[00:13] <rosaecaeruleae> plasma widget wifi, where do I find it? or, how do I activate it?
[00:15] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: you mean, kde plasma?
[00:15] <rosaecaeruleae> holstein, i dont know,
[00:15] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i would try #kubuntu or a kde channel. not sure about how to use those in xfce
[00:15] <rosaecaeruleae> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma-widget-wifi
[00:16] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: http://askubuntu.com/questions/490289/how-do-i-run-kde-widgets-in-xfce is relevant
[00:16] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i suggest *not* using them in xfce.. though, you certainly can
[04:19] <Parabox> Whats up fellas?
[11:09] <gruntz> Hi. I have problem with tray icons - my dropbox icon is not this system default one: https://i.imgur.com/RuhSzId.png - it worked day or two ago
[11:12] <brainwash> gruntz: take a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/561448/dropbox-3-0-3-ignoring-local-themes-icons
[11:14] <gruntz> brainwash: thanks
[11:14] <gruntz> I have xfce4-session 4.11.0-1ubuntu1
[11:14] <gruntz> for sure
[11:14] <gruntz> will try other workarounds
[11:14] <gruntz> copying icons to ~/.dropbox seems lame to me
[11:16] <brainwash> why? at least it seems to be a valid fix
[11:20] <gruntz> brainwash: and unfortunately, I don't see any dropbox's icons in /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-darker/actions/16/
[11:21] <brainwash> maybe it's located in elementary-xfce-dark
[11:21] <brainwash> well, I cannot check right now
[11:22] <bluesabre> /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/panel/22
[11:22] <bluesabre> /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark/panel/22
[11:22] <bluesabre> dropboxstatus*.png
[11:22] <bluesabre> bbl
[11:22] <bluesabre> gruntz, brainwash ^
[11:23] <gruntz> okay, thanks
[11:23] <gruntz> I copied it and now it looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/cptwHcV.png
[11:24] <gruntz> "Thanks @DKBose -- I've already done that (copied over the right icons) -- but I'd like it to use the local theme to avoid the white background, too"
[11:24] <gruntz> ^ from askubuntu
[11:25] <brainwash> maybe you need to run "qtconfig-qt4" and change the gui style to GTK
[11:26] <brainwash> however, the new dropbox might be a qt5 app
[11:26] <gruntz> I did this
[11:26] <gruntz> yes
[11:26] <gruntz> it uses qt1
[11:26] <gruntz> err qt5
[11:28] <brainwash> so, maybe someone in the qt channel knows how to fix this
[11:28] <brainwash> or dropbox
[13:51] <ravi_> Hi
[13:52] <ravi_> can we run android apps in xubuntu?
[13:52] <ravi_> is there any emulator
[13:53] <GrinchCube> theres is
[13:54] <GrinchCube> http://techapple.net/2014/05/5-best-android-emulators-linux-run-android-apps-linux-ubuntulinuxmintfedoraarchlinuxopensusemageiacentos-etc/
[14:04] <ravi_> thanks GrinchCube
[14:04] <ravi_> let me check the link
[14:28] <ravi_> thanks GrinchCube, It is very helpful
[14:28] <GrinchCube> :)
[14:28] <GrinchCube> next time remember you can google your question before asking here too :)
[20:13] <mesaboogie1> hey I've got flash videos on youtube etc, but get nothing on facebook videos
[20:13] <mesaboogie1> have you heard of this?
[20:13] <mesaboogie1> I can't find it on google
[20:13] <bekks> "get nothing"?
[20:13] <mesaboogie1> can't play the videos
[20:24] <mall> Hello Xubuntu
[20:24] <mall> I want to install Xubuntu 14.04 on a PowerPC G4
[20:25] <mall> and I wonder if I can do this using the regular xubuntu .iso
[20:25] <mesaboogie1> how can I just install the "last" version of firefox - that worked?
[20:25] <mall> or if I am forced to do a netboot/mini
[20:25] <mesaboogie1> it's with this new 34 version
[20:26] <mall> mesaboogie1 your firefox does not work ?
[20:26] <mesaboogie1> it's updated to v.34 and now things aren't working
[20:26] <mall> what things
[20:27] <mesaboogie1> (I don't know what version I had but it was fine)
[20:27] <mesaboogie1> can't play facebook videos
[20:28] <mall> is that all ?
[20:28] <mesaboogie1> yeah that and it's slower
[20:29] <mall> what you want is to downgrade a package
[20:30] <mall> as I understand it
[20:30] <mesaboogie1> yessir
[20:30] <mall> try following http://www.howtogeek.com/117929/how-to-downgrade-packages-on-ubuntu/
[20:30] <mall> it is for ubuntu
[20:30] <mall> but synaptic is available on xubuntu aswell
[20:30] <mall> or at least I got it, do you ?
[20:30] <mesaboogie1> I do now
[20:31] <mall> yay
[20:31] <mall> But, mesaboogie1, I would check plugins first
[20:31] <mall> as in disabling all plugins
[20:32] <mall> if any
[20:32] <mesaboogie1> yeah and playing the facebook video html5?
[20:34] <mall> I do not know about that
[20:34] <mall> I am confused if that was a question or not, jeje
[20:34] <mall> is the link I gave you useful ?
[20:34] <xangua> facebook has html5 player¿
[20:35] <mesaboogie1> ugh I'm hoping
[20:35] <mesaboogie1> it's flash to be certain
[20:41] <xangua> so flash is not working fine¿ not firefox
[20:42] <xangua> I have seen several issues with flash recently on #ubuntu about sites telling it is not up to date
[20:47] <xubuntu42w> What xub will work well w/ my 256M ram old P4 Latitude ?
[20:47] <holstein> i use the flash in chrome.. the most recent currently provided for linux
[20:47] <holstein> xubuntu42w: i would run something without x on that machine.. but, you can try xubuntu.. i would install with the mini iso regardless..
[20:47] <holstein> !mini
[20:48] <xubuntu42w> chrome means google. must have x.
[20:48] <holstein> xubuntu42w: that wasnt for you, that was about adobe only providing current linux for chrome, which can be used in chromium and hacked into firefox
[20:48] <xubuntu42w> What version will not have crippling fancy grapphics junk?
[20:49] <holstein> xubuntu42w: if you want x, go for it.. try a light option.. i would add just lxde from the mini 14.04 iso, and set on that
[20:49] <holstein> xubuntu42w: *none* of linux have any of that
[20:49] <holstein> xubuntu42w: now, if you hardware is either too "legacy" or doesnt support linux well, then, it may do those things..
[20:49] <xubuntu42w> huh? no linux has kde4 etc etc "fusion" etc. ?
[20:50] <holstein> xubuntu42w: on machines i have of that era, i either get rid of them, since, i can typically find "better" hardware for free, or i run no x.. if you want x, you will accept compromise
[20:50] <holstein> xubuntu42w: no linux has "croppling fancy graphic junk", only desktops that you can choose not to use
[20:50] <holstein> lxde, as i stated, would be where i would start..
[20:50] <xubuntu42w> I want old-style X, without fancy effects.
[20:51] <holstein> xubuntu42w: go for it. nothing will prevent that.. try lxde added to the mini iso
[20:52] <xubuntu42w> I can use 14.10, and don't have to go back back back?
[20:52] <holstein> xubuntu42w: i suggested, and *still* suggest 14.04, since, you are not going to get "better" support for that hardware going forward,a nd certainly no "better" performance. nothing about 14.10 vs 14.04 is "better" for older hardware.. and 14.04 is lts
[20:53] <holstein> so, i would get 14.04 installed that, and *not* move.. since, you will not benefit from going forward on that hardware..
[20:53] <holstein> !14.04
[20:53] <xubuntu42w> So, 14.04 rather than 12.x or 13.x etc. ?
[20:53] <holstein> you can enjoy support for 14.04 in xubuntu for 3 years..
[20:54] <holstein> xubuntu42w: thats what i have suggested.. 14.04, yes, and not 12.04 or 13.04
[20:54] <holstein> xubuntu42w: 12.04 is the last LTS, and is not supported in xubuntu any longer.. 13.04 was a normal release.. also, not supported any longer
[20:54] <holstein> xubuntu42w: thus, i suggested the current LTS>. 14.04..
[20:54] <xubuntu42w> Thank You, holstein. I guess I'll try that.
[21:04] <xubuntu42w> me again. holstein or other kind person: SSL negotiation fails when I try to go to the minimal-install page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD , even if I try it w/ http instead of https
[21:05] <holstein> xubuntu42w: its working here, i just downloaded it, after you stated your issue with it
[21:05] <holstein> you can try wget in the terminal.. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[21:05] <holstein> wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[21:06] <xubuntu42w> trying . . .
[21:07] <holstein> as they say in the force.. there is no try only do
[21:11] <xubuntu615> hello, does anyone know how to quickly activate one-finger-scrolling on a synaptic touchpad? it worked out of the box in 12.04 and is gone in 14.04.1
[21:11] <xubuntu42w> The force is fictional. Anyhoo, Thank You -- the wget worked. I'm rusty. How do I run this/boot into the .iso ?
[21:15] <xubuntu42w> holstein, most of my clue-sticks have molded from disuse.
[21:17] <xubuntu42w> Now I have the Trusty mini.iso, but I don't recall how to utilize it -- I have to burn a CD?
[21:23] <xubuntu34w> sumthin happened on my end. Same guy that holstein helped before. How do I use the mini.iso I got?
[21:28] <xubuntu34w> Now have mini's for trusty and precise. Someone -- how do I use them ?
[21:28] <koegs> you can put them on a usb-stick
[21:29] <xubuntu34w> My P4 256M Dell Latitude doesn't seem to want to boot from usb.
[21:30] <xubuntu34w> Can I somehow boot them from my existing Kubuntu 8.04?
[21:31] <koegs> well, why not use a cd then?
[21:32] <xubuntu34w> I don't have a CD with me. I am at library w/ no internet at home.
[21:34] <koegs> not sure if this works: http://askubuntu.com/questions/340156/install-ubuntu-from-iso-image-directly-from-hard-disk-of-a-system-running-linux
[21:43] <xubuntu34w> koegs, I am following link instructions. However, I need to use gksudo to edit a grub file, and do not have gksu, and could not apt-get install it or anything for 8.04 .
[21:45] <xubuntu34w> I assume a regular sudo gedit would not work.
[21:46] <koegs> hm, 8.04, im not sure if grub1 kann boot isos
[21:46] <koegs> but you can upgrade 8.04 to 14.04
[21:47] <xangua> 8.04 to 10,04, to 12,04, to 14.04
[21:48] <xangua> clean install would be faster
[21:48] <koegs> but without live-cd, no usb-stick and only one hard drive, it is hard
[21:49] <xubuntu34w> ISTR that it can, but I don't recall how. All this is an attempt to get something like 14.04 for my old laptop w/ only 256M ram. Already tried a dist ugrade from 8.04 -- no go.
[21:51] <xubuntu34w> If I use the instructions from koegs's link, with regular sudo, any chance it would work?
[21:53] <xubuntu34w> I sure wish the distros could be gentler on us impoverished old-iron people.
[21:54] <xubuntu34w> I have a usb-stick but my laptop seemingly will not boot into one.
[21:55] <xubuntu34w> I guess I can take the bus back home, get a CD, come back to library, burn it, and boot, and install --- if all goes well. sigh.
[21:56] <AgAu> couldn't you just copy the iso to the usb... then burn the disk at home and install?
[22:03] <xubuntu34w> AgAu, I _guess_, but isn't the install going to want to pull in some more files?
[22:03] <AgAu> you don't have to
[22:04] <AgAu> the updates and optional shit can be downloaded later
[22:05] <xubuntu34w> AgAu, so the install and the result will not be in a bizarre state, except for not having the updates and optional shit?
[22:06] <AgAu> no it'll just be a base install
[22:06] <AgAu> the internet connection is just needed if you want to install the 3rd party components and updates
[22:06] <AgAu> all which can be installed later
[22:07] <xubuntu34w> Do you think that 12.04, also still LTS for now, would be no more likely to work with my old iron than 14.04 ?
[22:08] <AgAu> i'd try 14.04 first
[22:08] <xubuntu34w> I got both mini.iso's.
[22:08] <xubuntu34w> why?
[22:09] <xubuntu34w> nicer/newer but less conservative ??
[22:09] <AgAu> why use an old unsupported version if the latest works?
[22:10] <xubuntu34w> AgAu/SilverGold, Thank You a ton ! I will try this .
[22:11] <AgAu> good luck
[22:11] <xubuntu34w> 12.04 is LTS and supported until next April. Couldn't I upgrade to 14.04 by then ?
[22:12] <xubuntu34w> Anyhow, thanks again, AgAu !!!
[22:15] <xubuntu34w> Somewhat off-topic: is lubuntu dead? Some of their links break.
[22:15] <holstein> xubuntu34w: you will *not* be getting a more compatible version of linux for that os by getting new distros
[22:15] <holstein> 14.04 is what i suggest..
[22:18] <xubuntu34w> I wasn't considering _new_ distros, but the older 12.04, since it is still supported until April. I have its mini AND the 14.04 mini.
[22:18] <holstein> 14.04 is supported, as i, and the link i gave indicates, for 3 years xubuntu. and the "core" repos and kernel get patched for 5
[22:19] <holstein> so, mini 14.04 iso + sudo apt-get install lxde.. supported til april 2019..
[22:19] <holstein> for me, if i go through a bunch of hassle on that hardware, which i would, i would not want to do it again
[22:20] <holstein> this would be the *very* last thing i do with that machine, besides give it away, run no x, no gui, or put more ram in it..which i wouldnt want to pay for
[22:21] <holstein> xubuntu34w: these days, you can find p4's laying about, or dual core machines, with nice specs.. cheap/free
[22:23] <xubuntu34w> Although I use the command line for many things, I do want a gui, and have no $ for a newer box. I have two of these P4 laptops and a P4 desktop, and can't use the desktop at the library.
[22:24] <holstein> xubuntu34w: well, as i stated, "newer" hardware can be "free".. and, im not saying *you* dont need a gui.. im saying, thats the "best" use of that equipment
[22:24] <xubuntu34w> Wouldn't dist-upgrading this coming April from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS be pretty simple?
[22:24] <holstein> xubuntu34w: why would you do that?
[22:24] <holstein> xubuntu34w: 14.04 *is* out..
[22:25] <holstein> just install 14.04 now. no need to wait and "dist-upgrade"
[22:25] <holstein> i wouldnt *ever* dist-upgrade on that hardare.. i would install 14.04, and ride it out.
[22:26] <xubuntu34w> Being 2 years younger, wouldn't the 14.04 be more demanding of my old box? This is my only concern.
[22:26] <holstein> xubuntu34w: it'll be as demanding now as it would be next april, or whatever you were saying..
[22:27] <holstein> xubuntu34w: no doubt, that hardware is going to havfe a challenging time doing *anything* "modern".. what would i do? as i said, install 14.04 and use it til the hardware dies, or 2019 comes..
[22:28] <xubuntu34w> Not: install 12.04, get " all the support for it I'll ever need before april", and ride that out? I'm just asking.
[22:29] <holstein> xubuntu34w: do what you like, friend
[22:30] <holstein> xubuntu34w: again, i can only state what i would do, which i have above a few times.. you want 12.04, go for it
[22:30] <xubuntu34w> I guess I'll do the 14.04, but if it is slow as dog-shit on my heap of a box, then I'll try the 12.04. THANK YOU.
[22:30] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i would *still* install from the mini, or alternate text installer, and install lxde, not "lubuntu" or "xubuntu"
[22:30] <xubuntu34w> Will for sure !
[22:31] <holstein> then, i would have the core 12.04 support til 2017.. which is *only* for the server AFAIK
[22:31] <holstein> !langauge | xubuntu34w
[22:31] <xubuntu34w> mini plus lxde for sure.
[22:31] <xubuntu34w> Oops, the system did not like the feline fecal reference.
[22:32] <holstein> !bot
[22:32] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i actually was the one who was bringing it to your attention
[22:32] <xubuntu34w> ok. Thanks for all your help.
[22:33] <holstein> so, to recap. you get server support for 12.04 for 5 years..
[22:33] <holstein> the repos will be up.. i mean, if thats all i could do, i *still* would put that machine in the street, and just get another one. but, i know where to look for cheap/free low spec hardware
[22:35] <xubuntu34w> Link for _very_ cheap or free low spec hardware? I am retired, and my total income is 741 a month. I am even too old to supplement by selling plasma.
[22:35] <holstein> xubuntu34w: link?
[22:35] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i dont have a link for it, friend.. "shipping" is out of the question
[22:35] <xubuntu34w> Where do I find dirtcheap boxes?
[22:36] <xubuntu34w> Know anyone in Chattanooga w/ such things?
[22:36] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i have no idea where you find them.. all i can say is where *i* find them.. charty shops.. bartering in trade for work.. companies going out of business dumpsters.. the street on trash day
[22:36] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i know there are charity shops, and schools up there.. and computer shops.
[22:38] <xubuntu34w> All my present machines, and almost all in the past, have come from thrift stores, or at most from pawn shops. not seeing any trash day machines here.
[22:39] <holstein> xubuntu34w: cool
[22:39] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i have about 6 machines here, that i actually dont use, that, if you are near asheville, i will literally give you one, and all of them i got for free, and are higher specs than that
[22:40] <xubuntu34w> This laptop cost me $15 but I had to spend more than that to get a power adapter for it.
[22:41] <xubuntu34w> holstein, how about I megabus someday soon to Asheville  for one or more of those?
[22:41] <holstein> maybe consider something with a better "value" like a desktop machine.. or look for cheap/used ram, or just try something on it..
[22:41] <holstein> xubuntu34w: ?
[22:41] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i said *one* of them..
[22:41] <xubuntu34w> ok. one.
[22:41] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i didnt promise you could have multiple machines..
[22:42] <holstein> plus, the amount of $$ you spend getting here and back would be a waste.. for this hardware..
[22:42] <xubuntu34w> got that ONE. Does me busing to Asheville for one of them have any potential?
[22:42] <holstein> xubuntu34w: if you have a free ride, sure.. if you spend $20, to me, its not worth it
[22:43] <holstein> anyways., this is OT, and i am on the IRC around the clock and you are welcome to PM me and wait for a response..
[22:43] <holstein> !ot
[22:43] <holstein> cheers and good luck, regardless..
[22:43] <xubuntu34w> My other cheapest option I know of would be to spend $100 in a local pawn shop.
[22:44] <knome> holstein, fwiw, core support is the same length regardless how you install
[22:44] <holstein> xubuntu34w: pawnshops are not a good option.. you need to get one *before* someone spends labor hours on it.. we have a local goodwill like that, where, you can get a desktop (which is a better value) for cheap
[22:45] <xubuntu34w> I have no internet at home. A laptop I can use via network at the library.
[22:46] <holstein> xubuntu34w: sure, but, that, again, is a compromise
[22:46] <xubuntu34w> Our goodwills and such tend to have no computers. Our pawnshops tend to use no labor on them.
[22:46] <holstein> you get a better value on a desktop.. since the parts are more interchangable.. .more likely to find parts in a sale bin
[22:46] <holstein> xubuntu34w: for the record.. *dont* buy a computer from a pawnshop
[22:46] <xubuntu34w> But.no.internet
[22:47] <holstein> xubuntu34w: you would do better on craigslist with a chromebook..
[22:47] <holstein> or, a new one of those.. they are quite reasonable..
[22:47] <xubuntu34w> holstein, please define reasonable.
[22:47] <holstein> xubuntu34w: you just need to think outside the box, a bit, and get creative.. *or* spend some money
[22:48] <xubuntu34w> can.not. spend."some".money can spend: verylittlemoney.
[22:48] <holstein> xubuntu34w: *new* haswell hardware, with 2gb's or ram.. 10 hour battery.. under $200 US.. i dont thing anyone would consider that unreasonable
[22:48] <holstein> xubuntu34w: sure, i get that, friend.. from when you stated it before.. its just that, it doesnt equate with your needs..
[22:48] <xubuntu34w> Not unreasonable to those that can spend the $200. Out of the question for me.
[22:49] <holstein> xubuntu34w: sure, but you spent likely $50 on what is currently not fitting your needs..
[22:49] <xubuntu34w> I would feel extravagant spending $100.
[22:49] <holstein> xubuntu34w: and, i see those used for more like a $100
[22:50] <holstein> xubuntu34w: i got 3 netbooks off craigslist for $40.. *all* of them for $400
[22:50] <holstein> $40*
[22:50] <holstein> you get a deal like that, and sell a few, and *actually* make money on the deal... get paid to have better hardware..
[22:50] <holstein> thats what i mean by thinking outside the box..
[22:53] <xubuntu34w> What I usually run could almost run on an XT
[23:01] <xubuntu34w> The new machine treadmill is planned obsolescence. Boo hiss on it.   Over and, for now, out .