[00:48] <Sachiru> Query: Does anyone know of a way to convert an existing 14.04 Lubuntu/Ubuntu installation so that it resides on an LVM volume instead of directly on the disk?
[01:09] <holstein> Sachiru: i would want a clone backup, regardless.. so, i would make that clone, from which i can easily restore to any location, and go from there
[01:09] <Sachiru> So... Best solution would still be to DD?
[01:09] <Sachiru> The disk?
[01:11] <holstein> Sachiru: well, what im saying is, even  if i saw a "easily convert to lvm" tool, i would want a backup.. i would want a backup since *all* drives fail.. that backup, in this case, can be a clone.. i would use clonezilla, personally.. though, that tool is using dd and other tools on the backend..
[01:47] <JBudz> terrorist situation in sydney
[01:48] <JBudz> not that its ubuntu related or anything..
[01:48] <holstein> !ot
[01:48] <holstein> there is also #lubuntu-offtopic for discussion
[02:50] <sgo11> hi, I want to disable hplip-systray.desktop which is in /etc/xdg/autostart. What I do is to create ~/.config/autostart/hplip-systray.desktop and then add 'Hidden=true' to the end of the file. but it doesn't work. any ideas? thanks.
[02:51] <holstein> Sachiru: i would just remove it from the startup
[02:52] <sgo11> holstein, talked to me ?
[02:53] <holstein> Sachiru: sorry..
[02:53] <holstein> sgo11: yup ^
[02:53] <sgo11> holstein, but everytime, the package gets updated, that file will be recreated. people suggest override it in ~/.config/autostart/
[02:54] <holstein> how often is it updated?
[02:55] <sgo11> holstein, not often, but just want to find a perfect solution. why not "hidden=true" work?
[02:55] <holstein> sgo11: i have no idea..
[02:55] <holstein> !bug
[02:55] <sgo11> holstein, ok. cool. :)
[02:55] <holstein> if you feel it is.. but, i wouldnt disable the startup, i wuold just remove it from startup
[02:55] <sgo11> holstein, ok. cheers.
[02:55] <holstein> sgo11: you can ask in #ubuntu since its not related to lubuntu or lxde
[02:56] <holstein> sgo11: good luck.. i know little fiddly things like that can be frustrating
[02:56] <sgo11> holstein, I asked there, nobody replied. I think it's related to lxde. because it's lxde starts that app.
[02:56] <holstein> sgo11: its not
[02:56] <holstein> sgo11: though, you can also try the lubuntu and lxde email lists
[02:57] <sgo11> holstein, why is not lxde? who starts the app then? if .desktop contains for example OnlyShowIn=LXQt;, lxde will not start that app.
[02:58] <holstein> sgo11: ok.. so it is then
[02:58] <sgo11> holstein, ok. :)
[02:58] <holstein> sgo11: you still wont likely get *any* assistance from this channel, regardless
[02:59] <holstein> sgo11: agree or disagree, you would do better with whomever makes that package
[02:59] <sgo11> holstein, ok.
[02:59] <holstein> sgo11: my only point is, that is not lubuntu.. its just pulled in, and doesnt ship with lubuntu.. and its a small team here
[02:59] <holstein> lxde, upstream, *might* be more informative
[02:59] <sgo11> holstein, i may try to ask there. thanks.
[03:00] <holstein> sgo11: good luck.. and also, the bug report is a nice first step
[03:00] <holstein> sgo11: id be glad to personally try and reproduce the issue
[03:01] <sgo11> holstein, I opened many bugs before. none of them are fixed until now. I don't bother open any bugs.
[03:04] <holstein> sgo11: im sure you can understand why they are not..
[03:06] <sgo11> holstein, why?
[03:06] <sgo11> to me, they are all show stopper bugs.
[03:07] <sgo11> and ubuntu surprisingly release it with LTS version.
[03:07] <holstein> sgo11: like this issue.. its HP's package, repackaged in the ubuntu repos.. and, the issue is in lxde, only used by lubuntu which has a small team,a nd that package doesnt ship with it..
[03:07] <holstein> sgo11: you stated its not an issue in unity..
[03:07] <sgo11> this bug is not very important. but others that I opened are not.
[03:08] <sgo11> there were intel driver bugs etc... anyway.
[03:08] <holstein> sure.. and intel is *always* welcome to address them
[03:08] <holstein> i mean, theres nothing lubuntu/ubuntu or linux is doing that prevents that
[03:08] <sgo11> ^_^ ok.
[03:08] <holstein> its challenging to try and support such a broad spectrum of hardware
[03:09] <holstein> the other main OS's dont support hardware like that
[03:09] <sgo11> ok.
[03:09] <holstein> just imagine the "bugs" you would have if you grabbed an osx installation disc (if they still made them).. you'd be lucky if the OS booted in any way
[03:09] <holstein> and we wouldnt refer to that as a bug, or an issue with apple
[03:10] <holstein> its just a matter of the hardware being compatible.. and, nothing about linux prevents any hardware creators from supporting it
[03:11] <sgo11> ok. but I still get problems in ubuntu. anyway. I know what you mean. but as a user, I don't really care about the detail. I just want to have a working OS. whatever.
[03:12] <holstein> sure. and if you were to purchase a machine from someone like system76 who *promise* and guarantee linux will work on the machine, all it will do is work, or, they make it work
[03:12] <holstein> here, you have what you have, and you *were* promised something, but, not linux support.. and lubuntu is a small team that takes the ubuntu repos, and releases a custom OS that is light..
[03:12] <sgo11> i don't know system76. if there is a linux OS which promises bug free, I will definitely buy it.
[03:13] <holstein> sgo11: no, friend.. that is linux *hardware* the promises linux support
[03:13] <holstein> no software is "bug-free".. the issue is, if you need support, getting it
[03:13] <sgo11> holstein, ok, got it. :)
[03:14] <holstein> to expect to take a machine that you were promised windows support for, for example.. a team of experts were hired to faciliate that windows support for that machine.. and its not "bug-free". but, its supported. if you have an issue, it can likely be addressed (though, not always)
[03:15] <holstein> to take that machine and expect linux to just work on it is really to miss where the burden is.. linux is completely open, and available for free to anyone to take and provide support for
[03:15] <holstein> that doesnt make it any "better".. just different.. easier to support in that way..
[03:16] <sgo11> holstein, ok, ok. understood. I just don't bother open a bug for this. unlikely, some people will take care of it from my experience. anyway. I understood what you mean. thanks. :)
[03:16] <holstein> sgo11: sure. and let me know if you change your mind,and need me to confirm its happening here, which is one reason why bugs dont get attention
[03:17] <holstein> if you dont get them marked as "confirmed" where, the issue happens the same for someone else..
[03:17] <sgo11> holstein, ok. thanks.
[06:08] <remymartin9> I really really like lubuntu
[06:25] <hateball> :)
[14:45] <ej> sry
[14:45] <ej> anybody use a vpn on there home network?
[14:46] <teward> ej: I do, but it's through my firewall appliance
[14:46] <teward> heh he left right after i said something lol
[14:46] <teward> ej: welcome back :)
[14:46] <ej> your firewill appliance?
[14:47] <ej> bare with me im fresh at this.
[14:47] <teward> ej: i have a very expensive firewall device on my network - a pfSense firewall appliance at the border of my network, providing PPTP, L2TP, and IPSec VPN access for me.  But that's atypical, I run my home network like an enterprise-grade buisness network
[14:48] <ej> ohh i c.
[14:48] <teward> ej: i have a question for you, you asked if anyone uses a VPN on their home network - do you have a specific question about that?
[14:48] <teward> (because if I can answer it I will try to.)
[14:48] <ej> well.. im just trying to setup spme security for home
[14:49] <ej> i dont conect to work or other
[14:49] <teward> ej: ahhhh, I see.  unless you're off-site from your home and want to (securely) connect to your home network and access your things there, you likely won't need a VPN
[14:49] <ej> ok... cool..
[14:49] <ej> what do you recomend for firewall
[14:49] <teward> me, I need it because of work and classes - I do a lot of work from home and sometimes need to access that work off-site.  (Or in other cases, mask that i'm working in one location, and make my traffic look like it originates from my home)
[14:50] <ej> ahh.. ok i totally understand what a vpn is for.
[14:50] <teward> ej: on the computer endpoints themselves (i.e. the desktops, laptops, etc.), ufw with general inbound deny rules (except for the services and ports you need to access on that system from other systems)
[14:51] <teward> ej: but note you're in an #lubuntu channel - if you have lubuntu specific questions feel free to ask, otherwise i would be happy to discuss general topics elsewhere
[14:51] <ej> ohh..
[14:51] <teward> but I have to be present at an IRC meeting in 10 minutes so I might start going unresponsive eventually
[14:51] <ej> any help would be great.
[14:52] <ej> at your convience...
[14:53] <ej> what did u want me to do.
[16:15] <redpanda> hello. i am trying to run lubuntu-desktop on Xnest. when i run lxde i use DISPLAY=:1 lxsession. but there is no lubuntu-session. which is the launcher?
[16:18] <testdr> redpanda: in LUbuntu the desktops start is this:   /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[16:20] <redpanda> thanks. i am on a mint whit lubuntu as alternative DE. let me try that
[16:21] <holstein> !mint
[16:21] <holstein> redpanda: they could be changing the session..
[16:22] <redpanda> OH. there that was... i ask in mint help, ubuntu... that was so easy. thanks ou so mauch
[16:23] <redpanda> thank you so much*
[16:23] <holstein> !bot
[16:34] <redpanda> bye
[22:11] <atfleg> hi having problems with a wifi card - can any give me a hand? After an upgrade I received a bios message stating go to wrieless.kernal.org/.../B43 and wifi won't work. went to page followed instructions and now no error message in bios but still no wifi
[22:12] <wxl> atfleg: `lspci | grep 14e4` give you anything? if so, what?
[22:12] <atfleg> nope
[22:13] <wxl> atfleg: what device id do you have?
[22:13] <atfleg> lspci -vnn -d 14e4: gives me 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:432b] (rev 01)
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Subsystem: Dell Wireless 1510 Wireless-N WLAN Mini-Card [1028:000d]
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Memory at f69fc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[22:13] <atfleg> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[22:13] <wxl> !paste | atfleg
[22:14] <wxl> so it should give you something since there's a 14e4 right there :)
[22:14] <wxl> anyways have you seen this?
[22:14] <wxl> !b43 | atfleg
[22:14] <atfleg> ops ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/9533536/
[22:15] <wxl> it's ok tl;dr atfleg :)
[22:15] <atfleg> wxl: yup
[22:15] <wxl> atfleg: and you followed THOSE instructions?
[22:16] <wxl> man someone messed with this page
[22:16] <wxl> annoying
[22:16] <atfleg> yeah, they were linked from the kernal.org. page
[22:16] <atfleg> and follwoed them
[22:16] <wxl> so basically you need to install firmware-b43-installer
[22:17] <wxl> if you have that you need to remove all drivers and then load the specific one you want (b43)
[22:17] <wxl> that should do it
[22:17] <wxl> or you can just reboot
[22:18] <atfleg> using "sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer"?
[22:18] <wxl> yeppers
[22:18] <wxl> i would not suggest the sta driver if you installed that
[22:18] <wxl> nor would i suggest the b43 legacy driver
[22:18] <wxl> ooops that one doesn't apply :)
[22:19] <atfleg> "firmware-b43-installer is already the newest version." how do I now remove all drivers and load b43?
[22:19] <wxl> the sta is the proprietary one. i'm not a fan of proprietary and in all the broadcom devices i've used i've never needed it
[22:19] <wxl> atfleg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Switching_between_drivers
[22:20] <atfleg> "modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found." should I worry about that??
[22:20] <wxl> no
[22:20] <wxl> it's good that you don't have ti :)
[22:21] <atfleg> great! getting there:)
[22:21] <wxl> for that second part you want to do `sudo modprobe b43`
[22:21] <wxl> do NOT do the other ones
[22:21] <wxl> so you should -r (remove) ALL drivers
[22:21] <wxl> and then just add the one
[22:21] <atfleg> got ya
[22:21] <atfleg> done it
[22:21] <atfleg> i'll try unplugging the cable and see what happens!
[22:21] <wxl> give it a minute or so and you should be good to go
[22:22] <wxl> the cable to the router? :)
[22:24] <atfleg> still no wireless connection :-(
[22:24] <wxl> atfleg: are you sure there's no hardware switch?
[22:25] <remymartin9> would Lubuntu notify when it needs an update?
[22:26] <atfleg> DOH :-[
[22:26] <wxl> remymartin9: i believe that by default notifications are set on. you can check it yourself. :)
[22:26] <remymartin9> thanks
[22:26] <wxl> atfleg: hey, it happens to the best of us :)
[22:26] <holstein> remymartin9: you can open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. "need" can be relative..
[22:26] <wxl> remymartin9: you know how to check?
[22:26] <remymartin9> yeah holstein  just said it
[22:26] <wxl> yeah well dist-upgrade suggests that it will potentially remove packages that are no longer needed
[22:26] <remymartin9> btw, i really like lubuntu, it's the best distro i've tried so far.
[22:26] <wxl> there's a difference between that and upgrade
[22:27] <wxl> *I* usually do dist-upgrade, but just saying
[22:27] <remymartin9> yeah i'm still studying the commands
[22:28] <wxl> brb ping pong calls
[22:29] <atfleg> thanks wxl have switched and still no wifi but will reboot and hopefully that'll solve it.
[22:34] <atfleg> hmmmm so still no wifi, hardware switch now switched on!  have I messed something up in terminal somehow?
[22:44] <atfleg> i've ran through it again, am now getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/9533743/ but still no wireless connection available
[22:45] <atfleg> am i missing something else daft?
[22:49] <atfleg> anyway I can check my hardware is working or if it's a driver issue? On BIOS I was getting a driver missing error, but not anymore
[22:57] <atfleg> this was the error i was getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/9533890/ anyone any ideas?
[23:36] <atfleg> help with wifi - output from wireless script here :    http://paste.ubuntu.com/9534231/
[23:36] <atfleg> still have no wife :-(
[23:40] <atfleg> opps! no wifi