[00:13] <diddledan> I think it's time for , your sword is very pointy..
[00:13] <diddledan> err
[00:13] <diddledan> that failed
[00:13] <diddledan> I think it's time for xmas carols: o holy knight, your sword is very pointy..
[00:14] <diddledan> silly windowfreeze as I'm typing!?! grr.
[00:15] <diddledan> who is carol, anyway?
[00:17] <daftykins> you mean, who are they?
[00:17] <daftykins> the carols @_@
[00:17] <diddledan> oh, it's plural? I thought it was possessive
[00:17] <daftykins> well, they move in packs y'see
[00:18] <diddledan> like cigarettes? do they prey on the weak in the same way?
[00:23] <shauno> evening
[00:23] <daftykins> shh mapps might be insulted
[00:23] <daftykins> hey shauno how do?
[00:24] <shauno> all do is at 90% normal :)
[00:24] <diddledan> I don't think we want to know about shauno's doings!
[00:25] <shauno> ;)  just got back from the cinema.  silly me didn't see how long the film was beforehand :/
[00:25] <diddledan> oopsiedoodle
[00:31] <daftykins> shauno: ooh that's a schoolboy error
[00:37] <shauno> seems the latest anti-piracy measure is to make films last longer than your phone's battery :)
[01:01]  * zmoylan-pi clutches nokia feature phone which outlasts seven samurai and blade runner every version released back to back :-)
[01:10] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, yeah but you can't pirate a movie with that - which was shauno 's point methinks
[01:11] <zmoylan-pi> yeah you can, i remember the first time i saw a nokia n95 with the 4gb hard drive.  the guy used wifi to download bittorrents when he was on night shift from nearby wifi ap while phone was in his pocket at work
[01:12] <zmoylan-pi> the rez of any video you shoot would be terrible but i have yet to see a hand cammed movie that wasn't anyway
[01:13] <diddledan> grr, I need moar rams
[01:13] <diddledan> 8GB just doesn't cut it these days
[01:13] <diddledan> one vm and I'm out
[01:14] <shauno> diddledan: http://www.downloadmoreram.com
[01:14]  * zmoylan-pi is still using 1gb netbook as main system with rasppi 512mb for extra tasks
[01:15] <zmoylan-pi> though i am thinking of replacing it with a chromebook with 2gb and beefier processor
[01:16] <diddledan> I need multiple vms tho
[01:17] <diddledan> because moar operating systems is obviously better
[01:17] <daftykins> ^
[01:17] <zmoylan-pi> i could have a dozen rasp pis each with a different os on it :-)
[01:18]  * diddledan clicks to download 4GB
[01:18] <zmoylan-pi> and that would /only/ be 6gb :-)
[01:19] <diddledan> if MB is mega bytes and mb is milibits. and GB is gigabytes, then gb = girly bits?
[01:20] <daftykins> thing is 2 x 0 = 0
[01:20] <daftykins> so moar pis != better :(
[01:21]  * zmoylan-pi tells my pi to ignore the rude man :-P
[01:21] <daftykins> XD
[01:21] <diddledan> tasty pi
[01:21] <daftykins> i nearly bought a pair o' scotch eggs the other day, maybe i should have
[01:22] <diddledan> two balls coated in breadcrumbs?
[01:22] <daftykins> eggy balls!
[01:22] <diddledan> with the elf-fart inside
[01:22] <daftykins> which oddly enough is very similar to the name of my old head teacher
[01:22] <daftykins> wat
[01:23] <daftykins> ok i'm going to sleep
[01:24] <zmoylan-pi> snow plows.... pfft.... http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/888054-7.jpg?w=600&h=708
[01:24] <daftykins> if anyone dreams of scotch eggs, blame me
[01:24] <diddledan> daftykins, elf farts!
[01:25] <daftykins> what do you meeeeeeeean sir?
[01:25] <diddledan> stingy eggy elf-fart smell
[01:25] <diddledan> stinky*
[01:25] <daftykins> diddledan: are you headed anywhere near a marks and spencers with a food hall, tomorrow?
[01:25] <daftykins> or rather, today
[01:26] <diddledan> nope
[01:26] <daftykins> ok well fix that and buy some scotch eggs
[01:26] <diddledan> lol
[01:26] <daftykins> then we shall compare notes tonight!
[01:28] <daftykins> gonna have to get some supplies in soon, to survive the festive period
[01:29] <daftykins> nn all \o
[03:59] <mapp> hi all
[03:59] <mapp> night owls
[04:40] <mapp> hmm no daftykins  and no zmoylan-pi
[04:40] <mapp> odd
[05:10] <zmoylan-pi> just attention is elsewhere
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: https://twitter.com/ProfMike_M/status/544777007754907648
[09:58] <davmor2> Morning Geeks  how's life treating you all
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> Sysadmin week at work
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> not fun :)
[09:59] <bashrc> fun
[09:59] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I don't believe you if you hated the job you would do something different :P
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: well normally I code
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> but every 2 months I get to do a sprint of sysadmining instead
[10:01] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: nice
[10:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Covered Anything Day! :-D
[10:08] <bashrc> chocolate covered anything?
[10:09] <foobarry> chocolate covered chocolate
[10:09] <foobarry> minstrels...mmm
[10:09] <foobarry> sysadmining is good for you
[10:09] <awilkins> http://a.tgcdn.net/images/products/additional/large/177a_chocolate_covered_edible_bugs_gift_pack_scorpions.jpg
[10:10] <awilkins> http://www.snomedbrowser.com/Codes/Details/229880004
[10:12] <awilkins> Hey, MartijnVdS, could you reset my password?
[10:12]  * awilkins scuttles away
[10:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:15] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Stop making me hungry
[10:15] <awilkins> http://www.snomedbrowser.com/Codes/Details/227028002 << It's what's for Christmas dinner this year
[10:16]  * davmor2 covers JamesTait in chocolate and hands him to his wife, she looks so happy :)
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: You plan to have "substance" for your Saturnalia feast?
[10:17] <JamesTait> davmor2, it'd better be white chocolate then, or at least definitely not dark chocolate.
[10:17]  * TwistedLucidity is easily confused
[10:18] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, the (substance) part is just how SNOMED CT deals with things
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I figured, but it kinda puts one off their dinner? "What are you having?" "Roast substance with boiled substance and mashes substance as a side. For afters we're having frozen substance"
[10:29] <foobarry> anyone had experience using xrdp in production environment? particularly using session resume
[10:30] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, the internet is broken
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[10:36]  * foobarry shoots MartijnVdS 
[10:37]  * MartijnVdS slows down time, sidesteps the bullet
[10:37] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, google told me to delete c:\windows\system32 but now the internet still doesn't work
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: did you do it while waving a chicken over a pentagram?
[10:38] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, should I format my processor?
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes
[10:39] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, will that fix the internet?
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: definitely.
[10:40] <diddledan> coolbeans
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: make sure you first purge it by heating it to boiling
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: some boiling water from a kettle should do fine.
[10:41] <DJones> The internet is offline since piratebay's server were taken down
[10:41] <davmor2> diddledan: you almost sound like my mom then
[10:42] <DJones> If torrent sites, facebook and snapchat were all offline at the sametime, most under 16's wouldn't know what else to do on the internet
[10:42] <diddledan> davmor2, does she search for google in google to get to google so she can search?
[10:43] <davmor2> DJones: yes they would that's what minecraft is for :P
[10:43] <DJones> davmor2: True, there is that
[10:44] <davmor2> diddledan: no she isn't that bad, but she'll ring up and say "The thingy I open to listen to radio 4 doesn't work, What have I done?"
[10:45] <diddledan> oh at least she knows it's her fault :-)
[10:45] <diddledan> :-p
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> woo. I may be buying this: http://www.funda.nl/koop/alphen-aan-den-rijn/parkeergelegenheid-48125778-saffierstraat-32-a/
[10:47] <davmor2> diddledan: She always blames herself even when it isn't,  I had to do a fresh install of window7 for her.  2 days later nothing opened. She knows a computer tech guy locally so gave it to him, he rang me asked me what I had done so I told him, He said I've no idea what is happening then I can't install anything, remove anything or modify anything
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> you mean.. the local tech was clueless?\
[10:48] <diddledan> he probably wasn't using an admin account
[10:48] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no, he had no idea about how it had gotten so broken so quickly
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: windows asks for an admin user's password (like Ubuntu does; UAC is just like sudo somehow :P) in that case
[10:49] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, sweet, a garagebox onder appartementencomplex!!
[10:50] <davmor2> MartijnVdS, diddledan: Yeah I think he is setting it so she can't install stuff :)  that'll make her happy :D
[10:50] <diddledan> not only that, but met kanteldeur en loopdeur!
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes! I already live in that building so.. :)
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes. I think you can translate those :P
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: (deur = door; loop = to walk; kantel = swivel/rotate)
[10:53] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, there's a link on the top-right to go to the english version - much more helpful. now it reads "garagebox onder appartementcomplex met kanteldeur en loopdeur"
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: oh wow. That's a good translation!
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> ...
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: google translate knows what to do with it though
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> almost
[12:48] <foobarry> didn't know you could tag people in photos on twitter
[12:48] <foobarry> still not really sure how it works
[12:50] <foobarry> entered a competition where you were supposed to tag the company in a photo. i was literally the only person on the internet who did it properly. but i bet they will change the rules to include others...
[12:57] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:15] <daftykins> diddledan: it is scotch egg day!
[15:17] <davmor2> daftykins: no cover stuff in chocolate day
[15:17] <daftykins> :O
[15:18] <davmor2> daftykins: <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Covered Anything Day! :-D
[15:19] <daftykins> hmmm
[15:19] <davmor2> daftykins: and JamesTait is the official ircbot for what day it is :)
[15:20] <daftykins> er what, i thought it was just a guy with an unhealthy fixation on what day it is
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> IRC bot appreciation day?
[15:21] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I always appreciate JamesTait 's dedication to his morning greeting and the fact that it always puts a little smile on my face, especially the days that sound a little odd :)
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> :)
[15:28] <shauno> these may not be mutually exclusive ;)
[15:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: by the way I'll be checking my logs for your greetings each morning to see what day it is during the holidays so don't think you get off that lightly ;)
[15:35] <shauno> if you need to be told it's christmas, you're as bad as I am :)
[15:38] <davmor2> shauno: it's Christmas?  Man I think your calendar is little out
[15:38] <davmor2> shauno: that's days away yet
[15:38] <shauno> right, your statement seemed to imply the future tense
[15:39] <davmor2> shauno: :)
[15:40] <shauno> I got boring.  I used to look forward to christmas.  now I'm looking forward to it being over
[15:44] <davmor2> shauno: do you get excited at snow if you say no understand we have to lock you away in a padded room, it'll be for your own good
[15:45] <shauno> ah I have extenuating circumstances there.  5 years in michigan beat that one out of me
[15:45] <shauno> where it'd start snowing in november and stop in april-may
[15:46]  * davmor2 starts dialing the number hello is that the men in white coats
[15:48] <shauno> surely the sanitarium is equal opportunities by now?
[15:49] <davmor2> shauno: not for snow haters ;)
[15:50] <shauno> I should send you to shovel my mother's driveway for 5 months
[15:51] <shauno> imagine if siberian work camps had walmarts.  you'd be pretty close.
[15:51] <davmor2> shauno: most nurses are still female fullstop to be honest.  However most porters are male and they tend to do the fetching and carrying :)
[15:51] <davmor2> shauno: I'd of built a flame thrower end of problem ;)
[15:52] <shauno> now you have an ice-slick :)
[15:52] <shauno> (although I have seen a home-made zambonii that came terrifyingly close to this description)
[15:53] <davmor2> shauno: hahaha
[17:20] <awilkins> Best way to install Skype for 14.10?
[17:20] <bashrc_> Aren't there other webRTP options now
[17:21] <awilkins> WebRTC is all very well
[17:21] <awilkins> But you can't replace network effects
[17:21] <bashrc_> you can just say "use this web site" though
[17:22] <awilkins> Yes, but if someone uses Skype as their main IM, that's the easiest way to say it to them..
[17:22] <awilkins> Tried http://appear.in
[17:22] <awilkins> Works very nicely on Chrom(e|ium) as long as you have a webcam
[17:22] <awilkins> If you don't, it's broken
[17:22] <awilkins> The screensharing only works in Chrom(e|ium) - I don't care about the video support
[17:23] <awilkins> THere's Firefox Hello
[17:23] <awilkins> Which is apparently only available at random
[17:24] <awilkins> Because it's on my desktop upstairs but not here on my laptop (both running Firefox 34.0)
[17:25] <awilkins> This is by design, so as not to overwhelm their server
[17:25] <awilkins> So, a chat platform which by definition, is not universally available
[17:25] <awilkins> Our company owns Zoom.us
[17:26] <awilkins> So we kinda have to use that
[17:26] <awilkins> WHich is a shame because it only works on Windows and Mac
[17:26] <bashrc> well if you own it you can always port it
[17:29] <awilkins> You assume that things in corporateland make sense
[17:30] <daftykins> XD
[17:30] <awilkins> I have no idea why anyone would be doing anything that didn't support WebRTC now TBH
[17:30] <awilkins> EVen GotoMeeting wised up
[17:30] <awilkins> WebEx was the only thing that worked cross platform that I used
[17:31] <awilkins> And even then you had to fart around making a special 32-bit environment for it if you wanted it to work properly on Linux
[17:31] <awilkins> And by "properly" I'm not sure the VoIP worked but we used POTS anyway for that part
[17:32] <bashrc> what about jitsi videobridge?
[17:32] <bashrc> looks like Google hangouts
[17:32] <awilkins> Don't care about video, just screensharing
[17:33] <awilkins> TBH would prefer something like Wave
[17:33] <bashrc> :)
[17:33] <awilkins> Screen sharing, mutual document editing, and voice
[17:33] <awilkins> That's what you need
[17:33] <awilkins> Screw video
[17:33] <awilkins> Video is for suits
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> we could repurpose all those abandoned fax machines... :-P
[17:33] <awilkins> And grandma
[17:35] <awilkins> GotoMeeting didn't work on Linux, WebEx just about did
[17:35] <awilkins> appear.in works, but it's broken if you don't have a webcam it seems
[17:35] <awilkins> Or it works on 14.10 but not 14.04
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> they've been inventing video phones since at least the 1930s and it still hasn't caught on
[17:36] <awilkins> Facetime
[17:36] <awilkins> People love that
[17:36] <awilkins> Because it just works
[17:37] <awilkins> And iOS has enough network effect to mean it works for enough of the people enough of the time
[17:37] <zmoylan-pi> from one apple narciscist to another apple narciscist, of course THEY'D love it :-)
[17:37] <awilkins> WebRTC has the potential to be the Facetime for Everyone, I agree
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> at least till one company gets dominance and then spins off a non standard version
[17:40] <awilkins> Someone hello me : https://hello.firefox.com/c/TIvGHgstTpU
[17:54] <marxjohnson> popey: (or anyone else), any idea what's up with the webserver? I tried restarting lighttpd but no joy
[17:56] <PaulW2U> marxjohnson: It's been down for nearly two days now I think
[17:57] <marxjohnson> PaulW2U: curses.
[17:59] <marxjohnson> ah, it's back!
[18:02] <ali1234> "the" webserver?
[18:04] <marxjohnson> ali1234: the ubuntu-uk.org server
[18:06] <PaulW2U> I can ping the server but my browser won't fetch any web pages ;(
[18:07] <marxjohnson> hmm yeah stopped working again for me too
[18:11] <diddledan> marxjohnson, port 80 connects but it seems to not return any response once a request is passed
[18:11] <diddledan> possibly a php issue?
[18:16] <marxjohnson> diddledan: looks like it, just reqested a static file and it loaded instantly
[18:16] <diddledan> marxjohnson, is it running php-fpm? if so try restarting that
[18:20] <diddledan> it does actually load if you give it long enough - is the system maybe io-bound via swap or some other mechanism?
[18:21] <ali1234> check all the things
[18:22]  * diddledan checks ali1234 's oil
[18:22] <ali1234> i just tried out jitsi and firefox hello
[18:22] <ali1234> jitsi is now better than google hangouts
[18:22] <ali1234> screensharing actually works, and works well
[18:23] <ali1234> firefox hello is like something that was made by two interns in a day
[18:23] <ali1234> it's slow and crashes constantly
[18:23] <ali1234> and lacks screensharing and conference calling
[18:24] <ali1234> also it doesn't actually work properly in firefox, but works okay in chrome
[18:24] <diddledan> lol
[18:24] <ali1234> basically don't touch hello, use jitsi even if you don't normally use chrome
[18:25] <ali1234> and complain to every firefox developer you know about their lack of multistream support
[18:39] <ali1234> i wonder if you could make a jitsi webapp for ubuntu
[18:44] <popey> marxjohnson: it's php5-cgi
[18:44] <popey> marxjohnson: i usually end up killing all the php5 processes, mysql and lighttpd
[18:45] <ali1234> shouldn't you... figure out why it is doing what it is doing?
[18:45] <popey> sure, when someone has the time to do that
[18:45] <popey> php ☹
[18:45] <ali1234> why are you using CGI instead of WSGI?
[18:46] <popey> pass
[18:47] <ali1234> oh wait you are using lighttpd?
[18:47] <ali1234> that's probably why then
[18:47] <popey> i just shutdown lighttpd and started apache
[18:47] <popey> site is up again
[18:48] <ali1234> prefork or worker?
[18:49] <popey> prefork
[18:49] <ali1234> what is your MaxRequestsPerChild?
[18:53] <popey> 2000!
[18:53] <ali1234> that should be okay
[20:19] <popey> bah, apache now OOMed the ubuntu-uk server
[20:20] <daftykins> :o
[20:20] <ali1234> >_<
[20:33] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9543665/
[20:34] <daftykins> that looks like a lorra workers?
[20:41] <diddledan> so gmail. what do folk like in terms of accessing it - do you only use the web interface? or thunderbirds are go? or ricer it up with mutt?
[20:42] <popey> i only use the web really
[20:42] <daftykins> on my PCs i use the web in chrome pretty much dedicated
[20:42] <daftykins> then browse solely with firefox so that stuff i do doesn't get attached to my account (via sites being logged in etc)
[20:42] <daftykins> never seen any downtime since the invite-only days :)
[20:43] <diddledan> yeah chrome does thend to my goto for most things these days
[20:43] <daftykins> well i just run it in there so that it's not-FF
[20:43] <daftykins> i don't personally get why everyone is flocking to chrome as if it's the second coming
[20:43] <diddledan> I just get fed up with chrome eating half my system rams
[20:43] <daftykins> hehe
[20:44] <daftykins> diddledan: scotch eggs were out of stock =|
[20:44] <diddledan> :-o
[20:44] <diddledan> disaster
[20:44] <daftykins> i know, i had to get some jam doughnuts instead
[20:44] <popey> almost time for creme eggs
[20:44] <daftykins> \o/
[20:44] <diddledan> popey, now you're talking!
[20:44] <diddledan> <3 creme eggies
[20:45] <diddledan> they don't last long when I'm around tho
[20:45] <diddledan> a box of 6 disappears in an afternoon
[20:46] <daftykins> same here
[20:47] <daftykins> i think smaller boxes work out cheaper oddly, a supermarket lad hinted to me once
[20:49] <shauno> random tip - never buy creme eggs in the states.  they'll break your heart.
[20:50] <daftykins> ruined, is it?
[20:51] <shauno> as far as I'm concerned, "made under licence" may as well be the Mark of the Beast.
[20:53] <shauno> I must have looked like a proper nutter examining the foils to find the ones made by Cadbury Canada instead of Hersheys
[20:56] <daftykins> :D
[20:56] <daftykins> y'seen that film where they get some guy go in trying to find the perfect egg packet 0o
[20:56] <daftykins> hmm i can't remember which that is now
[20:59] <diddledan> shauno, hersheys make chocolate in a manner that causes the end product to contain lactic acid - hence why it tastes of spew
[20:59] <diddledan> shauno, I feel your pain
[20:59] <daftykins> hmm, a friend claimed they used sour milk
[20:59] <daftykins> *use
[20:59] <ali1234> popey: yeah, too many forks
[21:00] <shauno> I always figured they used parafin instead of milk.  completely improbable, yet explains everything
[21:01] <ali1234> popey: reduce/tweak MaxClients and the other parameters http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mpm_common.html
[21:01] <popey> yeah, fiddling now and testing, thanks.
[21:02] <popey> monitoring the memory usage...
[21:03] <diddledan> daftykins, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershey_bar suggests similarly
[21:04] <ali1234> popey: check out mod_status, it tells you exactly what each worker is doing
[21:04] <ali1234> takes a little bit of set up though and it exposes the status via http like this: http://www.apache.org/server-status
[21:05] <popey> will do if my current fiddles don't yield results
[21:18] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Charging-Adapter-VL812-B2-Chipset-Firmware-Black/dp/B005NGQWL2
[21:18]  * popey adds to wishlist
[21:21] <daftykins> does this seem normal memory usage for a VM that does nothing beyond run irssi in screen? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/9544104/
[21:24] <daftykins> not long left now and i'll have to retire those 10.04 VMs
[21:26] <popey> [136125681.363245] Out of memory: Kill process 29058 (apache2) score 49 or sacrifice child
[21:26] <popey> [136125681.363261] Killed process 29058 (apache2) total-vm:78416kB, anon-rss:11408kB, file-rss:0kB
[21:26] <popey> bah
[21:27] <shauno> daftykins: is that ubuntu?
[21:29] <daftykins> shauno: yep 10.04.4 server :>
[21:30] <shauno> mine is http://paste.ubuntu.com/9544178/
[21:31] <daftykins> what do you run on there?
[21:31] <shauno> that's it.  screen+irssi
[21:31] <daftykins> that's a little bit concerning
[21:32] <shauno> why?
[21:32] <daftykins> i did notice i still had fail2ban installed, despite not being externally SSH'able, so i just purged that
[21:32] <daftykins> well, why would mine be so chubby and yours not? :D
[21:32] <daftykins> heh just read the second part of your paste now *facepalm*
[21:33] <diddledan> daftykins, chocolate
[21:34] <daftykins> huh?
[21:34] <ali1234> aftre buffers and cache you are using like 20mb
[21:35] <ali1234> 8mb of that is irssi
[21:36] <ali1234> that's probably just the scrollback buffer
[21:37] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9544205/
[21:37] <daftykins> 88MB cache, guess so!
[21:38] <shauno> much more readable :)
[21:38] <daftykins> have you modded much on yours of the default packages to have far less from pstree?
[21:39] <shauno> yeah, I tend to kill things I see no use for
[21:39] <daftykins> ah
[21:39] <shauno> it's petty, but I like a short process list.  makes it easier to spot strangers
[21:39] <daftykins> *nod* makes sense
[21:39] <daftykins> i run Windows the same way
[21:40] <shauno> (eg, running 6 gettys on VM where they're impossible to access.  hardly impacts anything, just looks ugly imho)
[21:41] <daftykins> that's very true
[21:41] <daftykins> if i knew more i'm sure i'd give it a trim too :D
[21:41] <shauno> I won't go so far as to claim it's a good idea though.  just personal preference
[21:44] <shauno> and my ufw rules only allow 2 subnets to ssh, so fail2ban becomes pointless
[21:44] <daftykins> :>
[21:55] <popey> ali1234: ok, got server-status working, anything in particular to look for? ☻
[21:56] <ali1234> well just check if you have loads of idle workers all the time
[21:56] <ali1234> if so reduce then number
[21:56] <ali1234> then it won't run out of memory?
[21:56] <ali1234> but if you have loads in use then look at what they are doing
[21:56] <popey> http://static.podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/server-status
[21:57] <ali1234> i don't have permission to look at that
[21:57] <popey> oh of course.
[21:57] <popey> 2-0117080/8/8_ 2.55721120.00.280.28 94.23.248.168ubuntu-uk.orgPOST /xmlrpc.php HTTP/1.0
[21:57] <popey> that looks dodgy
[21:57] <ali1234> exploits...
[21:57] <popey> poking for them, yeah
[21:57] <ali1234> the question you have to ask is how many workers and how much memory do they use each?
[21:58] <popey> 2 requests currently being processed, 8 idle workers
[21:58] <ali1234> number of workers at startup is not the same as the absolute max
[21:58] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9544293/
[21:59] <ali1234> so 16 is the max
[21:59] <ali1234> now hammer the website and watch what happens
[22:00] <ali1234> wait no
[22:00] <ali1234> 256 is the max
[22:01] <ali1234> yeah that's too much for a small vps
[22:02] <popey> ah
[22:02] <popey> where's that set?
[22:02] <ali1234> MaxClients
[22:03] <popey> its set to 50
[22:03] <popey> in apache2.conf
[22:03] <ali1234> that's probably still too much for prefork on a small VPS. how much ram do you have?
[22:04] <popey> 460MB
[22:04] <ali1234> you probably can't have more than 20 apache processes running at once then
[22:05] <popey> k
[22:05]  * popey tries 20
[22:07] <ali1234> you really need some kind of "high water mark" for memory usage
[22:08] <ali1234> if it still runs out of memory after this, then reduce MaxRequestsPerChild to like 100
[22:08] <m0nkey_> anyone had issue with ttf-mscorefonts-installer today? it's only downloading andale32 for me.
[22:17] <m0nkey_> crappy sourceforge
[22:17] <m0nkey_> returning error 500