| * ochosi just upgraded to gtk3.14 from ubuntu-desktop's testing PPA on vivid | 07:32 | |
| elfy | ochosi is flying along on the crest of a wave this cycle :) | 07:34 |
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| ochosi | yalla, that isn't all looking right | 07:35 |
| ochosi | i mean, it *could* be worse | 07:35 |
| ochosi | but there are a few things that are messed up | 07:35 |
| elfy | right | 07:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i guess you have to push an update to catfish for 3.14... http://i.imgur.com/cVg72ci.png | 07:36 |
| ochosi | should be simple though in this case | 07:36 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok, i take it back. in fact i have to update greybird, nothing you have to do for catfish, that's all good | 07:46 |
| elfy | you want me to upgrade gtk as well to double check your updates? | 07:47 |
| elfy | if so - point me at the ppa :) | 07:47 |
| ochosi | elfy: will do. for now i can just tell you that a lot of stuff looks broken :) | 07:51 |
| ochosi | thing is, i'm waiting for satya to finish the SASS port of Numix for gtk3.14 | 07:52 |
| ochosi | then i'll port Greybird based on that | 07:52 |
| elfy | ochosi: that's ok - I don't mind that too much - looks all the better when the fix comes :D | 07:52 |
| ochosi | so trying to fix small issues now is a waste of time | 07:52 |
| ochosi | just looking what general issues we might be having | 07:52 |
| elfy | ok - well how about you let me know when it should be better and I'll do it then | 07:53 |
| ochosi | yup, that's better :) | 07:55 |
| ochosi | already found the first bug i can fix though | 07:55 |
| elfy | :) | 07:56 |
| elfy | ochosi: here's an odd one - I move window controls to the left, calc keeps the close on the right | 07:59 |
| ochosi | not really odd, it's CSD | 08:00 |
| ochosi | (client-side decorations) | 08:01 |
| ochosi | there is no way we can change that other than by hardcoding it in the theme | 08:01 |
| ochosi | which is why it's on the right, like the xubuntu default | 08:01 |
| elfy | ok - thanks | 08:03 |
| ochosi | Unit193: didn't you have a replacement suggestion for gnome-calculator? | 08:05 |
| Unit193 | No. | 08:05 |
| ochosi | oh right | 08:06 |
| ochosi | we could install galculator | 08:07 |
| ochosi | apart from the ugly app-icon it sets, it looks quite alright | 08:08 |
| ochosi | and it has a menubar and traditional window borders | 08:08 |
| ochosi | http://i.imgur.com/D0YSo0l.png | 08:08 |
| Unit193 | Hah, that's the one I just looked at. :P | 08:08 |
| ochosi | well it says mate on the packaging, so it should be alright | 08:09 |
| ochosi | do we have many other apps with CSD? | 08:09 |
| ochosi | (simple-scan is already being fixed) | 08:10 |
| Unit193 | And some of those can look to MATE alternatives. | 08:10 |
| ochosi | hmm, file-roller | 08:10 |
| Unit193 | Hmm, GTK#? | 08:11 |
| ochosi | what're you asking? | 08:11 |
| elfy | hi Unit193 | 08:11 |
| Unit193 | !info graphmonkey | 08:12 |
| ubottu | graphmonkey (source: graphmonkey): a GTK#-based graphing calculator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7-3 (utopic), package size 42 kB, installed size 117 kB | 08:12 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Howdy, too. | 08:12 |
| ochosi | that's too complex anyway | 08:12 |
| ochosi | i guess it's gtk+c# | 08:12 |
| ochosi | but i dunno | 08:12 |
| bluesabre | elfy, ochosi, there is a way to fix that | 10:45 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, can you investigate adding this to the xfwm settings? | 10:47 |
| bluesabre | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/530 | 10:47 |
| bluesabre | basically, the layout for GtkHeaderBars is: <left-side of header>:<right-side of header> | 10:49 |
| bluesabre | elfy: ^ Settings > Settings Editor, "xsettings" -> "DecorationLayout" | 11:20 |
| elfy | bluesabre: ack | 13:17 |
| ochosi | elfy: my intelligent hiding patch was reviewed today, so i hope it'll be pushed in the next days and then we'll soon have it in the PPA. have you noticed any other oddities with intelligent hiding so far? | 13:36 |
| ochosi | btw, file-roller is supposed to get the headerbar removed | 13:38 |
| elfy | ochosi: no - not seen anything else I would call odd at all | 14:38 |
| elfy | as soon as I see the upgrade I'll set it to hide again and check it works for me as well as you :) | 14:39 |
| ochosi | yup, i'll let you know when it lands | 14:39 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 14:39 |
| elfy | ochosi: as soon as that's landed perhaps we could look at running a call for corner tiling - unless you want to leave it a while | 14:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, actually i discovered one or two issues myself already that i would want to resolve first | 14:41 |
| elfy | I know that a few that test for us - also test buntu wide - and there should be a call for alpha 1 this week | 14:41 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - when you're ready give me a shout then :) | 14:41 |
| ochosi | yeah, not sure how much time i'll have before christmas to figure this out | 14:41 |
| elfy | ok - well a2 is week commencing 19th January | 14:42 |
| elfy | so try and remember I'd not want extra in for that week | 14:42 |
| ochosi | sure | 14:43 |
| sidi | just FYI there's a Xub user on the xfce user ML who complains about recurrent Thunar crashes | 17:13 |
| sidi | it'd be a great idea to give him/her some instructions on running a Thunar that writes a coredump or that logs TRACE() calls to a file we can retrieve | 17:14 |
| ochosi | afaik thunar is one of the most frequent crashers in xubuntu | 17:29 |
| ochosi | i think ali1234 looked into that a bit | 17:29 |
| ochosi | sidi: ^ | 17:29 |
| sidi | ochosi, i did run a debug version too but mine crashes rarely | 17:30 |
| sidi | primarily because i dont use file managers much | 17:30 |
| ochosi | sidi: here's the follow-up discussion of thunar... https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2014-November/030918.html | 17:37 |
| sidi | ochosi, oh right | 17:44 |
| ochosi | so yeah, those things don't go unnoticed, but i guess so far nobody has found the culprit | 17:45 |
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| bluesabre | I'll keep the file-roller headerbar if it means there are not two menubars | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:36 |
| Unit193 | I'd take two menus over none. | 23:40 |
| * bluesabre aims to patch in a third menu for good measure | 23:43 | |
| bluesabre | how's it going Unit193? | 23:43 |
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| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, but actually it's just their patches being borked | 23:51 |
| ochosi | i talked to larsu today | 23:51 |
| ochosi | also the issue with gnome-calculator will likely be resolved | 23:52 |
| ochosi | right now it checks for !unity instead of for ==gnome | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: cool | 23:55 |
| bluesabre | will probably patch lls tonight and package up ll for vivid | 23:55 |
| ochosi | if they don't fix it in time we gotta poke them | 23:55 |
| ochosi | wow, that'd be quick | 23:55 |
| ochosi | don't you wanna just patch xfpm instead? | 23:56 |
| ochosi | to me it sounds like a nicer investment | 23:56 |
| ochosi | although if we want to keep *maximum modularity* then yes, fine, keep lls around | 23:56 |
| ochosi | to me the original idea of lls though was being a crutch for 14.04 and ll not having a proper settings interface | 23:57 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: true, was just going to do lls quickly since it is a quick to fix thing | 23:57 |
| ochosi | actually now people can easily change their setting via dconf-editor etc | 23:57 |
| bluesabre | but maybe thats just lazy of me :) | 23:57 |
| ochosi | adding another tab for xfpm is just as easy though | 23:57 |
| ochosi | (almost) | 23:57 |
| ochosi | since you already know how to handle gsettings in c, the rest is a piece of cake, no? | 23:58 |
| ochosi | although yeah, we need a runtime-check for light-locker again | 23:58 |
| ochosi | but with dbus, that should be more reliable now, no? | 23:58 |
| ochosi | and less PID-y | 23:59 |
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