[04:07] <daftykins>  YWH_1 reported as CTCP versioning users on join, #ubuntu
[04:07] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: just shared it :)
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> kk tnx
[04:08] <teward> has anyone taken a look at the CTCP-on-join issue in #ubuntu (from YWH_1 being the supposed source)
[04:09] <daftykins> just reported it
[04:09] <daftykins> ops tend to be dead at this time, sadly
[04:09] <teward> unfortunately.
[04:09] <daftykins> though they really need to fix that...
[04:09] <chu> phunyguy's around atm
[04:09] <chu> Sorry, I don't have ops in #ubuntu
[04:10]  * teward throws /dev/urandom at phunyguy
[04:11]  * phunyguy looks up
[04:11] <phunyguy> what am I looking at?
[04:11] <chu> Apparently the user YMH_1 is being a bit of pain, I gather.
[04:12] <phunyguy> daftykins: does it appear to be scripted?
[04:12] <teward> phunyguy: YMH_1 CTCPing on join of all users
[04:12] <teward> confirmed on two test accounts/connectoins
[04:12] <phunyguy> k
[04:12] <teward> affected channel is #ubuntu
[04:13] <teward> possibly others
[04:13] <phunyguy> hmmm... I wish I knew more about CTCP, but that user isn't in the channel
[04:13] <teward> they were
[04:13] <teward> looks like they may have left
[04:14] <teward> i know that if you are seeking vulnerable irc clients for, say, dcc exploits, CTCP VERSION is one way to go about it
[04:14] <teward> might keep an eye on it going forward, though.
[04:14] <phunyguy> yeah
[04:15] <teward> phunyguy: it gets tricky if they have two connections - one to see JOINs, one offchannel to CTCP
[04:15] <phunyguy> that could be it too
[04:15] <teward> if i see it again on my radar I'll do some digging and let you know at least a hostmask to snipe.
[04:15] <teward> thanks.
[04:15] <teward> (we see this tactic in #bitcoin and #bitcoin-otc all the time by scammers who are trying to impersonate actual good-reputation traders, so it's not an uncommon tactic to see, unfortunately)
[04:15] <teward> (just sayin)
[04:16] <chu> Nice guy ^
[04:17] <phunyguy> found it
[04:17] <phunyguy> typo in the name above ;)
[04:18] <daftykins> yay for timely resolution
[04:18] <phunyguy> you're welcome.....
[04:46] <rww> Flannel: fyi that's cholby
[04:46] <Flannel> aha
[04:46] <Flannel> So, do we ban or remove or whats the protocol?
[04:47] <rww> i'd probably ban, since it's not a throwaway account
[04:48] <Flannel> and we're sure it's him?
[04:48] <rww> yes.
[08:01] <bazhang> clang replaced gcc?
[08:02] <rww> no, that's the development tool arquebus uses for gcc :P
[08:02] <rww> erm, for C+
[08:03] <rww> which I guess is C++
[08:03] <bazhang> so arguebus is just being a wiseacre
[08:04] <rww> nope. that's the downside of questions phrased the way sonny_ phrased theirs
[11:20] <bazhang> like pulling teeth sometimes
[13:09] <phunyguy> lol @ wiseacre... haven't heard that in YEARS.
[14:51] <bazhang> heh
[14:52] <bazhang> wisecracker seemed too gentle
[14:57] <bazhang> arguing wiht seveas about sudo: priceless
[15:08] <bazhang> ubottu lag
[15:21] <phunyguy> Obvious troll is obvious.
[17:50] <rww> dodohacker (~smecin-0x@36.68.47.192) => latest skraito sighting, keep an eye out for nonsense about "new" OSes that are actually Fedora respins
[17:54] <k1l_> wall-dora? :)
[17:55] <rww> erm, not respins. he literally just renames the ISO file
[17:56] <hggdh> all: IRC team meeting in  4 minutes
[18:03] <ArchZombie> Who is in charge here?
[18:04] <rww> the Ubuntu Core Ops team. How can we help you?
[18:04] <ArchZombie> I am here to complain about abuse from one of your operators.
[18:04] <ArchZombie> k1l_ to be specific.
[18:05] <ArchZombie> Who should I talk to?
[18:05] <rww> Us here is fine. I'm taking a look at the log of your +q in #ubuntu now, one sec
[18:05] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: you can just explain the case here
[18:05] <rww> that works too ^
[18:07] <ArchZombie> Long story short. I had a problem, I asked a question, someone posted a "do this instead of what you're trying to do" answer multiple times, I eventually said after re-explaining my problem several times that they were a troll or noob. Then I got muted. Afterwards I had a long query with your operator, and came to the conclusion they are supportive of this.
[18:08] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: naming people "troll" or "noob" isn't what we expect in our channels
[18:08] <ArchZombie> "this" being the attitude of the original person whom was not actually answering my question.
 its your ignorance that is just hillarious
[18:08] <ArchZombie> is not what I expect from your operators
[18:08] <ArchZombie> Furthermore, this is the plain truth of the situation. I asked him not to respond, and that was fair.
[18:09] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: allright, is your complain about the mute or what k1l discussed with you in private?
[18:10] <ArchZombie> Both the mute and query.
[18:10] <Tm_T> hmm, what you stated I see no issue you being muted though, you haven't given anything that would lean me to favour removing it
[18:10] <ArchZombie> I am complaining about the mute because the only justification for mute given in query was essentially that I was ignorant.
[18:11] <Tm_T> if you were calling people with names I would expect you to be muted
[18:11] <ArchZombie> Nonetheless, this was the reason given
[18:11] <rww> if the query conversation is problematic, it might be beneficial if you provided a log of the query conversation
 Excuse me?
[18:11] <ArchZombie> * [k1l_] is away (not here ...)
 its enough of your "i am using unity but i hate unity"
 people tried to help you but your attitude and your responses show you dont want support you just want to stirr up the channel.
[18:12] <rww> (i.e. the whole of it, if that wasn't it)
[18:12] <ArchZombie> http://pastebin.com/1PZ8dtM4
[18:12] <ArchZombie> that wasn't all of it no
[18:13] <ArchZombie> The link above includes everything though
[18:14] <rww> (and as a side note that I recognize is not relevant to the current issue, I think http://www.howtogeek.com/187999/how-to-enable-local-menus-in-ubuntu-14.04/ solves your question?)
[18:14] <ArchZombie> except the last 3 messages anyway
[18:15] <ArchZombie> That's great, except it doesn't do what I'm looking for. I have disabled unity plugin and enabled the compiz gtk-window-decorator plugin instead
[18:15] <rww> ah, sorry, i misread then. ignore that
[18:15] <ArchZombie> Everything works except the menu bar (file, copy/paste, about) is missing.
[18:18] <ArchZombie> I must offer a correction, it might actually be more lines missing.
[18:18] <ArchZombie> Hexchat doesn't seem to be supporting copy and paste correctly...
[18:20] <ArchZombie> http://pastebin.com/xT0zfksE this one is definitely correct
[18:24] <ArchZombie> I take it the logs have been examined here?
[18:25] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: sorry we're middle of a team meeting right now, might take some time to respond here
[18:25] <ArchZombie> Alright, I will stay in this channel for a while.
[18:25] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: thanks
[18:44] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: hello
[18:49] <ArchZombie> Tm_T, hello.
[18:50] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: if you can refrain from namecalling and try not get heated even when you don't get the answer you want then I believe the mute can be removed
[18:54] <ArchZombie> Okay.
[19:02] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: okay as in you agree?
[19:04] <ArchZombie> Yes. To that point.
[19:05] <ArchZombie> And what about the other issue?
[19:06] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: I'll talk with k1l_ about this all if that's ok with you
[19:12] <ArchZombie> Go ahead.
[19:26] <Tm_T> ArchZombie: I removed the mute, anything else we can help you with here?
[19:27] <rww> i think he was expecting the talk to happen in public (which I'd guess it won't)
[19:30] <Tm_T> it won't, sorry
[19:30] <Tm_T> anyway, I need to go do other stuff ->
[19:50] <ArchZombie> I'm still a bit concerned why people are allowed to moderate the chat who don't even hold themselves to the same standard as they hold others to.
[20:07] <IdleOne> I am curious to know which standard exactly you are referring to?
[20:07] <IdleOne> mind you I haven't yet looked at your copy of the query log
[20:08] <ArchZombie> IdleOne, a standard of "decency". Since it's not okay for me to say someone is a noob, even if they deserved it *grumbles*, but regardless, how they acted in a ruder way in query.
[20:09] <IdleOne> I am reading through the log now.
[20:11] <ArchZombie> I would not be complaining if they just said I should not call someone a noob, but that was not the response I got (originally.)
[20:12] <ArchZombie> It feels to me, that I was being muted primarily because I disliked some aspects of unity.
[20:13] <ArchZombie> Or because I simply did not agree with doing it the way they thought that I should.
[20:16] <IdleOne> I agree that k1l_ could have been a little more diplomatic, I tend to want to chalk that up to language barrier. English is not his first language. I think it would be best if you did the same and accepted that sometimes people misinterpret intent. I know that k1l_ always comes from a good place when he is trying to explain something.
[20:17] <IdleOne> as for your mute I believe you agreed to follow the ubuntu !guidelines and that it has already been removed. I suggest that when/if you return to #ubuntu you clearly explain exactly what it is you are trying to accomplish so there is no misunderstandings that could lead to future mutes
[20:18] <IdleOne> Also, I am going on the assumption that the log you pasted is complete and accurate.
[20:19] <IdleOne> if not...
[20:19] <ArchZombie> That is the complete log of the query, but does not include the messages in the channel.
[20:20] <IdleOne> right
[20:20] <ArchZombie> I was having some copy any paste issues with hexchat, where it stopped copying at the red bar for some reason
[20:20] <IdleOne> anyway, Tm_T said he would discuss this incident with k1l and you can trust that he will.
[20:27] <ArchZombie> I am not confident that this will solve anything, as it seems like a symptom of a larger problem.
[20:28] <IdleOne> ArchZombie: so the mute has been removed afaict. There will not be any public floggings of ops in this channel if that is what you are waiting for. Please feel free to ask for support in #ubuntu. have a nice day.
[20:29] <ArchZombie> Do I not even receive an apology from this operator?
[20:29] <IdleOne> no.
[20:29] <IdleOne> not at this time at least
[20:30] <IdleOne> Mistakes happen, like when you called a helper in #ubuntu a noob
[20:30] <IdleOne> We are not asking or forcing you to issue an apology for that.
[20:31] <rww> I note that k1l_ is not at his computer right now anyway.
[20:31] <IdleOne> that too
[20:35] <ArchZombie> Mostly I would like to see that it is made clear that it is not the job of operators to decide how to run the computers of the persons asking for support.
[20:35] <ArchZombie> I'm still not sure if the only thing that is disapproved of is that they were rude.
[20:36] <IdleOne> What I understood was that there was confusion about what exactly it was you are trying to accomplish.
[20:37] <IdleOne> Again, I don't think the intent was to be rude but more of a language barrier.
[20:38] <IdleOne> People who speak English as a second language often don't think in English. So what they are typing in English is often a direct word for word translation of the mother tongue
[20:38] <IdleOne> In his mother tongue it may not sound rude what he said.
[20:38] <IdleOne> just came out sounding that way to you.
[20:39] <ArchZombie> I understand this, but it's not the rudeness that is most bothering to me.
[20:39] <IdleOne> Right, and as I said I think there was confusion about what you want to get done.
[20:39] <IdleOne> This is why I suggested you clearly explain what it is you are seeing and what it is you expect to be seeing
[20:40] <IdleOne> screenshots of what you see help
[20:40] <ArchZombie> Yes, there might have been. But I don't think I was unclear at all that I wanted help with the components themselves.
[20:40] <IdleOne> #ubuntu is filled with people from dozen if not hundreds of countries
[20:41] <IdleOne> ArchZombie: usually best to give too much detail when seeking support
[20:41] <ArchZombie> And I believe, what was most bothering, was that if they did not understand what I was trying to do, they should not have muted me.
[20:41] <ArchZombie> At least not because I didn't make sense.
[20:41] <IdleOne> another check in the confusion box
[20:41] <IdleOne> See what I am trying to get to?
[20:42] <IdleOne> It was all a big OOPS. There are plenty worse things in life to get riled up about :)
[20:45] <ArchZombie> What I am trying to say, is that no one has said that it is not ok to mute people because they are trying to do something which is difficult or even not possible.
[20:47] <hggdh> ArchZombie: it is not OK to mute people because the are trying to something which is difficult or even not possible. On the other hand, it is also not OK to act like you did.
[20:48] <ArchZombie> Okay. I understand this. I am assured that the operators here are not bonkers then. Thank you very much.
[21:05] <phunyguy> well we may be a little bonkers.  ;)