[05:56] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[06:12] <not_found> 0/
[06:16] <Kilos> hi there not_found 
[06:16] <Kilos> fix something
[06:17] <Kilos> inetpro: cremora
[06:26] <not_found> if something isn't broken no need to fix
[06:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:29] <magespawn> good morning
[06:29] <Kilos> lol not_found win always needs fixing
[06:30] <magespawn> how are things Kilos?
[06:30] <Kilos> good ty magespawn and you?
[06:32] <magespawn> very good thank you
[06:32] <magespawn> i am busy learning how to use irssi
[06:33] <Kilos> haha i looked long ago but was too much for me
[06:34] <magespawn> that is what i am connected through now
[06:34] <Kilos> iirc it didnt make bloeps and was ugly
[06:35] <magespawn> yes but you can do lots of other things all the same time
[06:37] <Kilos> i get lost when i try do lots of things but just installed it and will look again
[06:38] <magespawn> i would imagine that it is very system light
[06:40] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:40] <Kilos> i got it running but it didnt even ask what server or anything
[06:41] <Kilos> i need a spoon feeding client
[06:41] <Kilos> you on win though hey magespawn ?
[06:41] <magespawn> persistance
[06:42] <Kilos> lol
[06:43] <magespawn> i just ran /connect irc.freenode.com
[06:43] <magespawn> and then /join #ubuntu-za
[06:43] <Kilos> oh not chat.freenode.net
[06:44] <Kilos> oh my there it goes. and it bloeps all the time
[06:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:45] <miles_> it works
[06:46] <not_found> well, I have had much less to do now on Windows then when I was on Linux to be honest.  I am really taxing this box too with all the crap I am running (not to mention games etc).
[06:46] <Kilos> lol as long as you enjoy yourself thats fine not_found 
[06:48] <Kilos> i go take sheep out
[06:54] <Kilos> oh my. it bloeps every 15 secs even without peeps saying anything
[06:56] <magespawn> there must be a setting for that
[06:56] <Kilos> ya found it
[06:57] <Kilos> killed it but now i get activity in session shell popups
[06:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:58] <magespawn> i am not getting any of that yet
[06:59] <Kilos> i killed it
[06:59] <Kilos> so far konversation is the best
[07:00] <Kilos> only it loses highlighted messages on restart so hard to scroll back
[07:01] <Kilos> weechat was better than irssi methinks
[07:01] <Kilos> easier
[07:03] <Kilos> magespawn: go see my pretty http://picpaste.com/pretty-qjF9fd4r.png
[07:04] <Kilos> stole that from elementaryos
[07:05] <magespawn> that looks very cool Kilos
[07:06] <Kilos> i love it
[07:08] <magespawn> cool setup
[07:13] <Kilos> 14.04 kde is unbreakable
[07:14] <Kilos> hows work magespawn ?
[07:14] <Kilos> hard away from family all the time hey
[07:15] <magespawn> not at work today
[07:16] <magespawn> so i am enjoying the time off
[07:17] <Kilos> nice
[07:17] <Kilos> dont enjoy yourself so much that you are too tired for tonights meeting
[07:18] <Kilos> you as well not_found 
[07:18] <Kilos> its gonna be late for you
[07:18] <not_found> very late >.<
[07:18] <Kilos> ya try get some early shuteye
[07:19] <magespawn> ahh yes, thanks Kilos, i had forgotten about that
[07:19] <not_found> eek
[07:19] <Kilos> join us at our 21.40 about
[07:19] <not_found> don't forget pls
[07:19] <magespawn> won't now
[07:19] <Kilos> i have no idea where the pro is
[07:20] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[07:20] <Kilos> Maaz: seen inetpro 
[07:20] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 4 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes and 34 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-11 10:32:45 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-12-10 11:11:30 PST
[07:20] <Kilos> shoulda said ping dammit
[08:14] <magespawn> i thought you did
[08:15] <Kilos> haha
[08:16] <Kilos> i think he has gone on leave to natal after not even telling anyone
[08:16] <Kilos> again
[08:16] <Kilos> well i hope so
[08:17] <Kilos> then he is ok and i can rev him when he comes back
[08:17] <magespawn> maybe we can find him here lol
[08:17] <magespawn> put the word out 
[08:18] <Kilos> he goes to northern natal
[08:18] <Kilos> piet retief or paul piet or near one of them
[08:20] <magespawn> just up the road from me then
[08:22] <magespawn> i'll just pop in irritate him a bit then leave
[08:23] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:24] <Kilos> hje does this every year then comes back and says sorry
[08:24] <Kilos> the twit
[08:30] <magespawn> maybe send a message on g+
[08:30] <magespawn> he should still get those
[08:38] <Kilos> he can do irc on his cell
[08:38] <Kilos> i sukkel with g+
[08:40] <Kilos> and it eats data with all the stuff peeps put on there
[08:43] <magespawn> email?
[08:46] <Kilos> he doesnt even read important mails
[08:46] <Kilos> haha
[08:47] <Kilos> if you send him a mail he needs to read you first have to tell him here
[08:54] <Kilos> he installed ubuntu on a family pc there last year, and came here for help with unity
[08:54] <magespawn> lol
[08:55] <Kilos> who knows, maybe an upgrade will get him here again
[08:55] <Kilos> hehe
[09:01] <Kilos> maybe we chose a bad time to do the re-verification thing
[09:05] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:06] <inetpro> Kilos: wta is fout?
[09:06] <inetpro> wat*
[09:06] <Kilos> inetpro: wb
[09:06] <Kilos> where are you hiding
[09:06]  * inetpro was gone?
[09:06] <Kilos> yip
[09:07] <inetpro> give him a break man
[09:07] <inetpro> was just taking some fresh air outside 
[09:07] <Kilos>  inetpro was last seen 4 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes and 34 seconds ago
[09:07] <Kilos> where are you?
[09:07] <inetpro> does it matter
[09:07] <Kilos> yes
[09:07]  * inetpro can't tell you all his secrets
[09:08] <Kilos> rofl
[09:08] <Kilos> not all man just this one
[09:08] <inetpro> haha
[09:08] <not_found> who has posting access on G+ cause I don't :p
[09:08] <Kilos> inetpro: 
[09:09] <Kilos> inetpro: please do the g+ thing for tonights meet
[09:09] <Kilos> and will you be here
[09:09] <inetpro> hmm... hope to be here yes
[09:09] <Kilos> actually here not just your quassel thing
[09:09] <Kilos> and we await your testimonial
[09:09] <inetpro> what time did you guys say?
[09:10] <Kilos> we didnt decide. you got the tweet didnt you
[09:10] <inetpro> uh?
[09:10] <Kilos> i think i said anytime after 9pm
[09:10] <theblazehen> Kilos: ya you did
[09:10] <Kilos> then just before 10 pm we go #ubuntu-meeting
[09:11] <Kilos> what time did i say theblazehen ?
[09:12] <Kilos> magespawn: you see the sneak
[09:14] <Kilos> then he sits and chuckles to himself 
[09:15] <Kilos> dankie boetie
[09:15] <not_found> \o/
[09:15] <inetpro> hoping that eskom will keep the lights for all of us during this time
[09:16] <inetpro> lights on*
[09:17] <inetpro> looks like they lost 4 big generators again
[09:19] <Kilos> they said they will
[09:19] <inetpro> who is they?
[09:19] <Kilos> that waseskom
[09:19] <Kilos> eskom too
[09:19] <Kilos> on tv newqs
[09:19] <Kilos> ai!
[09:20] <Kilos> news
[09:20] <inetpro> what did they say?
[09:20] <Kilos> they said they hope to be able to keep power on till 15 jan
[09:20] <Kilos> hope is the key methinks
[09:23] <inetpro> @Eskom_MediaDesk: Eskom lost 4 power generating units this morning, increasing the risk of loadshedding. Please switch off all non-essential appliances. 9:49 AM - 16 Dec 2014
[09:24] <Kilos> eish
[09:24] <Kilos> something fishy here
[09:24] <Kilos> those gennies only packup if not lubricated or no fuel supplied
[09:28] <theblazehen> Kilos: after 9 I think
[09:28] <Kilos> ah ty theblazehen 
[09:40] <not_found> k, my last little bit of housekeeping on the verification wiki page is done...
[09:40] <not_found> now we wait for tonight
[09:42] <Kilos> you forgot to tell them to meet here not_found 
[09:42] <Kilos> np but
[09:43] <Kilos> those that have any interest will arrive regardless
[09:44] <Kilos> ty for that
[09:46] <magespawn> wow, where did they lose them this time inetpro? or di they just not say
[09:47] <Kilos> haha
[09:48] <Kilos> if they are lost they are lost, how can they explain where they lost them
[09:49] <inetpro> good question magespawn, let's hope they can bring them online again asap
[09:53] <magespawn> i assume by 'lost' they mean broken 
[09:54] <magespawn> or otherwise non functional
[09:54] <Kilos> ya stopped turning
[09:56] <magespawn> funny how that affects a turbines/generators ability to make electricity
[09:58] <Kilos> lol
[10:00] <Kilos> hi Private_User you joining us tonight hey
[10:00] <magespawn> does anyone know if there is some port etc of irssi for android?
[10:01] <Kilos> thats an idea
[10:01] <Kilos> theblazehen: how do you irc on the cell
[10:02] <theblazehen> Kilos: I also use wuassel
[10:02] <theblazehen> Quassel*
[10:02] <theblazehen> magespawn: Google irssi connectbot
[10:02] <theblazehen> Might do what you want
[10:02] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[10:02] <magespawn> i have connectbot
[10:02] <Private_User> tonight?
[10:02] <Kilos> yip tonight
[10:03] <Private_User> oh is there a meeting tonight?
[10:03] <Private_User> ok yeah I will try
[10:03] <Kilos> our most important meeting in 2 years
[10:04] <Kilos> we gotta see if they still accept us as an official loco
[10:04] <not_found> they will ;)
[10:04] <magespawn> loco reverification
[10:04] <not_found> this is a formality only I am sure
[10:04] <Kilos> we did very min in the last year not_found 
[10:05] <not_found> still all the requirements are met afaik
[10:05] <theblazehen> not_found: got a link to requirements?
[10:05] <magespawn> i have a bit of a look around last time, we are about half way up the activity scale for loco's
[10:06] <not_found> one moment theblazehen 
[10:06] <not_found> this should be the one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines
[10:06] <not_found> theblazehen, ^^
[10:07] <Private_User> ah yes reverification, ok I will try to be there
[10:09] <theblazehen> not_found: ty
[10:12] <magespawn> i have to go out for a bit, i will be back later before the meeting
[10:13] <Kilos> cool
[10:13] <Kilos> go safe
[10:15] <magespawn> exit
[11:14] <Kilos-> ai!
[13:06] <Kilos-> hmm...
[15:32] <Kilos-> wb magespawn nlsthzn 
[15:32] <Kilos-> hiya maiatoday  hows our lady?
[15:32] <Kilos-> hi cantide
[15:32] <maiatoday> hi Kilos, fine thanks, just making sure my irc client works for tonight
[15:33] <Kilos-> yay it does
[15:33] <Kilos-> if we got power that is
[15:49] <Cantide> hi :p
[15:49] <Cantide> but it's nearly 1 am
[15:49] <Cantide> so i gotta sleep soonish -.-
[15:51] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[15:51] <magespawn> hi Cantide
[15:51] <magespawn> hi maiatoday 
[15:51] <Cantide> hello :)
[15:53] <magespawn> the meeting starts at 21:00 our time right?
[16:00] <Kilos-> ya magespawn kinda
[16:00] <Kilos-> then we just check everything is good for the 22.00 main meet
[16:02] <magespawn> ahh right, cool beans
[16:03] <magespawn> they all onr England summer time
[16:03] <Kilos-> ?
[16:03] <magespawn> two hours behind us, so 20:00 their time
[16:04] <Kilos-> aha
[16:04] <magespawn> 22:00 is an odd time for a meeting, bit late for us
[16:04] <Kilos-> where did you see the list with activity places
[16:06] <Kilos-> and do they say why the less active
[16:07] <magespawn> you mean our activity?
[16:07] <Kilos-> all those below us
[16:08] <Kilos-> you said we half way down the list
[16:08] <magespawn> that was just my impression from looking through what i saw on the other teams sites
[16:09] <Kilos-> ah
[16:09] <magespawn> and from the last time we did verification
[16:09] <Kilos-> we can also tell them we have been having power probs for months too hehe
[16:09] <magespawn> i don't think that will be neccessary
[16:11] <Kilos-> ya
[16:11] <Kilos-> boet gave some info on how things work there
[16:11] <Kilos-> Boiler burns stuff, makes heat, heat turns water to steam, steam turns turbines coupled so they can turn generators, generators make power, goes through HV yard to national grid, grid sells to municipalities who sell to peeps
[16:12] <Kilos-> now i understand how running out of water can be a prob
[16:12] <Cantide> good night!
[16:12] <magespawn> that is the general idea yup
[16:13] <magespawn> that should not run out of water though, they should be able to recycle most of it
[16:14] <magespawn> and it should not come as a surprise
[16:14] <Kilos-> i forgot about the boilers
[16:15] <Kilos-> must have thought about kabora bassa  or whatever its called
[16:15] <Kilos-> whole dam must dry up first
[16:18] <magespawn> and i would have thought that you would have seen that coming
[16:19] <Kilos-> lol
[16:20] <Kilos-> is glug still alive?
[16:20] <magespawn> i have not had a look recently
[16:20] <Kilos-> oh my they min
[16:21] <magespawn> maybe the dlug people will know
[16:21] <Kilos-> only frostbite and mxg other than fly pro and i
[16:22] <Kilos-> and blaze and squirm
[16:22] <Kilos->  #glug.za
[16:24] <Kilos-> uh oh
[16:25] <theblazehen> Kilos-: lol
[16:25] <Kilos-> whew
[16:25] <Kilos-> i hope eskom didnt kill our contact lady
[16:26] <magespawn> mmm
[16:31] <Kilos-> Maaz: mmm
[16:31] <Maaz> mmm means the person is thinking how to do hmm...
[16:31] <magespawn> indeed
[16:31] <Kilos-> Maaz: hmm...
[16:31] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[16:31] <Kilos-> hehe
[16:32] <Kilos-> sorry magespawn 
[16:34] <magespawn> no it is cool
[16:35] <Kilos-> that last testimonial explains why we have done less
[16:36] <Kilos-> ubuntu getting too good for peeps to need help
[16:36] <magespawn> i am also going to go for a bit
[16:36] <Kilos-> ok
[16:36] <Kilos-> dont sleep
[16:36] <Kilos-> unless you set alarm
[16:37] <magespawn> i will check back in a little while, i want to charge tha various devices, so i can stay online even if eskom does not play the game
[16:38] <magespawn> see you later
[18:06] <Kilos-> inetpro: where is your testimonial
[18:39] <Kilos-> ai!
[18:39] <Kilos-> ek sukkel darem mety my volk
[18:39]  * theblazehen is here..
[18:45] <Kilos-> still early theblazehen 
[18:45] <theblazehen> Kilos-: ya, I know
[18:45] <Kilos-> and im falling asleep already
[18:45] <theblazehen> Just letting you know that I'm not skipping this..
[18:46] <Kilos-> ty lad
[18:46] <theblazehen> np
[18:47] <Kilos-> pity you werent here 5 years back
[18:47] <Kilos-> this channel was alive
[18:47] <theblazehen> heh, what was happening then?
[18:47] <Kilos-> peeps had more time
[18:47] <theblazehen> ah
[18:47] <Kilos-> to help me mainly
[18:47] <theblazehen> I was actually using ubuntu then at that stage :/
[18:47]  * theblazehen has my ethernet connection back :) Brother got a pc, didn't have a spare port on the router, so I had to tether my phone.. Now I just bridged my two interfaces, and we now both have a wired connection :D
[18:48] <Kilos-> cool
[18:48] <Kilos-> hi Lionthinker 
[18:48] <Lionthinker> an I early
[18:48] <theblazehen> hi Lionthinker, ya
[18:48] <Lionthinker> Hi Kilos- 
[18:48] <Kilos-> yes but good to see you still alive
[18:48] <Lionthinker> good, glad not to be late for once
[18:48] <Kilos-> lol
[18:48] <Lionthinker> tell me about it, especially on a public holiday
[18:49] <Kilos-> gonna be a late night
[18:49] <Lionthinker> we should definitely mention this as browny points as how much we love Ubuntu
[18:49] <superfly> hi Kilos-, Lionthinker, theblazehen
[18:49] <Kilos-> did you do a testimonial?
[18:49] <Kilos-> evening superfly 
[18:49] <theblazehen> haha, "we're on time" Lionthinker
[18:49] <theblazehen> hi superfly
[18:50] <Lionthinker> yip, 20 min ago
[18:50] <Kilos-> ty for the nice words
[18:50] <superfly> what time is the actual verification?
[18:50] <Kilos-> 22.00
[18:50] <theblazehen> ai.. lets hope my phone battery lasts
[18:50] <Kilos-> charge it now so long man
[18:51] <theblazehen> It's on charge
[18:51] <theblazehen> Like 50%
[18:51] <theblazehen> But I only have a computer to charge with..
[18:51] <theblazehen> Some nights it doesn't even do a full charge
[18:51] <Kilos-> then keep charger plugged in all the time
[18:51]  * theblazehen doesn't have a charger..
[18:51] <Kilos-> eish
[18:52] <Kilos-> but if you have a pc then you dont need the fone too?
[18:52] <Lionthinker> theblazehen, turn of sync, put on battery saver, and of course say a pray to the world, but mainly Eskom
[18:52] <theblazehen> Kilos-: I like to be in bed..
[18:53] <Kilos-> lol lazy
[18:53] <theblazehen> Lionthinker: won't make much difference. I've tried
[18:53] <theblazehen> Kilos-: exactly
[18:53] <theblazehen> https://romanrm.net/mhddfs interesting...
[18:53] <Kilos-> i sit by the pc but when lying on the bed can see pc and tv
[18:54] <Kilos-> room well organiesd but what a mess
[18:54] <Kilos-> parts everywhere
[18:54] <theblazehen> ah, nice
[18:55] <Kilos-> and the bloep is to tell me wake up or attention needed
[18:55] <theblazehen> ah
[18:55]  * theblazehen has no sound
[18:55] <Kilos-> you know bloep?
[18:56] <Kilos-> eish no sound
[18:56] <Kilos-> id be lost
[18:56] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos- uses sonar
[18:57] <Kilos-> ai!
[18:57] <Kilos-> sorry
[18:57] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: like an actual sonar thing? Niiiiceee..
[18:58] <superfly> we have an anonymous testimonial
[18:59] <nlsthzn> theblazehen, yes, he uses sonar because without sound he would be lost :p
[19:01] <nlsthzn> superfly, ah yes I see that one line :p
[19:02] <nlsthzn> I also added one for zabear1 who requested it via e-mail
[19:02] <nlsthzn> busy moving to the coast 
[19:03] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014?action=info - nice to see how many peeps have edited the page :)
[19:04] <theblazehen> hi Maaz
[19:04] <Kilos> wb my maiatoday 
[19:04] <theblazehen> maiatoday *
[19:04] <maiatoday> hi all
[19:05] <Kilos> methinks nuvolari is asleep
[19:06] <nlsthzn> o/ maiatoday :)
[19:06] <maiatoday> hi nlsthzn 
[19:07] <Kilos> maiatoday: are you happy with the page?
[19:07] <maiatoday> When I looked it was fine, I haven't looked today again
[19:07] <Kilos> when did you look?
[19:08] <maiatoday> a day or two ago
[19:08] <maiatoday> thanks to everyone who made an effort to put this together
[19:08] <Kilos> ah it grew some
[19:08] <maiatoday> I'll look at the page again now
[19:08] <inetpro> Kilos: done
[19:08] <superfly> hi maiatoday
[19:08] <superfly> g'day inetpro
[19:08] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[19:08] <maiatoday> hi superfly 
[19:08] <inetpro> good evening
[19:09] <nlsthzn> o/ to all those I haven't greeted yet >.<
[19:09] <Lionthinker> hi all
[19:09] <maiatoday> oh wow so many awesome testimonials
[19:09] <theblazehen> the SFD page is up, may wanna remove the "seems to be down" bit
[19:09]  * nlsthzn goes to make some coffee and make sure the kettle is on standby for more later too :D
[19:10] <Kilos> hi gremble you made it
[19:10] <nlsthzn> the council should already have checked the page afaik but still good to edit it ... not all at once however 
[19:10] <nlsthzn> :p
[19:10] <Guest47145> Why am I a guest?
[19:10] <Kilos> what more you wanna edit neelsie
[19:11] <Guest47145> Ag vok
[19:11] <Kilos> sies man
[19:11] <inetpro> ai!
[19:11] <Kilos> we have a lady present grem
[19:11] <nlsthzn> >.<
[19:11] <Kilos> we have a lady present gremble 
[19:11] <nlsthzn> nothing uncle Kilos , just the link that theblazehen has mentioned is now working
[19:12] <Kilos> cool
[19:12] <gremble> She's never read an expletive? :x
[19:12] <Kilos> ya but we are gennlemense
[19:12] <gremble> Psh :P
[19:13] <Kilos> hehe
[19:13] <gremble> I am staying in a house with no wifi
[19:13] <Kilos> me too
[19:13] <gremble> So, no gentleman-ness from me
[19:13] <Kilos> no you must be good tonight
[19:14] <Kilos> maia has been our contact for years'
[19:15] <Kilos> how are you connecting without wireless
[19:15] <nlsthzn> about that... we are still looking for someone willing to be the contact to give maia a break
[19:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[19:15] <nlsthzn> just saying
[19:15] <magespawn> good evening
[19:15] <nlsthzn> o/
[19:15] <magespawn> well good to go?
[19:15] <maiatoday> I am happy to stay the contact if it means just relaying messages, but if anyone wants to have a turn that is good too
[19:15] <Kilos> maiatoday: do you want a break or will you please stay as our contact
[19:16] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[19:16] <maiatoday> I will stay on, but I don't want to stop anyone from trying to be the contact
[19:16]  * Kilos totally happy with maiatoday
[19:16] <nlsthzn> I think people are scared of the position as they don't know what it entails :p
[19:16] <magespawn> hi theblazehen 
[19:16] <gremble> What nlsthzn said
[19:16] <maiatoday> reading emails mostly
[19:17] <nlsthzn> I am also on the same mailing list...
[19:17] <inetpro> we need more members to become active as official ubuntu members
[19:17] <maiatoday> and then talking to you guys/gals if there is something important
[19:17] <nlsthzn> mostly non relevant :p
[19:17] <magespawn> also no need to fix that which is not broken
[19:17] <nlsthzn> once a slave always a slave :p
[19:17] <maiatoday> yeah mostly I just skim the subject lines unless it is something specific
[19:17] <inetpro> maiatoday: thanks for the efforts
[19:17] <nlsthzn> +1
[19:18] <Kilos> Maaz: maiatoday ++
[19:18] <maiatoday> no problem, thanks to everyone else who has been doing the meetings and making the pages
[19:18] <maiatoday> are we doing an official meeting tonight?
[19:18] <maiatoday> must we do intros?
[19:18] <Kilos> nuvolari: was supposed to come chair maiatoday 
[19:19] <Kilos> you can take over
[19:19] <Kilos> he is poegaai after work lately
[19:19] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[19:19] <Maaz> maiatoday: Excuse me?
[19:19] <nlsthzn> remember two years ago... we pitch up and take the channel over :p
[19:19] <maiatoday> urk I can't even do that anymore
[19:19] <nlsthzn> in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:20] <Kilos> you need to start meeting  first
[19:20] <nlsthzn> take over the channel I mean >.<
[19:20] <Kilos> if you still have permission
[19:20] <maiatoday> yeah we'll do that again, we just mustn't interrupt when the dutch team are up
[19:20] <nlsthzn> do we need a meeting here now?
[19:20] <maiatoday> dunno, do we?
[19:20] <Kilos> not really
[19:20] <nlsthzn> I don't think so
[19:20] <inetpro> nlsthzn: you're welcome to do it but am not sure whether it's really necessary
[19:20] <maiatoday> ok so we are up before the dutch team
[19:20] <Kilos> this was just to check everything is in place
[19:21]  * nlsthzn is just here to lurk in the meeting 
[19:21] <inetpro> I changed the topic above just to link directly to the re-verification application
[19:21] <Kilos> you did most of the work nlsthzn 
[19:21] <maiatoday> so that just means we can be in the channel and cheer etc but we need to shutup when they come up
[19:21] <nlsthzn> nah I doubt that uncle Kilos 
[19:23] <Kilos> are  you guys in the meeting channel already?
[19:23]  * nlsthzn is
[19:24] <Kilos> eish you wanna make me multitask
[19:24] <magespawn> i just joined
[19:25] <Kilos> eek so many there
[19:25] <nlsthzn> looking at getting ubuntu membership for some of the peeps doing the work in the loco is something we must look into early next year
[19:25] <nlsthzn> most just lurk
[19:25] <nlsthzn> some are just about in all ubuntu chaneels
[19:25] <nlsthzn> *channels
[19:25] <Lionthinker> its #ubuntu-meeting right?
[19:26] <nlsthzn> yup
[19:26] <gremble> What does ubuntu membership entail?
[19:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:26] <nlsthzn> we can chat with the dutch team and the others won't understand :p
[19:26] <Kilos> haha
[19:26] <Lionthinker> whose going to buy an Ubuntu phone next year?
[19:26] <nlsthzn> a few perks, a certificate, bragging rights ;p
[19:27] <Kilos> its too hard nlsthzn 
[19:27] <nlsthzn> I will believe there is a phone when I see it
[19:27] <maiatoday> gremble, you need to be acitive doing stuff for about 6 months atleast then you make a wiki page 
[19:27] <nlsthzn> not really... create a wiki and apply
[19:27] <maiatoday> then there is a meeting and they decide, can't remember the exact process
[19:27] <theblazehen> Lionthinker: I'd rather go for a SailfishOS phone
[19:27] <Kilos> i cant do all that stuff
[19:27] <nlsthzn> yes you can uncle Kilos ...
[19:28] <Lionthinker> theblazehen, why?
[19:28] <maiatoday> you can be a member for coding stuff, packaging but also for social involvement
[19:28] <maiatoday> you totally can Kilos
[19:28] <Kilos> oh
[19:28] <maiatoday> It helps if you have testimonials on your wiki
[19:28] <theblazehen> Lionthinker: I prefer the more "standard" linux stuff, and also like the interface more
[19:28] <theblazehen> eg. Wayland + systemd, vs mir and upstart AFAIK
[19:28] <Kilos> i dont have a wiki even
[19:28] <theblazehen> And it's already available to public
[19:28] <nlsthzn> you create one in wiki.ubuntu.com
[19:29] <nlsthzn> for free
[19:29] <magespawn> committed and sustained involvment is what they require in almost any area that supports ubuntu
[19:29] <nlsthzn> +1 magespawn 
[19:31] <nlsthzn> some peeps are here 24/7 and keeps the channel going and others are always helping on the mailing lists etc...
[19:31] <nlsthzn> sustained over many years
[19:31] <nlsthzn> imo
[19:31] <nlsthzn> just need some proof
[19:31] <Kilos> nuvolari:  is on his way
[19:31] <maiatoday> Kilos, you don't need a whole wiki, just one page on the ubuntu wiki
[19:31] <Lionthinker> theblazehen, so are you actually going to place an order for sailfish?
[19:32] <Lionthinker> theblazehen, what of Firefox phone which should be launching next year in SA as well?
[19:32] <theblazehen> Lionthinker: If I magically come across some cash, sure!
[19:32] <Kilos> im thewre but dont see where to make a page
[19:32] <Lionthinker> theblazehen, hehehehe
[19:32] <nlsthzn> there is a howto for making it uncle Kilos ...
[19:32] <Kilos> do you click the get involved thiong
[19:32] <theblazehen> I think the specs are way too low, combined with the fact that everything is dhtml, will make it really slow
[19:32]  * nlsthzn will help uncle Kilos tomorrow or so if he is still stuck :)
[19:32] <maiatoday> Kilos, here is my wiki page, you'll see it is quite simple https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maiatoday
[19:33] <Kilos> ty maiatoday 
[19:33] <maiatoday> very outdated now
[19:33] <maiatoday> also Kilos, I'll write you a testimonial if you make the wiki page
[19:33] <gremble> Kilos: type in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos it should tell you that there is no page and that you can create one
[19:34] <inetpro> go for it kilos
[19:34] <nlsthzn> +1 uncle Kilos 
[19:35] <nlsthzn> could be fun trying to pull some info from all the IRC logs to see who is most active and when etc :)
[19:35] <inetpro> someone please ping me when the meeting starts at #ubuntu-meeting
[19:36] <Kilos> will do inetpro 
[19:36] <inetpro> ty
[19:36] <nlsthzn> like a wake-up call :)
[19:36] <Kilos> still looking for the tutorial
[19:36] <Lionthinker> me also Kilos 
[19:36] <Kilos> or where to type what gremble said
[19:36] <Lionthinker> Kilos, please
[19:36] <nlsthzn> *sigh*
[19:36] <Kilos> what Lionthinker ?
[19:37] <nuvolari> oh hi
[19:37] <nuvolari> :D
[19:37] <nuvolari> what did I miss?
[19:37] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[19:37] <nuvolari> and where do I need to be?
[19:37] <gremble> Kilos, in your browser
[19:37] <nlsthzn> procedure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember
[19:37] <nuvolari> I didn't have time to prepare :(
[19:37] <Kilos> we still chatting 
[19:37] <nlsthzn> wiki page template - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MembershipTemplate
[19:38] <nlsthzn> no need to be ready nuvolari , just state our case when the council wants it - don't stuff it up and we get re-verified... no pressure ;)
[19:38] <nuvolari> what is our case? 
[19:39] <nuvolari> who's chairing?
[19:39] <nuvolari> :O
[19:39] <nlsthzn> the council is chairing in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:39] <nlsthzn> we need to attend and they will ask for the contact person to explain stuff
[19:40] <captine> evening all
[19:40] <magespawn> hi captine
[19:40] <nlsthzn> o/
[19:40] <nuvolari> o/ hello
[19:41] <nuvolari> who is the contact person nlsthzn, you or bytjie ( maiatoday )?
[19:42] <nlsthzn> maiatoday
[19:42] <maiatoday> I am
[19:42] <magespawn> going to have to make it snappy, falling asleep here
[19:42] <Kilos> bytjie natuurlik
[19:42] <Kilos> have coffee magespawn 
[19:42] <maiatoday> the meeting only starts at 22:00
[19:42] <nlsthzn> it is almost midnight here :'(
[19:42] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[19:42] <Kilos> why it tells me please dont edit
[19:42] <nlsthzn> woohoo uncle Kilos , well done
[19:43] <nlsthzn> that is just text you can remove from the template
[19:43] <Lionthinker> Kilos, ping, 
[19:43] <Kilos> Lionthinker: pong
[19:45] <nlsthzn> ugh, I hate itunes but it makes getting music so easy :'(
[19:45] <magespawn> wife is organising real world coffee
[19:45] <magespawn> there is also this for interested people https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines
[19:45] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: thepiratebay.se
[19:46] <nlsthzn> thanks magespawn ... I think we used that 
[19:46] <captine> is everyone in the meeting chatroom?
[19:46] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: spotify.com
[19:46] <nlsthzn> theblazehen, I stopped pirating music many moons ago
[19:46] <nlsthzn> and no spotify here...
[19:46] <nlsthzn> but I do use grooveshark
[19:47] <nlsthzn> but I do like to own the stuff I really like 
[19:47] <gremble> piratebay got taken down
[19:47] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: grooveshark FTW. I forgot you can't just use a VPN  on spotify :(
[19:47] <theblazehen> gremble: ah yeah, /me forgot a bit..
[19:47] <nlsthzn> oldpiratebay.org
[19:47] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: ty
[19:47] <nlsthzn> new managment
[19:47] <Kilos> you guys must greet there
[19:47] <nlsthzn> slowly getting more stuff...
[19:47] <nlsthzn> never!
[19:48] <Kilos> never?
[19:48] <nlsthzn> ok I lied
[19:51] <nuvolari> ok, I'm here for moral support. is that OK?
[19:51] <nuvolari> :D
[19:51] <theblazehen> Compiling software over a 100mbit nfs share = bad idea..
[19:51] <Kilos> you part of us nuvolari 
[19:52] <Kilos> you need to take multivitamins and be more active
[19:52] <Kilos> so i can sleep more
[19:53] <nlsthzn> elfy in the meeting channel is an admin in ubuntuforums and also on the community council, cool guy etc :)
[19:54] <Kilos> ty
[19:54] <captine> cool
[19:54] <nuvolari> so we're in good hands?
[19:55] <nlsthzn> well elfy isn't on the loco council so nah not really :p
[19:56] <nuvolari> :O
[19:56] <nuvolari> :'(
[19:56]  * nlsthzn isn't a fan of the loco council after they screwed up the loco over here in the uae
[19:56] <nlsthzn> due to to much ubuntuness and not enough common sense
[19:56] <Kilos> inetpro: you didnt wait for your ping
[19:56] <nlsthzn> lol
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: :-)
[19:57] <Kilos> he does funny things the old man
[19:57] <Kilos> hehe
[19:58] <nlsthzn> all the greetings there is going to get old
[19:58] <Kilos> thats fine
[19:58] <Kilos> its good manners
[19:59] <nuvolari> ugh, I'm so tired :O
[19:59] <nlsthzn> +1
[19:59] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[19:59] <nlsthzn> almost tomorrow already 
[20:00] <nlsthzn> and these meetings are always delayed and takes longer than needed
[20:01] <nlsthzn> here we go... or at least here the bot goes
[20:01] <magespawn> coffee people, coffee
[20:02] <theblazehen> here we go!
[20:02] <nlsthzn> +1 +1
[20:02] <Kilos> woooo
[20:04] <Kilos> sjoe they got lotsa funny stuff when starting meets
[20:04] <Lionthinker> not like us with our howzit
[20:04] <Kilos> ya hehe
[20:05] <Kilos> they kinda serious
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: some of them get paid to do this
[20:05] <Kilos> ah
[20:05] <Kilos> i can be serious too if i get paid
[20:05] <Lionthinker> inetpro, I didn't know that
[20:06] <nlsthzn> no money for this
[20:06] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <nlsthzn> only those working for canonical... and none of these peeps are afaik
[20:06] <inetpro> rephrase: some of them strive to get paid by Canonical :-)
[20:07] <nlsthzn> I know on some other councils there are canonical people (on some they are mandatory)
[20:07] <Kilos> nuvolari: look and learn
[20:07] <nlsthzn> agreed... I wouldn't mind inetpro :p
[20:07] <nuvolari> eh? I'm looking
[20:08] <nlsthzn> busy people need to be efficient :p
[20:08] <Kilos> sjoe thats heavy stuff
[20:08] <theblazehen> All that voting?...
[20:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:09] <nlsthzn> higher up you go the more formal you have to be.
[20:09] <nlsthzn> many locos take there status very seriously :)
[20:09] <nuvolari> we're up!
[20:09]  * nuvolari wets pants
[20:09] <nlsthzn> and the loco concept really helping ubuntu grow
[20:09] <Kilos> we still the friendly loco
[20:10] <nlsthzn> lol
[20:10] <theblazehen> Ya, wonder if we can mention that or something?
[20:10] <Kilos> Tell us a bit about what is happening with the South Africa community and please speak to your application.
[20:11] <Kilos> what does that mean
[20:11] <nlsthzn> tell us what you have done and explain some of the links and stuff etc...
[20:13]  * nlsthzn sees maiatoday passing the buck and hides
[20:13] <Kilos> inetpro: ssshhhh
[20:13] <theblazehen> Kilos: why sshhh?
[20:14] <nuvolari> good work on the reverification wiki, it looks pretty good!
[20:14] <Kilos> im the greeterbot
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: say something man
[20:16] <Kilos> what
[20:16] <captine> hey, whats and LTP
[20:17] <nlsthzn> there are sites for loco's to show meeting dates and events etc...
[20:18] <nlsthzn> I am not sure what LTP means rigth now :p
[20:19] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: loco team portal
[20:20] <nlsthzn> lol I had the loco and portal part but couldnt figure out the T >.<
[20:23] <nlsthzn> re-verification denied but here is some nice phones :p
[20:23]  * nlsthzn jokes
[20:23] <Kilos> haha
[20:27] <nlsthzn> superfly, we could always just make a link file that opens the webchat interface to #ubutnu-za to make it easy for noobs and grandparents
[20:29] <superfly> nlsthzn: also a better website :-(
[20:30] <nlsthzn> I was toying with the idea to have some sort of buzz building next year... new logo design as well as new website... and to push for more blogs etc... should target it to school and uni using open source tools to create and licensed with CC with some prizes and stuff
[20:31] <theblazehen> Here we go...
[20:31]  * nuvolari holds thumbs
[20:31] <Lionthinker> gees this is ball breaking stuff
[20:31] <nlsthzn> whoo hoo
[20:31] <nuvolari> \o/
[20:32] <captine> Thanks all for the work done.  I will do my best to get more involved.  maiatoday, what did you mean by needing more people on loco?
[20:32] <maiatoday> just new people with energy to do stuff
[20:32] <maiatoday> thanks so much everyone!
[20:32] <maiatoday>  you rock
[20:32] <Kilos> ty maiatoday you simply the best
[20:32] <nlsthzn> well done all :D
[20:33] <nlsthzn> now to bed with me :p
[20:33] <theblazehen> Wonder if Netherlands will also stay verified..
[20:33] <maiatoday> ok we should probably make a list of the suggestions in the meeting at some point
[20:33] <inetpro> Kilos: some people are actually gonna start looking into your apt-offline again
[20:33] <Lionthinker> could we note 2 points for our next meeting: apt offline and 
[20:33] <nuvolari> awesome! thank you everyone involved in preparations for this reapproval
[20:33] <Kilos> night nlsthzn ty for everything
[20:33] <maiatoday> there were some good ones
[20:33] <theblazehen> Cya nlsthzn 
[20:33] <Kilos> oh my
[20:33] <nuvolari> thank you maiatoday for all the work you do
[20:33] <superfly> nlsthzn: I was thinking of a static site, because it's just so much pain to maintain a CMS for such a little content.
[20:33] <magespawn> from my quick search it is in debian
[20:33] <Kilos> the aptoncd thing?
[20:33] <maiatoday> my pleasure
[20:33] <Kilos> id forgotten about that
[20:33] <Lionthinker> thanks maiatoday and Kilos and nlsthzn  and theblazehen and superfly 
[20:34] <nuvolari> and thank you Chris and Penny for coming from afar
[20:34] <Lionthinker> and everyone else
[20:34] <nlsthzn> lol
[20:34] <Kilos> thank you for being here Lionthinker 
[20:34] <captine> superfly, I have been looking to play with Pico, which looks pretty cool
[20:34] <magespawn> something like that Kilos 
[20:34]  * nlsthzn is almost convinced to install ubuntu again... almost >.>
[20:34] <nuvolari> +1 on static site
[20:34] <captine> http://picocms.org/
[20:34] <superfly> captine: a number of us, like magespawn, maiatoday and inetpro, have families and things which keep us really busy.
[20:34] <nlsthzn> static site that does what is needed sounds good :)
[20:34]  * Kilos gives nlsthzn a push
[20:35] <nlsthzn> off a cliff
[20:35] <captine> superfly, that is my challenge.  got a 11 month old, and a daughter arriving in Feb
[20:35] <nlsthzn> or is that of a clif?
[20:35] <Lionthinker> Kilos, pleasure
[20:35] <captine> and just moved countries a year ago...
[20:35] <nuvolari> good luck and congrats captine 
[20:35] <nlsthzn> captine is strong, he moves countries
[20:35] <maiatoday> a am grateful for every small snippet of time that anyone puts in
[20:35] <Lionthinker> guys, could we summarise important points quick
[20:35] <Kilos> no nlsthzn towards ubuntu
[20:35] <superfly> captine: no. PHP is just no.
[20:35] <Kilos> kde better but
[20:35]  * nlsthzn sleeps...zzzz
[20:36] <superfly> captine: I have a 5 year old, a 2 year old and a 3 month old
[20:36] <captine> nlsthzn, its all thanks to spinach
[20:36] <captine> superfly, wow.  you win.
[20:36] <captine> :)
[20:36] <superfly> captine: oh, and I lead an open source project.
[20:36] <superfly> all outside of my day-job
[20:36] <captine> superfly, which one?
[20:36] <nuvolari> he's not superfly for nothing
[20:36] <superfly> openlp
[20:36] <captine> and what is your day job?
[20:36] <superfly> http://nomanini.com/
[20:36] <captine> I am a chartered accountant doing my best to get my windows IT to move some servers to linux...
[20:37] <Kilos> the fly needs 40 hours in each day
[20:37] <superfly> I'm a software and firmware developer
[20:37] <magespawn> and that excludes sleep
[20:37] <Kilos> ya
[20:37] <superfly> ^^ what they said
[20:37] <superfly> :-D
[20:37] <captine> i should have gone into software dev... accounting can be boring :)
[20:38] <Kilos> im happy, we official again for 2 more years
[20:38] <captine> lol.
[20:38] <magespawn> it is interesting to see the kind of people here and what they do with their time
[20:38] <nuvolari> I'm falling asleep here. need to leave by 4:45. 
[20:38] <nuvolari> Good night everyone :)
[20:38] <Kilos> nuvolari: ty for joining us
[20:38] <nuvolari> Congrats on reapproval!
[20:38] <maiatoday> night nuvolari 
[20:38] <Kilos> have a good rest lad
[20:38] <magespawn> night nuvolari 
[20:39] <superfly> captine: I did accounting up till matric in school, was boring, but easy.
[20:39] <nuvolari> thanks oom Kilos. night magespawn, maiatoday, superfly, captine and anyone I might have missed 
[20:39] <superfly> yw nuvolari, sleep well.
[20:39] <Lionthinker> cheers guys
[20:40] <captine> I am more on the IT side though. Spent 5 years implementing Oracle E-Business in SA and Asia for my previous company, now working on Budgetting and Business Intelligence tools at my current company
[20:40] <Kilos> cheers Lionthinker 
[20:40] <Kilos> sleep tight ty for attending
[20:40] <inetpro> Lionthinker: thanks for coming to the meeting
[20:41] <magespawn> superfly which site where you talking about early?
[20:41]  * inetpro can't wait to see a hands-on review of the phone from Lionthinker
[20:41] <superfly> magespawn: http://ubuntu-za.org/
[20:41] <superfly> Lionthinker: I can get someone at MyBroadband to review it :-)
[20:42] <magespawn> ahh right, might be a good idea, i can do html and css
[20:42] <superfly> magespawn: http://getbootstrap.com/
[20:42] <magespawn> i can edit in a cms and do limited maintenance but not anything in depth or set one up from scratch
[20:44] <Lionthinker> I wrote to them now, to follow up on it. It would be a great way to actually make a dent with Ubuntu in the homeland
[20:44] <Lionthinker> superfly, noted
[20:45] <magespawn> superfly that looks interesting
[20:45] <theblazehen> magespawn: yeah, agreed
[20:45] <magespawn> i have been learning from the deep end with joomla
[20:45] <theblazehen> Netherlands also approved..
[20:46] <magespawn> superfly and nothing in php in bootstrap?
[20:46] <inetpro> superfly: I think a static site would be more than enough to introduce new members 
[20:46] <inetpro> a wiki on the sidelines would be ideal for guys to capture stuff for reference purposes
[20:47] <superfly> magespawn: bootstrap is html, css and js, nothing else
[20:47] <superfly> inetpro: why not just use the Ubuntu wiki?
[20:48] <inetpro> superfly: yes, maybe we should promote just that
[20:48] <maiatoday> night all
[20:48] <magespawn> i have been looking at php and the this 'thing' of variables being able to change their type, stumped me a bit
[20:48] <magespawn> night maiatoday 
[20:48] <inetpro> good night maiatoday, and thanks for taking the lead
[20:48] <superfly> http://hyde.github.io/
[20:49] <maiatoday> :) my pleasure, everybody else did all the hard work
[20:49] <superfly> magespawn: JavaScript has the same, but it's nowhere near as bad as the PHP mess
[20:49] <captine> the netherlands guys have a goal to update wiki items for new members... maybe that is the best place?
[20:51] <magespawn> keep it all together i think 
[20:52] <magespawn> the NL loco also have their suppor map
[20:52] <magespawn> http://kaart.ubuntu-nl.org/
[20:55] <magespawn> i also have to be off to bed, good night all
[20:59] <Kilos> aw i missed maia
[20:59] <Kilos> and mage
[20:59] <Kilos> but i have a wiki page
[21:02] <inetpro> well done Kilos
[21:03] <Kilos> lol its nothing to look at compared to maia's but its there
[21:03] <inetpro> it's a good start
[21:03] <Kilos> ya ill get you to edit it
[21:04] <Kilos> hehe
[21:04] <inetpro> you can edit and improve at any point
[21:04]  * inetpro happy to see him getting used to the wiki interface
[21:04] <captine> Kilos, whats ur wiki page?
[21:04] <Kilos> ty for joining us tonight inetpro 
[21:04] <inetpro> Kilos: yw
[21:04] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[21:05] <Kilos> i still want to know where you are
[21:06] <Kilos> this reverification thing has taught me lots
[21:06] <Kilos> can edit wiki pages a bit now
[21:08] <captine> cool
[21:18] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. ty for an enjoyable evening