| valorie | sgclark: sorry to hear things got bad down there | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | usually we are the first to lose power, but not a flicker here | 00:02 |
| sgclark | valorie: lol yeah things were a mess | 00:02 |
| sgclark | was up to 100K outages when my phone died | 00:03 |
| valorie | I guess it hit elsewhere around here, but we must have been eye of the storm or something | 00:03 |
| sgclark | not sure what the final tally was | 00:03 |
| valorie | yikes | 00:03 |
| valorie | there were power trucks all over the place last night as I came home from my dad's | 00:03 |
| sgclark | yeah we had many roads closed | 00:03 |
| valorie | and lightning in the clouds, which was impressive | 00:03 |
| sgclark | trees everywhere.. | 00:04 |
| valorie | I'm glad you are ok | 00:04 |
| sgclark | :) | 00:04 |
| sgclark | ty | 00:04 |
| bkerensa | Riddell: I didn't know there was a Kubuntu for Mac http://download121.com/downloads/107779 | 00:28 |
| bkerensa | :) | 00:28 |
| sgclark | Platform: Windows | 00:29 |
| sgclark | lol | 00:29 |
| sgclark | now that is funny | 00:29 |
| bkerensa | valorie: we having greek dinner in April? | 00:30 |
| valorie | that is my usual place to eat indeed! | 00:30 |
| valorie | you are coming north for LFNW? | 00:30 |
| sgclark | I am | 00:31 |
| bkerensa | valorie: yeah that is the plan | 00:31 |
| valorie | excellent | 00:31 |
| sgclark | kde recruited me at akademy lol | 00:31 |
| valorie | :-) | 00:31 |
| sgclark | and I am helping with oregon ubuntu | 00:31 |
| valorie | today was my husband Bob's last day at work | 00:32 |
| sgclark | with a sprinkle of kubuntu lol | 00:32 |
| sgclark | oh why, he stir crazy yet? | 00:32 |
| valorie | he's got vacation until the end of the year when retirement becomes official | 00:32 |
| sgclark | err wow | 00:32 |
| sgclark | when is his trip? | 00:32 |
| valorie | first of the year, maybe | 00:32 |
| valorie | he'll leave mid-april to may, depending on the weather in Cali | 00:32 |
| sgclark | cool | 00:33 |
| valorie | so all my plans are a bit up in the air as a result | 00:33 |
| sgclark | I bet | 00:33 |
| valorie | I'm going no matter what | 00:34 |
| valorie | but someone will have to check on my cat Alice -- either bob or maybe my niece | 00:34 |
| bkerensa | valorie: when is there going to be a Academy in North America? | 00:36 |
| bkerensa | :D | 00:36 |
| sgclark | not likely :( we are trying for Canada though | 00:36 |
| valorie | won't happen | 00:36 |
| valorie | however, perhaps we can get Camp KDE running again | 00:37 |
| bkerensa | valorie: why the euro centric focus? | 00:37 |
| valorie | bkerensa: all the people are there | 00:37 |
| bkerensa | you are not | 00:37 |
| bkerensa | neither is sgclark | 00:37 |
| valorie | I would say 80% of KDE is German | 00:37 |
| bkerensa | and when euro centric only growth will happen in Europe | 00:37 |
| valorie | another 15% in the rest of Europe | 00:37 |
| bkerensa | valorie: is Academy usually in Germany> | 00:37 |
| valorie | no, it hops all over Europe | 00:37 |
| bkerensa | Mm | 00:38 |
| valorie | probably Berlin in 2015 though | 00:38 |
| bkerensa | I just came back from Berlin | 00:38 |
| bkerensa | it was so wonderful | 00:38 |
| sgclark | ooh neat | 00:38 |
| valorie | I'm looking forward to it | 00:38 |
| sgclark | looking forward to that :) | 00:38 |
| bkerensa | I think going back to Berlin this summer or to Greece | 00:38 |
| bkerensa | preferring Greene obviously | 00:38 |
| bkerensa | greece* | 00:38 |
| valorie | I would love to go to Greece, yes | 00:39 |
| valorie | we'll see; it's a busy year | 00:39 |
| sgclark | me too | 00:39 |
| bkerensa | although it feels like I did not sleep in europe | 00:39 |
| bkerensa | the jet lag was terrible | 00:40 |
| valorie | oh, that sucks | 00:40 |
| valorie | going that direction the jetlag is usually only one day for me | 00:40 |
| valorie | it's after I get home that it's bad | 00:40 |
| bkerensa | well I was unable to sleep on the way | 00:41 |
| bkerensa | people kept knocking my elbow and punching on the tv screens | 00:41 |
| bkerensa | so when I landed I had no sleep and tried to just stay awake the first day | 00:41 |
| valorie | that's why I usually don't sleep before leaving | 00:41 |
| bkerensa | but yes the return was even worse | 00:41 |
| bkerensa | my sleep was out of sync for two weeks | 00:41 |
| bkerensa | I was up till 10am when I returned | 00:41 |
| valorie | sleep on the plane, get an early night the first night, and bob's your uncle | 00:42 |
| bkerensa | valorie: well I didn't and I took a ambien 10 mins into the flight | 00:42 |
| bkerensa | so imagine I was a zombie trying to sleep on the flight | 00:42 |
| bkerensa | lol | 00:42 |
| valorie | running this summer I'm sure helped for the first trip | 00:42 |
| valorie | hardly any jetlag | 00:42 |
| valorie | but the second one, terrible | 00:42 |
| valorie | oh gosh, ambien would knock me dead | 00:42 |
| valorie | probably literally | 00:43 |
| valorie | ok, time for pizza! | 00:45 |
| valorie | I'll be back | 00:45 |
| bkerensa | mfbt! | 00:50 |
| valorie | mfbt? | 02:45 |
| valorie | http://isitmfbt.com/ | 02:45 |
| valorie | urban dictionary comes through for me | 02:46 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: happy audience last night? | 08:52 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Yes that were really impressed | 08:53 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: We had a young lad, Christopher ( 11 or 12 ) he was transfixed | 08:53 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Afterwards I took them all through the Tools, Launchpad etc.. he was really interested in it | 08:54 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: I was disappointed with the numbers who turned out, and it's a shame because they missed a really good intro | 08:54 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: how many were there? | 08:55 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: I asked lots of questions, and people we're really pleased when they realised that these tools apply to all Debian distros | 08:55 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: 7 people | 08:55 |
| Riddell | plenty enough | 08:55 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: I'd really like to do the same process again with you, but in different setting | 08:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: I thought about getting you back on to AtRandom, specifically on Packaging. | 08:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Then this time, I would be in my home office, with my recording setup, and would be able to captured the shared ec2 session etc.. | 08:58 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: From this I could also then produce a really nice intro to packaging video, which we could use as part of our packaging guide | 08:59 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: yeah that could work | 08:59 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: OK, I will organise that and come back to you with some ideas for dates | 09:01 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Finally, thank you again for your time last night I really appreciated it, and I think it went well | 09:01 |
| valorie | Sick_Rimmit: are you going to do a youtube with the session tonight, or redo? | 09:01 |
| valorie | last night, I mean | 09:02 |
| valorie | (still night here, confusing) | 09:02 |
| valorie | this guy has an interesting reaction: http://aveemashfaq.blogspot.in/2014/12/my-experience-on-kde-and-takeaways.html | 09:10 |
| Riddell | interesting, the little things are what makes people choose | 09:17 |
| Riddell | win key as menu launcher kde has never had, maybe we should but I've also never seen anyone ask for it before | 09:17 |
| valorie | me either, nor have I heard of it in other desktops | 09:18 |
| valorie | and I don't know what he means by universal proxy | 09:19 |
| valorie | but I guess we don't have and others do | 09:19 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: I will embed what we got on the LUG page, but I want to repeat, and get a much better version. | 09:20 |
| yofel | Riddell: win/meta as launcher key is something I've seen people ask several times, but with kde's way of only allowing meta as a modifier that's not possible | 10:45 |
| yofel | and yes, I personally never ever type alt+f1 but use the mouse to use kickoff whenever I need it. Meta+Space to launch krunner is about the most I can live with | 10:48 |
| yofel | that alt+space seems to be the new default for that is a good thing really | 10:48 |
| soee | good morning | 11:16 |
| soee | Riddell: see that https://plus.google.com/103317747728601767381/posts/YCeiaJcQpCF ? | 11:16 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ok, I've got some time, and I'd like to follow up on last nights session and try some packaging for myself | 11:24 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: I've added the video to the LUG Website -page for completeness | 11:25 |
| soee | sgclark: just did the apps upgrade to 14.12.0 - all good :) | 11:34 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: ping! I have a question on kdenlive patches | 11:50 |
| yofel | Sick_Rimmit: which is? | 11:52 |
| Sick_Rimmit | kdenlive 0.9.10 latest release | 11:52 |
| Sick_Rimmit | debuild -S fails with an error, can;t apply patch | 11:52 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Patches done by Riddell | 11:53 |
| Sick_Rimmit | My grokking of this is still poor | 11:53 |
| yofel | can you paste the full exact error output please? | 11:53 |
| Sick_Rimmit | might be my invocation of debuild command | 11:53 |
| yofel | no, probably not | 11:53 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I have a desktop keywords patch for 0.9.6, which looks to change a line in something | 11:54 |
| yofel | looking at the patch I can see why it would fail, but I want to know what quilt actually says | 11:54 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Patch compains of too much fuzz | 11:54 |
| yofel | aaah | 11:54 |
| Sick_Rimmit | let me paste bin poutput | 11:54 |
| yofel | the keyword patch isn't by Riddell though.. | 11:55 |
| yofel | the include one is | 11:55 |
| Sick_Rimmit | !kuboto pastebin | 11:55 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about kuboto pastebin | 11:55 |
| yofel | !pastebin | 11:55 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 11:55 |
| Sick_Rimmit | !pastebin | 11:55 |
| Sick_Rimmit | my memory is crap | 11:55 |
| yofel | nah, having 2 bots is confusing sometimes ^^ | 11:56 |
| yofel | well, 3 really | 11:56 |
| Sick_Rimmit | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9501289/ | 11:56 |
| yofel | "No file to patch. Skipping patch." err... o.O | 11:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | SO I brought in the update using uscan | 11:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | is it looking for kdenlive-0.9.6.orig files | 11:58 |
| yofel | 0.9.6? shouldn't it be 0.9.8? | 11:58 |
| yofel | Sick_Rimmit: what's the previous version in your changelog? | 12:00 |
| yofel | bah, they moved the desktop file | 12:00 |
| Sick_Rimmit | That was my thought, butI thought I'd start asking | 12:00 |
| Sick_Rimmit | let me look at that | 12:00 |
| yofel | oh, you got the 0.9.6 from the patch? | 12:01 |
| Sick_Rimmit | hang on give me 2 minutes | 12:01 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Previous entry in changelog | 12:02 |
| Sick_Rimmit | kdenlive (0.9.8-1ubuntu2) utopic | 12:02 |
| yofel | ok good | 12:02 |
| yofel | I thought you had the 0.9.6 source, but you just said the version that's noted in the diff | 12:03 |
| Sick_Rimmit | previous was 0.9.8 also, then it was 0.9.6 | 12:03 |
| Sick_Rimmit | /debian/patches has | 12:03 |
| Sick_Rimmit | 01-desktop-keywords.diff kubuntu_armhf-missing-include.diff opengl_optional.patch series | 12:03 |
| yofel | ok so, the patch is failing because it's trying to patch "src/kdenlive.desktop", which doesn't exist | 12:04 |
| yofel | they were so nice to move the desktop file to "data/kdenlive.desktop" | 12:04 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Its the 01-desktop patch that calls those commands | 12:04 |
| yofel | so the patch needs to be updated | 12:04 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Would I just bump the versions | 12:05 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Maybe its this line | 12:06 |
| Sick_Rimmit | diff -Naur kdenlive-0.9.6.orig/src/kdenlive.desktop kdenlive-0.9.6/src/kdenlive.desktop | 12:06 |
| yofel | no, if you look at the patch path you see "kdenlive-0.9.6.orig/src/kdenlive.desktop" | 12:06 |
| yofel | quilt applies patches with -p1, which leaves "src/kdenlive.desktop" | 12:06 |
| yofel | so the actual package directory doesn't matter | 12:06 |
| yofel | the *problem* is "src" | 12:06 |
| yofel | as the file is now in data/ not src/ | 12:06 |
| * Sick_Rimmit whirr go the cogs in my brain grokking | 12:07 | |
| yofel | if we want to do this quick, just replacing src with data should fix it | 12:08 |
| * Sick_Rimmit Ping got it I see what your saying | 12:08 | |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK I will edit patch file appropraitely | 12:08 |
| Sick_Rimmit | yofel: Were you using some find foo to discover that ? | 12:09 |
| yofel | i did run 'find -iname kdenlive.desktop' in kdenlive-0.9.10 to find the file, yes ^^ | 12:09 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah OK, adding that tip to my notes :-) | 12:10 |
| yofel | if that wouldn't have found the file, I would've cloned the git repository and traced the log.. | 12:10 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Yes I see, this would let you search the log for the file and figure out what happened to it, yes ? | 12:13 |
| yofel | yep :) | 12:19 |
| Sick_Rimmit | New problem, which I might of figured out | 12:21 |
| Sick_Rimmit | there is another patch file that wants to add and include <Qpainter> to src/recmonitor.cpp | 12:21 |
| Sick_Rimmit | That file already has that include in it | 12:22 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I grok that this means it's been updated in the source upsream | 12:22 |
| Sick_Rimmit | and we can drop tht patch from /debian/patches | 12:22 |
| yofel | right | 12:22 |
| Sick_Rimmit | YaY ! | 12:22 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ha ha ha this I am very pleased with | 12:22 |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK getting better found this on debian wiki | 12:28 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Remove its name from debian/patches/series | 12:28 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Back of the net Woo Hoo | 12:29 |
| Sick_Rimmit | A little # in the series file and the jobs a good un | 12:29 |
| yofel | yep, if the package builds fine later you can remove the name from series from good and delete the patch file | 12:30 |
| yofel | s/from/for/ | 12:30 |
| kubotu | yofel meant: "yep, if the package builds fine later you can remove the name for series from good and delete the patch file" | 12:30 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I got this back from Lintian | 12:30 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Remove its name from debian/patches/series | 12:30 |
| yofel | *sigh* sed fail | 12:30 |
| Sick_Rimmit | sorry | 12:30 |
| Sick_Rimmit | mistake | 12:31 |
| yofel | we have a lintian warning for that now o.O? | 12:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Now running lintian... | 12:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | E: kdenlive source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: hardening-wrapper => use dpkg-buildflags instead | 12:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | That back ^ | 12:31 |
| yofel | aah | 12:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Now this could be the source of the kdenlive audio problem | 12:31 |
| yofel | for lintian always google the name (here: build-depends-on-obsolete-package) you'll usually get the explenation as the first result | 12:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | In that currently kdenlive doesn;t render audio | 12:31 |
| yofel | hm, I don't think it would, hardening is about security related compiler flags... (who knows what those might mess with though) | 12:32 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Maybe its because I'm running utopic, but spec the build for vivid. | 12:35 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I think I'll try pbuilder on the dsc file | 12:36 |
| Sick_Rimmit | see what happens | 12:36 |
| yofel | nah, as I said, read the lintian error description | 12:36 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I'm confused by that | 12:36 |
| Sick_Rimmit | as it looks like its saying build-depends is obsolete | 12:37 |
| Sick_Rimmit | build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: | 12:37 |
| yofel | no, you build-depend on a package that's not supposed to be used anymore | 12:37 |
| yofel | "build-depends: hardening-wrapper" should go away | 12:37 |
| yofel | the 2nd part tells you what to do (in a very non-descriptive way) | 12:37 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Oh is hardening-wrapper the package | 12:37 |
| yofel | right | 12:38 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I thought it was teh error | 12:38 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah ha | 12:38 |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK | 12:38 |
| yofel | essentially the package set a set of default security compiler flags during build, that's done by dpkg-buildflags nowadays | 12:38 |
| Sick_Rimmit | No so I didn't grok | 12:40 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Google shows lots of hardening-wrapper issues for all sorts fo different packages | 12:40 |
| Sick_Rimmit | But understand what you said | 12:41 |
| yofel | well yeah, not all packages are updated immediately | 12:41 |
| yofel | theoretically you could also just ignore the error for now. Not nice, but it's not like hardening-wrapper is already gone | 12:41 |
| yofel | porting that can be done by the debian maintainer | 12:41 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Now I see | 12:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening#hardening-wrapper | 12:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I wasn't getting what was going on | 12:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Maybe I could modify the debian/rules file to unspecify use of hardening-wrapper at build time | 12:44 |
| Sick_Rimmit | ? | 12:44 |
| yofel | I'm not sure... if I read the dpkg-buildflags manpage right just setting "export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=+all" would be enough o.O? | 12:46 |
| yofel | https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening#dpkg-buildflags explains it | 12:49 |
| yofel | But I would talk to someone that knows more about this or leave it to debian for now | 12:49 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Would you manual change the rules file, or make a patch and add it to patches ? | 12:56 |
| yofel | former, you don't make patches for modifications to the packaging | 12:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ok grokked.. | 12:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So Lintian still Errors, but it's signed the file and give me the dsc. | 13:02 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Trying pbuilder on vivid to see if it will build the pacakge | 13:02 |
| yofel | lintian checks are never fatal by default, it's more a "are you really sure this makes sense?" kind of thing | 13:03 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah OK | 13:03 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So it's probably going to need to get to the bottom of the problem | 13:04 |
| Sick_Rimmit | waiting on pbuilder, but I think I'm 9 / 10 of the way there | 13:04 |
| Sick_Rimmit | All in this is very positive because my confidence is building | 13:05 |
| Sick_Rimmit | yofel: And thank you for helping me | 13:08 |
| yofel | yw :) | 13:09 |
| sgclark | hiyas | 13:10 |
| yofel | hi | 13:10 |
| sgclark | so yofel I had dput *.changes ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa in my bash loop, but for some reason they all went to proposed!??! any idea why? | 13:10 |
| * sgclark curses her new privs | 13:11 | |
| yofel | wrong order, ppa comes before the file list | 13:11 |
| sgclark | doh | 13:11 |
| yofel | ok, here's something you *really* want to do: | 13:11 |
| yofel | in ~/.dput.cf add this: | 13:12 |
| yofel | [DEFAULT] | 13:12 |
| yofel | default_host_main = ppa | 13:12 |
| yofel | as the system default is 'ubuntu' - which... leads to what happened to yu | 13:13 |
| yofel | *you | 13:13 |
| yofel | Sick_Rimmit: you probably too ^ | 13:13 |
| sgclark | yofel: done, thanks!! | 13:14 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Cool kdenlive 0.9.10 builds on vivid | 13:15 |
| yofel | wheee | 13:16 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I have no .dput.cf | 13:17 |
| Sick_Rimmit | so I'm gonna touch one | 13:17 |
| sgclark | yeah I had to create it | 13:18 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So just need to decide if I need to chase down that build hardening error | 13:18 |
| Sick_Rimmit | thoughts ? | 13:18 |
| sgclark | eh wah? | 13:19 |
| yofel | sgclark: E: kdenlive source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: hardening-wrapper => use dpkg-buildflags instead | 13:19 |
| sgclark | eeww | 13:21 |
| sgclark | why is it hardened? | 13:21 |
| yofel | Sick_Rimmit: If I had to do something, I would use #4 on https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening#dpkg-buildflags - and ask in #debian-qt-kde whether I'm doing something sane | 13:21 |
| yofel | sgclark: video data is a very insecure data source (see all the debian security team complaints about ffmpeg lately) | 13:21 |
| Sick_Rimmit | yofel: OK I like your advice thank you | 13:22 |
| yofel | although I'm not sure why kdenlive *itself* needs to be hardenend either | 13:22 |
| sgclark | ahh, never used that stuff | 13:22 |
| sgclark | but it seems to me hardened would only be used in "hardened" versions of the os | 13:23 |
| yofel | sgclark: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SecurityHardeningBuildFlags | 13:24 |
| sgclark | oh wow | 13:25 |
| sgclark | looks like I have some studying to do | 13:25 |
| sgclark | errr 2013 and this is the first I have even heard of this | 13:26 |
| yofel | well, it never really made the news on the ubuntu side... we mostly get hardening fixes from debian | 13:26 |
| sgclark | holy smakes all C/C++ packages, | 13:26 |
| sgclark | ahh | 13:27 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So my compat file is v9 pondering on trying dh instead of debuild | 13:30 |
| yofel | nonono | 13:31 |
| yofel | dh and debuild are completely different things | 13:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | ah right ok | 13:32 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Nah. the dardening=+all made no difference to Lintian | 13:36 |
| yofel | well, you will have to drop the build-dep for that | 13:36 |
| sgclark | did you remove the offending hardening-wraper? | 13:36 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Is that the DEB_BUILD_HARENING=1 | 13:37 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I comment that out | 13:37 |
| yofel | lintian won't check whether you add a replacement, all it cares about is that hardening-wrapper is gone and gives you a hint what to do | 13:37 |
| yofel | Sick_Rimmit: no, delete line 24 in the control file | 13:38 |
| yofel | and the colon above | 13:38 |
| Sick_Rimmit | chasm in the chain for me, I don't understand how we got from DEB_BUILD flags to hardening-wrapper depends, nor how that relates to Lintian Error | 13:39 |
| * Sick_Rimmit brian clunks and grinds | 13:39 | |
| soee | :) | 13:41 |
| yofel | Sick_Rimmit: the lintian error starts with "build-depends-..." | 13:41 |
| Sick_Rimmit | However #hardening-wrapper in the control has it fixed | 13:41 |
| Sick_Rimmit | which tells you that its a dependancy, | 13:42 |
| Sick_Rimmit | you know that these are defined in the control file | 13:42 |
| yofel | right, at this point lintian does expect that you know which fields are defined where | 13:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So I have a changed rules so that build is ith hardening=+all | 13:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | That's fair enough.. | 13:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | with hardening=+all | 13:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | no more hardening-wrapper | 13:44 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Lintian is happy bunny now :=) | 13:44 |
| BluesKaj_ | Hiyas all | 13:52 |
| soee | new music player http://www.iwillfolo.com/2014/12/lollypop-new-gnome-music-player/ | 13:53 |
| soee | brr cold | 14:20 |
| Sick_Rimmit | soee: Freezing here this morning | 14:30 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: here exactly ? :) | 14:31 |
| soee | here in Poland winter finally | 14:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | soee: Exeter UK | 14:31 |
| soee | :) | 14:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | soee: Ah much colder there for you I don;t doubt | 14:31 |
| soee | but hey some hot drink and its not so bad :) and i like winter - work goes smoother | 14:32 |
| soee | Riddell: ping | 14:34 |
| Sick_Rimmit | soee: Yes just made tea for my wife and I, and Hot Chocolate for my 2 girls.. all happy | 14:36 |
| soee | yeah :D have one hot tea also :) | 14:37 |
| soee | its a Lipton - London taste or somethig ;) | 14:37 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Woo Hoo | 14:41 |
| Sick_Rimmit | kdenlive_0.9.10-1ubuntu3 packaged and uploaded to launchpad | 14:41 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Today I just need a little bit of help from yofel to sort out hte patching. | 14:42 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I'm very happy :-) | 14:42 |
| yofel | that version is wrong, for the archive it needs to be 0.9.10-0ubuntu1 (and for the ppa it should have at least a ~ppa1 suffix) | 14:43 |
| yofel | for testing we can live with that | 14:43 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Well I can fix the version no probs | 14:44 |
| yofel | Sick_Rimmit: use this for the PPA vor vivid: 0.9.10-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 | 14:45 |
| yofel | that makes backports easier | 14:45 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I might be misunderstanding | 14:45 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I sent it up using | 14:45 |
| Sick_Rimmit | dput ppa:rick-timmis/ppa kdenlive_0.9.10-1ubuntu3_source.changes | 14:45 |
| yofel | yeah, should've worked as that's what you used as version | 14:46 |
| yofel | what I meant was the version string that's set in the changelog | 14:46 |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK so if I make the version as above in the /debian/changelog and rebuild it then it should be good | 14:47 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah ha yep | 14:47 |
| yofel | yes, except that launchpad will reject the new upload as the version is lower than the previous one | 14:47 |
| yofel | you'll have to delete the first one from the ppa first if you want to re-upload | 14:47 |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK, so this is another hole in my knowledge, as I don't know where the hell the package went to on launchpad | 14:48 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I thought it was going to turn up in my ppa | 14:49 |
| yofel | into nirvana actually as "rick-timmis/ppa" doesn't exist ^^ | 14:49 |
| yofel | you should've gotten a mail | 14:49 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah right ok | 14:49 |
| Sick_Rimmit | let me check that | 14:50 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Does anyone get the sense that I have no blooming clue what I am doing ! | 14:50 |
| yofel | hey, we all started at that point :P | 14:50 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ha ha | 14:51 |
| yofel | also wrt. versions: our/dpkg's version number convention is complicated, so that takes a while to fully understand | 14:51 |
| Sick_Rimmit | There's the email that tells me, Hey you're a plonker that PPA doesn;t exist | 14:51 |
| yofel | gives you stuff like 0~ -> positive, but lower than 0 ^^ | 14:51 |
| Sick_Rimmit | tee hee | 14:51 |
| yofel | so looking at your launchpad profile, you could upload to ppa:rick-timmis/kubuntu-utopic or make another ppa | 14:53 |
| Sick_Rimmit | However the upload fail is a bonus as it means I haven't got to get rid of it | 14:53 |
| yofel | FWIW, most of us have one ppa named just 'ppa' for general purpose testing that has a "Do not use!" note at the top | 14:55 |
| yofel | as that was the ppa name back when every person only had one ppa | 14:55 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah I see | 14:56 |
| Sick_Rimmit | SO I modified the changelog, and first line reads | 14:56 |
| Sick_Rimmit | dput ppa:rick-timmis/ppa kdenlive_0.9.10-1ubuntu3_source.changes | 14:56 |
| Sick_Rimmit | ffs | 14:56 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Not that | 14:56 |
| Sick_Rimmit | kdenlive (0.9.10-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04_ppa1) vivid; urgency=medium | 14:56 |
| yofel | wrong, ~ppa1, not _ppa1 | 14:56 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah its ok that was a typo not me misunderstanding | 14:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I fixed that | 14:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | kdenlive (0.9.10-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1) vivid; urgency=medium | 14:57 |
| yofel | '~' *lowers* the version, so 1~1 << 1 << 1.1 | 14:57 |
| yofel | like that the 0.9.10-0ubuntu1 package in the archive will be higher than your ppa version | 14:58 |
| yofel | which is usually what you want | 14:58 |
| yofel | that looks fine now | 14:58 |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK, I'll build it | 14:59 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So my plan with this was for this build to be merged into the vivid release. I'm assuming that to do that I dput it to a ppa of my own, then tell you folks about it and you can accept, reject and provide feedback. Is that the process ? | 15:08 |
| yofel | for resting you can put it in a ppa. The offical package update process would be to open a package bug on launchpad requesting the new version, then attaching the tarball, dsc and debian.tar to the bug and requesting sponsorship | 15:09 |
| yofel | actually, you should usually open the bug *before* you start working on it so people know that | 15:10 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah right | 15:11 |
| Sick_Rimmit | The only way I found so far to open a bug on lauchpad was with ubuntu-bug .. | 15:12 |
| yofel | well, you can also do it from the UI, but for these things we actually have a shortcut | 15:13 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Am I missing something on the Launchpad WebUI | 15:13 |
| yofel | kubotu: newversion kdenlive 0.9.10 | 15:13 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah right | 15:13 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1402216 | 15:13 |
| yofel | there we go :) | 15:13 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Oh boy that's great | 15:14 |
| yofel | otherwise, there's a "Report a bug" link on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive/ | 15:14 |
| yofel | out of curiosity: what happens if you click that? | 15:15 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Blooming Heck I've got some house work to do ;-) | 15:16 |
| yofel | now, if you don't plan to work on it, you should usually document where to get the new version etc. in the description | 15:18 |
| yofel | if you do though, you should assign the bug to yourself and set the status to in-progress | 15:18 |
| yofel | once you're done, you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess#Requesting_Sponsorship | 15:20 |
| Sick_Rimmit | There are a lot of bugs there that all relate back to this issue | 15:22 |
| Sick_Rimmit | no audio in render | 15:22 |
| yofel | which reminds me of another thing that's missing currently: | 15:23 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I believe the foundation cause is in libav, and there is mention of this on bugs.debian | 15:23 |
| yofel | now that you have a bug that tracks your update, you should close it with your version. For that you add (LP: #1402216) to the changelog line where you say that you're updating the version | 15:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1402216 in kdenlive (Ubuntu) "Please update kdenlive to 0.9.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1402216 | 15:23 |
| yofel | so it look somewhat like " * New upstream release (LP: #1402216)" | 15:24 |
| yofel | *looks | 15:24 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Okey dokey | 15:24 |
| * yofel out, bbl | 15:29 | |
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| yofel | brrrr | 19:45 |
| yofel | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/parley-data_4%3a14.11.97-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): | 19:45 |
| yofel | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/actions/edit-clear.png', which is also in package oxygen-icon-theme 4:14.11.97-0ubuntu1 | 19:45 |
| yofel | and how did "* PPA build" make it into the parley release changelog o.O | 19:50 |
| yofel | that's only added by git-buildpackage-ppa | 19:50 |
| sgclark | product from my boo boo? | 19:51 |
| yofel | no, I have the feeling that Riddell copied the actual package contents into git after modification | 19:51 |
| yofel | I forgot that he works like that when I added that | 19:51 |
| sgclark | ahh | 19:51 |
| yofel | oh | 19:52 |
| yofel | that's there because I have to pass *something* to dch when I change the version -.- | 19:52 |
| yofel | can we please force everyone to use exactly one single packaging workflow? would make so many things easier XD | 19:54 |
| sgclark | mmhmm | 19:54 |
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