[00:00] <webpigeon_web> PLAIN or  ECDSA-NIST256P-CHALLENGE
[00:03] <diddledan> the original author of blowfish says to use twofish in preference
[00:03] <diddledan> mind you that's from 2007
[00:03] <diddledan> there's also threefish
[00:06] <daftykins> webpigeon_web: yeah that latter one looks like hell for irssi though
[00:09] <diddledan> PLAIN ftw
[00:09] <diddledan> PLAIN over a non-ssl connection is unbeatable
[00:10] <webpigeon_web> erm.... okkaay
[00:21] <daftykins> lol
[00:33] <daftykins> diddledan: you'll confuse all the active and awake newbies...
[00:33] <diddledan> !danger
[00:34] <diddledan> :-p
[00:35] <ali1234> i think i need to make template classes to do what i want to do ...
[01:05] <ali1234> g++ errors when you use smart pointers are really unhelpful
[04:12] <mapp> hi all
[04:17] <daftykins> mornin'
[04:18]  * zmoylan-pi has heard critturs outside but doesn't think they were of the daytime variety
[04:19] <mapp> he
[04:19] <mapp> ]h
[04:19] <mapp> hi daftykins / zmoylan-pi  :)
[04:19] <mapp> watching new homeland ep..sundays are great for tv..brooklyn nine nine and homeland
[04:20] <daftykins> ;)
[04:20] <daftykins> i'm still debating dropping £75 on the bluray set of The Sopranos
[04:22] <zmoylan-pi> you could drop hints for christmas or add it to a wishlist site
[04:23] <mapp> sopranos was cool
[04:23] <mapp> u seen it before?
[04:28] <daftykins> yeah :)
[04:28] <daftykins> watched it as a kid on TV late night
[04:31] <mapp> ah
[04:31] <mapp> i rarely rewatch stuff heh
[04:32] <daftykins> for such a masterpiece, HD and good sound is a worthy one :)
[05:06] <mapp> homeland was good
[06:00] <mapp> sleep time for me:)
[06:00] <daftykins> g'night o/
[06:01] <daftykins> i best be off too
[06:01] <daftykins> where's my late night posse!?
[06:01] <mapp> zn[06:02] <mapp> zmoylan pinged out
[06:02] <mapp> :)
[06:02] <mapp> ah no hes here
[06:02] <mapp> must be asleep alreadt
[08:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:52] <foobarry> o/
[08:52] <DJones> foobarry: Did you end up enjoying death becomes her :)
[08:53] <foobarry> then she started watching 'what women wnat;
[08:53] <foobarry> and i ended up watching too :(
[08:53] <foobarry> and i ended up watching too :(ns
[08:53] <foobarry> then at bedtime i had to record the last 10 mi
[08:53] <foobarry> ugh baby typing too
[08:54] <DJones> Hah, my wife is driving me mad watching christmas movies and christmas concerts, I'm sure they all have the same plot, music and characters
[08:55] <foobarry> the worst are romcoms
[08:56] <foobarry> more formulaic than a maths exam
[08:58] <DJones> foobarry: Yup, they're the one she watches, either that or person A has a hard life & the movie is about how it changes, normally a kid with dodgy parents sent to live with grandparents/aunt/foster & turns into a nightmare child before coming good and reconciling with previous dodgy parents now made good
[08:58] <DJones> Oh, thats the plot of Annie
[09:07] <foobarry> girl likes guy, guy gets with wrong girl, girl decides to travel the worl instead/marry wrong man, man drives to airport/wedding at last minute to get with right girl. the end
[09:09] <DJones> foobarry: Bridget Jones
[09:10] <bashrc> a concise review
[09:10] <foobarry> also pride and prejudice, 50 last dates, 50 bridesmaids, 50 wrong dresses
[09:13] <foobarry> the wedding planner
[09:13] <foobarry> the wedding singer
[09:13] <foobarry> my laptop can only handle 5 chrome tabs before 1 of them dies
[09:14] <foobarry> need to move to the newer laptop soon
[09:14] <foobarry> no time to transfer data
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:52] <foobarry> my son woke me at 5.40am to tell me his fingernails were too long. (they weren't)
[09:52] <foobarry> needless to say i didn't sleep after
[09:54] <Laney> because you were wracked with worry about the length of the nails?
[09:59] <foobarry> :)
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Cat Herders Day! :-D
[10:02] <nigelb> So, project manager's day?
[10:06] <JamesTait> nigelb, or parents' day. ;)
[10:07] <JamesTait> Or crazy cat people's day!
[10:07]  * JamesTait qualifies regardless.
[10:07] <nigelb> :)
[10:09] <NET||abuse> I went completely mad over the weekend and ordered a odroid-c1 from lilliputdirect.com
[10:09] <NET||abuse> diplo: so you wanted me to let you know if I got one.. well, expecting it to arrive this week.
[10:10] <diplo> Ah top man, how much did you pay ? if you don't mind me asking. And let me know your thoughts once you have it in hand
[10:10] <NET||abuse> £35
[10:11] <NET||abuse> bit more than the $34 it's supposed to be, but you just can't get them anywhere else
[10:12] <diplo> That inclusive of carriage ?
[10:12] <NET||abuse> yep
[10:12] <NET||abuse> i think it was
[10:12] <NET||abuse> hmm, must check teh receipt
[10:13] <NET||abuse> nope, appologies $40 inclusive of postage
[10:14] <NET||abuse> £40  wrong currency key
[10:15] <Laney> mister EPC is here with his clipboard
[10:15] <Laney> want to get me some of https://energy-saving-home-improvement-fund.service.gov.uk/
[10:16] <foobarry> my rasta electrician is here
[10:18] <davmor2> JamesTait: Community, community, community is the cat herders battle cry right?
[10:20] <JamesTait> davmor2, something like that, I think. :)
[10:25] <diplo> Thanks NET||abuse, may make an order after Xmas
[10:25] <NET||abuse> yeh, just hoping they manage to ship mine by christmas
[10:25] <NET||abuse> we'll see
[10:43] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:46] <popey> \o/ holiday
[10:46] <popey> no more work till 2015
[10:46] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:46] <bigcalm> And yet you're on IRC
[10:47] <popey> sending my "I'm off on holiday" mail ☻
[10:47] <popey> and doing /nick popey|vacation , on work irc ☻
[10:47] <bigcalm> :P
[10:47] <foobarry> and reporting bugs..
[10:48] <davmor2> popey: I don't believe you :P
[10:50] <davmor2> popey: I think you'll be sat there tinkering on an Ubuntu Laptop and with an Ubuntu phone for the whole holiday filing bugs against all the core apps and adding patches cause you're not in meetings all day :P
[10:51] <davmor2> popey: When you making a minecraft app for the phone anyway?
[10:52] <popey> haha, maybe
[10:52] <popey> but today I'm going afk with my daughter... ttfn
[10:54] <foobarry> anyone had experience of selling on gumtree?
[11:22] <Seeker`_> popey: damn you :P
[11:24] <MooDoo> hello all
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning me owld mucka
[11:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: ayup :D
[12:32] <diddledan> morning
[12:34] <davmor2> man this channel goes quiet without a popey to pick on ;)
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> a fake popey account...
[12:35] <davmor2> haha
[12:37] <MooDoo> it's christmas, everyone is working hard to get rid of their workload so they can party on!
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> end of the year jobs that get piled on don't help
[12:40] <BigRedS> well, the other people you work with who are also trying to get shot of stuff before Christmas
[12:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: no I don't believe that for one second, we just don't stop being busy :)
[12:43] <diddledan> oh dear. sydney has a terrorist thing going on
[12:46] <MooDoo> diddledan: they have for a while now....
[12:46] <diddledan> MooDoo, yeah, I just woke up :-p
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> over 12 hours now
[12:50] <MooDoo> diddledan: you on lates or something?
[12:51] <diddledan> MooDoo, nah, just weird sleep pattern :-p
[13:04] <MooDoo> ouch
[13:31] <plopey> Not sure I can emulate popey
[13:31] <zmoylan-pi> just use his tweets for 2-3 weeks back as comments :-)
[13:32] <shauno> surely it can't be too difficult to get an elvis impersonator in here?
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> uh huh huh
[13:32] <plopey> I've connected a #RaspberryPi to a container delivery truck. Cool.
[13:35] <shauno> I think they've got you beat; sending 2 to the ISS; http://www.raspberrypi.org/astro-pi/
[13:36]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if anyone ever did connect a zx80 to a nuclear power station... :-)
[14:20] <davmor2> plopey: so now that Linux Outlaws is no more what happens to oggcamp the world needs to know
[14:20] <plopey> #BlackFriday chaos in Britain as Tesco runs out of good sandwiches by 13:02
[14:21] <marxjohnson> Oggcamp's existance isn't linked to the continuation of a podcast, only to the willingness of people to organise it
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> not over yet, isn't last show recorded tonight?
[14:22] <marxjohnson> and if you're one of those people, pitch in! http://saloon.sixgun.org/c/oggcamp
[14:24] <davmor2> marxjohnson: it was meant as a joke for plopey the fake popey to give him something funny to say ;)  If I thought for one second that the camp depended on a podcast rather than people I would of been really depressed :)
[14:25] <marxjohnson> This a the problem with having oggcamp highlights sent to my phone - lack of context :)
[14:25] <davmor2> marxjohnson: hahaha
[14:28] <davmor2> marxjohnson: I think the big advantage of the podcast is that it spreads the news to a bigger audience that would be hit by an email once in a while
[14:29] <marxjohnson> davmor2: True, fortunatley we've got lots of podcasters in the OggCamp community to help us spread the word
[14:49] <foobarry> agh forgot to renew my library book :(
[14:50] <zmoylan-pi> how much are libray fines these days?
[14:51] <foobarry> 8p per day per book
[14:51] <foobarry> only 3 week loan rather than 4 week in the old days
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> extortion!
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> :-)
[14:52] <diddledan> I think it should be extrusion, rather than extortion - extrusion sounds more funner
[14:52] <zmoylan-pi> did they 3d print the book?
[14:53]  * diddledan hides from shauno 
[14:54] <diddledan> grr.. chillywilly
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> the ice pop
[14:56] <bigcalm> Is there a way I could put a button on my desktop (or launcher) that would switch audio output between 2 devices? Needed as it would be quicker/simpler than going though various things so that I can take a skype call through my headset when I've just been listening to music on my soundbar
[14:59] <ej> hello.
[14:59] <ej> i have question.
[15:09]  * bigcalm waits for the question
[15:10] <diddledan> bigcalm, he gone
[15:10] <diddledan> [15:01:56] * ej has quit (Quit: Leaving)
[15:10] <bigcalm> diddledan: yes, hence my waiting
[15:10] <diddledan> oic. irony
[15:11] <shauno> diddledan: woosh.
[15:11]  * popey returns
[15:13] <diddledan> indiegogo has introduced begging as a service
[15:13] <diddledan> https://life.indiegogo.com/
[15:14] <bashrc> nice
[15:14] <bashrc> BaaS
[15:16]  * plopey runs for the hills
[15:18] <shauno> subtle as a sledgehammer
[15:27] <davmor2> popey: hey dude good day?
[15:27] <popey> very
[15:27] <bigcalm> Kids on holiday already?
[15:27]  * popey registers plopey.com
[15:27] <popey> yeah, broke up on thursday
[15:28]  * bigcalm waits for xmas eve to get here for holiday to happen
[15:28] <diddledan> now is plopey pronounced like plop or pope?
[15:28] <davmor2> popey: is phopey or popey-phoney gone aswel?
[15:29] <davmor2> diddledan: he was pretending to be popey so pl-opey
[15:29] <popey> You guys.
[15:29] <davmor2> popey: we missed you channel was quiet :)
[15:30]  * diddledan turns popey's first P 180 degrees
[15:31] <popey> was looking at car stereos today
[15:31] <popey> need to get one for wifey for xmas
[15:31]  * awilkins turns the d's in diddledan 180 degrees
[15:31] <diddledan> lol
[15:31] <awilkins> Well, the first one and the last one
[15:31] <popey> but her car has one of these huge bays, so bought a thing that goes in the slot to make it a normal size slot
[15:32] <popey> now need to figure out what stereo to get
[15:32] <popey> one that does bluetooth & usb would be good
[15:32] <popey> they all seem to do that
[15:32] <popey> but most look like a gaudy mess
[15:32] <diddledan> must. resist. comment. about. size. of. slot.
[15:32] <popey> yeah yeah
[15:33] <davmor2> popey: take a trip to Halfords don't buy it from there but it will give you a good idea of how it plays and features
[15:33] <diddledan> usb would be nifty. unless she has an ipwn
[15:33] <popey> yeah, thats where i was
[15:33] <popey> they're all much the same
[15:33] <popey> also would be useful if it could integrate with the steering wheel controls
[15:33] <popey> bet they don't
[15:33] <davmor2> popey: did you expect them to be vastly different?
[15:34] <popey> i expected them not to all look identical
[15:34] <davmor2> popey: buy one from the manufacturer
[15:34] <popey> manufacturer of?
[15:35] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/T1-Audio-T1-24VX02-PACK-Vauxhall/dp/B004S6Q5LK
[15:35] <popey> hmmm
[15:35] <popey> could be an option
[15:35] <davmor2> popey: the car
[15:35] <popey> nah, not giving them any of my money
[15:35] <diddledan> they all have the boy racer's boom box styling
[15:35] <popey> never buying a vauxhall ever again
[15:35] <popey> yeah, they do
[15:35] <popey> and tiny buttons
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[15:36] <DJones> popey: I think a lot of aftermarket car radio/cd's just need an adapter to use the steering wheel controls
[15:36] <popey> might pop to a proper car stereo shop
[15:36] <popey> like Paula Marks if it still exists
[15:37] <DJones> popey: http://cartech.about.com/od/Car-Audio/a/Steering-Wheel-Audio-Control-Adapters.htm
[15:37] <foobarry> why do kids love frozen ? there are far better films
[15:38] <popey> yeah, my kids love it too
[15:38] <diddledan> foobarry, because let it go
[15:38] <popey> sam knows all the songs
[15:38] <foobarry> let it go sounds likea eurovision entry
[15:38] <foobarry> *exactly* like one
[15:38] <diddledan> I like adele dazeem tho
[15:39] <popey> DJones: thanks, standards! Multiple standards!
[15:40] <foobarry> osn is asking to watch michael buble now
[15:40] <davmor2> foobarry: because they are kids and love filme like that till the next one comes along it was the same with the lion King
[15:40] <DJones> Heh, I looked at changing my stereo in my last car, but gave up because it was going to be a pain in the arse getting the right adapter for a citroen
[15:40] <popey> yeah, this is why I went to halfords, they fit it for you
[15:40] <popey> I haven't done this since 1994 ☻
[15:40] <foobarry> i know as much about cars as other people know about computers
[15:41] <popey> (and don't want to)
[15:41] <foobarry> the analogy is installing an OS
[15:41] <diddledan> foobarry, do it right the first time and you'll never have to do it again?
[15:41] <foobarry> or choosing a printer
[15:42] <diddledan> foobarry, or is it a case of "just shove linux on it"
[15:43] <diddledan> I remember my first forey into linux before I understood what a kernel was. I decided to recompile the kernel to get sound. I didn't get sound.
[15:43] <diddledan> this was suse in circa 1998
[15:44]  * awilkins recompiled the kernel to get TV card support
[15:44] <diddledan> I think the big thing that I missed when I was doing it, was to actually put the compiled kernel someplace useful and actually boot it
[15:45] <DJones> diddledan: I had similar experiences on slackware in about 1995, after making a mess of the kernel so many times, I installed Ubuntu 6.06
[15:45] <diddledan> but mrproper sounded awesome
[15:46] <foobarry> i'm just taking the engine out to get the stereo working darling
[15:46] <diddledan> foobarry, don't forget to decoke the pistons
[15:47] <diddledan> foobarry, it might be worth a rebore too
[15:47]  * diddledan pretends he's a blokey bloke bloke and knows what he's talking about
[15:49] <shauno> I used to write my kernel out to floppies.  made foul-ups so much easier to deal with :)
[15:49] <diddledan> my next ransom note is going to look the business: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/BlackCasper
[15:51] <foobarry> heh
[15:51] <DJones> Thats the font isohunt should have used for their announcement of oldpiratebay.org rather than the one they used
[15:53] <diddledan> hehe
[15:55] <shauno> I wonder if you can still do that.  the default root device used to be whatever was in use when it was built, so if you built your own it'd boot with no args
[21:46] <daftykins> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1301015
[21:46] <daftykins> ^horrifying
[21:50] <popey> is it?
[21:51] <daftykins> 'tis a bit
[21:52] <popey> oh.
[22:46] <diddledan> daftykins, yeah, that's irked me for some time now
[22:46] <diddledan> daftykins, I'm in the same boat as a lot of those commenters in managing remote systems
[22:46] <daftykins> is your experience the same, that sudo service networking restart fails too?
[22:47] <diddledan> yup, it just flat out breaks
[22:47] <daftykins> so there's basically nothing good beyond full reboot otherwise :(
[22:47] <daftykins> well, assuming ifup+down fails
[22:48] <diddledan> ifdown && ifup <-- oh ffs, I forgot to background it like stephane said in a random comment half way down the random bug report that makes it "official". now I have to go catch the train to reading and get into the datacentre to hit the reboob button!?!
[22:50] <daftykins> :D
[22:50] <daftykins> diddledan: family.
[22:50] <diddledan> apparently you need gymnastic fingers to restart networking now
[22:51] <diddledan> (ifdown -a --exclude=lo && ifup -a --exclude=lo) &
[22:51] <diddledan> htf am I supposed to remember that?!
[22:52] <diddledan> f == fred. for fred's sake and how the fred.
[22:52] <diddledan> or maybe "how's that, fred?"
[22:56] <daftykins> nice save :)
[22:56] <daftykins> made me laugh that