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Mirvsitter: doko generally has asked to keep PCH enabled. anyhow, I will follow whatever Debian decides too, and I'm curious to see whether they have the same problem or somehow magically avoid it.06:07
Mirvfor the moment I'm not blocked on it since we don't use qtwebkit and I made qttools ignore qtwebkit. for this week, I'd mostly just want to have a chance to see unity8 running on qt 5.406:09
sittermh06:12
sitteroh on that note06:18
sitterMirv: can you please push your qttools :)06:18
Mirvsitter: hmm sure, it's the ugly hack of removing qtwebkit for now, but it works. let me add a clear note about it first.06:24
Mirvsitter: pushed.06:25
sitterthanks06:25
sitterMirv: ah, fwiw, I think I found the cause of the broken pch http://paste.ubuntu.com/9537448/ for some reason that doesn't get reported with the 3 million arguments used in the build normally06:43
* Mirv pushed some more svg, multimedia, location too06:43
sitteralso for good measure I was unable to find any other build log anywhere on the internet that also used pch for Qt5WebKitWidgets, perhaps the problem is that suddenly it started to precompile for us ^^06:44
sitterMirv: hehe, cool beans, thanks 06:44
Mirvsitter: right... pch has been enabled for all but arm64 in qtbase, but I don't know the logic of it being used for the submodules. I'd assume it's enabled if it's enabled in qtbase.06:45
Mirvsitter: pch disabling for just qtwebkit shouldn't be a problem06:45
sitterconsidering upstream doesn't test with pch I do wonder if we really should enable it at all ^^06:48
sitterbut yeah, qtbase pch would make qt_module.prf/qt_module_headers.prf force pch for all qt modules so I guess that explains it06:48
* sitter slowly backs away from qtwebkit06:48
sitterkubotu: newversion phonon 4.8.307:01
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/140294707:01
sitterkubotu: newversion phonon-backend-vlc 0.8.207:01
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/140294807:01
sitterkubotu: newversion phonon-backend-gstreamer 4.8.107:02
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/140294907:02
sitterRiddell, yofel, shadeslayer ^07:02
sittershadeslayer: libphonon only contains debian relevant stuff so you can slap sune with the commits07:02
soeegood morning07:42
sitterwgrant: can I please get a bump to 5g for https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages08:36
wgrantsitter: Done.08:36
sitterthank you :)08:36
sitterMirv: qtsvg ... Missing build dependencies: libqt5opengl5-dev (>= 5.4.0+dfsg~) <- wouldn't >=5.4.0 be more appropriate?08:37
Mirvsitter: oh, I committed it like that since I'm pulling Debian's first qtbase upload with +dfsg in right now..08:38
MirvI'd have done the prune-nonfree myself but I wouldn't have gotten bit-for-bit identical tarball08:39
sitterMirv: even so, the dfsgness of the source should have no impact on the compat, should it?08:39
Mirvsitter: it shouldn't but again Debian has the +dfsg dependencies in qtsvg, and eventually I will anyway just sync qtsvg from Debian instead of having a separate packaging for it in Ubuntu08:40
Mirvbut if it helps your work, I can commit the +dfsg removal to the Ubuntu branch for now08:40
Mirv(pushed)08:41
sitterthx 08:42
sitterRiddell, shadeslayer: someone should find an alitoh sysadmin and have them look into the IO blockage08:43
lordievaderGood morning08:52
bukaiRiddell: ping ping!09:19
sitteruh09:21
sitterMirv: can you push qtxmlpatterns as well please :)09:21
Riddellhi bukai 09:22
bukaiRiddell: I have sorted out all the problems that were there before, except the design of the news page, It currently looks like ->http://wstaw.org/w/35YQ/ I am unable to modify it further. Any idea how to do it?09:23
Riddellbukai: looks find like that, what's wrong with it?09:24
bukai_Riddell: I mean do I need to install wp on the server?09:27
Riddellsitter: closing your phonon bugs, those were in last week09:27
Riddellbukai_: yeah i guess so09:27
bukai_Riddell: and what do i do with the news page?09:28
Riddellbukai_: how do you mean?09:28
sitterhuh :O09:29
sitterRiddell: uscan'd?09:29
sittercool, also very scary considering I forgot to announce the release last week ^^09:29
Riddellthat's how good we are09:29
Riddellactually a code-in student did it09:29
bukai_Riddell: the design of the news post page is currently ->http://wstaw.org/w/35YQ/ how do I improve it?09:30
bukai_soee: ping09:31
Riddellbukai_: looks fine to me, most people won't look at the news page they'll look at the feed on the front page09:32
sitterMirv: patch disabling pch on affected architectures attached to bug 139566109:33
ubottubug 1395661 in qtwebkit-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Qt Webkit fails to build against Qt 5.4.0 on amd64 and powerpc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139566109:33
bukai_Riddell: ok, great. Btw are there any more things I need to implement?09:33
soeehey bukai_09:33
Riddellbukai_: getting wordpress up and running and getting it to be a reasonable load on the server for one :)09:35
bukaiRiddell: test.kubuntu.co.uk is also a wp theme right? so can i use the same database and just activate my theme?09:38
Riddellbukai: yes I think so09:38
sitter^ needs performance and load profiling09:38
Tm_TRiddell: factoid updated09:38
bukaiovidiu-florin: ping09:38
bukaiRiddell: ok, thanks.09:39
Mirvsitter: pushed qtxmlpatterns, and big thanks for the webkit patch! I was trying to search for such a parameter.09:39
MirvI'll update webkit, tools branches as I get the fix verified09:43
Riddellbukai: bcooksley has some ideas on how to help performance09:45
Riddellor it can just be hosted on aws09:45
bukaiRiddell: thats great so how do I improve the performance? 09:46
sitterRiddell: that sounds expensive09:46
bukaiRiddell: we do not need aws actually09:47
sitterwhat would be an option is putting static assets (i.e. images and css) on cloudfront or an s3 bucket09:47
sitterthat should reduce load already quite a bit09:48
sitterquestion then is just how many concurrent connections apache is willing and able to take09:48
sitterhence the profiling need09:48
sitterwithout knowing what to expect it's hard to say how to make it not fall over on release days ^^09:49
bukaisitter: we can easily know the load on release days09:50
sitterbukai: you'd probably have to ask canonical sysadmins what the current load peaks on kubuntu.org are09:51
bukaino I have added google analytics to it. So Riddell can tell us the exact load09:52
bukaisitter: ^^09:52
sitterbukai: that would mean 15.04 needs to release with the old site though09:53
sitterunless you added it before the 14.10 release that is ^^09:54
bukaisitter: I have finished with the site I just need to put it on the server09:55
Riddellbukai: dunno ask bcooksley (new zealand timezone)09:55
sitteryeah, but to make sure that the new server can handle the load we need to have metrics from previous releases09:55
bukaiRiddell: do you remember the analytics config?09:56
sitterseems to me the existing kubuntu.org uses analytics as well, is that ours or canonical's?09:59
sitterRiddell: ^10:00
Riddellsitter: it's ours10:03
sitterRiddell: has that been there before 14.10 release?10:03
bukaiRiddell: on which server is the kubuntu.org hosted?10:06
Riddellbukai: a canonical server to which we don't have access10:15
Riddellsitter: about 24 hours before yes10:15
sitterRiddell: please be adding me to the analytics10:15
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sitteraverage load time of a page 2.5 to 5 seconds10:41
sitteroh my10:41
soeewoot woot10:47
soeewhat page ?10:47
sitterkubuntu.org average10:48
sittermh, bukai gone10:49
soeewrr there is ~7 separate css files, same with JS, concatenate them, minify, move JS to footer, compress code - be sure gzip is used10:55
soeealso images can be optimized be stripping not needed data10:55
sittersooo10:56
sitterpeak on release day was 1245 (hourly value), so including a random number of people that would have analytics/js deactivated a worst case stress test would be 13k concurrent acceses11:11
sitteralternativley for more realistic stress testing ... average pages per session that day were 2.6, so I'd ceil that again to be on the save side11:12
sitteraverage session time was 2:16 minutes, so ideally one would distribute 1.3k sessions where each session loads 3 pages over the course of 2:16 minutes possibly randomized a la rand() %3/(2+(16/60%60)) or some such nonesense11:14
sitterdepending on how one were to conduct the stress test one could possibly also directly mimic behavior in terms of which pageas are fetched (e.g. 31% of sessions would start on / and of those 22% would leave again...)11:15
sitterbukai, Riddell ^11:15
sitterRiddell: also FWIW, 2 minutes session time sounds a bit disappointing, I think the release announcements might not have been snazzy enough11:16
PaliRiddell: ping, have you looked at my ppa?11:18
RiddellPali: no sorry was hoping to have a helper in to do that, got vivid alpha 1 and plasma to do then I hoep to get onto it11:21
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Riddell!testers | alpha 1 candidates (I've no idea if todays image even boots)11:48
ubottualpha 1 candidates (I've no idea if todays image even boots): Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, gclark, neo31  for information11:48
RiddellTm_T: sgclark is not gclark :) ↑11:49
soeewell system works for me superb :) didn't try isos though11:49
Riddellisos is what needs testing11:50
soeeRiddell: later at home, to much work atm :/11:50
bukaiRiddell: Can you give me ovidiu-florin email id?11:53
RiddellOvidiu-Florin Bogdan <ovidiu.b13@ gmail.com>11:53
bukaiRiddell: thanks11:53
Riddellbukai: https://paste.kde.org/pzc2sspd211:53
Riddellwhat sitter said while you were away11:53
bukaiRiddell: I have seen it.11:56
bukaiRiddell: but how do we change i.e. improve that??11:58
Tm_TRiddell: aah copy paste error, I'll fix that11:58
Tm_TRiddell: sorry11:58
Tm_TRiddell: fixed11:59
Riddellthanks Tm_T :)12:03
bukaiRiddell: ping12:13
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Riddellhi bukai 12:19
bukaiRiddell: if the load time of the current site is long the new will be longer as it has more images and stuff compared to the old 112:21
bukaihow do we resolve that?12:21
sitterthe problem most likely is badly compressed pngs and a general overuse of pngs12:22
Riddellbukai: I'd worry about settings it up before premature optimisation12:22
sitterI wouldn't worry to much about this for now12:22
Riddellsitter: oh it's tuesday, can I make plasma depend on qt 5.4 yet?12:23
sitternope12:23
Riddellaww12:23
bukaiok , I am working on the setup part !12:23
sitteralmost there though my magic grep says12:23
shadeslayerwhats magical about your grep12:24
sitterit is smarter than me, must be magic12:24
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Riddellframeworks all compiled in archive but arm and powerpc holding it up as usual12:49
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bukaiRiddell: I have made changes to a blank html5 theme and created several page. Will the pages be an integral part of the modified theme?13:00
Riddellbukai: I'm not sure what that means13:06
bukaiRiddell: No problem I have figured it out! :)13:08
sitterchrome tab movement is totally not fluxbox compatible :@13:12
shadeslayersitter: fluxbox? :O13:29
sitterit's the supremest box13:30
shadeslayer:O13:30
mamarleyBut kwin!13:30
sitteris not a box13:30
sitterfatal flaw right there13:31
shadeslayertrue enough ^^13:35
mamarleymv /usr/bin/kwin /usr/bin/kwin-box13:36
Mirvsitter: oh... one missing, thanks!13:42
mparilloAlpha 1 Candidate is not here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds Is it just the regular daily? And does it ship 5.1.2 which is supposed to resolve https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34096614:18
ubottuKDE bug 340966 in general "Plasma 5 crashes maximizing VMware Player" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]14:18
Riddellmparillo: just set up http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds14:20
BluesKajHiyas all14:20
Riddellmparillo: alas most of plasma 5.1.2 is still building14:20
Riddellmparillo: but testing welcomed14:20
sgclarkis there a amd64 build? I need to do a reinstall anyway..14:21
soeethere should be i installed it liek 2 days ago 14:22
soeefrom staging then i think14:22
mparilloI will look again. Alas, I without the fix promised in 5.1.2, I can pretty much only test a clean install. Small (virtual) screen is a big handicap.14:22
Riddellsgclark: yep ↑14:23
sgclarkcool, backup up all my stuff first :)14:23
sitterqt54 build stack almost staged \o/14:26
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Riddellsince I started using git all my svn commands get run with -a and then I have to run them again without14:35
RiddellScottK: bug 1400730 needs some ~ubuntu-sru love14:55
ubottubug 1400730 in libxext (Ubuntu Utopic) "libxext fills up .xsession-errors log files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140073014:55
sitterMirv: it appears qtscript is broken again https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+build/665311315:08
* sitter heading out for tea15:08
* shadeslayer ponders about exporting QT_SELECT=5 via pkg-kde-tools15:27
Riddellooh live image is working :)15:59
Riddellonly armhf to go for kf5!16:34
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kranzerRiddell: hello, are you here?16:59
Riddellhi kranzer 17:04
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kranzerRiddell: when will new tasks be published?17:08
Riddelldunno, I felt a bit overloaded with all the ones last week17:09
Riddelland I don't have any immediate ideas17:09
Riddelloh you could package calligra 2.9 beta17:09
Riddellbut as I say I don't have much energy to mentor it17:09
Riddellyou could test kubuntu alpha 1 candidates17:10
Riddellthat would be cool17:10
kranzerRiddell: will it be as a task?17:10
Riddellyep, I can add that now17:11
kranzerri17:11
Riddelliso testing here if you want to start http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds17:11
kranzerRiddell: I'm not able right now17:11
kranzerRiddell: I have a task17:11
kranzerRiddell: couldn't you tell me how I can find Nicolas Brisset?17:14
Riddellnever heard of him17:14
kranzerRiddell: clear(17:15
Riddellnicolas.brisset@ free.fr17:15
Riddellsays identity.kde.org17:15
kranzerRiddell: I don't know the channel(17:16
Riddellkranzer: for what?17:17
kranzerRiddell: task17:17
Riddellkranzer: what task?17:17
kranzerRiddell: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/554962485300428817:17
Riddellkranzer: it probably has no irc channel, the website points to a mailing list https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kst17:19
kranzerRiddell: oh, then could you publish that task?17:20
Riddellkranzer: the alpha testing one? I can ask an admin to do it17:20
kranzerRiddell: please, ask him)17:21
Riddellkranzer: asked, but go ahead and start17:21
Riddellworst case someone else claims it and we get two testers, no bad thing :)17:21
kranzerRiddell: it isn't published yet17:22
Riddellkranzer: right, I can't publish it, we'll need to wait for an admin to do that, but you can go ahead and start the task17:23
kranzerRiddell: please, give me links)17:24
Riddellkranzer: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds17:25
Riddelldownload iso images17:25
Riddellinstall virtualbox if that's what you want to use17:25
Riddellor get a usb key if you want to use real hardware17:25
Riddelland install, using different languages and the different install methods the iso.qa site asks for17:26
kranzerRiddell: ohhh, I can't install now17:26
Riddellkranzer: why not?17:27
kranzerI have to use different computers(17:27
Riddellyou can use virtualbox or another virtual machine17:27
kranzerRiddell: virtual machines are very annoying and my computer starts lagging while using them17:29
yofeltoo much resources allocated to the VM?17:29
bukaiRiddell: I spoke to ovidiu-florin , setting up will not be a problem as he has already installed wp on the server for his site!17:30
yofelhm? test.kubuntu.co.uk is a wp install in his dir, yes...17:30
bukaiyofel: yes! can I create another user or only he can do it?17:32
Riddellanyone can17:33
Riddellbukai: what do you need?17:33
bukaiI want to import my database and activate the kubuntu theme17:34
yofelbukai: user in wp or on the server?17:34
yofelwp17:34
bukaiyofel: wp17:35
Riddellbukai: why not get your own install of wordpress?17:36
bukaiRiddell: wont it burden the server if wordpress is installed twice?17:38
yofelwell, the other one already has the posts, so just adding the theme there would be easiest17:38
yofelbukai: hardly if you don't access it17:38
bukaiyofel: the newone also has all the posts!17:40
bukaijust adding the theme wont be enough 17:40
bukaidatabase has to be imported17:40
yofelwell yeah, I just said that the other one already has those17:41
yofelbut adding a bunch of files and a mysql DB is hardly a burden on the server if nobody accesses the instance17:41
Riddellbukai: I set up http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/17:42
Riddellin your home directory17:42
Riddellyou can install wordpress there if you like17:42
bukaiRiddell: thanks, I will install wordpress there only!17:44
bukaiRiddell: how do I import my database there?17:45
Riddellbukai: do you want a new mysql database?17:46
bukaiyes17:46
Riddellbukai: do you know how to set up a new mysql database and mysql user?17:47
bukaino that I know , I want to know how to import an existing database17:48
bukaiRiddell: Sorry I got disconnected , so I am not sure if you told me to how to import the database17:57
Riddellbukai: I set up a new databae18:00
Riddelldunno what you want to import or how to do it18:00
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bukauRiddell: I cant find any database called test2, there is one called test18:14
Riddellbukau: works for me, what are you doing?18:15
bukauRiddell: when you do show databases how many database are there?18:16
Riddellbukau: three18:17
Riddellhttps://paste.kde.org/pnkr1jhfl18:17
* yofel installs some updates on that server. It's been a while since someone did that...18:26
* Riddell out18:39
soeeheyho19:45
Riddellhi soee are you able to do any testing this evening?19:56
yofelhm, we don't want to have a single-desktop pager in the taskbar, do we?20:08
soeeRiddell: can you give me link to iso ?20:09
yofelat least not while it's useless, setting it to show desktop on click would be a replacement to the missing show desktop widget20:09
yofelsoee: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds20:09
soeeim not usre why but konversation always disables me notification for this channel20:10
soeeso slow downloading :/20:12
soeeok with kget it seems faster20:13
yofelhm, we should kill kubuntu-settings-active/-netbook for p520:22
Riddellyofel++ 20:25
yofelon the positive side, upgrading works pretty well20:32
Riddelloh really? that's great20:34
RiddellI wonder if we should care about utopic plasma 5 users for upgrades20:34
RiddellI always said we wouldn't20:34
yofelI didn't test that... can do a run later20:35
RiddellI'm worried I've screwed up khelpcenter20:36
Riddellbut uploaded kde-runtime with khelpcenter (not khelpcenter4) 14.12.020:36
RiddellI did delete it from -proposed but I fear the danger is done20:36
Riddellwgrant: do you know if there's a way out of that?20:37
macstaranyone knows when the kde 4.14.3 will make it into the kubuntu-updates or kubuntu-backports ppa?20:37
yofelRiddell: I see 4.11.97 khelpcenter in proposed20:37
yofelcache update...20:37
yofel*14.11.9720:37
yofelhm, still there20:39
Riddellmaybe I failed to delete something20:39
Riddelldon't have my laptop here to check20:40
yofel khelpcenter | 4:5.1.2-0ubuntu1    | vivid-proposed/universe | source20:40
yofel khelpcenter | 4:14.11.97-0ubuntu1 | vivid-proposed/universe | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el20:40
Riddellhmm I thought I'd deleted the binaries20:41
yofelmacstar: for which release?20:52
macstaryofel 14.0420:52
yofelhm, that seems to ended up in some black hole with all the releases lately :/20:55
yofel*have ended20:55
yofelmacstar: can't say when really, as soon as someone has time for it20:56
macstaryofel no hurry mate ;) just wanted to be sure it will still come :P20:56
soeedo you also have this in VB when trying to boot image http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/16/kubuntu-14.10-plasma6-about.png ?20:59
soeecant boot the iso on my VM, have this video problem each time21:09
soeeok i switched off both options in Acceleration tab, now it works21:11
kfunkanother plasma 5 question: does krunner work fine for you? it's flickering heavily over here, like turning completely black after each key stroke (this has been the case all the time for me)21:15
soeekfunk: works pretty nice for me for a long time21:17
kfunkgood to know, so it's really just me, probably NVidia related again :/21:17
soeeim on nvidia to :)21:18
soeeoptimus tech, nvidia profile on21:18
kfunksoee: hm, question: do you have desktop effects enabled? i.e. running in composite mode?21:18
soeekfunk: yes21:19
kfunkcould you try turning them off and check again?21:19
kfunkshift+alt+f1221:19
soeesame21:19
soeeworks fine21:19
yofel*krunner* works fine, but the plasma popups when hovering over the panel flicker for me as well when they fade21:19
kfunkyeah, that looks odd here as well21:20
kfunkfunny thing is, with compositing enabled, it gets a lot *better*21:20
soeeim on propriety drivers 343 but 346 also worked well21:20
kfunkno flickering anymore both for the panel and for krunner21:21
soeewoho sddm works in VM -.-21:29
soeeim not sue if its because small VM window but when i open menu (kicker or how it is called) i see only favourites no any tabs to switch 21:32
kranzerRiddell: hi21:32
kranzerRiddell: I've just claimed that task21:33
kranzerRiddell: what VM can I use?21:33
yofelVirtualbox or KVM is what you'll want to use usually21:34
kranzeryofel: Can I do it from Windows?21:34
yofelVirtualbox runs on Win too, yeah21:34
kranzeryofel: cause my ubuntu is a bit laggy21:35
yofelnot sure why it would do that... but sure21:36
shadeslayersitter: do you really need include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/debian-qt-kde.mk for konversation?21:53
shadeslayeror will the kf5 helper be enough?21:54
wgrantRiddell: You've got a bad binary version? We can make versions go backwards in some circumstances when there's no other reasonable option.21:59
soeeRiddell: i can do more test tomorrow, today i have to go sleep soon22:13
soee*tests22:13
debfxsooo when can I expect a kubuntu spin with trinity? :P22:38
yofeluh, they have their own images, so that's already there? ^^22:41
debfxif they load as fast as their screenshots it'll take years to download22:42
yofelheh, true22:42
yofelso, a plain utopic+next upgrade to vivid works fine so we should be good on that side22:43
yofeleven has the correct default web browser, unlike the main upgrade22:43
valoriecool!22:43
valorieI might do this after xmas then22:43
valorietoo busy atm with gci and such22:44
debfxwow, they even have their own launchpad instance22:48
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