[00:01] well, okay, thevery first thing you should do is try to reproduce the bug yourself. if you can't do that you can't fix it [00:01] the next step is to install all the software you need in order to fix it [00:02] knome: would be fairly good to catch sight of it again :) [00:02] just for Justin ofc :) [00:04] so I should just edit a file and revert it in mousepad? [00:04] elfy, heh, yep [00:05] matte88: yes, but it has to be one you opened, not one you created then saved, due to another bug i just found [00:06] you can create, save, quit, open, edit, revert [00:06] knome: :) [00:06] ok, a file which already exists [00:07] knome: no real reason to not get that out to bed I guess [00:08] another day though [00:10] ok, I'll try it later on my pc [00:10] after that what kind of software do I need to install? [00:11] you'll need git, build-essential, and the dependencies of mousepad [00:12] and you'll need to clone the upstream source of mousepad [00:14] plus your text editor of choice [00:14] I see..aside from this technical stuff, how are you organized? I mean, i read before that there are different teams [00:15] there are a bunch of different teams in xubuntu, but upstream development is more adhoc [00:15] matte88, the teams in xubuntu are very loosely organized too [00:15] basically people who are interested about a thing (say artwork) are called that team.. [00:15] don't worry about organization, just send patches [00:15] yeah. [00:16] I see [00:16] xubuntu is a smallish team whatsoever [00:16] ahahaah I can't wait to be honest [00:16] (i'll cover how to send patches after we find the bug) [00:22] perfect [00:23] i'm writing this up as a guide [00:26] awesome! [00:26] where will you put it? [00:27] probably on my blog which i never put anything on [00:32] ali1234, could also publish it on xubuntu.org, [00:33] and/or xfce.org [00:34] great [00:40] pad.ubuntu.org [00:40] oops :) [00:49] http://pad.ubuntu.com/NAYlTHW4ZR is what i've got so far [00:50] nighty, see you all later [01:51] 'Evening yall [10:59] elfy: I've removed the config folder before launching abiword [10:59] it's a normal installation: not virtual, no live mode [11:01] so is this one - I can reproduce that issue every time here [11:01] brainwash: you've got a real vivid install ? \o/ [11:02] yea [11:03] enabling crash data collection in apport helps a lot I think [11:03] bug 1401609 [11:03] bug 1401609 in gmusicbrowser (Ubuntu) "gmusicbrowser crashed with SIGSEGV in emission_find()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1401609 [11:04] opened it randomly, closed it and... crash [11:05] would it help to advice testers to add 'crash' to the apport config? [11:07] maybe it's not, because hardly anyone actually looks at these crash reports [11:13] brainwash: booted live session, made sure there was no .config/abiword - started abiword, hit space 22 time - I know that because the top instance is Untitled22 ;) [11:16] elfy: do you type or press any keys before abiword is fully loaded? [11:18] nope [11:18] the obvious fix is to replace abiword with libreoffice writer :) [11:18] yea :) [11:21] I'll load the guest session and test it again [11:21] just as well lose gnumeric at that point :p [11:21] oops - best have lo calc too then [11:21] I wonder why I can reproduce this here till the cows come home and you can't [11:22] abiword in guest session works fine too [11:22] delete .config/abiword and try again [11:22] the guest session has no greeter wallpaper, it shows a plain black background. is this ok? [11:23] should show the default wallpaper [11:23] the guest session has a clean config folder [11:23] no idea - never use guest sessions [11:23] but if you're e.g. using nouveau drivers, the wallpaper might still be messed up [11:23] hi ochosi [11:23] heya elfy [11:23] it's not messed up, just missing [11:24] right, not sure what's up there tbh [11:24] when logging in there's the default wallpaper though, right? [11:24] yes [11:24] * ochosi shrugs [11:25] maybe something with accountsservice not working correctly with the guest session [11:25] gtk-greeter has changed a bit in the last few months, code wise [11:25] i guess "a bit" would be an understatement [11:25] but it's no a valid user [11:25] heh :D [11:26] but yeah, there are several more branches pending, so i suggest we wait until those have landed and if there are still problems, we can investigate [11:26] although even then, it's not very high on my list tbh [11:26] right, I'll file a report [11:26] i'd rather get other stuff done [11:26] no.. but I randomly discover these little bugs [11:29] ochosi: not sure how long you want me to be looking at this tiling update - not something I would choose to use, so sooner the better :p [11:30] elfy: as there shouldn't be any regressions (ideally and as far as i can tell) just keep using it, you don't have to pay special attention to it [11:30] if you feel the tiling isn't useful to you, feel free not to use it since you've already tested it for a bit [11:31] i'd still wanna wait a bit longer until sending out the testing call, also wanna clarify some stuff with cedric on the weekend (author of the branch) [11:32] ok - thanks boss :p [13:42] elfy, I just noticed something about the abiword thing. It seems to depend on the position of the mouse cursor - at least on my two existing installations. [13:42] when I first launch abiword, it opens unmaximized and, if my mouse cursor is not in the window, I get the bug. [13:42] as windows keep opening on pressing space, eventually I might get a window where the mouse cursor happens to be positioned in the body of the message... and then typing starts working normally [13:42] this seems to be the case whether or not the .config folder exists [13:44] yep - see the same [13:45] bizarre [13:47] I can add a comment to the bugs later, gotta run now. [13:50] could it have something to do with 'focus' stealing prevention? [13:55] ObrienDave: is it enabled by default? [13:56] no, i have all of that stuff enabled and i see similar behavior with abiword [13:57] we mostly tested it in a fresh environment, so it wasn't enabled I guess [15:33] okay i finally fixed that gnome-system-tools so it installs nt with packagekit [15:33] it's a big copy-paste job [16:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1270090 [16:23] Launchpad bug 1270090 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "time-admin can not install ntp" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:23] https://launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/+archive/ubuntu/gst-packagekit [16:24] oh, when reading that last URL i first read "gstreamer" [16:24] would have been nice too, installing gst-plugins via packagekit... [16:24] yes, sorry [16:24] doesn't it already do that? [16:24] not really [16:24] i can't rename the ppa now anyway [16:24] well, it's very easy to do [16:24] this took me like half an hour [16:25] last time i checked it just shipped a dumb script that installs plugins (and almost always fails, as you can see in parole) [16:25] yeah, i just use mpv because of this [16:25] understandable [16:26] thing is, neither of us (parole maintainers) has any packagekit experience, so it's stuck on our roadmap for a while already [16:26] http://www.freedesktop.org/software/PackageKit/pk-faq.html#session-methods [16:26] check the C example, it's really simple [16:27] yeah, i guess the problem with gst-plugins is that their package-names might differ depending on the distro [16:27] yeah [16:28] that was the issue the script tried to "work around" by being maintained by distributors [16:28] this gnome-system-tools stuff is an ubuntu patch anyway [16:29] yeah [16:29] i guess we'd need distributor-specific patches for parole and packagekit [16:29] -> not cool [16:29] you won't need to patch packagekit [16:30] yeah, but we need to have the right plugin-names per distributor [16:30] ah, for upstream yes [16:30] however you can ask packagekit which distro you are on [16:30] yup, i was thinking upstream [16:31] oh, hm, that could work/help [16:31] anyway this bug now needs a packaging person to look at my debdiff and do it properly [16:33] ali1234: one from u-desktop or from us? [16:33] either. ubutu-sponsors has been auto-subscribed [16:34] oh, good [16:34] i never know if i'm doing packaging things right [16:34] i can just about use quilt [16:34] it seems to work anyway [16:57] ali1234: any idea what MATE is doing? [16:57] about what? [16:57] with their mate-system-tools [16:58] oh, no [16:58] upstream gnome-system-tools does not attempt to install anything itself [16:58] the plan was to switch to their fork of gst [16:59] the upstream one is the simplified gtk3 one [16:59] which heavily depends on gnome3, right? [16:59] the upstream one has never done it [16:59] even when it was gtk2 [16:59] the installer stuff is entirely added by ubuntu [17:00] so it won't be in mate [17:00] why not simply drop the ubuntu patch then? [17:00] because it's easy to fix? [17:01] took you 9 months :P [17:01] so mmh, if we switch to mate-system-tools, then it won't have the installer code [17:01] right [17:02] unless someone sends this patch to mate [17:02] or the mate package in ubuntu [17:02] I assume that we are the last ones who still install gnome-system-tools [17:02] probably [17:04] "mate-system-tools will be removed in 1.10" [17:04] ?! [17:04] according to the github issue tracker === genii is now known as EbenezerScrooge === EbenezerScrooge is now known as genii === genii is now known as EbenezerScrooge === EbenezerScrooge is now known as genii