[00:46] <katastro63> hello people I want to know if we can for example run with an intel gpu but in the same time sometimes choose to run juste a program with nvidia ?
[01:59] <xubuntu45w> I downloaded and saved on a dvd, xubundu remix 14.04.iso. I would like to install on my new laptop over windows 8. Is there anything I need to know before I start
[01:59] <aynrand420> man xubuntu keeps doing a disk check then restarting then freezing
[02:01] <drc> xubuntu45w: define "saved"
[02:05] <xubuntu45w> downloaded the full program and copied on the DVD to use for installing.
[02:05] <bazhang> copied how
[02:05] <drc> nope, won't work... see  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-windows
[02:06] <drc> assuming you mean simply copied the iso to the dvd (see bazhang :)
[02:10] <xubuntu45w> so nero burner wouldnt work, "question mark". sorry, i bought this in colombia, it came spanish, and when they changed it to english for me, just windows is english, and the keys don't correspond correctly, so i don't know where the question mark is,
[02:11] <xubuntu45w> so how do i install xubundu remix
[02:11] <bazhang> xubunDu with a D?
[02:11] <drc> from a windows machine?
[02:11] <xubuntu45w> sorry, new to this
[02:12] <xubuntu45w> yes
[02:12] <xubuntu45w> windows 8
[02:12] <bazhang> T or D
[02:12] <xubuntu45w> t
[02:12] <drc> Xubuntu or XubunDu ?
[02:12] <drc> ok
[02:12] <drc>  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-windows
[02:12] <xubuntu45w> is there a d
[02:12] <bazhang> give us the link
[02:12] <drc> no
[02:12] <xubuntu45w> ok
[02:12] <bazhang> where did you get this iso
[02:15] <xubuntu45w> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xubunturemix/files/
[02:15] <xangua> xubuntu45w: you can download xubuntu from http://xubuntu.org/
[02:17] <drc> xubuntu45w: No idea what this remix is...wouldn't trust it...get the official iso from the link xangua gave you
[02:17] <xubuntu45w> this one is a remix with added apps and look etc...
[02:17] <drc> wouldn't trust it, don't know the project, dont know the person.
[02:17] <xubuntu45w> http://www.cupoflinux.com/SBB/index.php/topic,842.0.html
[02:18] <bazhang> not supported here, get the real deal
[02:18] <xubuntu45w> okay, thanks
[02:18] <drc> not only not supported, actively discouraged.
[02:18] <bazhang> it's trivial to add the other stuff later
[02:19] <xubuntu45w> just thought it would same me time figureing it all out, lol
[02:19] <xubuntu45w> and i liked the look
[02:19] <bazhang> just a few commands, and you have nearly all of it
[02:19] <xubuntu45w> if you have time, take a look
[02:19] <bazhang> I just did
[02:19] <xubuntu45w> really, okay, thanks
[02:20] <bazhang> plus you get the never sleeping support here
[02:20] <xubuntu45w> awesome
[02:20] <xubuntu45w> thanks again
[02:21] <xubuntu45w> is this ubuntu or xubuntu
[02:21] <xubuntu45w> the link you gave me
[02:21] <drc> xubuntu is ubuntu+XFCE...it's all the same underneath.
[02:22] <drc> the like will say ubuntu, just replace with xubuntu
[02:23] <xubuntu45w> is there any danger in installing over windows8
[02:23] <drc> yes
[02:23] <xubuntu45w> i thought so,,,,what do i need to know
[02:24] <drc> I thought you said install "over windows"...you want to keep windows AND install xubuntu?
[02:24] <xubuntu45w> if i install windows 7 and use that would it be better. i just bought this and they said they could install windows 7 but loose the 8 licence
[02:25] <xubuntu45w> thats fine, i can keep windows 8 but the keyboad is messed up when they change from spanish to english
[02:25] <xubuntu45w> its a spanish keyboard\
[02:25] <drc> the question remains, do you want Xubuntu or Windows + Xubuntu?
[02:25] <xubuntu45w> xubuntu
[02:26] <drc> then don't worry, the install program will take care of all partitioning and formatting...just select the autoinstall feature.
[02:26] <xubuntu45w> great, thanks
[02:26] <drc> But it WILL get rid of windows on that machine.
[02:27] <xubuntu45w> thats fine, as long as xubuntu works
[02:27] <drc> And you don't want to install Xubuntu/linux and THEN windows (causes big problems)
[02:27] <xubuntu45w> okay, no windows, i am sold on linux
[02:28] <drc> It Xubuntu works from the live DVD, the chances are great that it will work after an install
[02:29] <xubuntu45w> not familiar with this. how does it work with live DVD
[02:30] <xubuntu45w> thats okay, i will try to figure it out
[02:30] <xubuntu45w> so copy from here... http://xubuntu.org/
[02:30] <drc> WHen you burn the iso to a DVD you get what is called a Live DVD...boot the DVD and you can both install and Run Xubuntu itself, prior to installing
[02:31] <xubuntu45w> cool
[02:34] <xubuntu45w> do i save it, or download it with free torrent helper
[02:34] <drc> actually http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ will get you closer to DL the iso.  Make sure you know which version you want 14.04 LTS (long term support) or 14.10 the most recent version.  The make sure you get which ever architecture you computer is 32 or 64 bit
[02:34] <xubuntu45w> its 64
[02:35] <drc> If in doubt, go for the 14.04 64 bit version.
[02:37] <drc> er...how much RAM?
[02:38] <xubuntu45w> 4
[02:38] <bazhang> more than enough
[02:38] <drc> yup 14.04 64 bit.
[02:38] <xubuntu45w> so do i save or open with torrent
[02:39] <drc> I use torrents
[02:39] <bazhang>  .torrent is open with utorrent or whatever
[02:40] <bazhang>  .iso is just straight dl
[02:40] <xubuntu45w> so once i start, it will erase windows
[02:40] <bazhang> no
[02:41] <xubuntu45w> okay, thanks
[02:41] <bazhang> is that what you want?
[02:44] <xubuntu45w> yes, if it is easy is that
[02:44] <bazhang> it's certainly possible, but you might consider first running it as a dual boot
[02:45] <xubuntu45w> how do i do that
[02:45] <bazhang> the installer will walk you through it, and you can connect to this irc channel as you go
[02:46] <xubuntu45w> sounds good
[02:46] <xubuntu45w> sounds great even
[02:47] <xubuntu45w> is there any real issues with windows8
[02:48] <bazhang> apart from you'll want to use it less and less?
[02:48] <xubuntu45w> lol, awesome
[02:48] <bazhang> again, any problems/issues *during * install, ask here
[02:49] <bazhang> of course, back up any important things beforehand, as well as you can
[02:52] <xubuntu45w> okay, thanks,,,,new computer so nothing to loose
[02:53] <bazhang> :)
[02:55] <drc> xubuntu45w: Since this is a new computer, I'd run Xubuntu from the Live DVD for a little while before installing, just to make sure all your hardware works.  If it does, you can install Xubuntu driectly  from the running Live DVD without rebooting.
[04:19] <Deezl> What is a good lightweight graphical file browser?  Dolphin?
[06:48] <perfarator> Deezl, obviouly, thunar
[07:47] <Gotolei> just upgraded to 14.10, and I'm having a difficult time with the power manager
[07:48] <Gotolei> I'm trying to set it to only lock and power off the screen when I close the lid, but it ignores the settings I set and suspends
[07:48] <Gotolei> in 14.04 it could be changed by hacking around some obscure config file, but not even that works anymore
[07:48] <Gotolei> how does a person actually change the settings?
[08:15] <Gotolei> also while I'm at it, is there a way to change how lightlocker handles transparent wallpapers
[08:15] <Gotolei> on the desktop, it draws gradients etc behind it like it's supposed to
[08:15] <Gotolei> but on the lockscreen it's a glitchfest
[08:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> transparent wallpapers?
[08:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> Is this something that requires the compositor to be enabled? If so, lightlocker may not benefit from this, since the compositor for the desktop environment may not extend to lightlocker.
[08:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, if lightlocker doesn't have a compositor, you're going to have a bad time.
[08:21] <Gotolei> it's definitely displaying something behind the image
[08:21] <Gotolei> mostly solid white, but if profiles are switched around it gets all sorts of seams and what looks like buffer leaks
[08:23] <Gotolei> anyway it's definitely not the bluish-green gradient i have set
[08:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Is the background just a standard picture file?
[08:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> And, are you using compiz?
[08:27] <Gotolei> it's a semitransparent image with a gradient background
[08:28] <Gotolei> it works in both compiz and xfwm4, even with compositing disabled
[08:28] <Gotolei> and this is the *lockscreen*
[08:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, it's still just a standard format. Like, jpg, or gif, or png.
[08:28] <Gotolei> yes, semitransparent png
[08:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, compiz can be off and the background is still fine, on the desktop?
[08:29] <Gotolei> yes
[08:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm... Starting to sound more like a gpu issue.
[08:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> What is your gpu?
[08:29] <Gotolei> intel integrated
[08:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> what model?
[08:30] <Gotolei> i think 3000? the cpu is i3-2330m
[08:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm.... can't say it's too old. :)
[08:31] <Gotolei> if it's capable of running compiz then i'd hope it'd be capable of overlaying a simple transparent image :p
[08:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> It might be possible that the issue can be fixed with a conf file in an xorg.conf.d directory. You may have to enable a display option to clean that up.
[08:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Could be something with the acceleration method.
[08:32] <Gotolei> why is everything in xubuntu some obscure config file or another :I
[08:33] <Gotolei> first power manager, now this
[08:33] <Gotolei> it didn't work in 14.04 either, but it wasn't this bad
[08:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, newer intel gpus have a newer acceleration method. It's possible that it's not enabled in xorg by default. So, you make one to change the default behavior of xorg, governing that gpu.
[08:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's not a mile long thing you have to write. Just gotta add the lines you want to affect.
[08:35] <Gotolei> i'd messed around with xorg before, and nothing good has come out of it
[08:35] <Gotolei> 14.10 is broken enough as it is lol
[08:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> arch wiki has a great page on the subject of writing xorg conf files, and where they should go.
[08:36] <Gotolei> more trouble than it's worth, it seems :/
[08:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol... I've had to mess with it for older intel chips.
[08:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> Especially i865 laptop chips.
[08:37] <Gotolei> if i'm going to pour a bunch of time into troubleshooting something and trial and error
[08:37] <Gotolei> i'd rather spend it trying to figure out wth is with the lid close behavior
[08:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... that's a systemd thing.
[08:38] <Gotolei> i've changed the settings in a logind.conf but that doesn't work anymore
[08:38] <Gotolei> i was under the impression the systemd problems were supposed to be fixed after 14.04
[08:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, I thought I was the only one.
[08:40] <Gotolei> https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=9169
[08:40] <Gotolei> ^ worked in 14.04, but not anymore
[08:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> One day, it did exactly what I wanted. After an update, it ignored me.
[08:40] <Gotolei> isn't it fun :3
[08:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, a barrel of monkeys. XD
[08:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use to use the LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=
[08:41] <Gotolei> i'd like to give 14.10 a bit of a chance because i've been running it all of five hours
[08:42] <Gotolei> but not a good first impression
[08:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> It worked perfectly, until it didn't.
[08:42] <Gotolei> yeah, i changed that and HandleLidSwitch
[08:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> That line allowed the power manager to control everything about the lid switch. Now, meh...
[08:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> When it was working, I didn't even use light locker.
[08:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> I used gnome-screensaver.
[08:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> I found lightlocker gave me issues.
[08:44] <Gotolei> i like to have it when i close the lid it a) locks and b) powers off the lid
[08:44] <Gotolei> and c) actually turn the screen back on after unlock
[08:44] <Gotolei> yeah idk about lightlocker
[08:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> Which is a shame because, I like the premise of lightlocker as being a compliment to xfce.
[08:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> or rather to lightdm.
[08:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> gnome-screensaver feels a little out of place. But, it always worked as expected.
[08:47] <Gotolei> does it handle lid closing properly? or is that an underlying systemd issue
[08:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> It seemed to help. with lightlocker, it felt as though it didn't respect user settings in power manager..
[08:48] <Gotolei> indeed it doesn't
[08:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, have the updates to systemd it's not as cooperative.
[08:48] <Gotolei> hm, does it pull in a ton of deps?
[08:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> *have=after
[08:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't remember off hand, but I don't believe it pulls in too much.
[08:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> xfce is gtk2, so no extras there.
[08:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> and it's not like it pulls in an entirely new de.
[08:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> apt-get will tell you better, when it confirms install.
[08:49] <Gotolei> ..welp synaptic's broken as well now
[08:50] <Gotolei> yeah it doesn't look like it pulls in anything extra
[08:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> Really? When did that happen?
[08:50] <Gotolei> just now, it froze for like half an hour while installing wine
[08:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> It might be an issue with installing wine. You may have to get apt-get to fix it, or install from there.
[08:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> Once upon a time, there was a prompt you had to answer, and it didn't show up in synaptic. so, it just sat there.
[08:51] <Gotolei> ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[08:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> yeah, it's that stupid EULA.
[08:52] <Gotolei> funny how one random thing is enough to cripple a system
[08:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> They had fixed it, at one point. But, who knows.
[08:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> regressions can happen.
[08:53] <Gotolei> how does one recover from it
[08:53] <Gotolei> it never geve me any prompt
[08:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> if you kill synaptic, and try to run apt-get in terminal, it'll tell you that it can't because an install was interupted. Then, it'll give you the command you need to use.
[08:55] <Gotolei> it's giving me nothing
[08:55] <Gotolei> trying something found on ubuntuforums anyways
[08:56] <Gotolei> terminals whining about libssl now :?
[08:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> sudo dpkg -a --configure
[08:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> I think that's the command to fix an interupted install.
[08:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> what's the error for that?
[08:57] <Gotolei> zero output
[08:57] <Gotolei> screw it, i'll just try a reboot
[09:01] <Gotolei> reinstalled without hassle
[09:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> cool
[09:02] <Gotolei> there we go, only now does it do the popup :|
[09:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> XD
[09:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> linux life.
[09:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> Still better than windows.
[09:03] <Gotolei> so for gnome-screensaver, do you set it to run at startup and replace lightlocker or something?
[09:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yes.
[09:03] <Gotolei> --replace ?
[09:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> no
[09:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, I dunno.
[09:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just installed it, changed it in startup, rebooted, tested it, and then remove the other on success.
[09:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> A bit lengthy but, effective.
[09:05] <Gotolei> ..and now synaptic's running through ttfjunk-installer again
[09:05] <Gotolei> and yup, got gnome-screensaver working
[09:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> cool
[09:06] <Gotolei> doesn't fix lid close causing suspend though
[09:06] <Gotolei> but at least it doesn't look like a giant swathe of bird poop]
[09:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, once gnome-screensaver is installed, logind.conf options should be more compliant.
[09:07] <Gotolei> so reboot again?
[09:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> "should"
[09:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> With gnome-screensaver installed, the ignore inhibited option should work better. Then the power manager should be more compliant.
[09:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's a PITA, all the way around.
[09:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, when it was working, it worked great.
[09:08] <Gotolei> ..ok, just realized another dumb
[09:08] <Gotolei> everysingle line is commented
[09:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yes. lol
[09:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> Commented lines show you the default behavior
[09:08] <Gotolei> HandleLidSwitch=ignore  and  LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=no to have it not suspend?
[09:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I like to write a new line to preserve the information.
[09:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just leave the Handlelidswitch alone
[09:09] <Gotolei> it's set to suspend by default
[09:09] <Gotolei> which is exactly the opposite of what i want it to do
[09:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ignore Inhibited should be yes, if I remember correctly.
[09:10] <Gotolei> ..which is the default behavior it's currently set to
[09:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, then it's no
[09:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Thanks. I always get that backwards.
[09:11] <Gotolei> mmk
[09:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> By using the the inhibited line, systemd should fall into lockstep with power manager settigs.
[09:11] <Gotolei> xfce's or what gnome-screensaver uses?
[09:11] <Gotolei> or are they one and the same
[09:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> gnome-screensaver shouldn't have pulled any gnome power manager.
[09:12] <Gotolei> ok so xfce's
[09:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup
[09:12] <Gotolei> mmk
[09:12] <Gotolei> rebooting again
[09:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> wb
[09:17] <Gotolei> o/
[09:17] <Gotolei> still suspends ._.
[09:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> :(
[09:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, one out of 2 ain't the worst.
[09:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> As I said, after a specific update, it hasn't been the same.
[09:18] <Gotolei> mm
[09:18] <Gotolei> trying handlelidswitch=ignore because can't be too sure
[09:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> At least you don't have a freaky display with gnome-screensaver.
[09:18] <Gotolei> yeah
[09:21] <Gotolei> still a no
[09:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> :(
[09:21] <Gotolei> guessing 14.10 is a lost cause at this point
[09:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, that's a problem with 14.04 too.
[09:21] <Gotolei> synaptic still throwing errors
[09:21] <Gotolei> yeah but at least the fix worked
[09:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> really?
[09:22] <Gotolei> "failure to download extra data files"
[09:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> I guess I'm glad I didn't upgrade.
[09:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Usually, I chase after the newest versions. Didn't help that the only way to get something better than xfce 4.8 was to not use 12.04.
[09:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, with no major upgrades to 4.1x, It's not as neccessary to move.
[09:24] <Gotolei> ah, 12.04. last i had a distro that actually handled backlights properly
[09:24] <Gotolei> now it glitches around if set under 15% or so
[09:24] <brainwash> Gotolei: I did not read the whole backlog, but I suggest that you report the greeter wallpaper glitch on launchpad -> run "ubuntu-bug lightdm-gtk-gteeter"
[09:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't think it's lightdm itself, brainwash. It's coupled with the use of lightlocker
[09:25] <Gotolei> well it's the initial login as well
[09:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, then report it.
[09:26] <brainwash> also, bug 1307545
[09:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh gosh. It's been a bug for some time.
[09:27] <Gotolei> a typical ubuntu bug, then
[09:27] <Gotolei> "this is a big problem. let's ignore it"
[09:27] <brainwash> it's a strange bug, it was initially fixed in 13.10.. and some people still report, that it's not working properly
[09:28] <Gotolei> mm
[09:30] <brainwash_> got disconnected
[09:31] <Gotolei> wonder what changed from trusty to utopic to break it again
[09:32] <Gotolei> hm does upower ring any bells
[09:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> I never messed with it. It's the first I've heard of it.
[09:33] <Gotolei> mm
[09:33] <Gotolei> comments in linked bug mention it
[09:34] <brainwash> there were no changes in upower in 14.10
[09:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> With that said, they're having issues with a blank screen on resume.I haven't had that in a while.
[09:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just can't get the behavior to jive.
[09:34] <Gotolei> i get that semi-randomly
[09:35] <Gotolei> i think it has to do with the interval between ctrl+alt+l and the lid being closed or something
[09:35] <Gotolei> because that's totally something and end user should have to worry about
[09:35] <Gotolei> :p
[09:35] <brainwash> bug 1374830
[09:36] <Gotolei> this keyboard doesn't have a suspend key
[09:37] <Gotolei> ctrl+alt+L is supposed to just lock the screen
[09:38] <brainwash> yes, there is some sort of timing issue
[09:38] <brainwash> which is bad in the first place, it should work whatever the user does
[09:39] <brainwash> the suspend key triggers obviously the suspend sequence which triggers the lock screen
[09:40] <brainwash> which is similar to pressing ctrl+alt+l and then closing the lid "too early"
[09:40] <Gotolei> ctrl+alt+l isn't for the express purpose of triggering suspend, though
[09:41] <Gotolei> but yeah probably some similarities at least
[09:42] <brainwash> we got quite few reports, tons of bug comments.. but no one was able to debug this problem completely yet
[09:42] <Gotolei> hm
[09:42] <brainwash> because it's a tricky one
[09:43] <Gotolei> tbh at the moment i'm more concerned about the undesired behavior that occurs every single time than the undesired behavior that's easily bypassed
[09:44] <brainwash> you mean the glitched wallpaper?
[09:44] <brainwash> or ignored power settings?
[09:44] <Gotolei> both
[09:44] <Gotolei> also the power manager applet is a bit clumsy now but that's a minor thing
[09:44] <brainwash> make sure that you file a bug report for the first one :)
[09:45] <brainwash> the classic power manager tray icon has been replaced by a new panel plugin in 14.10
[09:45] <brainwash> sadly, you cannot fall back to the old tray icon
[09:45] <Gotolei> https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=9282 yeah
[09:46] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11054
[09:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, interesting title/
[09:48] <brainwash> again, I recommend that you file a bug report, so the devs are informed about the breakage in the new panel plugin
[09:48] <brainwash> filed on the Xfce bug tracker ^
[09:50] <Gotolei> specifically xfce bug tracker?
[09:50] <Gotolei> the command from before took me to launchpad
[09:51] <Gotolei> i'm thinking of reverting to 14.04 anyways because upgrading to 14.10 just made things worse
[09:51] <brainwash> yes, lightdm-gtk-greeter bugs are filed there, the project is hosted on launchpad
[09:52] <brainwash> you can file Xfce bugs on launchpad too, but it's always better to forward them directly to the Xfce bug tracker
[09:52] <Gotolei> this is the first i've heard of an xfce bug tracker
[09:52] <Gotolei> never done this before
[09:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[09:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> where did you think xfce came from? wasn't an ubuntu invention. :)
[09:53] <Gotolei> let's just say that 99% of the time i try to get support from anywhere, nothing happens
[09:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's the only drawback with a coalition of projects. Support can be fragmented and weak.
[09:54] <Gotolei> and yeah good riddance it's not from canonical
[09:54] <Gotolei> better off because of that
[09:54] <brainwash> going back to 14.04 could be the right choice, 14.10 is only supported for 9 months, then you will have to upgrade to 15.04 (9 months of support also)
[09:55] <Gotolei> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=173622 about sums up my experiences with various support sites
[09:55] <cfhowlett> My machine eats LTS only since 10.04.  No regrets, way fewer problems.
[09:56] <Gotolei> aright, i think i have 14.04 flash drive still floating around somewhere
[09:59] <Gotolei> 14.04.1 is still most recent, right? no new point releases
[09:59] <Gotolei> most recent of trusty specifically
[09:59] <brainwash> that's right
[10:00] <cfhowlett> !LTS
[10:00] <Gotolei> mmk, i've already got it then
[10:01] <Gotolei> welp guess i'll go do that
[10:01] <Gotolei> thanks for the help anyways, all \o
[10:01] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[10:02] <Gotolei> can't say it's been fun, but at least it hasn't made me want to rip my hair out like the linux mint channel did :p
[11:21] <athlon> hello.
[11:22] <athlon> is there anyone here using voyager?
[11:22] <athlon> perhaps the voyager 14.04.03?
[11:23] <bekks> Whats voyager?
[11:23] <cfhowlett> athlon, rephrase.  what do you REALLY need to know?  or are you counting voyager users?
[11:23] <athlon> voyager linux
[11:23] <athlon> no, I have problem with it not loading at all
[11:23] <bekks> I'd ask the voyager linux community instead.
[11:23] <cfhowlett> athlon, as this channel is for XUBUNTU ... I'm going to guess "no"
[11:24] <athlon> ok.
[11:46] <athlon> so I'd take it "ubuntu" and "ubuntu-french" are different?
[11:46] <cfhowlett> athlon, oui.
[11:47] <cfhowlett> !fr
[11:47] <athlon> thanks, ubottu.
[11:48] <athlon> I don't understand French at all but thanks.
[11:50] <athlon> since I only understand and write in English, would it be okay to use English in that #ubuntu-fr channel?
[11:59] <bazhang> for voyager support?
[12:00] <cfhowlett> athlon, you're going to ask for support in ENGLISH on a FRENCH language site ... ?
[12:00] <bazhang> !alis | athlon search here for voyager irc
[12:01] <Alexfrench> there is xchat on ubuntu or xubuntu working
[12:02] <bazhang> try hexchat
[12:02] <athlon> yeah, for voyager support.
[12:02] <bazhang> !info hexchat | Alexfrench
[12:03] <bazhang> athlon, none of the ubuntu/xubuntu channels are for voyager support
[12:03] <cfhowlett> Alexfrench, +1 for hexchat
[12:03] <Alexfrench> i don't know it, thanks
[12:03] <bazhang> athlon, /msg alis list *voyager*
[12:04] <cfhowlett> !flavors | Alexfrench these are the ONLY official Ubuntu versions.  If it's not on this list, it's on Ubuntu and it's not supported here.
[12:04] <bazhang> athlon ^
[12:05] <athlon> cfhowlett: that doesn't allowed?
[12:06] <cfhowlett> athlon, note: no voyager linux = NOT ubuntu = NOT supported here.
[12:06] <bazhang> athlon, no voyager support nope
[12:06] <Alexfrench> ok
[12:06] <bazhang> athlon, I just told you how to search using alis
[12:16] <athlon> cfhowlett: I know, I was referring to your question " you're going to ask for support in ENGLISH on a FRENCH language site ... ?"
[12:17] <bazhang> athlon, its for french Ubuntu support, not english, not voyager
[12:19] <athlon> I guess I mistaken "http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/" for ubuntu-fr
[12:22] <cfhowlett> athlon, if you want support, install xubuntu.  otherwise search the voyager site for support options.  no voyager support in ubuntu irc/forums/mail lists.
[12:24] <athlon> well, sorry for the trouble then.
[12:33] <athlon> why would then "voyagerlive" site listed the "http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/" there?
[12:34] <cfhowlett> athlon, you'd have to ask them.
[12:34] <Unit193> Indeed, but as it's somewhat French based, likely just tried to piggy back off the Ubuntu French community.
[12:35] <cfhowlett> unfortunate.  a distro that can't/won't support their own distro is a distro I wouldn't even touch
[12:42] <Alexfrench> athlon are you french ??
[12:49] <athlon> no. i'm from Asia.
[12:50] <cfhowlett> athlon, "Asia" meaning exactly ... ???
[12:53] <athlon> that wouldn't help too.
[12:54] <cfhowlett> athlon what language do you speak at home?
[12:55] <athlon> what would that question for?
[12:56] <cfhowlett> athlon, nvm.  done here.
[13:28] <PeterRJG> anyone here that can help me with something?
[13:28] <cfhowlett> !ask | PeterRJG
[13:29] <PeterRJG> alrighty, I have a failed download in apt-get that pop up every time I use it for something else. How do I clear it?
[13:29] <cfhowlett> PeterRJG, paste the exact message please.  paste.ubuntu.com
[13:35] <PeterRJG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9502305/
[13:38] <Alexfrench> maybe i am wrong but you miss java stuff like jre ???
[13:39] <Alexfrench> so every time one call is done for things in java, bam error message
[13:39] <PeterRJG> I downloaded the icedtea 7 and it works. Everything in java works, but every time I use apt-get or synaptic, I get this message and I want to get rid of it
[13:41] <Alexfrench> ah sorry
[18:21] <halpme> me again
[18:21] <drc> Welcome back...what is it this time :)
[18:22] <drc> please notice the smilie face and don't take it the wrong way.
[18:22] <halpme> so at college I get 3 working wifi networks, at home, 20 cm away from the router, I get nothing. Is there something like a memory effect (in this case it would mean my machine recognizes 3 networks just ecause sometime in the past I used them, but in reality my chipset is no longer recognized by the actual version of xubuntu?
[18:23] <halpme> what do I have to write in a search engine to buy a compatible wifi app?
[18:23] <halpme> i dont know how those things aare called
[18:23] <halpme> usb wifi card?
[18:24] <halpme> smartcard wifi card?
[18:24] <drc> I don't think an "app"is the solution (if they even exist)
[18:24] <drc> maybe a usb wifi card is a solution.
[18:25] <drc> Forgive if this was covered yesterday, are you sure the home wifi router is really working?
[18:25] <holstein> halpme: may i suggest, since you literally *just* discovered that this issue is *drastically* different that what you thought it was, maybe just relax, and spend some time with it
[18:26] <holstein> otherwise, test my working with the access point
[18:26]  * drc (meaning the geek daughter) just replace our old router because it was not funtioning properly anymore.
[18:26] <halpme> home router works via ethernet cable. I was 20 cm away from the router, the wireless app with big letters "networks activated" but not a single wifi network listed
[18:26] <holstein> *if* you can connect to other access points, then, you *know* its not a problem with the wifi device in the machine.. but, either a compatility issue, or something where the ssid is hidden, or something with configuration, et
[18:26] <holstein> etc*
[18:26] <drc> halpme: The same here, it was just the wifi part that was going.
[18:27] <halpme> holstein:  test my working with the access point << donot udnerstand
[18:28] <holstein> halpme: test *by* working with the access point, since thats the issue
[18:29] <holstein> halpme: does *anything* connect to your wifi access point? of so? what are the settings? have you tried disabling encryption? do you have the ssid hidden? or wps push to connect? or MAC address filtering, or *any* other automatically configured setup that can be causing you to not be able to connect?
[18:30] <holstein> do you have another wifi router handy to plug in and test? i'll just power one on, without hooking it up, that doesnt have any encryption on it.. i'll see that the unit connects to that, and move on from there
[18:31] <holstein> i have seen issues where, one machine requires something the others dont.. wpa vs wpa2..
[18:32] <drc> holstein: Wouldn't <all> available access points within the geographic area show up even if one can't connect to them (I an see all sort of neighboring access points on my machine, even though I can't connect to them)?
[18:32] <holstein> drc: not sure what the case is here..
[18:32] <drc> It sounds like <nothing> is showing up atwhen he's at home.
[18:33] <holstein> drc: i read this as, at school, wifi access points are showing, and at home, not.. i dont see any other details about if anything can ever connect at home, or if the router is configured, etc
[18:34] <drc> True, but here at least, when the daughter plugged the new, out of the box, router in it showed up in the listings.
[18:35] <drc> a misconfigured router might not but it's hard to see why it wouldn't al least show up in the listings.
[18:35] <holstein> yup.. but, we dont know anything about that home access point.. could be hidden ssid, or whatever that "push to connect" is/does that i always manually disable
[18:36] <drc> True, I was just about to say that it looks like its been narrowed down to the router itself :)
[18:36] <halpme> im toot ired now, ill try what you suggest in 30 minutes
[18:36] <drc> The laptop appears to function properly (see school)
[18:41] <drc> halpme:  My next step would be to have a friend (with a known good computer re: wifi) come over. If s/he can't connect, that pretty much defines the problem as in the router.  Where you go from there, no help from here (I turned all that stuff over to the geek daughter years ago and have forgotten most of what I knew, which is probable out of date also)
[19:01] <halpme> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWzRd2vtnIs suggests I need propietary drivers
[19:20] <halpme> if I edit my environmetal variables file, do I habe to reboot for it to take efect?
[19:21] <halpme> got access to internet after editing said file, but its a pain!!!!!!
[19:22] <drc> halpme: Do you have to re-edit it everytime you re-boot?
[19:22] <halpme> no, I saved the changes, but still, not how I want to connect...
[19:23] <drc> and it could be you need p-drivers, I never have (works out of the box for me), but I've seen some folks say they do.
[19:23] <halpme> what is a p driver?
[19:23] <drc> "propietary drivers"...I was lazy
[19:24] <drc> But, iirc, needing a driver is usually a thing for the NIC, not the router.
[19:25] <halpme> additional drivers lists x.org and 4 nvidia drivers, 2 legacy binaries and 2 binaries
[19:25] <halpme> none of the nvidia drivers are for the wifi, right?
[19:25] <drc> nope, video
[19:26] <halpme> apparently college doesnt like the tor network
[19:26] <drc> x.org is usually for the display, mouse, etc.
[19:26] <halpme> a good reason to get your own provider
[19:26] <drc> a lott of them don't...you might be doing something terrile :)
[19:43] <holstein> halpme: again, i say, relax, and take your time.. nothing about proprietary graphics drivers help with your wifi
[19:43] <holstein> and, if that is an older machine, you are likely not going to be doing any gaming on it, anyways
[19:43] <halpme> holstein: i need a month off
[19:43] <holstein> not that thats the only reason to get proprietary drivers, but, thats the main reason.. if you are not having any issues with the graphics
[19:43] <holstein> halpme: sure.. *or* buy with linux support in mind
[19:43] <halpme> holstein: is 5 years "old"
[19:44] <holstein> halpme: you have to ask who creats the game you are trying to run.. typically, for computer gaming, yes, 5 years *is* old
[19:44] <halpme> i dont need gaming
[19:44] <holstein> i use machines older than that for audio production work.. but, i dont expect 3d from it
[19:44] <holstein> halpme: then, do you *need* the proprietary graphics driver?
[19:45] <halpme> are you talkking about x now?
[19:45] <drc> The only reason I use the nvidia driver on my laptop is it runs about 10C cooler with the driver than without...have no need for 2D playing Zork :)
[19:46] <drc> s/2D/3D/
[19:46] <holstein> halpme: im talking about you stating a youtube video suggests you need a proprietary graphics driver.. do *you* need a proprietary graphics driver?
[19:47] <halpme> i think not, the nvidia driver under 14.04 created a lot of prblems of broken packages
[19:48] <holstein> halpme: doenst here
[19:48]  * drc thinks that was becasue of the install, I've have never had any problems install nvidia driver, either thu the binary for nvidia or the repos.
[19:48] <holstein> halpme: *no* packages are broken for me in 14.04 with any proprietary drivers. though, i try and avoid them, when possible, when i dont need/want 3d, and you can as well
[19:50] <halpme> non issue as long as im in college, i cannot download anything here, just use firefox
[19:51] <halpme> even if I use my laptop
[19:53] <halpme> 16mbits/s for one person, is that enough?
[19:53] <halpme> say im gonna torrent 50GBof data
[19:55] <drc> halpme: The bottleneck in Torrents is usually not the pipe, but what each node contributing to the torrent gives.  Normally I'm happy if the torrent DL runs !2M/S, far slower than my pipe.
[19:56] <halpme> drc: even so, I get higher speeds if the advertised mbits/s of my provider are 50 instead of 16...
[19:56] <halpme> am I wrong?
[19:56] <drc> halpme: Your totall pipe is faster, boesn't mean any particular DL/torrent is faster.
[19:57] <drc> The really big question for me (re: pipes) is Are you streaming?, if so the bigest pipe is best.
[19:57] <halpme> 16 Mbits/s costs 15, 50 MBits/s costs 20...
[19:57] <drc> go for 50 :)
[19:58] <halpme> all I do is watching videos, movies and listen to the radio
[19:58] <drc> the cost diff is minimal (unless you're a poor college student :)
[19:58] <halpme> i AM a poor college student
[19:58] <drc> I know, I saw the uni-mainz :)
[19:58] <halpme> privacy ftw!!!
[19:59] <perfarator> 256kbps ADSL for 25$! Unlimited plan! Only in my country!
[20:00] <drc> halpme:  It sometimes pays to know a bit about a person when trying to help.  For example, the .de in the address says you are from germany, that way I know thet English is probably not your mother tongue and one can make adjustments accordingly.
[20:01] <halpme> can you paste a link with instructions regarding editing splash screens?
[20:01] <drc> And if you are worried about privacy on freenode, you can always register and ask for a "cloak".  Right click on your nick and mine and see the difference in the USER: data.
[20:01] <holstein> halpme: what splash screen? and why?
[20:02] <halpme> holstein: not to see a blank screen every time I turn on the machine
[20:02] <holstein> halpme: thats the machine.. so, you ask the creator of the hardware for that info.. though, i can save you the trouble..
[20:03] <holstein> otherwise, you can look at messing about with grub..
[20:03] <holstein> !grub
[20:16] <halpme> what linux compatible webcams should I star looking for?
[20:26] <drc> halpme: You might be better off to ask this in a webcam channel (if there is one) or on #ubuntu (bigger user base and if it works on ubuntu, it'll probably work on Xubuntu)
[20:27] <halpme> ok dr
[20:27] <halpme> drc:
[20:42] <holstein> halpme: what do i do? as i said before, i shop looking for *specific* linux support stated from the manufacturer.. if not that, then, i go and plug the thing into my laptop, or i buy, and make certain i can return it
[20:43] <holstein> linux/ubuntu/xubuntu does nothing to prevent *any* webcam from working
[20:45] <drc> holstein's correct (again, as always :)...If it says it supports "linux", *buntu support is almost a given.
[20:46] <holstein> drc: i actually have found a few USB cams that didnt work, as well.. :/
[20:46] <drc> but some support is more equal than other.
[20:46]  * drc hedged his bet..."almost" :)
[20:53]  * drc had to look at the back of his laptop to see if it indeed had a serial and parallel port.
[20:54] <drc> nope
[21:11] <xubuntu08w> quien habla español?
[21:11] <krytarik> !es | xubuntu08w
[21:54] <Lucky___> anyone here :) ?
[21:55] <drc> Nope, we've closed up shop and went to the pub.
[21:56] <drc> This is a recording.
[22:05] <Lucky___> anyone?
[22:05] <krytarik> Lucky___: Just ask.
[22:07] <Lucky___> Ok, I have a problem with Xubuntu/Lubuntu. My screen just freezes when I launch the "Try Xubuntu" or when I click on "Install Xubuntu". here's a picture : http://imgur.com/kLUG3XR
[22:07] <Lucky___> I need help !
[22:09] <krytarik> !nomodeset | Lucky___
[22:09] <Lucky___> thanks :D