exactly sure where you're stuck right now. Are you on ubuntu-desktop or -server?
[17:21] <hannolom> I'm trying to install ubuntu server with a GUI
[17:22] <hannolom> so on gen4 using Unetbootin I have a option to add ubuntu-desktop with initial install
[17:23] <hannolom> but on gen3 (cant boot with USB) have to first install basic server and then add ubuntu desktop after
[17:24] <hannolom> porblem is I cant get a shel or anything to do so
[17:26] <hannolom> so I guess that i'm stuck on ubuntu-server right after booting
[17:27] <Kilos> hannolom: cant you remote to it?
[17:28] <Kilos> does your windows pc not see it till you have a gui there
[17:28] <hannolom> No SSH installed - same problem can't install as no display
[17:28] <Kilos> ok
[17:29] <hannolom> I can ping it
[17:29] <Kilos> then its connected
[17:29] <Kilos> do you have the ip address
[17:29] <hannolom> there is HHD activity as well as network activity
[17:30] <Kilos> have you got a spare lappy to install ubuntu on
[17:30] <Kilos> then you can run the ssh command and control if 
[17:30] <Joe_knock> back
[17:31] <Kilos> wb Joe_knock 
[17:31] <Kilos> catch up
[17:31] <Kilos> i dont know if you can ssh ip from windows
[17:31] <hannolom> I have a gen4 with desktop installed
[17:31] <hannolom> Hang on while I start that on up
[17:31] <Kilos> normally linux servers run with no desktop
[17:32] <Joe_knock> You can SSH into ubuntu-server from win. You need that CLI tool
[17:32] <Kilos> help him do that then Joe_knock 
[17:32] <Joe_knock> and SSH should be installed on the server
[17:32] <Kilos> oh my
[17:32] <Kilos> as default?
[17:32] <Joe_knock> I dislike installing a server with a GUI. You don't need one for it.
[17:33] <Kilos> this is his first attempt at ubuntu
[17:33] <Kilos> so total noob
[17:34] <Joe_knock> oom, it's not that difficult to work from the commandline. and it looks like that HP machine is a bit old, so the GUI will hurt performance
[17:34] <hannolom> Did manage to get a CNC machine running on ubuntu 12.04 workstation a while back
[17:34] <Kilos> actually his other ubuntu server with the desktop might be ideal to ssh to this one
[17:34] <hannolom> but novice sounds righrt\
[17:34] <Joe_knock> hannolom: Do you have the IP address of the HP? If not, access your router and find it from there.
[17:35] <Joe_knock> Then we can try to SSH into the HP
[17:40] <hannolom> cool - got an IP
[17:41] <hannolom> So how does the SSh command go?
[17:41] <Joe_knock> SSH [ip-address] 
[17:42] <Kilos> in brackets?
[17:43] <Joe_knock> no, eg. ssh 195.44.23.106
[17:44] <Kilos> aha
[17:44] <Kilos> thats better then i understand too
[17:44] <hannolom> Does not seem to work - permision deneid - is the correct passwod though
[17:45] <hannolom> I also tries ssh username@ipaddress
[17:50] <hannolom> ok - took a bit of fidling but i'm in
[17:51] <Kilos> well done
[17:51] <hannolom> So now what?
[17:51] <Kilos> remember what you did
[17:51] <Kilos> write it down
[17:52] <Kilos> while you wait for joe download this
[17:52] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/serverguide.pdf
[17:52] <hannolom> cool
[17:54] <Kilos> lol i could never figure out what servers have to do, so you need help from guys like joe that use them
[17:56] <hannolom> now - how to fix the graphics
[17:56] <Kilos> do you really want the desktop?
[17:56] <Kilos> or just the command line
[17:57] <Kilos> cli servers are much faster
[17:58] <Kilos> now you have control of it everything should be easy
[17:58] <Kilos> run this command
[17:58] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[18:00] <hannolom> I do get some Failed to fetch messages on some files
[18:00] <Kilos> they are most likely language files
[18:01] <Kilos> next command
[18:01] <Kilos> sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:01] <hannolom> busy
[18:01] <Kilos> watch what it does
[18:02] <Kilos> you need to run these commands on the other one as well
[18:03] <Kilos> unless you use the update manager on the one with gui that is
[18:04] <Kilos> the gui one will install lots of stuff
[18:05] <hannolom> Since i'm going to use blender and grapics applications i'll need the GUI
[18:06] <Kilos> so you want the gui on this one as well?
[18:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:07] <hannolom> on all - need to install blender on all of them to get the render farm working
[18:07] <Kilos> ok tell me when upgrade is done
[18:07] <hannolom> plus the GUI helps with us "newbies" :) 
[18:08] <Kilos> ya but unity is a bit heavy and slow
[18:08] <hannolom> still running\
[18:08] <hannolom> seems to run ok on the gen4's
[18:08] <hannolom> ok done
[18:08] <Kilos> ok so speed not a prob
[18:09] <Kilos> how much ram has this one got
[18:09] <hannolom> 3 GB - most have 4GB
[18:09] <Kilos> 3 should be ok
[18:09] <Kilos> hi mage
[18:09] <Kilos> oi
[18:10] <hannolom> So upgrade done
[18:10] <Kilos> ok now we need to decide on a desktop
[18:11] <Kilos> are you comfortable with unity?
[18:11] <Kilos> we have a guide somewhere as well
[18:12] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts
[18:12] <hannolom> I have tried ubuntu-desktop - Xubuntu and Kubuntu - The latter is misrable but seem to run smooth
[18:12] <hannolom> But i'll tru ubuntu for now
[18:12] <Kilos> lol i am using kubuntu here. it takes getting used to but seems to be more efficient and stronger
[18:12] <Kilos> ok then here is the command
[18:13] <Kilos> just want to see if you have aptitude installed but default
[18:13] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[18:13] <Kilos> tell me what that says
[18:14] <Kilos> s/but/by
[18:15] <hannolom> crapload of errors: ends with unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[18:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:17] <Kilos> try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:18] <Kilos> now where would the broken packages have come from on a new install
[18:19] <hannolom> sorry my bad - did not try aptitude first time
[18:19] <hannolom> busy
[18:19] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install -f
[18:19] <Kilos> should fix brokens
[18:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:20] <hannolom> so now? rebboot?
[18:20] <Kilos> is it done?
[18:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:21] <hannolom> looks so - did not confirm sucsessfull - but no errors either 
[18:21] <Kilos> here is a package manager for newbies hannolom 
[18:21] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install synaptic aptitude
[18:22] <Kilos> ill teach you to use it\
[18:23] <hannolom> same error - <kilos> im going to start a fresh reinstall - I think in my tinkering I might have messed it up!
[18:24] <Kilos> no man
[18:24] <inetpro> good evening
[18:24] <Kilos> well fix it
[18:24] <Kilos> what errors
[18:24] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:24] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[18:24] <hannolom> You have held broken packages\
[18:25] <hannolom> brb
[18:25] <Kilos> whats the apt-get command that ends with --fix-broken inetpro 
[18:25] <Kilos> wait hannolom 
[18:25] <inetpro> man apt-get
[18:25] <Kilos> that is dont reboot or reinstall yet
[18:25] <Kilos> eish
[18:26] <Kilos> oh its the -f
[18:27] <inetpro> very well explained in the man page
[18:27] <inetpro> much better than I could
[18:28] <Kilos> nee man you give me the exact command man makes me try work one out
[18:31] <Kilos> at least you were online all day inetpro so you fixed it
[18:32] <inetpro> of course
[18:32] <Kilos> good man
[18:32] <inetpro> can't keep postponing a proper fix forever
[18:32] <Kilos> now dontr say ai! when i say inetpro fix it
[18:32] <inetpro> :-)
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:33] <hannolom> back
[18:33] <Kilos> ok hannolom 
[18:34] <Kilos> lets find those broken things
[18:34] <hannolom> k
[18:34] <hannolom> what do i do?
[18:34] <Kilos> did you try sudo apt-get install aptitude
[18:35] <Kilos> oh i just remembered another command
[18:35] <hannolom> looks ok
[18:35] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:36] <Kilos> i thinks thats it
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro: keep an eye please
[18:36] <Joe_knock> wait, why exactly are you installing ubuntu-server for a desktop-like app Blender?
[18:36] <hannolom> just gave me a net line
[18:37] <Joe_knock> Suggestion: Avoid Unity for a 3GB machine. Go with Xu or Lu
[18:37] <Kilos> tell Joe_knock hannolom 
[18:37] <superfly> Even KDE/Kubuntu is lighter than Unity (or Gnome, in fact)
[18:38] <superfly> and KDE can do non-3D mode
[18:38] <superfly> LXQt is looking VERY promising
[18:38] <hannolom> tried it on the gen4's with both ku, xu and ubuntu - and all run about the same
[18:38] <hannolom> no real diference - ku seem the smoothest
[18:38] <Joe_knock> hannolom: They would for light work, but when using tools like Blender, you don't want Unity bloat.
[18:39] <Kilos> ok lets fix them broken first
[18:40] <hannolom> well I have 5 gen3 dl380 to install - I can try and test them all - sulution to my proplen sould havever be similar 
[18:40] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install synaptic
[18:40] <hannolom> Object for now is to get one of them working
[18:41] <hannolom> working
[18:41] <Kilos> lets get this one going properly then you can change gui's later
[18:41] <hannolom> right
[18:42] <Kilos> ok in the dash type in synaptic
[18:42] <Kilos> and open it
[18:42] <Kilos> dash is the top button on the left
[18:43] <hannolom> did not look like synaptic installed
[18:43] <Kilos> ok 
[18:44] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall synaptic
[18:44] <hannolom> end with need to get 0 B of archives. after unpacking 0 B will be used
[18:44] <Kilos> that means its installed
[18:44] <Kilos> sudo synaptic
[18:45] <hannolom> command not found
[18:46] <hannolom> if I enter Synaptic - "the program "synaptic" is currently not installed\
[18:46] <Joe_knock> Anybody know this guy: https://fredreh.wordpress.com/about-2/ ??
[18:47] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[18:48] <hannolom> Broken packages again
[18:48] <Kilos> eish
[18:49] <Kilos> it doesnt say which ones
[18:49] <Joe_knock> Try a different server for DL. 
[18:49] <hannolom> bet that reinstall option is becomming attractive?
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <hannolom> how do I set that?
[18:49] <Joe_knock> Go to your package manager
[18:49] <Kilos> no man i used to always reinstall and everyone bombed me and said fix it
[18:50] <hannolom> haha
[18:50] <Joe_knock> (update manager)
[18:50] <hannolom> So we learn
[18:50] <Kilos> software centre
[18:50] <Joe_knock> Bottom-left, Settings...
[18:50] <hannolom> from a shell - I'n ssh into the server shell only
[18:50] <Kilos> oh maybe the packages in archives are broken
[18:50] <Joe_knock> Ubuntu Software tab, Download from:
[18:51] <Kilos> he hasnt rebooted yet Joe_knock 
[18:51] <Kilos> maybe reboot for atarters and see if the desktop is there
[18:51] <Kilos> starters
[18:51] <Joe_knock> oh you're still in the CLI? I thought desktop was already installed
[18:52] <Kilos> if not ssh into it again
[18:52] <Joe_knock> There should be a way to change it from CLI also.
[18:52] <hannolom> lets try - rebooting now
[18:52] <Kilos> ya
[18:52] <Kilos> the pro knows how to change repos from cli
[18:52] <Kilos> im too doff
[18:53] <Joe_knock> A simple check on ddg.co should give an answer.
[18:55] <Kilos> smoke already coming out my ears from all the thinking
[18:55] <hannolom> mmm - still no display
[18:55] <hannolom> let me ssh in again
[18:55] <Kilos> so its in the broken packages
[18:56] <superfly> if you reinstall every time you never learn how to fix it. and on Linux, you can *always* fix it
[18:57] <Kilos> hahaha you see hannolom 
[19:00] <hannolom> I think it if broken further - cant ping it after reboot?
[19:02] <Kilos> ai!
[19:02] <Kilos> still no cli on it either?
[19:03] <hannolom> nope - goes dark right after post
[19:03] <Kilos> look in router if it gave another ip
[19:03] <hannolom> how?
[19:03] <Kilos> i dunno 
[19:03] <Kilos> how did you find the last one
[19:04] <Kilos> i dont use a router it hurts my head
[19:05] <hannolom> the gen4 is on 10.0.0.8 - so I started from 10.0.0.1 upwards untill I got ping responce
[19:05] <hannolom> now I get nothing
[19:06] <Kilos> now  we need the clever guys help again
[19:06] <hannolom> wait rebooted again and I have a pulse
[19:06] <Kilos> Joe_knock: jump in
[19:06] <Kilos> whats a pulse
[19:06] <Kilos> im a born noob
[19:06] <hannolom> good - im in
[19:06] <Joe_knock> the ip address will keep changing each time you reset it.
[19:07] <Kilos> yay well done
[19:07] <Kilos> now to change repos
[19:07] <Kilos> tell him how please guys
[19:08] <Kilos> that other one has broken packages
[19:08] <Kilos> hannolom: run sudo apt-get clean
[19:09] <hannolom> just jumped to a new line
[19:09] <Kilos> ja it removed the packages from the cache
[19:10] <Kilos> the archives
[19:11] <Kilos> im looking for a fix-broken command
[19:12] <Kilos> try this again, it should fetch some
[19:12] <Kilos> or first run sudo apt-get update
[19:12] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get install -f
[19:13] <hannolom> k
[19:14] <hannolom> looks like its going to us.archive.com
[19:14] <Kilos> ah didnt you tell it you in za
[19:15] <hannolom> this is prob my  20th install - keep on tryning new things to get it working
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <hannolom> so - how do I change
[19:16] <Kilos> been there done that
[19:16] <Kilos> i use synaptic
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:17] <hannolom> mmm - broken packages
[19:17] <Kilos> oh you dont have a desktop there so you wont see it via ssh i think
[19:17] <Kilos> that mirror must have broken packages 
[19:18] <hannolom> guess so
[19:20] <Kilos> sjoe can you use nano
[19:20] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:20] <Kilos> then step back
[19:21] <hannolom> I fear my time for toningt have run out. I'll do the evil thing and reinstall a crean server then tie up with you gents and ladies again tomorrow!
[19:21] <Kilos> ok cool . good luck
[19:21] <hannolom> Thanks for the assist - let the good fight continue tomorrow!
[19:22] <Kilos> make sure you sa you in za
[19:22] <Kilos> then youll get a good mirror
[19:22] <hannolom> cool - will do
[19:25] <Kilos> sjoe hy baie slimmer as ek was
[19:28] <Kilos> Joe_knock: ty
[19:28] <Joe_knock> julle slaap too early
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <Kilos> superfly: is lxqt stable?
[19:30] <Kilos> or still in developement
[19:31] <superfly> stable, yes. got everything it needs? no.
[19:31] <superfly> like it doesn't have a network widget, it seems.
[19:31] <Kilos> eish that the most important thing
[19:31] <Joe_knock> http://lxqt.org/
[19:32] <Joe_knock> xfce is still the most fluid/beautiful
[19:34] <Kilos> ya but the x things arent lekker
[19:34] <Kilos> even unity is better to use
[19:35] <Joe_knock> gnome works okay with xfce so there's an advantage there
[19:36] <Kilos> im getting too used to kde to easily change
[19:36] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy xubuntu at all
[19:37] <Kilos> i even have kde 32 bit running on a dual core 3g with 2g ram
[19:38] <Kilos> slow but stable
[19:40] <Joe_knock> I
[19:40] <Joe_knock> I've grown to dislike slow. Even on my outdated machines
[19:44] <Kilos> ya but you guys do everything fast and multitask as well so it aggravates it
[19:49] <Joe_knock> oom Kilos gaan jy vir vakansie?
[19:50] <Kilos> nee man ek gaan nerens nie
[19:50] <Kilos> vir 10 jaar nou
[19:57] <Joe_knock> yoh
[20:00] <Kilos> its fine i spent years at the coast and been to ct and pe and some places in northern tvl  and i dont need to see more places atm
[20:00] <Kilos> then id have to get a laptop to be able to stay online
[20:04] <Joe_knock> oom daar is teveel free wifi all over SA, so you're good for internet activity :P
[20:05] <Kilos> lol then id need to get a lappy or cart my desktop and get a wifi card for it too
[20:05] <Kilos> and i dont like laptops
[20:07] <Joe_knock> get a chromebook.
[20:07] <Kilos>  nono 
[20:08] <Joe_knock> daai klein 11 inch laptop
[20:08] <Kilos> nee man kleiner is erger
[20:08] <Kilos> ek het groot goed nodig om te kan sien wat is wat
[20:11] <Kilos> im older man and got one blind eye and the other one also cant see
[20:11] <Kilos> ive had a good run
[20:11] <Kilos> so no complaints apart from the headache
[20:13] <Kilos> ive lived on crayfish and mussels for years and big meats for more years so nothing missing in my life
[20:21] <Joe_knock> lol, so wag jy vir die lamp te switch off?
[20:22] <Kilos> lol been there done that too
[20:23] <Kilos> been rebooted
[20:23] <Joe_knock> :O
[20:27] <Kilos> good idea to go sleep methinks
[20:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight'