[16:00] <gnuoy> Since Scott was last week and Pierre is Bon Noeling I guess it's me
[16:01] <gnuoy> Anyone else around?
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <caribou> o/
[16:01] <gnuoy> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 16 16:01:52 2014 UTC.  The chair is gnuoy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <gnuoy> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <beisner> o/ hi gnuoy
[16:02] <gnuoy> matsubara, looks like you followed up on Bug #1398443
[16:02] <gnuoy> I don't see any other actions
[16:03] <gnuoy> #topic Vivid Development
[16:03] <matsubara> gnuoy, yep, the report is now working. :-)
[16:03] <coreycb> o/
[16:03] <gnuoy> Is now the point we'd normally look at http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server ?
[16:04] <gnuoy> oh , no
[16:04]  * gnuoy reads the script
[16:04] <gnuoy> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[16:04] <gnuoy> Alpha 1 (for opt-in flavours)  on Thurs
[16:04] <gnuoy> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:04] <gnuoy> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:05] <gaughen> o/   \o    /o
[16:05] <gnuoy> There are four bug there which look like they need love
[16:06] <gnuoy> jamespage, has Bug #1388077
[16:07] <gnuoy>  Bug #1387340 is marked as fixed released
[16:07] <gnuoy> * Fix committed
[16:07] <jamespage> o/
[16:07] <jamespage> sorry a bit late
[16:08] <gnuoy> Would scott be the one to shepherd that into Vivid and Utopic /
[16:08] <gnuoy> ?
[16:09] <gnuoy> jamespage, coreycb, have you seen Bug #1369294 ?
[16:10] <gnuoy> gaughen, should I be trying to get people to grab these bugs?
[16:11] <coreycb> gnuoy, I haven't seen it, not sure if james has
[16:11] <gaughen> gnuoy, if it's a hot bug yes.
[16:11] <gaughen> I also want folks going and answering questions on Ask Ubuntu
[16:12] <gnuoy> jamespage, you were working on Bug #1382632 , what needs to happen there?
[16:13] <jamespage> actually I think that's a no-op
[16:13] <jamespage> for horizon at least
[16:13] <gnuoy> jamespage, can you update the bug accordingly ?
[16:14] <gnuoy> We also need to decide on the temperature of Bug #1387340	 in smoser absence
[16:15] <gnuoy> #action jamespage update Bug #1382632
[16:15] <meetingology> ACTION: jamespage update Bug #1382632
[16:16] <gnuoy> I think Bug #1387340 can wait till post-christmas unless anyone disagrees ?
[16:17] <jamespage> yes
[16:18] <gnuoy> #action jamespage update Bug #1369294
[16:18] <meetingology> ACTION: jamespage update Bug #1369294
[16:18] <jamespage> gnuoy, I've marked that bug as invalid - the fix is in curtin which is inflight
[16:18] <jamespage> and that one is also invalid
[16:18] <jamespage> done
[16:18] <gnuoy> ok, let's move on
[16:18] <jamespage> agreed
[16:18] <gnuoy> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:18] <gnuoy> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-server.html
[16:18] <gnuoy> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-v-server
[16:19] <gnuoy> insert-blueprint-update-request-here
[16:19] <gnuoy> anything anyone wants to add here?
[16:19] <gnuoy> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:20] <caribou> gnuoy: nothing important on my side, thanks
[16:20] <gnuoy> caribou, ?
[16:20] <gnuoy> caribou, thanks
[16:20] <gnuoy> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:20] <gnuoy> psivaa_, anything from your side?
[16:21] <gnuoy> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:21] <gnuoy> Any updates and/or questions for the Kernel Team?
[16:21] <arges> No updates from the kernel team. Feed us bugs please.
[16:21] <beisner> gnuoy, /me still needs to work with QA team re: psivaa_ moving on to another team
[16:22] <beisner> gnuoy, ie. new qa team rep
[16:22] <gnuoy> #action beisner work with QA team re: psivaa_ moving on to another team ie. new qa team rep
[16:22] <meetingology> ACTION: beisner work with QA team re: psivaa_ moving on to another team ie. new qa team rep
[16:22] <gnuoy> beisner, ta
[16:22] <gnuoy> arges, will do, thanks
[16:22] <gnuoy> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:23] <gnuoy> I guess the holiday season means there are no server related events for the next few weeks
[16:23] <gnuoy> #topic Open Discussion
[16:24] <gnuoy> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:24] <gnuoy> Shall we say 2015-01-06 16:00 UTC for the next meeting?
[16:25] <gnuoy> I think we shall
[16:25] <gnuoy> #endmeeting
[16:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 16:25:29 2014 UTC.
[16:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-16-16.01.moin.txt
[16:25] <caribou> gnuoy: thanks
[16:25] <gnuoy> My pleasure
[17:01] <chiluk> o/
[17:01] <hallyn> \o
[17:01] <chiluk> hah..
[17:02] <cking> O/
[17:02] <chiluk> someone needs to start the meeting if there is indeed going to be one.
[17:02] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 16 17:02:32 2014 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Vivid
[17:02] <jsalisbury> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:02] <jsalisbury> #
[17:02] <jsalisbury> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:02] <jsalisbury> #       'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized)
[17:02] <jsalisbury> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[17:02] <cking> o/
[17:02] <chiluk> o/
[17:02] <kamal> o/
[17:03] <henrix> o/
[17:03] <jsalisbury> :1
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Vivid Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:04] <ogasawara_> yeek, already!!
[17:04] <ogasawara_> just a sec
[17:05] <ogasawara_> The master-next branch of our Vivid kernel remains rebased to the
[17:05] <ogasawara_> final v3.18 upstream kernel.  We have pushed uploads to our team's PPA
[17:05] <ogasawara_> for preliminary testing.  We are still debating on uploading to the
[17:05] <ogasawara_> archive after Alpha1 releases this week.  However, we may opt to wait
[17:05] <ogasawara_> until everyone returns from holiday after the new year.
[17:05] <ogasawara_> -----
[17:05] <ogasawara_> Important upcoming dates:
[17:05] <ogasawara_> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[17:05] <ogasawara_> Thurs Dec 18 - Vivid Alpha 1 (~2 days away)
[17:05] <ogasawara_> Fri Jan 9 - 14.04.2 Kernel Freeze (~3 weeks away)
[17:05] <ogasawara_> Thurs Jan 22 - Vivid Alpha 2 (~5 weeks away)
[17:05] <ogasawara_> Thurs Feb 5 - 14.04.2 Point Release (~7 weeks away)
[17:05] <ogasawara_> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:06] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:06] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:06] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Utopic/Trusty/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:06] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:06] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Prep
[17:06] <bjf>   * Precise - Prep
[17:06] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Prep
[17:06] <bjf>   *  Utopic - Prep
[17:06] <bjf>  
[17:06] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:06] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:06] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:06] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:06] <bjf>  
[17:06] <bjf>  
[17:06] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:06] <bjf>  
[17:06] <bjf> cycle: 12-Dec through 10-Jan
[17:06] <bjf> [17:06] <bjf>          12-Dec   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:06] <bjf> 14-Dec - 20-Dec   Kernel prep week.
[17:06] <bjf> 21-Dec - 10-Jan   Bug verification; Regression testing; Release
[17:06] <bjf> ..
[17:07] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:07] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:07] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 17:07:47 2014 UTC.
[17:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-16-17.02.moin.txt
[17:07] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[18:20] <Cugel> Hello people.
[18:22] <Fermata> Evening, Cugel.
[19:21] <danialbehzadi> Hey dudes,
[19:21] <danialbehzadi> Can I ask who is the head of Ubuntu community council now?
[19:21] <danialbehzadi> Just curious :D
[19:21] <genii> danialbehzadi: This channel is for team meetings. You might get a better response in #ubuntu-irc
[19:22] <danialbehzadi> genii: thanks
[19:46] <Kilos> evening all
[19:47] <OerHeks> Hi Kilos
[19:48] <Lionthinker> hi all
[19:48] <nlsthzn> that sounds like an old witch to me :D
[19:48] <nlsthzn> o/ btw
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <Kilos> #ubuntu-za is arriving
[19:49] <superfly> ohi
[19:49] <superfly> ooo, I see wendar is here too.
[19:50] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi everyone
[19:50] <elfy> nlsthzn: your meeting started yet?
[19:50] <nlsthzn> nope
[19:50] <nlsthzn> in ten minutes or so
[19:50] <nlsthzn> council meeting
[19:50]  * nlsthzn is here to lurk
[19:51] <theblazehen> oh wow, almost time..
[19:51] <elfy> danialbehzadi: there is no head of Community Council - but there is one person who's always in it - sabdfl
[19:51] <danialbehzadi> elfy: thanks
[19:51] <nlsthzn> slardybartfarl
[19:52] <Lionthinker> elfy, will sabdfl attend?
[19:52] <elfy> everyone else is there because people in the community voted for them - much to my shock at the time :)
[19:52] <nlsthzn> everyone knows democracy works >.>
[19:52] <nlsthzn> :p
[19:52] <elfy> Lionthinker: no idea I'm afraid - no-one from CC is needed anyway - this is LoCo stuff
[19:54] <skellat_> jose: I seem to have forgotten my correct NickServ password while on-campus
[19:55] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[19:55] <nuvolari> hello inetpro
[19:55] <magespawn> good evening
[19:55] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[19:56] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:56] <nlsthzn> o/
[19:56] <inetpro> guess it's not really evening for everyone here
[19:57] <costales> Hi everybody! :)
[19:57] <Kilos> hi costales
[19:58] <costales> Kilos, |o/
[19:58] <nlsthzn> o/
[19:58] <maiatoday> hi all
[19:58] <nlsthzn> \o
[19:59] <Lionthinker> And its not a public holiday for everyone as it is in ZA land
[19:59] <captine> Evening all.  Public holidays are great... except when spent doing home maintenance....
[20:00] <Cees> hi all, it is evening in NL but a working day
[20:00] <Vistaus> Good night!
[20:00] <Vistaus> I'm here on behalf of Ubuntu-NL so if during the meeting you have any questions, feel free to ask me :)
[20:00] <alpacaherder> #startmeeting Regular LoCo Council Meeting for December 2014
[20:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 16 20:00:30 2014 UTC.  The chair is alpacaherder. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:00] <alpacaherder> Good morning/afternoon/evening -- please delete as appropriate
[20:00] <alpacaherder> #topic Opening Business
[20:01] <Vistaus> I'm here on behalf of Ubuntu-NL so if during the meeting you have any questions, feel free to ask me :)
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #subtopic Listing of Sitting Members of LoCo Council
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info Pablo Rubianes, term expiring 2015-04-16
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info Marcos Costales, term expiring 2015-04-16
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info For the avoidance of uncertainty and doubt, it is necessary to list the members of the council who are presently serving active terms.
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info Jose Antonio Rey, term expiring 2015-10-04
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info Sergio Meneses, term expiring 2015-10-04
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info Stephen Michael Kellat, term expiring 2015-10-04
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info Bhavani Shankar, term expiring 2016-11-29
[20:01] <alpacaherder> #info Nathan Haines, term expiring 2016-11-30
[20:02] <alpacaherder> #subtopic Change in Council Composition
[20:02] <alpacaherder> #info Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph, a member of Community Council, announced the appointments of Bhavani Shankar and Nathan Haines on 2014-12-11.
[20:02] <alpacaherder> #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/12/11/welcome-new-and-returning-members-of-the-ubuntuloco-council/
[20:02] <alpacaherder> I am reminded to be less formal.
[20:02] <coolbhavi> o/
[20:02] <alpacaherder> However I do want to ensure that this is included in what is eventually copy/pasted in the blog post.
[20:03] <jose> meh, hello everyone!
[20:03] <alpacaherder> #subtopic Introductions by Bhavani Shankar and Nathan Haines
[20:03] <theblazehen> Hi jose !
[20:03] <coolbhavi> hey jose nhaines
[20:03] <Kilos> hi jose
[20:03] <jose> #chairs nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales
[20:03] <jose> #chair nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales
[20:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: PabloRubianes alpacaherder coolbhavi costales nhaines
[20:03] <jose> #voters nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales
[20:03] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes alpacaherder coolbhavi costales nhaines
[20:03] <alpacaherder> Bhavani, Nathan, could you please take a moment to introduce yourselves?
[20:03] <jose> no need to do all that stuff, alpacaherder :)
[20:03] <nhaines> Thank you, alpacaherder.  :)
[20:03] <jose> hey theblazehen, coolbhavi and Kilos :)
[20:04] <nhaines> My name is Nathan Haines, and I'm an author, instructor, and computer technician who has been using Linux since 1994.  I was skeptical when Ubuntu was announced, but once I tried 5.04, I was hooked and I've been an advocate ever since.
[20:04] <nhaines> I've been a leader in the Ubuntu California LoCo Team since 2007, held the first Ubucon in 2010 which I coordinated for three years, and hosted one of the first and longest running Ubuntu Hours.  I currently also help moderate /r/Ubuntu on reddit. As a longtime contributor to the Ubuntu community through many changes, I look forward to working to represent the LoCo community among the other councils and working with each team when needed.
[20:04] <coolbhavi> jose,  :) thanks!
[20:05] <PabloRubianes> Welcome to the Council
[20:05] <coolbhavi> I am Bhavani Shankar a sitting member of the LoCo Council from 2012 and a ubuntu contributor from 7 years
[20:06] <costales> Welcome coolbhavi & nhaines :D Great to have you on board!!
[20:06] <alpacaherder> Okay
[20:06] <jose> welcome again
[20:06] <alpacaherder> Welcome back coolbhavi and welcome aboard nhaines
[20:06] <alpacaherder> #subtopic Quorum Call
[20:07] <coolbhavi> thanks costales alpacaherder jose :)
[20:07] <alpacaherder> #vote Quorum Call (All Members Present To Vote In Favor To Register Attendance)
[20:07] <meetingology> Please vote on: Quorum Call (All Members Present To Vote In Favor To Register Attendance)
[20:07] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:07] <alpacaherder> +1
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from alpacaherder
[20:07] <nhaines> +1
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
[20:07] <costales> +1
[20:07] <coolbhavi> +1
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from costales
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from coolbhavi
[20:07] <PabloRubianes> +1
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[20:07] <jose> +1
[20:08] <alpacaherder> #voters nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales jose
[20:08] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes alpacaherder coolbhavi costales jose nhaines
[20:08] <alpacaherder> jose: Try again
[20:08] <jose> +1
[20:08] <meetingology> +1 received from jose
[20:08]  * jose gives meetingology a cookie
[20:08] <alpacaherder> No word from Sergio?
[20:08] <jose> nope
[20:08] <OerHeks> +1
[20:09] <alpacaherder> #endvote
[20:09] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Quorum Call (All Members Present To Vote In Favor To Register Attendance)
[20:09] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:09] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:09] <alpacaherder> #topic Verifications and Re-Verifications
[20:09] <alpacaherder> #subtopic South Africa
[20:09] <alpacaherder> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam
[20:09] <superfly> That's us.
[20:09] <alpacaherder> Who is here to speak for South Africa?
[20:09] <superfly> maiatoday: you?
[20:09] <maiatoday> There are a few of us, I am the LoCo contact
[20:09] <nuvolari> \o/ we're up
[20:10] <alpacaherder> Excellent.
[20:10] <nlsthzn> \o/
[20:10] <alpacaherder> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[20:10] <Kilos> here
[20:10] <alpacaherder> Tell us a bit about what is happening with the South Africa community and please speak to your application.
[20:10] <Lionthinker> also me
[20:10] <maiatoday> My fellow team members prepared the reverificationapplication
[20:11] <maiatoday> Or LoCo is distributed over a large geographic area
[20:11] <maiatoday> this means that most of our activities are online
[20:11] <maiatoday> pockets of people also meet face to face
[20:12] <maiatoday> We have seen a drop in numbers lately but we have a core group that are maintaining activity
[20:12] <inetpro> like Kilos
[20:12] <maiatoday> If you have specific questions about our re-verification page, the people who prepared the page are here and they can answer
[20:13] <alpacaherder> Tell us what is to the positive and what is to the "needs work" side of things.
[20:13] <maiatoday> Do any of the ubuntu-za people want to add anything?
[20:13] <maiatoday> The positive is that we have good communication on the mailing list and in the irc channel.
[20:13] <Lionthinker> we are really supportive of "newbies" and problem seekers
[20:14] <maiatoday> Anybody who asks questions in irc always gets a friendly welcome
[20:14] <nlsthzn> positive - active mailing lists and IRC channel for support and social... needs work; new blood needed
[20:14] <jose> so, I only see 1 event on the LTP for 2014, is there a reason why it wasn't that used?
[20:14] <theblazehen> maiatoday: agreed, friendliest channel I've ever joined
[20:14] <Lionthinker> Needs work - besides launch parties we haven't or are unable to host larger events
[20:14] <inetpro> it's been a busy/tough year for me, but I'm sure we can keep things up and many people are still interested to keep things going, we just have to keep it going
[20:14] <coolbhavi> How do you think the activity went down and any specific roadmap for the same?
[20:15] <maiatoday> also we are very distributed so if you organise an event only a few people are able to attend
[20:15] <nhaines> Dwindingly membership is a concern for LoCos that cover a large geographical area.  What do you think is the best opportunity to increase interest in LoCo activities?
[20:15] <nuvolari> +1 on needing new blood. We're finding it hard to maintain the pace as a lot of us have tight work requirements and find it difficult to get around
[20:15] <jose> Lionthinker: do you think the ability to add virtual events would make you register more events?
[20:15] <Lionthinker> Positive, we have a very wide age range and different people have different problems but each time support is forthcoming
[20:16] <Lionthinker> Jose the problem is internet penetration in SA, right now the bandwidth costs are exhorbitant, but yes it is an option which hasn't really been explored
[20:16] <superfly> jose: Probably. We have an IRC meeting every month, and we could add that to the LTP
[20:16] <nlsthzn> I think the surge of people that where in uni and college with the initial start of ubuntu is now long gone and we need to focus again on education of those areas and high school to get people active again
[20:16] <jose> superfly: I believe IRC meetings can be added as *meetings* rather than events. but it's a different topic :)
[20:16] <magespawn> also the range of support is very broad from basic to in depth
[20:16] <maiatoday> I think virtual events may help existing Loco members but it may be difficult to get new members like that
[20:17] <costales> I really like see you working in the SFD! About the Global Jams, were they face to face or online? :)
[20:17] <Lionthinker> I can say that Ubuntu ZA members are active in other platforms, and are proudly Ubuntu supporters.
[20:17] <alpacaherder> Okay, so you've got a broad geographic area that you want to cover with virtual events **but** you also have the problem of limited broadband penetration.  What is a ballpark guess for ballpark penetration in-country?
[20:17] <inetpro> some of our most active members have migrated to the USA and other places on the globe
[20:17] <superfly> costales: face-to-face, I went to one or two.
[20:17]  * alpacaherder goes to hunt up some reference sources too
[20:17] <maiatoday> I went to some face to face Global Jams
[20:18] <costales> superfly, nice :)
[20:18]  * superfly even has a package in Ubuntu
[20:18] <superfly> :-P
[20:18]  * coolbhavi remembers highvoltage as the face of ZA for a long time :)
[20:18] <magespawn> i live pretty far away so i followed online
[20:18] <nhaines> I like that you have identified shrinking membership as a problem and have analyzed the causes.  Sometimes it's easy to lose track of that.
[20:19] <nlsthzn> we have been bad at capturing some of the events... people not blogging or no photos etc >.<
[20:19] <captine> alpacaherder, per one of the ISP's, it is around 40%.  Most people are at work.  Not sure how reliable the source is
[20:19] <Lionthinker> alpacaherder,  out of 50 million people, cellphone usage is very high, however far fewer are smartphones, most internet done on 3g and then from ADSL it drops to only a few million
[20:19] <alpacaherder> For reference sake we've got a breakdown of where SA stands in terms of hosts here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2184rank.html?countryname=South%20Africa&countrycode=sf&regionCode=afr&rank=23#sf
[20:19] <captine> http://blog.webafrica.co.za/general/latest-statistics-south-african-internet-penetration/
[20:19] <maiatoday> also a alot of internet users in south africa only have online access from a mobile device not a pc, so they are not likely to get involved in ubuntu
[20:19] <alpacaherder> And for usage sake, CIA World Factbook claims this ranking too: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2153rank.html?countryname=South%20Africa&countrycode=sf&regionCode=afr&rank=54#sf
[20:20] <nhaines> nlsthzn: that would be a really good thing to work on.  Blogging about events and posting photos makes people more likely to attend future events!  :)
[20:20] <alpacaherder> maiatoday: That does seem to be a trend across the continent where Internet is tied mostly to 3G/mobile devices
[20:20] <captine> alpacaherder, I only started getting into Linux and Ubuntu about 2 years ago when I could afford more than a 384k adsl line :)
[20:20] <alpacaherder> captine: I understand
[20:20] <Lionthinker> nhaines, this is true, blogging is something we could prioritise
[20:20] <nuvolari> I'm at the mercy of mobile connections but at a friend's place tonight
[20:20] <Lionthinker> I still only have 3G
[20:21]  * nlsthzn has had a blog tied to planet.ubuntu.com for ages but never use it :/
[20:21] <costales> nlsthzn, it's OK :) Nice to see you are using the LoCo Portal :D http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/events/history/
[20:21] <Kilos> also only 3g
[20:21] <Lionthinker> working nicely tonight #breathasighofrelief
[20:21] <alpacaherder> To throw an idea out there, would anybody in SA consider making a request on the Community Budget to get a demo phone or two of Ubuntu Touch to show off?
[20:21] <Lionthinker> alpacaherder, I would
[20:21] <Lionthinker> without a doubt
[20:21] <nlsthzn> that would be awesome!
[20:21] <nhaines> It sounds like launch parties and DVD distribution can be extra effective there.  Poor penetration was one of the reasons that Ubuntu was founded and is limited to only one disc!
[20:21] <coolbhavi> Understandable coming from subcontinent myself reg Internet speeds :)
[20:21] <Lionthinker> Our tech journos would go craxy
[20:22] <magespawn> you will have a lot of people asking that one
[20:22] <inetpro> alpacaherder: that would be very cool
[20:22] <superfly> oooo, I can get MyBroadband to review it
[20:22] <maiatoday> nhaines, I have done all the DVD distributions in the past
[20:22] <alpacaherder> That would be something to look at here: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[20:22] <Lionthinker> Tech central, hypertxt africa, there are countless
[20:22] <nlsthzn> the distribution of the ubuntu-dvd's is something that has gone well for us
[20:22] <maiatoday> I post parcels across the country
[20:22] <nlsthzn> thanks to maiatoday :)
[20:22] <Lionthinker> places that would review it, also there's the whole sabdfl thing in ZA land
[20:23] <alpacaherder> :-)
[20:23] <maiatoday> the last round went badly though due to post office strikes :(
[20:23] <Kilos> thanks maiatoday
[20:23] <Lionthinker> we were sad to hear only LTS's would be posted
[20:23] <alpacaherder> Okay, can you name one priority where we could best assist your community or try to help break down barriers for you?
[20:24] <nhaines> maiatoday: Thank you for working on that.  I've been in charge of that in California and I know it's a bit of work to get done.  Make sure you record those efforts on the wiki somewhere because it's very important, and thanks for your hard work organizing that.  :)
[20:24] <maiatoday> :) pleasure
[20:25] <Lionthinker> alpacaherder, that is a good question and I'm racking my brain.
[20:25] <nlsthzn> I believe the ball is in our court at the moment to get things done and we know the council is there to assist if needed
[20:25] <alpacaherder> It is okay if you don't have anything right now.
[20:25] <maiatoday> I would say a few new members for the LoCo would be a great help
[20:25] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, well said
[20:25] <alpacaherder> maiatoday: If you can find me a job down there...have passport will travel :-)
[20:26] <nhaines> It sounds like you know the challenges in front of you and that's the important first step.
[20:26] <superfly> alpacaherder: one thing we've wondered before is if there's any way for Ubuntu to be able to "autodetect" the #ubuntu-za IRC channel in XChat
[20:26]  * nuvolari pledge to attend a meetup in Cape Town in the new year :P
[20:26] <alpacaherder> superfly: That would fall under the localization project I've been playing with...currently no...
[20:26] <superfly> I think a lot of people get Ubuntu, but then don't know where to get help from.
[20:27] <alpacaherder> I'll have to take another look at ubuntu-defaults-builder, though
[20:27] <Lionthinker> alpacaherder, I feel that more people use Ubuntu than are aware of the community surrounding it, for instance we have several organisations who have set up mirrors but that support and usage doesn't reflect in the community. So general disparateness is a problem
[20:27] <superfly> I've had a couple of people I know recently ask me a question or two with regards to using Ubuntu (they installed it independently of me) and they don't know where to find support.
[20:27] <nhaines> Lionthinker: could the LoCo reach out to those organizations and just touch base and start a conversation with them?
[20:28]  * inetpro agrees 100% with Lionthinker and superfly
[20:28] <Lionthinker> nhaines, yes it could
[20:28] <Lionthinker> we could prioritise that and work towards greater cohesion
[20:28] <superfly> I think the lack of connectivity plays a part in that too, because a lot of support is online, and they are unable to come online. So they resort to just Googling and reading tutorials at work, and then trying stuff at home.
[20:29] <inetpro> IRC has also become somewhat of a barrier these days with so many different forms of IM around
[20:29] <nlsthzn> ... we need more face to face stuff to help people without broadband
[20:29] <alpacaherder> superfly: Cases like the lack of connectivity in South Africa is why I pushed to get apt-offline seeded on the Xubuntu discs to avoid chicken and the egg problems using it.  It is the only flavor that has it on the disc but it helps bridging those gaps.
[20:29] <Lionthinker> inetpro, this is true, I only attend formal meetings on IRC for lack of time
[20:30] <superfly> alpacaherder: yeah, Kilos has actually done some work toward something like that.
[20:30] <alpacaherder> We're about half the way through the hour.  Members of the Council, how do you feel in terms of the discussion?
[20:30] <alpacaherder> Are we ready for a vote?
[20:30] <costales> alpacaherder, yes :)
[20:30] <Lionthinker> alpacaherder, I have never heard of this but it might be something that the Loco Council can help us with as a tool for further dissemination
[20:30] <nhaines> I think I've heard enough to make a decision.
[20:30] <alpacaherder> #vote That the re-verification application be approved and that the period of verification be extended for a period of two years from this date.
[20:30] <meetingology> Please vote on: That the re-verification application be approved and that the period of verification be extended for a period of two years from this date.
[20:30] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:31] <alpacaherder> +1
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 received from alpacaherder
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> +1
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[20:31] <nhaines> +1
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
[20:31] <costales> +1 well done team!
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 well done team! received from costales
[20:31] <coolbhavi> +1 good work
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 good work received from coolbhavi
[20:31] <jose> +1
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 received from jose
[20:31] <alpacaherder> #endvote
[20:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: That the re-verification application be approved and that the period of verification be extended for a period of two years from this date.
[20:31] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:31] <inetpro> \o/
[20:31] <alpacaherder> Congratulations team.
[20:31] <superfly> \o/
[20:31] <costales> Congrats team! |o/ :D
[20:31] <Lionthinker> lekker
[20:31] <superfly> thanks!
[20:31] <nuvolari> \o/
[20:31] <Kilos> yay
[20:31] <theblazehen> Yes!
[20:31] <magespawn> \o/
[20:31] <nlsthzn> thanks to the council for your time , keep up the good work !!!!
[20:31] <inetpro> thanks guys
[20:31] <nhaines> Please keep up the hard work.  It sounds like you have some great opportunities ahead!
[20:31] <nuvolari> whoohoo! thanks!
[20:31] <nlsthzn> \o/
[20:31] <Kilos> thanks guys
[20:31] <Lionthinker> we could translate but rather ask the sabdfl
[20:31] <maiatoday> thank you all of ubuntu-za for everything you have done in the last 2 years
[20:31] <coolbhavi> congrats ubuntu za!
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> Congrats team!
[20:32] <Lionthinker> thanks, appreciate it. lets keep up the good work
[20:32] <nuvolari> thank you everyone!
[20:32] <nlsthzn> good luck to the netherlands!!
[20:32] <magespawn> thank you council
[20:32] <alpacaherder> Lionthinker: Send an e-mail to the LoCo Council address so we can discuss apt-offline more after the meeting, please.
[20:32] <alpacaherder> #subtopic Netherlands
[20:32] <Vistaus> thanks nlsthzn :)
[20:32] <Lionthinker> alpacaherder, will do and thanks
[20:32] <Vistaus> That's us
[20:32] <alpacaherder> Who is here to represent the Netherlands?
[20:32] <OerHeks> thank you #ubuntu-za
[20:32] <Vistaus> @alpacaheder me
[20:32] <meetingology> Vistaus: Error: "alpacaheder" is not a valid command.
[20:33] <Cugel> I'm from The Netherlands, for mental support.
[20:33]  * alpacaherder reminds everybody that Twitter-isms make meetingology unhappy
[20:33] <alpacaherder> :-)
[20:33] <Vistaus> Sorry
[20:33] <Vistaus> I'm here to represent The Netherlands
[20:33] <alpacaherder> Excellent.
[20:33] <Vistaus> and a few other team members are here as well
[20:33] <alpacaherder> I know Marten said he couldn't be with us but please tell us about the good and the bad in the Netherlands.
[20:34] <Vistaus> We've had less face-to-face events this year, but we do have a lot of activity on the forums. They have become more active lately
[20:34] <alpacaherder> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DutchTeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[20:35] <Vistaus> and there's also a topic currently about how to promote Ubuntu better in The Netherlands which is currently 14 pages long and there's quite a few people coming out with good ideas
[20:35] <alpacaherder> That's good
[20:35] <Vistaus> We're also very active on Twitter and Facebook, mainly for promotion
[20:35] <Cugel> And IRC.
[20:36] <OerHeks> True, vraag.ubuntu-nl.org is growing
[20:36] <Vistaus> Our website was a bit left behind, but as a member of the Dutch Web Team, I recently updated quite a bit of information.
[20:36] <Cees> we maintain a Dutch wiki, helpful for Dutch language user.
[20:36] <costales> Hi Vistaus !! Lovely country! :D http://goo.gl/NBRmWw
[20:36] <Vistaus> We've also launched a Q&A Askubuntu style. It was kinda desolated in the beginning but it's becoming more active
[20:37] <Vistaus> lol costales
[20:37] <costales> :)
[20:37] <Cees> dutch mill
[20:37] <nhaines> I hope you are very proud of achieving a 98% translation rate in trusty.
[20:38] <Vistaus> There have been a few arguments on the forums this year, but we've solved most of them
[20:38] <Cugel> The translation community is very active, indeed.
[20:38] <Fermata> And doing a great job, with relatively few people.
[20:38] <Vistaus> We do have a lack of wiki members though
[20:38] <Vistaus> Promotion didn't really attract any new members
[20:38] <OerHeks> A member updated our fast support community support map based on openstreetmap http://kaart.ubuntu-nl.org/
[20:39] <nhaines> There's an ongoing election to fill a vacancy on the gemeenschapsraad, which is the community council if my German doesn't betray me.  :)  Is that going smoothly so far?
[20:39] <Cugel> fast -> vast
[20:39] <Vistaus> OerHeks: not "a member", Johan is from the server team
[20:39] <Fermata> He is a member of the Dutch community.
[20:39] <Vistaus> nhaines: That vacancy has been filled recently
[20:39] <costales> Well done, using the Portal :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nl/events/history/
[20:40] <Vistaus> fermata: Yeah, I meant "not just a member" 'cause he has one of the most important roles
[20:40] <nhaines> Vistaus: that's good to hear.
[20:40] <Vistaus> and yes gemeenschapsraad is community council
[20:41] <nhaines> I'm glad to see the team is keeping on top of mailing lists and working to streamline those.
[20:41] <costales> Did you make any Global Jam in the last years? :)
[20:41] <nhaines> Are they are major goals for 2015 that you're working toward?
[20:42] <Vistaus> nhaines: The major goal for 2015 is to attract more wiki members so that we can update all of the important information for newcomers
[20:43] <Fermata> http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Jams/NijmegenSept2012 -- one of the jams.
[20:43] <Fermata> There was one in 2011, too.
[20:43] <costales> Fermata, great :)
[20:43] <RawChid> costales: we did some Jams in 2011 and 2012
[20:43] <Vistaus> The other major goal is to up the promotion as well. We've got a few ideas by community members recently and we and they are gonna work it out
[20:43] <alpacaherder> Do you have plans to participate in Ubuntu Global Jam in February?
[20:44] <Fermata> No that I know of.
[20:44] <nhaines> It sounds like your members are quite enthusiastic.
[20:44] <Vistaus> I also proposed for new virtual events to be held, but there's not much interest in that, it seems. Maybe if promotion ups even more then newcomers will want to take part in virtual events
[20:44] <Vistaus> nhaines: they sure are :)
[20:45] <Vistaus> alpacaherder: not that I know off, but I could throw up the ball on the forums
[20:45] <alpacaherder> Members of the Council, are we ready to move to a vote?
[20:45] <Vistaus> of*
[20:45] <costales> alpacaherder, yes
[20:45] <nhaines> I'm ready to vote.
[20:45] <alpacaherder> #vote That the re-verification application be approved and that the period of verification be extended for a period of two years from this date.
[20:45] <meetingology> Please vote on: That the re-verification application be approved and that the period of verification be extended for a period of two years from this date.
[20:45] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:45] <alpacaherder> +1
[20:45] <meetingology> +1 received from alpacaherder
[20:45] <nhaines> +1
[20:45] <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
[20:45] <costales> +1 team! thanks for your work!!!
[20:45] <meetingology> +1 team! thanks for your work!!! received from costales
[20:46] <maiatoday> congrats Dutch LoCo
[20:46] <Cugel> Thanks guys, we appreciate your support.
[20:46] <Vistaus> Thank you!:)
[20:46] <RawChid> Thanks :)
[20:46] <OerHeks> o/
[20:46] <Vistaus> Thank you so much! :)
[20:46] <Fermata> Thanks to the council. o/
[20:46] <nhaines> You are definitely working very hard.  I wish you continued success, and I hope that you will let us know if we can help out.  :)
[20:46] <Fermata> Board.*
[20:46] <costales> :D Congrats!
[20:46] <Cugel> Thanks again. Leaving now to do good deeds.
[20:46] <costales> Cugel, ;)
[20:46] <magespawn> Well done NL
[20:46] <jose> +1
[20:46] <meetingology> +1 received from jose
[20:46] <alpacaherder> #endvote
[20:46] <meetingology> Voting ended on: That the re-verification application be approved and that the period of verification be extended for a period of two years from this date.
[20:46] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:46] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:47] <alpacaherder> If PabloRubianes were still present, he would have voted +1
[20:47] <alpacaherder> #topic Referred Business
[20:47] <inetpro> well done NL
[20:47] <Vistaus> thanks :)
[20:47] <nhaines> Keep being awesome, NL.  :)
[20:47] <alpacaherder> "Initiate Study on Referred Issue: People are leading innovation *with* Ubuntu (the OS), but not *in* Ubuntu (the project)."
[20:47] <Vistaus> we'll do our best nhaines :)
[20:47] <alpacaherder> There was a community planning hangout in which an issue was referred to LoCo Council for discussion.
[20:47] <alpacaherder> http://youtu.be/G4kpr0v9pD4
[20:48] <alpacaherder> This builds off the "Leadership Actions" etherpad in which it is desired that change occur in the Ubuntu realm.
[20:48] <alpacaherder> http://pad.ubuntu.com/LeadershipActions
[20:48] <alpacaherder> To quote what we do have to work with from the Etherpad:
[20:48] <alpacaherder> Problem statement --
[20:48] <alpacaherder> People are leading innovation *with* Ubuntu (the OS), but not *in* Ubuntu (the project)
[20:48] <alpacaherder> Proposed solution(s) --
[20:48] <alpacaherder> Encourage LoCos to expand beyond Ubuntu OS focused events, examples:
[20:48] <alpacaherder> * Robotic Operating System (ROS)
[20:49] <alpacaherder> * Designers doing work on Numix, Moka, Quantum OS, etc)
[20:49] <alpacaherder> * Docker
[20:49] <alpacaherder> Our action item received at the hangout: Consider further and prepare a report for community consideration prior to March 2015
[20:49] <alpacaherder> What is the pleasure of the Council?
[20:50] <nhaines> As far as groups innovating with Ubuntu independently, I consider this a feature, not a bug.  It may be that LoCo teams can encourage interested members to bring these innovations back into Ubuntu where appropriate.
[20:50] <alpacaherder> It looks like we'll need to refer this to the mailing list for further disposition possibly.
[20:50] <nhaines> But it's really difficult to say that new projects should be adding extra work to contribute back to Debian and Ubuntu.
[20:50] <nhaines> I'm willing to look further into it if we can get some clarification from the Community Council, perhaps.
[20:51] <alpacaherder> #agreed Item to be considered further on mailing list
[20:51] <alpacaherder> #topic Any Other Business
[20:51] <alpacaherder> Is there any other business before the Council?
[20:51] <costales> I was thinking in it, I think they are really technical areas for a LoCo members
[20:51] <alpacaherder> costales: True
[20:52] <alpacaherder> We'll need to hash that out further since what we wound up with wasn't well-defined.
[20:52] <costales> +1 alpacaherder ;)
[20:52] <alpacaherder> Last call for any other business...
[20:52] <alpacaherder> #topic Closing Matters
[20:52] <alpacaherder> #info The next regular meeting is scheduled for 2015-01-20 at 2000 UTC.
[20:52] <alpacaherder> #link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=LoCo+Council+January+2015+Meeting&iso=20150120T20&p1=1440&ah=1
[20:53] <alpacaherder> #info Those who have requests of the LoCo Council that arise prior to its next meeting are advised to write to the Council at loco-council at lists.ubuntu.com for assistance.
[20:53] <alpacaherder> #endmeeting
[20:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 20:53:10 2014 UTC.
[20:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-16-20.00.moin.txt
[20:53] <alpacaherder> And I will get things posted when I get home from campus in an hour or two.  Thank you all for attending this meeting today.
[20:53] <costales> thanks alpacaherder for your IRC support! :))
[20:53] <nhaines> Thank you for charing today, alpacaherder.
[20:53]  * alpacaherder is thankful the Wyse Windows Terminal didn't go kaboom either while talking about Ubuntu!
[20:54] <coolbhavi> sorry my nick got cycled again thanks alpacaherder :)
[20:54] <costales> ;) coolbhavi
[21:00] <Kilos> thanks again guys. night to you all