=== ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube === meetingology` is now known as meetingology === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === debfx_ is now known as debfx [16:00] Since Scott was last week and Pierre is Bon Noeling I guess it's me [16:01] Anyone else around? [16:01] o/ [16:01] o/ [16:01] #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team [16:01] Meeting started Tue Dec 16 16:01:52 2014 UTC. The chair is gnuoy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: [16:01] #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:02] o/ hi gnuoy [16:02] matsubara, looks like you followed up on Bug #1398443 [16:02] bug 1398443 in Ubuntu QA Website "rls-v-tracking missing for Vivid" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398443 [16:02] I don't see any other actions [16:03] #topic Vivid Development === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Vivid Development [16:03] gnuoy, yep, the report is now working. :-) [16:03] o/ [16:03] Is now the point we'd normally look at http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server ? [16:04] oh , no [16:04] * gnuoy reads the script [16:04] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule [16:04] Alpha 1 (for opt-in flavours) on Thurs [16:04] #subtopic Release Bugs [16:04] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server [16:05] o/ \o /o [16:05] There are four bug there which look like they need love [16:06] jamespage, has Bug #1388077 [16:06] bug 1388077 in nova (Ubuntu Vivid) "Parallel periodic instance power state reporting from compute nodes has high impact on conductors and message broker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1388077 [16:07] Bug #1387340 is marked as fixed released [16:07] bug 1387340 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Vivid) "'output' directive not honored (/var/log/cloud-init-output.log missing)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387340 [16:07] * Fix committed [16:07] o/ [16:07] sorry a bit late [16:08] Would scott be the one to shepherd that into Vivid and Utopic / [16:08] ? [16:09] jamespage, coreycb, have you seen Bug #1369294 ? [16:09] bug 1369294 in openvswitch (Ubuntu Vivid) "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 2.0.2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [configure: error: Linux kernel in /lib/modules/XXX/build is version XXX, but version newer than 3.12.x is not supported]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1369294 [16:10] gaughen, should I be trying to get people to grab these bugs? [16:11] gnuoy, I haven't seen it, not sure if james has [16:11] gnuoy, if it's a hot bug yes. [16:11] I also want folks going and answering questions on Ask Ubuntu [16:12] jamespage, you were working on Bug #1382632 , what needs to happen there? [16:12] bug 1382632 in horizon (Ubuntu Vivid) "Insecure key file permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382632 [16:13] actually I think that's a no-op [16:13] for horizon at least [16:13] jamespage, can you update the bug accordingly ? [16:14] We also need to decide on the temperature of Bug #1387340 in smoser absence [16:14] bug 1387340 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Vivid) "'output' directive not honored (/var/log/cloud-init-output.log missing)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387340 [16:15] #action jamespage update Bug #1382632 [16:15] ACTION: jamespage update Bug #1382632 [16:15] bug 1382632 in horizon (Ubuntu Vivid) "Insecure key file permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382632 [16:16] I think Bug #1387340 can wait till post-christmas unless anyone disagrees ? [16:16] bug 1387340 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Vivid) "'output' directive not honored (/var/log/cloud-init-output.log missing)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387340 [16:17] yes [16:18] #action jamespage update Bug #1369294 [16:18] ACTION: jamespage update Bug #1369294 [16:18] bug 1369294 in openvswitch (Ubuntu Vivid) "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 2.0.2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [configure: error: Linux kernel in /lib/modules/XXX/build is version XXX, but version newer than 3.12.x is not supported]" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1369294 [16:18] gnuoy, I've marked that bug as invalid - the fix is in curtin which is inflight [16:18] and that one is also invalid [16:18] done [16:18] ok, let's move on [16:18] agreed [16:18] #subtopic Blueprints [16:18] #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-server.html [16:18] #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-v-server [16:19] insert-blueprint-update-request-here [16:19] anything anyone wants to add here? [16:19] #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou) [16:20] gnuoy: nothing important on my side, thanks [16:20] caribou, ? [16:20] caribou, thanks [16:20] #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa) [16:20] psivaa_, anything from your side? [16:21] #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges) [16:21] Any updates and/or questions for the Kernel Team? [16:21] No updates from the kernel team. Feed us bugs please. [16:21] gnuoy, /me still needs to work with QA team re: psivaa_ moving on to another team [16:22] gnuoy, ie. new qa team rep [16:22] #action beisner work with QA team re: psivaa_ moving on to another team ie. new qa team rep [16:22] ACTION: beisner work with QA team re: psivaa_ moving on to another team ie. new qa team rep [16:22] beisner, ta [16:22] arges, will do, thanks [16:22] #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:23] I guess the holiday season means there are no server related events for the next few weeks [16:23] #topic Open Discussion === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Open Discussion [16:24] #topic Announce next meeting date and time === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Announce next meeting date and time [16:24] Shall we say 2015-01-06 16:00 UTC for the next meeting? [16:25] I think we shall [16:25] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:25] Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 16:25:29 2014 UTC. [16:25] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-16-16.01.moin.txt [16:25] gnuoy: thanks [16:25] My pleasure [17:01] o/ [17:01] \o [17:01] hah.. [17:02] O/ [17:02] someone needs to start the meeting if there is indeed going to be one. [17:02] #startmeeting [17:02] ## [17:02] ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. [17:02] ## [17:02] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:02] Meeting started Tue Dec 16 17:02:32 2014 UTC. The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:02] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Vivid [17:02] # Meeting Etiquette [17:02] # [17:02] # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. [17:02] # 'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized) [17:02] Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting [17:02] o/ [17:02] o/ [17:02] o/ [17:03] o/ [17:03] :1 [17:04] [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) [17:04] Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link: [17:04] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt [17:04] .. [17:04] [TOPIC] Status: Vivid Development Kernel (ogasawara) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: Vivid Development Kernel (ogasawara) [17:04] yeek, already!! [17:04] just a sec === genii is now known as ChristmasPresent [17:05] The master-next branch of our Vivid kernel remains rebased to the [17:05] final v3.18 upstream kernel. We have pushed uploads to our team's PPA [17:05] for preliminary testing. We are still debating on uploading to the [17:05] archive after Alpha1 releases this week. However, we may opt to wait [17:05] until everyone returns from holiday after the new year. [17:05] ----- [17:05] Important upcoming dates: [17:05] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule [17:05] Thurs Dec 18 - Vivid Alpha 1 (~2 days away) [17:05] Fri Jan 9 - 14.04.2 Kernel Freeze (~3 weeks away) [17:05] Thurs Jan 22 - Vivid Alpha 2 (~5 weeks away) [17:05] Thurs Feb 5 - 14.04.2 Point Release (~7 weeks away) [17:05] .. [17:06] [TOPIC] Status: CVE's === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: CVE's [17:06] The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link: [17:06] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html [17:06] .. [17:06] [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Utopic/Trusty/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Utopic/Trusty/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges) [17:06] Status for the main kernels, until today: [17:06] * Lucid - Prep [17:06] * Precise - Prep [17:06] * Trusty - Prep [17:06] * Utopic - Prep === ChristmasPresent is now known as genii [17:06] [17:06] Current opened tracking bugs details: [17:06] * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html [17:06] For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information: [17:06] * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html [17:06] [17:06] [17:06] Schedule: [17:06] [17:06] cycle: 12-Dec through 10-Jan [17:06] ==================================================================== [17:06] 12-Dec Last day for kernel commits for this cycle [17:06] 14-Dec - 20-Dec Kernel prep week. [17:06] 21-Dec - 10-Jan Bug verification; Regression testing; Release [17:06] .. [17:07] [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [17:07] Thanks everyone [17:07] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:07] Meeting ended Tue Dec 16 17:07:47 2014 UTC. [17:07] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-16-17.02.moin.txt [17:07] thanks jsalisbury === genii is now known as ChristmasPresent === ChristmasPresent is now known as genii === genii is now known as ChristmasPresent === ChristmasPresent is now known as genii [18:20] Hello people. [18:22] Evening, Cugel. [19:21] Hey dudes, [19:21] Can I ask who is the head of Ubuntu community council now? [19:21] Just curious :D [19:21] danialbehzadi: This channel is for team meetings. You might get a better response in #ubuntu-irc [19:22] genii: thanks [19:46] evening all [19:47] Hi Kilos [19:48] hi all [19:48] that sounds like an old witch to me :D [19:48] o/ btw [19:48] hehe [19:48] #ubuntu-za is arriving [19:49] ohi [19:49] ooo, I see wendar is here too. [19:50] o/ oh hi everyone [19:50] nlsthzn: your meeting started yet? [19:50] nope [19:50] in ten minutes or so [19:50] council meeting [19:50] * nlsthzn is here to lurk [19:51] oh wow, almost time.. [19:51] danialbehzadi: there is no head of Community Council - but there is one person who's always in it - sabdfl [19:51] elfy: thanks [19:51] slardybartfarl [19:52] elfy, will sabdfl attend? [19:52] everyone else is there because people in the community voted for them - much to my shock at the time :) [19:52] everyone knows democracy works >.> [19:52] :p [19:52] Lionthinker: no idea I'm afraid - no-one from CC is needed anyway - this is LoCo stuff [19:54] jose: I seem to have forgotten my correct NickServ password while on-campus [19:55] good evening everyone [19:55] hello inetpro [19:55] good evening [19:55] hi inetpro [19:56] hi inetpro [19:56] o/ === skellat_ is now known as alpacaherder [19:56] guess it's not really evening for everyone here [19:57] Hi everybody! :) [19:57] hi costales [19:58] Kilos, |o/ [19:58] o/ [19:58] hi all [19:58] \o [19:59] And its not a public holiday for everyone as it is in ZA land [19:59] Evening all. Public holidays are great... except when spent doing home maintenance.... [20:00] hi all, it is evening in NL but a working day [20:00] Good night! [20:00] I'm here on behalf of Ubuntu-NL so if during the meeting you have any questions, feel free to ask me :) [20:00] #startmeeting Regular LoCo Council Meeting for December 2014 [20:00] Meeting started Tue Dec 16 20:00:30 2014 UTC. The chair is alpacaherder. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Regular LoCo Council Meeting for December 2014 | Current topic: [20:00] Good morning/afternoon/evening -- please delete as appropriate [20:00] #topic Opening Business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Regular LoCo Council Meeting for December 2014 | Current topic: Opening Business [20:01] I'm here on behalf of Ubuntu-NL so if during the meeting you have any questions, feel free to ask me :) [20:01] #subtopic Listing of Sitting Members of LoCo Council [20:01] #info Pablo Rubianes, term expiring 2015-04-16 [20:01] #info Marcos Costales, term expiring 2015-04-16 [20:01] #info For the avoidance of uncertainty and doubt, it is necessary to list the members of the council who are presently serving active terms. [20:01] #info Jose Antonio Rey, term expiring 2015-10-04 [20:01] #info Sergio Meneses, term expiring 2015-10-04 [20:01] #info Stephen Michael Kellat, term expiring 2015-10-04 [20:01] #info Bhavani Shankar, term expiring 2016-11-29 [20:01] #info Nathan Haines, term expiring 2016-11-30 [20:02] #subtopic Change in Council Composition [20:02] #info Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph, a member of Community Council, announced the appointments of Bhavani Shankar and Nathan Haines on 2014-12-11. [20:02] #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/12/11/welcome-new-and-returning-members-of-the-ubuntuloco-council/ [20:02] I am reminded to be less formal. [20:02] o/ [20:02] However I do want to ensure that this is included in what is eventually copy/pasted in the blog post. [20:03] meh, hello everyone! [20:03] #subtopic Introductions by Bhavani Shankar and Nathan Haines [20:03] Hi jose ! [20:03] hey jose nhaines [20:03] hi jose [20:03] #chairs nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales [20:03] #chair nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales [20:03] Current chairs: PabloRubianes alpacaherder coolbhavi costales nhaines [20:03] #voters nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales [20:03] Current voters: PabloRubianes alpacaherder coolbhavi costales nhaines [20:03] Bhavani, Nathan, could you please take a moment to introduce yourselves? [20:03] no need to do all that stuff, alpacaherder :) [20:03] Thank you, alpacaherder. :) [20:03] hey theblazehen, coolbhavi and Kilos :) [20:04] My name is Nathan Haines, and I'm an author, instructor, and computer technician who has been using Linux since 1994. I was skeptical when Ubuntu was announced, but once I tried 5.04, I was hooked and I've been an advocate ever since. [20:04] I've been a leader in the Ubuntu California LoCo Team since 2007, held the first Ubucon in 2010 which I coordinated for three years, and hosted one of the first and longest running Ubuntu Hours. I currently also help moderate /r/Ubuntu on reddit. As a longtime contributor to the Ubuntu community through many changes, I look forward to working to represent the LoCo community among the other councils and working with each team when needed. [20:04] jose, :) thanks! [20:05] Welcome to the Council [20:05] I am Bhavani Shankar a sitting member of the LoCo Council from 2012 and a ubuntu contributor from 7 years [20:06] Welcome coolbhavi & nhaines :D Great to have you on board!! [20:06] Okay [20:06] welcome again [20:06] Welcome back coolbhavi and welcome aboard nhaines [20:06] #subtopic Quorum Call [20:07] thanks costales alpacaherder jose :) [20:07] #vote Quorum Call (All Members Present To Vote In Favor To Register Attendance) [20:07] Please vote on: Quorum Call (All Members Present To Vote In Favor To Register Attendance) [20:07] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:07] +1 [20:07] +1 received from alpacaherder [20:07] +1 [20:07] +1 received from nhaines [20:07] +1 [20:07] +1 [20:07] +1 received from costales [20:07] +1 received from coolbhavi [20:07] +1 [20:07] +1 received from PabloRubianes [20:07] +1 [20:08] #voters nhaines alpacaherder coolbhavi PabloRubianes costales jose [20:08] Current voters: PabloRubianes alpacaherder coolbhavi costales jose nhaines [20:08] jose: Try again [20:08] +1 [20:08] +1 received from jose [20:08] * jose gives meetingology a cookie [20:08] No word from Sergio? [20:08] nope [20:08] +1 [20:09] #endvote [20:09] Voting ended on: Quorum Call (All Members Present To Vote In Favor To Register Attendance) [20:09] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [20:09] Motion carried [20:09] #topic Verifications and Re-Verifications === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Regular LoCo Council Meeting for December 2014 | Current topic: Verifications and Re-Verifications [20:09] #subtopic South Africa [20:09] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam [20:09] That's us. [20:09] Who is here to speak for South Africa? [20:09] maiatoday: you? [20:09] There are a few of us, I am the LoCo contact [20:09] \o/ we're up [20:10] Excellent. [20:10] \o/ [20:10] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014 [20:10] here [20:10] Tell us a bit about what is happening with the South Africa community and please speak to your application. [20:10] also me [20:10] My fellow team members prepared the reverificationapplication [20:11] Or LoCo is distributed over a large geographic area [20:11] this means that most of our activities are online [20:11] pockets of people also meet face to face [20:12] We have seen a drop in numbers lately but we have a core group that are maintaining activity [20:12] like Kilos [20:12] If you have specific questions about our re-verification page, the people who prepared the page are here and they can answer [20:13] Tell us what is to the positive and what is to the "needs work" side of things. [20:13] Do any of the ubuntu-za people want to add anything? [20:13] The positive is that we have good communication on the mailing list and in the irc channel. [20:13] we are really supportive of "newbies" and problem seekers [20:14] Anybody who asks questions in irc always gets a friendly welcome [20:14] positive - active mailing lists and IRC channel for support and social... needs work; new blood needed [20:14] so, I only see 1 event on the LTP for 2014, is there a reason why it wasn't that used? [20:14] maiatoday: agreed, friendliest channel I've ever joined [20:14] Needs work - besides launch parties we haven't or are unable to host larger events [20:14] it's been a busy/tough year for me, but I'm sure we can keep things up and many people are still interested to keep things going, we just have to keep it going [20:14] How do you think the activity went down and any specific roadmap for the same? [20:15] also we are very distributed so if you organise an event only a few people are able to attend [20:15] Dwindingly membership is a concern for LoCos that cover a large geographical area. What do you think is the best opportunity to increase interest in LoCo activities? [20:15] +1 on needing new blood. We're finding it hard to maintain the pace as a lot of us have tight work requirements and find it difficult to get around [20:15] Lionthinker: do you think the ability to add virtual events would make you register more events? [20:15] Positive, we have a very wide age range and different people have different problems but each time support is forthcoming [20:16] Jose the problem is internet penetration in SA, right now the bandwidth costs are exhorbitant, but yes it is an option which hasn't really been explored [20:16] jose: Probably. We have an IRC meeting every month, and we could add that to the LTP [20:16] I think the surge of people that where in uni and college with the initial start of ubuntu is now long gone and we need to focus again on education of those areas and high school to get people active again [20:16] superfly: I believe IRC meetings can be added as *meetings* rather than events. but it's a different topic :) [20:16] also the range of support is very broad from basic to in depth [20:16] I think virtual events may help existing Loco members but it may be difficult to get new members like that [20:17] I really like see you working in the SFD! About the Global Jams, were they face to face or online? :) [20:17] I can say that Ubuntu ZA members are active in other platforms, and are proudly Ubuntu supporters. [20:17] Okay, so you've got a broad geographic area that you want to cover with virtual events **but** you also have the problem of limited broadband penetration. What is a ballpark guess for ballpark penetration in-country? [20:17] some of our most active members have migrated to the USA and other places on the globe [20:17] costales: face-to-face, I went to one or two. [20:17] * alpacaherder goes to hunt up some reference sources too [20:17] I went to some face to face Global Jams [20:18] superfly, nice :) [20:18] * superfly even has a package in Ubuntu [20:18] :-P [20:18] * coolbhavi remembers highvoltage as the face of ZA for a long time :) [20:18] i live pretty far away so i followed online [20:18] I like that you have identified shrinking membership as a problem and have analyzed the causes. Sometimes it's easy to lose track of that. [20:19] we have been bad at capturing some of the events... people not blogging or no photos etc >.< [20:19] alpacaherder, per one of the ISP's, it is around 40%. Most people are at work. Not sure how reliable the source is [20:19] alpacaherder, out of 50 million people, cellphone usage is very high, however far fewer are smartphones, most internet done on 3g and then from ADSL it drops to only a few million [20:19] For reference sake we've got a breakdown of where SA stands in terms of hosts here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2184rank.html?countryname=South%20Africa&countrycode=sf®ionCode=afr&rank=23#sf [20:19] http://blog.webafrica.co.za/general/latest-statistics-south-african-internet-penetration/ [20:19] also a alot of internet users in south africa only have online access from a mobile device not a pc, so they are not likely to get involved in ubuntu [20:19] And for usage sake, CIA World Factbook claims this ranking too: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2153rank.html?countryname=South%20Africa&countrycode=sf®ionCode=afr&rank=54#sf [20:20] nlsthzn: that would be a really good thing to work on. Blogging about events and posting photos makes people more likely to attend future events! :) [20:20] maiatoday: That does seem to be a trend across the continent where Internet is tied mostly to 3G/mobile devices [20:20] alpacaherder, I only started getting into Linux and Ubuntu about 2 years ago when I could afford more than a 384k adsl line :) [20:20] captine: I understand [20:20] nhaines, this is true, blogging is something we could prioritise [20:20] I'm at the mercy of mobile connections but at a friend's place tonight [20:20] I still only have 3G [20:21] * nlsthzn has had a blog tied to planet.ubuntu.com for ages but never use it :/ [20:21] nlsthzn, it's OK :) Nice to see you are using the LoCo Portal :D http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/events/history/ [20:21] also only 3g [20:21] working nicely tonight #breathasighofrelief [20:21] To throw an idea out there, would anybody in SA consider making a request on the Community Budget to get a demo phone or two of Ubuntu Touch to show off? [20:21] alpacaherder, I would [20:21] without a doubt [20:21] that would be awesome! [20:21] It sounds like launch parties and DVD distribution can be extra effective there. Poor penetration was one of the reasons that Ubuntu was founded and is limited to only one disc! [20:21] Understandable coming from subcontinent myself reg Internet speeds :) [20:21] Our tech journos would go craxy [20:22] you will have a lot of people asking that one [20:22] alpacaherder: that would be very cool [20:22] oooo, I can get MyBroadband to review it [20:22] nhaines, I have done all the DVD distributions in the past [20:22] That would be something to look at here: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/ [20:22] Tech central, hypertxt africa, there are countless [20:22] the distribution of the ubuntu-dvd's is something that has gone well for us [20:22] I post parcels across the country [20:22] thanks to maiatoday :) [20:22] places that would review it, also there's the whole sabdfl thing in ZA land [20:23] :-) [20:23] the last round went badly though due to post office strikes :( [20:23] thanks maiatoday [20:23] we were sad to hear only LTS's would be posted [20:23] Okay, can you name one priority where we could best assist your community or try to help break down barriers for you? [20:24] maiatoday: Thank you for working on that. I've been in charge of that in California and I know it's a bit of work to get done. Make sure you record those efforts on the wiki somewhere because it's very important, and thanks for your hard work organizing that. :) [20:24] :) pleasure [20:25] alpacaherder, that is a good question and I'm racking my brain. [20:25] I believe the ball is in our court at the moment to get things done and we know the council is there to assist if needed [20:25] It is okay if you don't have anything right now. [20:25] I would say a few new members for the LoCo would be a great help [20:25] nlsthzn, well said [20:25] maiatoday: If you can find me a job down there...have passport will travel :-) [20:26] It sounds like you know the challenges in front of you and that's the important first step. [20:26] alpacaherder: one thing we've wondered before is if there's any way for Ubuntu to be able to "autodetect" the #ubuntu-za IRC channel in XChat [20:26] * nuvolari pledge to attend a meetup in Cape Town in the new year :P [20:26] superfly: That would fall under the localization project I've been playing with...currently no... [20:26] I think a lot of people get Ubuntu, but then don't know where to get help from. [20:27] I'll have to take another look at ubuntu-defaults-builder, though [20:27] alpacaherder, I feel that more people use Ubuntu than are aware of the community surrounding it, for instance we have several organisations who have set up mirrors but that support and usage doesn't reflect in the community. So general disparateness is a problem [20:27] I've had a couple of people I know recently ask me a question or two with regards to using Ubuntu (they installed it independently of me) and they don't know where to find support. [20:27] Lionthinker: could the LoCo reach out to those organizations and just touch base and start a conversation with them? [20:28] * inetpro agrees 100% with Lionthinker and superfly [20:28] nhaines, yes it could [20:28] we could prioritise that and work towards greater cohesion [20:28] I think the lack of connectivity plays a part in that too, because a lot of support is online, and they are unable to come online. So they resort to just Googling and reading tutorials at work, and then trying stuff at home. [20:29] IRC has also become somewhat of a barrier these days with so many different forms of IM around [20:29] ... we need more face to face stuff to help people without broadband [20:29] superfly: Cases like the lack of connectivity in South Africa is why I pushed to get apt-offline seeded on the Xubuntu discs to avoid chicken and the egg problems using it. It is the only flavor that has it on the disc but it helps bridging those gaps. [20:29] inetpro, this is true, I only attend formal meetings on IRC for lack of time [20:30]