[02:54] <MrSavage> Gu akk
[02:54] <MrSavage> Hi all
[02:54] <MrSavage> Trying out this distro
[02:55] <MrSavage> seems pretty cool, only thing bothering me is that you're using nautilus for the file manager
[03:16] <darkxst> MrSavage, nautilus is the GNOME file manager so of course we use it
[03:16] <darkxst> of course you are free to use any other filemanager if you prefer
[03:19] <MrSavage> darkxst: how can i change the defaults to nemo?
[03:19] <MrSavage> oh well i'm going to bed
[10:13] <indistylo> I am using ubuntu 12.04, since long time Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[11:27] <mgedmin> indistylo, remind me please, what version of gnome-shell is in 12.04?
[11:48] <indistylo> mgedmin : gnome-session 3.2.1
[11:50] <amjjawad> hello indistylo
[11:51] <amjjawad> why not try Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 or 14.04 ?
[13:03] <indistylo> amjjawad: Same issue with that, too
[13:07] <mgedmin> is there a setting for hiding the battery icon?
[13:07] <mgedmin> there used to be a long time ago
[13:08] <mgedmin> indistylo, if you open the gnome-shell menu on the top-right corner, does it mention a battery?
[13:09] <mgedmin> http://i.imgur.com/0IxPqCO.png
[13:34] <indistylo> mgedmin: No it does not mention battery
[13:35] <mgedmin> ok, do you have upowerd running?
[13:35] <mgedmin> does upower -d show information about your battery?
[13:44] <indistylo> mgedmin : Check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550604/
[13:45] <mgedmin> it seems your upower thinks you don't have a battery
[13:46] <mgedmin> ls /sys/class/power_supply/
[13:46] <mgedmin> I have AC and BAT0 there
[13:46] <mgedmin> do you?
[13:46] <indistylo> mgedmin : At present while I am talking to you, My Laptop is presently running on battery and this information is not shown in upower -d
[13:46] <indistylo> the option on-battery : no
[13:48] <indistylo> ls /sys/class/power_supply > ACAD
[13:48] <indistylo> So now can you help me to zero on the issue, I will be thankful to you.
[13:49] <mgedmin> looks like the kernel module is missing
[13:49] <indistylo> ok so how it can be curbed out
[13:51] <mgedmin> I think on my laptop the battery driver is thinkpad_acpi
[13:51] <mgedmin> because it's a thinkpad :)
[13:51] <indistylo> You can check my kernel info http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550654/
[13:53] <indistylo> There is ATI radeon on my Toshiba, recently i updated kernel. openGL also stopped working. I think they have withdraw the support for my series card., thinking to install "fglrx-legacy "
[13:53] <mgedmin> that doesn't really say anything useful about this problem
[13:53] <mgedmin> the laptop vendor and model might be useful
[13:55] <indistylo> mgedmin : Check this http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550671/
[13:55] <mgedmin> a battery is not a pci device
[13:55] <indistylo> I suppose this may help you something to figure out
[13:57] <mgedmin> cat /sys/class/dmi/id/sys_vendor
[13:57] <mgedmin> cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_name
[13:57] <mgedmin> cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_version
[13:58] <indistylo> ok thanks for making me learn that
[14:00] <indistylo> mgedmin, Requested info, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550707/
[14:00] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/995794
[14:03] <indistylo> ok so according to that thread this is a bug and as of now it cant be fixed. is it?
[14:04] <mgedmin> what happens next: you click on "does this bug affect you", say yes, maybe post a comment saying "this is still a problem in ubuntu 14.10" (or whichever latest version you tested)
[14:04] <mgedmin> at best the bug will be reopened and you'll get a few questions like "can you try the latest upstream kernel from this PPA and tell us if this is still a bug"
[14:04] <mgedmin> and if it is "can you report this upstream following the instructions at ..."
[14:04] <mgedmin> but basically the ubuntu people aren't likely to fix the bug
[14:04] <mgedmin> because there are many many bugs and very few paid developers
[14:05] <mgedmin> and they don't have the hardware to test everything
[14:06] <mgedmin> if you have the patience to follow the instructions and report upstream (which means I don't-even-know what, a mail to the linux-kernel list?  cc: to the acpi maintainer?)
[14:06] <mgedmin> maybe this'll get fixed
[14:06] <mgedmin> omg the workaround at http://techinterplay.com/fix-toshiba-battery-issue-linux.html
[14:08] <mgedmin> oooh https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15707
[14:08] <mgedmin> indicates that this was supposed to be fixed some time in 2012, assuming it's really the same bug
[14:09] <indistylo> That solution is partial one and does not solves the problem in its totality
[14:09] <mgedmin> so this is supposed to be fixed in kernel 3.11
[14:09] <mgedmin> and hey, you pasted uname output already :)
[14:10] <mgedmin> 3.2.0
[14:10] <mgedmin> but then you said you also had the problem with ubuntu 14.10?  that should have a 3.16.0 kernel
[14:10] <indistylo> It shows some error hence I might think to drop that idea to follow that thread
[14:11] <mgedmin> I don't know which solution you're talking about -- using a custom DSDT?  I wouldn't do that, I'd try to get this fixed upstream
[14:11] <indistylo> Ya it shows same problem, I cant figure out what the problem it is
[14:11] <indistylo> I am talking about this http://techinterplay.com/fix-toshiba-battery-issue-linux.html
[14:12] <mgedmin> if I were you I'd open a new bug at bugzilla.kernel.org
[14:13] <mgedmin> mention the hardware (Toshiba L640), the problem (battery not detected: ls /sys/class/power_supply lists only ACAD), the kernel version (but surely after repeating the tests on something newer than 3.2.0!)
[14:13] <mgedmin> oh, and I'd attach my /var/log/dmesg
[14:14] <mgedmin> maybe mention that "this was supposed to be fixed in 3.11 according to bug 15707, so this might be a different bug"
[14:14] <mgedmin> no, silly ubot5, this bug number was on bugzilla.kernel.org, not on launchpad :)
[14:19] <indistylo> ok I will do that, I suppose that will suffice the problem if mere reporting help the issue to solve
[14:22] <MrSavage> Hi all
[14:36] <MrSavage> Hi all
[14:36] <MrSavage> Is there a way to splay out all opened windows?
[14:36] <MrSavage> Also when I use activities? Can I get an icon in the middle of the window?
[14:37] <MrSavage> It's hard to see what's the the actual window being displayed but an icon would help me realize what it is
[14:37] <mgedmin> "splay out"?  like Expose?  press <Super> aka the Windows key
[14:37] <mgedmin> which is what you do when you use activities, so I don't understand your first question
[14:37] <mgedmin> as for icons, search in extensions.gnome.org, I think there was something that added icons to the overview window views
[14:40] <MrSavage> mgedmin: yes splay out in that manner
[14:40] <MrSavage> thanks
[14:40] <MrSavage> just installed ubuntu gnome, trying to get used to this
[14:51] <MrSavage> the only thing i dislike about gnome 3 is that for small windows it's hard to see
[14:51] <MrSavage> if i have a dialogue/popup, then i don't see it too well in activies
[14:52] <MrSavage> activies*
[14:55] <MrSavage> Another thing is that I can't change the date formation, i can't make it say Decemeber 16,
[14:56] <MrSavage> luckily there's an extension for that
[15:10] <MrSavage> how can i move the title of the window to be beside the icon?
[15:17] <MrSavage> When i press the <Super> key, how can I make the title of the window be beside the icon?
[15:17] <MrSavage> or at least move the title of the window?
[15:17] <MrSavage> I want to make the font bigger as well
[15:17] <MrSavage> mgedmin: would you know?
[15:19] <mgedmin> that's a job for an extension
[15:21] <MrSavage> i can't seem to find one
[15:22] <mgedmin> I guess you need to write one then
[15:22] <mgedmin> or find somebody to write it for you
[15:22] <mgedmin> or live with the standard layout
[15:24] <MrSavage> i guess i could write it but i'm not familiar with gnome lol
[15:25] <mgedmin> are you familiar with javascript?
[15:25] <MrSavage> Also i can't seem to open backups
[15:25] <MrSavage> mgedmin: yes i worked in it before
[15:25] <MrSavage> I just don't know where these configuration files are
[15:26] <MrSavage> such as the files holding values for text of the windows
[15:26] <MrSavage> being font size, and location
[15:26] <MrSavage> does gnome have an api for this?
[15:26] <mgedmin> https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-shell/tree/master/js/ui/ is the core gnome-shell code
[15:26] <mgedmin> it's all done in JS
[15:27] <MrSavage> nice
[15:27] <mgedmin> you could download the extension that adds window icons and see how it does that
[15:27] <mgedmin> I see an "overview.js" but it doesn't seem to contain the code for positioning window titles
[15:27] <MrSavage> mgedmin: and am i able to publish easily or it needs to be trialed first?
[15:27] <MrSavage> mgedmin: yeah i got that extension
[15:28] <mgedmin> I've never written an extension
[15:28] <MrSavage> it sounds easy enough. it's just annoying that i have to hunch over to read the window titles in activity
[15:28] <MrSavage> way too tiny to read
[15:28] <mgedmin> afaics anyone can upload a new extension
[15:28] <MrSavage> afaics?
[15:29] <mgedmin> as far as I can see
[15:29] <mgedmin> i.e. it lets me go to https://extensions.gnome.org/upload/ and asks me for a file to upload, after I log in using my gnome.org account
[15:29] <mgedmin> (which was also trivial to set up a while ago when I needed it to rate existing extensions)
[15:29] <mgedmin> speaking of font size
[15:30] <mgedmin> perhaps you can change it via gnome-tweak-tool?
[15:30] <MrSavage> so gnome's UI is all in javascript?
[15:30] <MrSavage> mgedmin: i already looked
[15:30] <mgedmin> or you can enable large text from the accessibility control panel
[15:30] <mgedmin> or the font scaling thingy in gnome-tweak-tool
[15:30] <mgedmin> (I wonder if that's the same knob that accessibility uses?)
[15:31] <MrSavage> fuck, i set the dpi to 50 and i can't even see the whole ui
[15:31] <MrSavage> I can't see the bottom of this chat
[15:31] <MrSavage> and i'm unable to see the text bar for cahnging the DPI
[15:33] <MrSavage> I need help, i'm stuck with this
[15:35] <mgedmin> hold on
[15:35] <MrSavage> what's the command for changing the dpi
[15:35] <MrSavage> i'll do it through tty1
[15:35] <mgedmin> eh, gnome 3.14 has no setting for font dpi
[15:36] <mgedmin> remind me please what gnome version you have and how you changed it?
[15:36] <mgedmin> in tweak-tool?
[15:36] <mgedmin> you can alt-drag windows by grabbing them in the middle
[15:36] <MrSavage> i can't see the whole window
[15:36] <MrSavage> and i tried, it won't let me drag it up
[15:36] <mgedmin> and move their topmost part above the top of the screen
[15:36] <MrSavage> it's glitching out
[15:36] <mgedmin> that way you can see the bottom of a window that is too larget to fit
[15:37] <mgedmin> it's a life-saver on tiny netbook screens and situations like yours
[15:37] <MrSavage> it won't go past the top of the screen
[15:37] <MrSavage> :S
[15:37] <MrSavage> it keeps resetting
[15:37] <mgedmin> huh?
[15:37] <mgedmin> what do you mean by "resetting"?
[15:37] <MrSavage> it just moves itself back down
[15:38] <mgedmin> weird
[15:38] <mgedmin> in a terminal try gsettings list-recursively | grep dpi
[15:38] <mgedmin> or grep for the DPI value you selected
[15:38] <mgedmin> find the name of the setting
[15:39] <mgedmin> then gsettings reset org.gnome.whatever that-setting
[15:39] <MrSavage> dj@ShodanV4:~$ gsettings list-recursively | grep dpi
[15:39] <MrSavage> org.gnome.SimpleScan text-dpi 150
[15:39] <MrSavage> org.gnome.SimpleScan photo-dpi 300
[15:39] <MrSavage> dj@ShodanV4:~$
[15:39] <mgedmin> should change it back to the default value
[15:39] <MrSavage> those?
[15:39] <mgedmin> no
[15:39] <mgedmin> I don't know what the setting is called, maybe not dpi
[15:39] <mgedmin> as I said gnome 3.14 doesn't have a dpi setting in gnome-tweak-tool
[15:40] <MrSavage> am i gonna have to reinstall gnome...
[15:40] <mgedmin> no
[15:40] <mgedmin> you can reset ALL THE SETTINGS if you don't mind losing them
[15:41] <mgedmin> gsettings reset-recursively
[15:41] <MrSavage> sure
[15:41] <mgedmin> hmm, it needs a schema name :/
[15:41] <mgedmin> try org.gnome.desktop.interface
[15:41] <MrSavage> :S
[15:41] <mgedmin> org.gnome.desktop.interface text-scaling-factor is the thing for zooming text in gnome 3.14 (maybe older versions too?)
[15:42] <MrSavage> didn't fix it
[15:43] <mgedmin> :(
[15:43] <mgedmin> I wish I knew what setting you changed
[15:43] <mgedmin> can you tell me what app you used?
[15:43] <MrSavage> tweak
[15:43] <MrSavage> i think desktop
[15:43] <MrSavage> or windows
[15:43] <MrSavage> at the bottom dpi
[15:43] <MrSavage> set that stupid thing to 50
[15:44] <MrSavage> can't even click in firefox
[15:44] <MrSavage> due to this buggy ass option
[15:44] <MrSavage> this is ridiculous
[15:45] <mgedmin> I'm mystified by your inability to move windows
[15:45] <MrSavage> and why wouldn't gsettings have a default all options
[15:45] <MrSavage> mgedmin: i'm able to move the terminal
[15:45] <MrSavage> but the gsettings likes to move back
[15:45] <MrSavage> i mean the tweak tool
[15:45] <MrSavage> i'm able to move hexchat too
[15:45] <MrSavage> but tweak tool is stubborn in staying after moving
[15:47] <mgedmin> aha! the scaling factor overrides need an xsetting
[15:47] <mgedmin> which is a thing I don't understand
[15:47] <mgedmin> but it lives in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings
[15:47] <mgedmin> so try gsettings reset org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides ?
[15:48] <MrSavage> ah it's fixed
[15:48] <MrSavage> thank god
[15:48] <MrSavage> i'll upload images of the bug
[15:48] <mgedmin> whee
[15:48] <mgedmin> yes please
[15:49] <MrSavage> it also made my clicking messed up
[15:49] <MrSavage> it wouldn't click where i'm actually pointing
[15:50] <mgedmin> ouch
[15:50] <MrSavage> http://imgur.com/a/7DlaO
[15:50] <mgedmin> can you screenshot the tweak-tool setting page with the dpi setting?
[15:50] <MrSavage> yeah
[15:51] <MrSavage> http://i.imgur.com/73Gm8MR.png
[15:51] <MrSavage> @ mgedmin
[15:51] <meetingology> MrSavage: Error: "mgedmin" is not a valid command.
[15:52] <mgedmin> ah, the HiDPI setting
[15:52] <mgedmin> and you set it to 0.5, not 50 :)
[15:52] <mgedmin> wait or did you actually set it to 50?  I don't think that would be allowed
[15:52] <MrSavage> I don't even want to touch it because of that lol
[15:52] <MrSavage> yes i set it to 50
[15:52] <MrSavage> and it messed up my desktop so badly
[15:52] <mgedmin> yeah, making all the windows 50 times bigger would be unpleasant
[15:52] <MrSavage> .5 doesn't work
[15:52] <mgedmin> I want to try!
[15:52] <MrSavage> lol
[15:53] <MrSavage> you
[15:53] <MrSavage> will
[15:53] <MrSavage> regret it
[15:53] <mgedmin> ok, typing in "50" changes it to "2" actually
[15:53] <mgedmin> and I can move gnome-tweak-tool to above the screen
[15:54] <MrSavage> 2 also makes it messed up
[15:54] <MrSavage> just tested it
[15:54] <mgedmin> well, as long as I don't let my mouse cursor touch the top, since that would make the window maximized
[15:54] <MrSavage> Yeah i tried moving it by 1 mm each time
[15:54] <MrSavage> but it would move back if i moved it up too much
[15:54] <mgedmin> what gnome-shell version do you have?
[15:54] <MrSavage> that setting is so buggy
[15:54] <MrSavage> it only lets me choose 1 or 2, and it makes the same buggy desktop
[15:55] <MrSavage> how do i check my version of gnome-shell?
[15:55] <mgedmin> this is for window scaling for people who have high resolution monitors (e.g. 4K)
[15:55] <mgedmin> you don't want it
[15:55] <mgedmin> you maybe want the font scaling, which can also be set to 1.5
[15:55] <mgedmin> in a terminal gnome-shell --version will print it
[15:56] <MrSavage> http://i.imgur.com/73Gm8MR.png
[15:56] <MrSavage> woops
[15:56] <MrSavage> GNOME Shell 3.12.2
[15:56] <mgedmin> 'k
[15:56] <MrSavage> i installed ubuntu-gnome 4.10
[15:56] <mgedmin> 14.10, yes, it comes with 3.12
[15:57] <mgedmin> but some people also enable the PPA with gnome 3.14
[15:57] <mgedmin> so it's not safe to assume everyone running ubuntu-gnome 14.10 has gnome 3.12
[16:13] <MrSavage> mgedmin: I also noticed there's a problem fullscreening liveleak videos
[16:14] <MrSavage> nevermind..
[16:14] <MrSavage> It's not happening now
[16:14] <MrSavage> are there problems with fullscreen applications though? Such as games?
[16:14] <mgedmin> dunno, haven't played any in a while
[16:15] <mgedmin> I can <f11> fullscreen a browser fine
[16:15] <MrSavage> mgedmin: I mean openGL
[16:15] <mgedmin> 3d drivers are always a pain :(
[16:17] <MrSavage> the drivers aren't the issue
[16:45] <MrSavage> i mean
[16:45] <MrSavage> My drivers shouldn't be an issue
[16:58] <octoquad> MAE all :)
[17:27] <octoquad> Can some one tell me what "ricotz" is as mentioned here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1386815
[18:37] <MrSavage> How can I make it so the the favourites dock gives the option to close the program there?
[19:07] <MrSavage> I'm getting a weird issues when using vim in terminal
[19:07] <MrSavage> the commands are very delayed
[19:19] <MrSavage> Why is there delay when using Esc?
[20:34] <darkxst> octoquad, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz
[20:41] <octoquad> aah lol
[20:54] <darkxst> Noskcaj, gtk should land on friday, can you start preparing re-merges (and put in a ppa) clutter/mutter/gnome-shell/g-s-d/g-c-c/gnome-themes-standard?
[20:55] <darkxst> gtk is here: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-008
[20:58] <MrSavage> how can I get shell themes?
[20:59] <darkxst> MrSavage, you will find plenty on google
[20:59] <darkxst> theres quiet a few on deviantart
[21:03] <octoquad> MrSavage, I currently use Moka: http://mokaproject.com/
[21:09] <MrsSavage> octoquad: is moka supposed to make the title bar darker?
[21:29] <Noskcaj> darkxst, ok
[21:36] <MrSavage> hey all
[21:36] <octoquad> hello :)
[21:37] <MrSavage> so i'm fixing up my themes
[21:37] <MrSavage> why don't i see window themes on gnome eye candy?
[21:39] <MrSavage> on gnome-look.org
[22:07] <Noskcaj> darkxst, should gnome-themes-standard recommend gnome-icon-theme, adwaita-icon-icon, or gnome-icon-theme | adwaita-icon-icon
[22:10] <octoquad> darkxst, for input sources, is it normal for new input sources to be missing from the login screen, but available again after login?
[22:44] <octoquad> one more question am I suppose to be testing vivid + main ppa + staging ppa or will updates for gnome trickle in to vivid at some point?
[23:27] <amjjawad> darkxst, good morning :) I wonder if you're around? I still can't see the images on here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds
[23:27] <amjjawad> should we wait? or should we contact the release team darkxst ?
[23:58] <darkxst> amjjawad, contact release team
[23:59] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I think gnome-icon-theme | adwaita-icon-theme, would be ok
[23:59] <darkxst> we are going to have to pull in adwaita-icon-theme somehow, without affecting ubuntu since they are not using it yet