[07:32] * ochosi just upgraded to gtk3.14 from ubuntu-desktop's testing PPA on vivid [07:34] ochosi is flying along on the crest of a wave this cycle :) [07:35] yalla, that isn't all looking right [07:35] i mean, it *could* be worse [07:35] but there are a few things that are messed up [07:35] right [07:36] bluesabre: i guess you have to push an update to catfish for 3.14... http://i.imgur.com/cVg72ci.png [07:36] should be simple though in this case [07:46] bluesabre: ok, i take it back. in fact i have to update greybird, nothing you have to do for catfish, that's all good [07:47] you want me to upgrade gtk as well to double check your updates? [07:47] if so - point me at the ppa :) [07:51] elfy: will do. for now i can just tell you that a lot of stuff looks broken :) [07:52] thing is, i'm waiting for satya to finish the SASS port of Numix for gtk3.14 [07:52] then i'll port Greybird based on that [07:52] ochosi: that's ok - I don't mind that too much - looks all the better when the fix comes :D [07:52] so trying to fix small issues now is a waste of time [07:52] just looking what general issues we might be having [07:53] ok - well how about you let me know when it should be better and I'll do it then [07:55] yup, that's better :) [07:55] already found the first bug i can fix though [07:56] :) [07:59] ochosi: here's an odd one - I move window controls to the left, calc keeps the close on the right [08:00] not really odd, it's CSD [08:01] (client-side decorations) [08:01] there is no way we can change that other than by hardcoding it in the theme [08:01] which is why it's on the right, like the xubuntu default [08:03] ok - thanks [08:05] Unit193: didn't you have a replacement suggestion for gnome-calculator? [08:05] No. [08:06] oh right [08:07] we could install galculator [08:08] apart from the ugly app-icon it sets, it looks quite alright [08:08] and it has a menubar and traditional window borders [08:08] http://i.imgur.com/D0YSo0l.png [08:08] Hah, that's the one I just looked at. :P [08:09] well it says mate on the packaging, so it should be alright [08:09] do we have many other apps with CSD? [08:10] (simple-scan is already being fixed) [08:10] And some of those can look to MATE alternatives. [08:10] hmm, file-roller [08:11] Hmm, GTK#? [08:11] what're you asking? [08:11] hi Unit193 [08:12] !info graphmonkey [08:12] graphmonkey (source: graphmonkey): a GTK#-based graphing calculator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7-3 (utopic), package size 42 kB, installed size 117 kB [08:12] elfy: Howdy, too. [08:12] that's too complex anyway [08:12] i guess it's gtk+c# [08:12] but i dunno [10:45] elfy, ochosi, there is a way to fix that [10:47] ochosi, can you investigate adding this to the xfwm settings? [10:47] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/530 [10:49] basically, the layout for GtkHeaderBars is: : [11:20] elfy: ^ Settings > Settings Editor, "xsettings" -> "DecorationLayout" [13:17] bluesabre: ack [13:36] elfy: my intelligent hiding patch was reviewed today, so i hope it'll be pushed in the next days and then we'll soon have it in the PPA. have you noticed any other oddities with intelligent hiding so far? [13:38] btw, file-roller is supposed to get the headerbar removed [14:38] ochosi: no - not seen anything else I would call odd at all [14:39] as soon as I see the upgrade I'll set it to hide again and check it works for me as well as you :) [14:39] yup, i'll let you know when it lands [14:39] thanks :) [14:40] ochosi: as soon as that's landed perhaps we could look at running a call for corner tiling - unless you want to leave it a while [14:41] yeah, actually i discovered one or two issues myself already that i would want to resolve first [14:41] I know that a few that test for us - also test buntu wide - and there should be a call for alpha 1 this week [14:41] ochosi: ok - when you're ready give me a shout then :) [14:41] yeah, not sure how much time i'll have before christmas to figure this out [14:42] ok - well a2 is week commencing 19th January [14:42] so try and remember I'd not want extra in for that week [14:43] sure [17:13] just FYI there's a Xub user on the xfce user ML who complains about recurrent Thunar crashes [17:14] it'd be a great idea to give him/her some instructions on running a Thunar that writes a coredump or that logs TRACE() calls to a file we can retrieve [17:29] afaik thunar is one of the most frequent crashers in xubuntu [17:29] i think ali1234 looked into that a bit [17:29] sidi: ^ [17:30] ochosi, i did run a debug version too but mine crashes rarely [17:30] primarily because i dont use file managers much [17:37] sidi: here's the follow-up discussion of thunar... https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2014-November/030918.html [17:44] ochosi, oh right [17:45] so yeah, those things don't go unnoticed, but i guess so far nobody has found the culprit === a5m0_ is now known as a5m0 === genii is now known as ChristmasPresent === ChristmasPresent is now known as genii === genii is now known as ChristmasPresent === ChristmasPresent is now known as genii === genii is now known as ChristmasPresent === ChristmasPresent is now known as genii [23:36] I'll keep the file-roller headerbar if it means there are not two menubars [23:36] :) [23:40] I'd take two menus over none. [23:43] * bluesabre aims to patch in a third menu for good measure [23:43] how's it going Unit193? === genii is now known as ChristmasPresent === ChristmasPresent is now known as genii [23:51] bluesabre: yeah, but actually it's just their patches being borked [23:51] i talked to larsu today [23:52] also the issue with gnome-calculator will likely be resolved [23:52] right now it checks for !unity instead of for ==gnome [23:55] ochosi: cool [23:55] will probably patch lls tonight and package up ll for vivid [23:55] if they don't fix it in time we gotta poke them [23:55] wow, that'd be quick [23:56] don't you wanna just patch xfpm instead? [23:56] to me it sounds like a nicer investment [23:56] although if we want to keep *maximum modularity* then yes, fine, keep lls around [23:57] to me the original idea of lls though was being a crutch for 14.04 and ll not having a proper settings interface [23:57] ochosi: true, was just going to do lls quickly since it is a quick to fix thing [23:57] actually now people can easily change their setting via dconf-editor etc [23:57] but maybe thats just lazy of me :) [23:57] adding another tab for xfpm is just as easy though [23:57] (almost) [23:58] since you already know how to handle gsettings in c, the rest is a piece of cake, no? [23:58] although yeah, we need a runtime-check for light-locker again [23:58] but with dbus, that should be more reliable now, no? [23:59] and less PID-y